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Calling all XDa IIi owners...OPINIONS PLEASE

I had my XDA II stolen at gatwick airport last week (sniff sniff) and am now looking to replace it.
From the complete range of HTC PDA's the XDA IIi seems to be tickling my fancy the most but I haven't really come across a single comprehensive review.
So are people who have purchased it happy?
Whilst I am aware that there are problems with the camera I can live with it as long as it is not worse than the XDA II .
So what say you O Ye owners of the IIi?
Cheers!

I got mine last week and I'm honestly torn...
The camera is CR*P, completely so! But as I never used the one on the XDA2 for more than the odd picture message and photo record I'm not particularly bothered - though it's a cheek for O2 to pronounce it as a major step forward when in many ways it's a regressive one.
My major headache is the IR and Bluetooth...IR seems even worse now than on the XDA2 - unless I'm missing something - and the BT stack currently on my phone means I cannot use the O2 BT clip headset (made by iTech) due to this (in my opinion) stupid handsfree obsession. Surely it would be a good idea to have a headset AND a handsfree option that WORKS. I understand on some headsets it works a treat, but given I've got one being sold by O2 on their website I would normally assume it would work.
That said, the 2i is a great phone in itself and if I weren't already spoilt having had the XDA and XDA2 before it, I would be in absolute amazment.
They've finally managed to get the o2activeui thing in a state which isn't too bad and I may even consider keeping it - though it's harder to remove than in the past.
If you have to upgrade which it sounds as though you do given your circumstances, I'd choose the 2i over the 2s...at least the 2i is a better phone spec wise though without the keyboard (gimmick if you ask me).
Hope this helps (helped me to have the rant, anyway).
Cheers
Anthony

Thanks for the feedback Anthony. One thing that's slightly irritating me is a few places i've visited on the net state how previews often have some of the specs wrong on the O2 site it states that the IIi has 128MB SDRam and 128MB Flash......is this accurate?
Have you tried out the Wifi and if so what d'you reckon?
Does the faster processor make a noticeable difference? e.g on my XDA II I was running loads of today plug ins as well as several applications by default I'd do a soft re-set at least once a day
As for the IIs even though when I compare the II and the IIs side by side it doen't appear that much bigger it still has a bulky-ish look about it and I just don't find it appealing enough to contemplate a purchase.
Your feedback on the above would be appreciated
Cheers

This is on the box...
96MB ROM
128MB SDRAM
I have tried out the Wi-Fi and it seems OK to me, certainly it's a welcome feature. However I don't have a Wi-Fi card that I can compare experiences on...all I know is I didn't have one before and now I have a wi-fi connection. That can't be bad.
I don't have enough stuff loaded onto the phone to make a judgment on the processor. With the 2 I had lots of things running such as WeatherPanel and KitaraGenesis - also at one point Pocket Plus. From what I've seen so far the 2i does feel a bit faster...there's also a Turbo feature which does seem to further increase performance.
The 2i is exactly the same size I think, perhaps a smidge heavier. Having said that, if you compare most mobiles these days, the XDA series is no longer heavier than the majority. Besides, if you've got a PDA phone you're not expecting it to be light as a feather.
As I said previously, now you've got no option I would definitely go to the 2i...
Cheers
A

As to theWiFii hadaXDA2 witha SandiskWiFi Card, then changed to the XDA2s, then after 4 replacements i now have a XDA2i, ifind the XDA2i range and speed of reconnecting to WiFi very very good, the XDA2s worked as well asthe XDA2 + SD WiFi Card.
I like the 2ivery much, only problem is i gave away all my XDA2 bits when i got the 2s, so now i have lots of bits for a phone i dont have and a 2i with no spair bits, got i wish i haddent got rid of my old XDA2 bits
i still soft rest a few times aday, but i am used to donigthis now and dont have a problem doing it, The Bluetooth for headsets (jabbra 250) works as well on the 2i as it did on the old XDA2, where as the 2s was total crap
John

4 replacements???!!! care to elaborate?
Applecom, how do you find the camera?
Has the bluetooth improved at all? With my XDA II I also has a Jabra BT250 whilst I found it excellent at close range as soon as the device was in (or out) the metal proporta case and in my pocket I got alot of static...also can you now hear the different ringtones in your bluetooth headset or is it still the same generic one?
Finally, if I get the phone from O2 with their minimum line rental fee it works out to about 407 quid in total....anyone know of any cheaper places?
Thanks for the feedback once again guys.

After hearing about the new XDA2s i purchased a sim free PDA2k, but the microphone on it was crap and the bluetooth (headset) range was like 6 inches after that it sounded terrible.
So as soon as we could get a UK XDA2s we did ( we are a small phone shop) i got it sim free, This was just as crap as the PDA2k, Sothen i did a upgrade to a XDA2s with o2 Select, and of corse this was crap as well
(by crap i mean the mic was terrible people had problems hearing me, and the bluetooth headset only worked if you held the phone next to it, as a PDA it was sort of alright)
so after speaking to o2 about its problems and the fact the keybopard soon comes loose, it was changed probley every 2-3 weeks, never any better for phopne calls but of corse a new one the keyboard is still tight (for a while)
anyway after the 6th phone (4th o2 replacement) i changed it to a XDA2i
The camera in the XDA2i just gives a bigger crap picture, but at leat i can make phone calls on this one and people can hear me, and i dont have to drive down the road with my bluetooth ear piece in and have to hold the phone to the ear piece to use it
John

dear oh dear.....thats the strongest case i've EVER heard for NOT buying a phone... :shock:
Not to get on your nelly but can you now hear the different ringtones in your bluetooth headset or is it still the same generic one?
Cheers
Leroy

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my jabra 250 just makes the ring sound, just like on the old XDA2, no personalised ring tones, despite using IA Caller 1.2

Thank you all for the info
Does the movie function work better?
I know the camera makes a bigger "crap" photo but how is the video? On my XDAII, with all the today plug in's, the thing records crap even at the best settings. With a fresh ROM and nothing installed, I can get a decent video if I set the refresh rate and set it to daylight, (even for night shots), but after I install some programs, no settings can keep it from being choppy and slow or keep the sound in sync with the video.
Believe it or not, the video function, as bad as it is, actually saved my ass from going to jail.. If the XDA2i has better video performance, and it sounds like the BT is better, I want one... Is there any place besides eBay and O2?
Could someone tell us what version of the BT stack it is?
Any body try it with two serial ports yet? (One for a GPS and one for a Printer or POS device (like from Merchantanywhere.com).
Thank you for your time.

the bt stack on my xda2i is 1.0.0.3900

Mine is also 1.0.3900 and I can't use o2's bt clip headset with it....refuses to play ball yet others work fine.
Grrrrr
Need an update to sort this out.

By clip do you mean the earpiece, with a foot of wire then a clip on bluetooth reciever? If you do O2 sent one of them out to me but as i use a jabra 250 i never tried the clip thing.
Would you like me to try it with my XDA2i (also version 3900)
John

Have you made a decision on a purchase yet?
I have both an XDAII and an XDAIIi and would be willing to give some comparitive information regarding them. Or try to answer any specific questions you have about them.
On another note, what alternatives do we have here with regard to a Windows Mobile device?

Help possible exec bluetooth static issues!

Please help, i am runng out of my 14 day return period with o2 (Monday) i am experiencing static with my new jabra bt250 headset. Is this a rom problem as with the orange m2000 or do you think it could be the headset. i was led to believe that all of the static problems with new htc devices were fixed. i need to know as if i have a faulty exec i need to get it replaced quick. many thanks david

I have the same problem with a Bluespoon AX.
If the two are on different sides of my body, static is unbearable.

atekant said:
I have the same problem with a Bluespoon AX.
If the two are on different sides of my body, static is unbearable.
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:shock: I have bought an AX, I've never made a call on my MDA Pro to date, and my mobile number is being transferred onto t-mob (and my MDA Pro) this Monday.
Can you explain a bit more so I can not look a complete tit at work please?

I've also tried with the Bluespoon AX and couldn't use it. I sold it to a friend who has a Motorola V3 because it worked fine with his phone.
I bought an (expensive) Plantronics Discovery 640 replacement and it's a little better, but still not great. Also concerned that the problem lies with the XDA Exec and wondering whether to take it back before my 14 days are over...

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I know this sound very stupid but please try it!
Turn your universal onto it's other end! I have found that when it is in my pocket I place it with the stylus to the top..I get static using my Blue G2. When I turn the universal on it's other end, I don't get static.. Weird huh?
Also, I find that putting it in my back trouser pocket gives me more statid than in my chest pocket...
Has anybody else founf this??
P

It seems to be an issue with the exec, reading around lots have encountered this problem. I'm sure they'll sort it out in the first official rom upgrade

I'm sure you're right. I just hope it's not a problem with the hardware. Anyway, I've tried my 3rd headset now - it's the Bluetrek G2 (only supports bluetooth 1.1) and it's the best by some margin. Nice, because it's a lot cheaper than the other two.
Could it be a problem with bluetooth 1.2?

it might be the positioning of the BT receiver in the exec, dont forget BT is 10M in open air not encased in an exec between a metal battery and a metal backed display screen (see image of taken apart exec in other thread )and through your body too

I was using PDA2K before using the Jasjar, and I can say that the BT performance is far better than the PDA2K but this does not mean that it's perfectd.... it really needs to be improved.
I have also to say that not all types of BT headsets work fine with Universal, I knew from some of my friends using the same device that Motorola family is not working fine with universal.
I used to have a sony ericson BT headset when I was using the PDA2K and used it with my Jasjar for two days also, but I suffered from the short battery life of the sony erricson BT headset so I changed it with Jabra BT 800 and it works far better than sony erricson and I can say it's very reliable with the device.
What I want to say here is that the reception quality via BT headsets varry according to the type of the BT headset.
Moreover, the performance of the BT in universal needs to be improved and they have to consider this issue in their new ROM upgrade.
Regards,

Jabra BT800 - yes or no?

Hi!
I was about to buy another bluetooth headset and am seriously considering the jabra bt800.
I had a Jabra bt250v....which recently took a spin in my washing machine, now rendered worthless
The problems with my 250v were -
1. Lots of static noise (phone in my pocket)
2. Bad range
3. Most times, the voice dial wouldnt pick up, when i hit the button on the jabra (this i think is a ms ppc os problem though)
Having said that, i think the bt800 would be better due to their new DSP technology, and of course the btooth 1.2 specifications. A few questions i have though -
1. How is the audio quality when you keep your device in a tight jeans pant for instance?
2. Whats the range of the device?
3. Does the caller id display the name in my address book?
4. How's the battery life?
And the last question, is it worth buying it....and will i regret it???!
Thanks!
San

With the Universal:
- okay sound quality
- no caller name just number on the display
- good battery life as long as you run down before first full charge
- range is good but is limited by the Universal not the BT800
Yes it is worth buying but be aware that on the ear it may not feel as secure as the BT250

jah said:
With the Universal:
- okay sound quality
- no caller name just number on the display
- good battery life as long as you run down before first full charge
- range is good but is limited by the Universal not the BT800
Yes it is worth buying but be aware that on the ear it may not feel as secure as the BT250
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I heard some of the devices, when paired with, reveal the contact name in the address book too....i saw it on a couple reviews. Strange that the universal cant do something like that...
Have you tried with the latest Jasjar ROM? (with aku2?)
Thanks for your feedback Jah...
cheers,
S

@dreamtheatre, I have not tried the latest Universal ROM as I am waiting for O2 to release their version. But I do have the latest BT800 firmware for Europe. For transfer of the Contacts details you need the handfree BT profile (or is the heaset profile?) - not sure if the latest ROM supports both BT profiles though.

I have not got that working
More to the point, I can not find any settings on my universal or BT800 for remote sim or remote contact access which is needed to access the address book.
I would love to leave my universal in my bag and make a call from the headset accessing my address book.
I see no menu in the BT800 to allow this.
Hope I am wrong and someone can tell em how to do it!
I have latest t-mobile a2dp rom and latest jabra rom

@GDawes, I don't think the BT800 allows remote access, it allows previously used numbers (people who call you) to be called from the headset. I think the Tekkeon ET3000 gives you the function to access the address book, but not with the Universal as fas I know.

Re: I have not got that working
GDawes said:
More to the point, I can not find any settings on my universal or BT800 for remote sim or remote contact access which is needed to access the address book.
I would love to leave my universal in my bag and make a call from the headset accessing my address book.
I see no menu in the BT800 to allow this.
Hope I am wrong and someone can tell em how to do it!
I have latest t-mobile a2dp rom and latest jabra rom
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I guess my question wasn't lucid enough....
what I meant to ask was...if the display on the headset shows the caller's name which is taken from the address book on the device.
Does it?? please tell me it does!
thanks,
San

BT800
The BT800 does not show the name even with the latest ROM. It only shows the number of the person that is calling you.

@dreamtheatre,
there are two functions:
1. When you get a call, the name of the caller is extracted from the address book
2. You can scan through your full address book from your headset to make a call
Now, for #1 I know you need both handfree and headset BT profiles, for #2 I have only seen the Tekkeon and I think some SE headsets that claim they can do this. But I think you need both BT profiles. I do not think this is the case for the Universal. I hope someone with the latest ROM can verify the BT profiles that are supported.
(my free Moto v3x supports both BT profiles and yes with my Tekkeon I can see who is calling me - but the HTC Universal may be behind the curve a bit)

jah said:
@dreamtheatre,
there are two functions:
1. When you get a call, the name of the caller is extracted from the address book
2. You can scan through your full address book from your headset to make a call
Now, for #1 I know you need both handfree and headset BT profiles, for #2 I have only seen the Tekkeon and I think some SE headsets that claim they can do this. But I think you need both BT profiles. I do not think this is the case for the Universal. I hope someone with the latest ROM can verify the BT profiles that are supported.
(my free Moto v3x supports both BT profiles and yes with my Tekkeon I can see who is calling me - but the HTC Universal may be behind the curve a bit)
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thanks for the detailed reply m8!
Its a pity that this 200kg monster cant send out a friggin name :twisted: arghhh!
again, somethings dont change.....we got to wait for our sweet monopolistic company to release a rom upgrade....we know how long that can be! (well, i actually love MS )
cheers,
S

well, you guys still didnt answer my question........
do i buy it or not??????!!!
best,
San

@dreamtheatre, after a bit of reflection I suggest you buy a modern SE BT headset with caller ID as the DSP capability (for reducing background noise etc) of the newer SE headset will better than the 2 year old design of the BT800. Also I have found the newer SE headsets to be more comfortable and lighter.

Another annoying point of bt800
The BT800 only pairs to a single device at a time.
My moto ht820 support multiple connections which is nice, I have my universal as my phone paired, and my magician with a2dp paired as an mp3 player. When I get a call it is routed throught headset and music is paused.
Wanted to connect my BT800 to laptop for Voip and mobile phone, but forced to choose 1 the other.
Also the design is not that re assuring , have the feeling it could fall off at any moment

I have the V3 BTH-8 and Im quite happy with it. i think it's cheaper, lighter, faster, better than Jabra bt800...but Im not ecstatic since it has the same problem as BT800. It just shows the number not the name. It says it's able to show the name and even browse the phone book of other models.. but not our beloved universal. I hope someone comes out with an upgrade for our phone so that i can maximize my V3 headset..

cuteangelika said:
I have the V3 BTH-8 and Im quite happy with it. i think it's cheaper, lighter, faster, better than Jabra bt800...but Im not ecstatic since it has the same problem as BT800. It just shows the number not the name. It says it's able to show the name and even browse the phone book of other models.. but not our beloved universal. I hope someone comes out with an upgrade for our phone so that i can maximize my V3 headset..
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After i saw your earlier post where you mentioned about your oled headset, thats ever since i've been thrown into a dilemma (i never knew the v3 headset existed!). Now i'm finding it hard to make a choice...
According to the feature sheet, the oled claims more (15 number history compared to 10 - i know i'm being a little anal here , and address book browsing etc.)
The problem though, I dont seem to find a distributor here in this god forsaken place :evil:
I'm trying to get it from a friend of mine who's currently in singapore....if he manages to find it, i might just end up with one of those....lets see
btw, ca....you have no major issues with it, do you? Stuff like static noise, or interference problems, or whatever may be! ??
cheers,
S

I have both the Jabra BT800 and the Tekkeon 3000. Both are good units but the Jabra has better sound quality when used with my Exec. I have also used both units with a XDA Mini S for about 2 weeks and came to the same conclusion. With the Mini S, I was able to pull the phone book but it was a pain. It allows you to scroll from a to z one name at a time, one number per name at a time. This means that if you have say 50 names with 2 numbers each (mobile number and home number) then you would have to press the button 20 times just to get to the 10 person in my phonebook and the second number for that person. When I first read about this feature I was exicited but in application it is a pain so this is not a feature I will be using. Other than that the features are pretty close and with the Tekeon coming out alittle ahead with last 15 number recall versa the last 10 of the Jabra.
The Jabra (with it's out dated looks) has become my choice for 2 reasons, sound quality (as mentioned above) and upgradability. The Jabra can be firmware upgraded by the user as Jabra releases new code so it may be possible to have new features in the future.
Just my humble opinion

Batman - agree about the scrolling problem with the Tekkeon but its battery life, for me at least, has been much better than wih the BT800. The funny thing is that my 3 year old SE HBH-200 can do basically what the BT800 is designed to do (i.e. caller ID and making calls from the headset).

WOULDNT BUY IT AT ALL.
I have installed latest ROM, and use BT800. No caller ID. But this could be sortly solved with latest firmware.
Dont like sound quality. To be more precise, almost nobody understands me while using it. If I am in the street, forget about having a conversation. Metallical sound, etc.
Despite some things I have read before, not that good battery life I'd say.
In the end, I dont like it, but check out more opinions. Mine is a little bit "oriented" as I am so with it.

@jmcl, as I said before the digital signal processing technology of the BT800 is now 2 years old. The latest SE phones are better for noise reduction or you can use the HBH-300 with a very good boom mic.

@jah
what nextgen headsets from SE are you talking about? I dont find any headsets from SE with a display on it (except for one, which is totally lame )
is there something i'm missing?
thanks for all your views guys,
San

Wizard to Universal, opinions please?

There are 2 reasons why I sold my wizard.
1. Stylus holder mechanism broke, with no actual solution given by HTC.
and mainly...
2. The sound quality was terrible. I used to get complaints during calls that they cannot hear me well, no matter how I fiddled with sound settings in the registry. I read that quite a few fellow users have this prob with the wizard.
I know some of you have both, or have experience from both.
Is Universal's sound quality better than the wizards, so I can proceed with a purchase?
Thanks

I have had both. The wizard is a better phone as its more compact and there have been less problems with the bluetooth. However the universal is a far better PDA. The sound quality on the wizard should have been ok. The sound quality on the exec is OK, but you look silly holding it to your face
rgds

colonel said:
I have had both. The wizard is a better phone as its more compact and there have been less problems with the bluetooth. However the universal is a far better PDA. The sound quality on the wizard should have been ok. The sound quality on the exec is OK, but you look silly holding it to your face
rgds
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hmmm.. yes, I never thought of that.
Nevertheless, sound quality(especially microphone) is of main importance to me, since I talk a lot....

radio rom plays a great role in sound quality, and the wizard an duniversal have good radio version, depending on your operator and your test. Some might prefer one version or one other.
You should decide on other criteria:
-speed, vga, full keboard
or
-small, one handed

thaihugo said:
radio rom plays a great role in sound quality, and the wizard an duniversal have good radio version, depending on your operator and your test. Some might prefer one version or one other.
You should decide on other criteria:
-speed, vga, full keboard
or
-small, one handed
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It's why I chose the wizard in the first place. But the damn phone's quality was a mess. I've seen Universal's quality and it's OK.
The sound is what I am worried about. Had the latest ROM.
BTW, I have this connection for over 4 years. No phone sounded that bad. Even now that I checked with my Nokia, the connection is OK and sounds loud and clear. Even with my old 6150.
rgrds

Reasons I didn't like the Wizard
(1) Small screen.
(2) A2DP didn't work.
(3) Slow speed.
(4) Mini SD more expensive than SD
(5) Audio socket 2.5mm - most earphones 3.5mm.
(6) Fiddly keyboard.
But at least it was compact?
The Universal doesn't have any of the above problems and has better battery life But it's bigger and heavier.
Basically if you really need the phone function go for the Wizard.
If you really want 3G, Internet & PDA and only use the phone occassionally go for the universal..
Cheers
John

odyseus said:
Reasons I didn't like the Wizard
(1) Small screen.
(2) A2DP didn't work.
(3) Slow speed.
(4) Mini SD more expensive than SD
(5) Audio socket 2.5mm - most earphones 3.5mm.
(6) Fiddly keyboard.
But at least it was compact?
The Universal doesn't have any of the above problems and has better battery life But it's bigger and heavier.
Basically if you really need the phone function go for the Wizard.
If you really want 3G, Internet & PDA and only use the phone occassionally go for the universal..
Cheers
John
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How's the sound in the universal? Can they hear you talking? Compared with a normal mobile phone? I don't care about size....

gepol: maybe your's Wizard was with defekt.
have here 2 friends with wizard and one with universal, tested, sound in phone is comparable.

gepol said:
thaihugo said:
It's why I chose the wizard in the first place. But the damn phone's quality was a mess. I've seen Universal's quality and it's OK.
The sound is what I am worried about. Had the latest ROM.
BTW, I have this connection for over 4 years. No phone sounded that bad. Even now that I checked with my Nokia, the connection is OK and sounds loud and clear. Even with my old 6150.
rgrds
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There is no WinMob phone on the market that sounds as clear as a standard feature phone from any of the top 4 manufacturers. The Treo 650 sounds pretty good but has an antique OS. Nokia Series 60 phones generally sound pretty good but have VERY limited PDA functionality.
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The wizard is for me more suitable than the universal. It's true, it is much more slower, but who cares. For my opinion, the wizard is the best PDA htc ever made. Small, compact and powerfull for its size.

As a hold it to your ear phone it's fine, a few members (myself included) are having problems with the bluetooth audio on it (static). I'm getting used to pulling it out of a pocket, flipping the lid and picking up the call in <2s. For me it's invaluable - the following are examples of why:
1) Moved house - waiting for a cable modem to turn up, use Bluetooth to connect to PC and can send/receive email and surf the net
2) Server in the UK toppled over - remote desktop meant i could reboot it from a ferry
3) 3G is *so* much faster than GPRS that I can't imagine having to live without it, I can browse websites and download programs
4) Full-size keyboard & decent stylus let me take notes in meetings or sermon notes @ church quickly and unobtrusively
5) 3G and Internet, plus the usual obvious features working together (Calendar, Outlook), + WiFi let me run my office from anywhere, including the park down the road.
It's big, it's not amazingly heavy (still heavy though ) and it has all the features I need - if you need them too, get one now

Universal's A2DP Quality

Hi,
maybe someone can give me some info.
Have a T-Mobile Germany MDA Pro with the newest Stock ROM supporting A2DP.
Have board a brand new Plantronics Pulsar 590A Headset. It works, but the quality of the sound is very very bad with my Universal. I have also tryed the smal A2DP Sender, that comes packed with the Plantronics device and the quality is 100 times better. What is the problem? Can I adjust the bitrate of A2DP transfer in wm 5.0 registry?
The sound is a little much deep and on mid to hig frequencies, i hear a high frequencie noise.
Does anyone else has this problem?
This is not a problem of the receiving device.
Thanks for any help on this :`)

No Ideas?
Please Help!

I have the Qtek WWE ROM on my Qtek (latest official version). I use a Jabra bt620s, and i have no problems with it.
Maybe it's some obstruction of the signal? Do you encounter the problem when the Qtek is in clear view of the headset at a meter away?

I have the Motorola HT820, and finally got round to installing the Qtek WWE ROM today. Connects fine, I can walk into another room from the Uni and have no problems; But -
I also get a high pitched noise, particularly on music with lots of treble. It can be controlled up to a point by tweaking the graphic equaliser, but it is still annoying.
When using the HT820s linked to my Bluetooth PC and laptop, they sound superb - so it is a problem with the universal.

Thanks so far, i start hating my Universal ....
I think, there can be 3 reasons for that.
The Windows Mobile A2DP Software encoder, if it is software encoded.
The Bluetooth Chip, if it is HW encoded in Bluetooth.
The Radio ROM or Chip, if it is encoded on the Radio Processor.
I am not so deep in the Universal Technologie, but i know, that the sound was very clear on Blue Angel using the broadcom stack. So I think, it is M$ Bluetooth that makes the problem, but i am not realy sure.

... or is there anyone how don't has this kind of problem?

Hi,
I personally have never had that problem (which I interperate as "some form of noise" when listening to music over A2DP) you guys mention here, neither with my Motorola HT820's or i-Tech BluePRO's.
Only problems I have had with A2DP and my Universal is;
1. Pause/Resume button not working always in Windows Media Player (works fine in latest version of PocketMusic though)
2. Not automatic reconnect of A2DP when I turn headset on (only prob with the i-Tech's, Motorola's seems to work fine)
3. Occational drop/loss of sound for a second or two (have this under control now, only an issue for me now, when there is to much obstructions between Universal and my i-Tech headset)

RonnyGydar said:
1. Pause/Resume button not working always in Windows Media Player (works fine in latest version of PocketMusic though)
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I also have this Problem. Sometimes, i have to press, the button twice, sometimes i have to hold it. But the problem apears only, on resume.
RonnyGydar said:
2. Not automatic reconnect of A2DP when I turn headset on (only prob with the i-Tech's, Motorola's seems to work fine)
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Yes, that's realy evil ... I also have that. Reconnecting of Handsfree works fine.
RonnyGydar said:
3. Occational drop/loss of sound for a second or two (have this under control now, only an issue for me now, when there is to much obstructions between Universal and my i-Tech headset)
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This is a general Universal Problem. Maybe Radio Interference, maybe missing some CPU power.
The noisy and unclean sound can be a ROM Version Problem, if you don't have that. I have tryed also with a Linux Computer as A2DP SINK Client, and the sound is same bad.
That's my ROM Version Info:
ROM-Version: 1.30.113 GER
Radio-Version: 1.10.03
Protokoll-Version: 42.44.P8
ExtROM-Version: 1.30.223 GER
Windows Version is 5.1.195 (Build 14847.2.0.0)

EyeOfTheStorm said:
I also have this Problem. Sometimes, i have to press, the button twice, sometimes i have to hold it. But the problem apears only, on resume.
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Try downloading the latest PocketMusic version (if free for 30 days I think...so you'll be in heaven for 30 days at least), there it works perfect. ...it was enough for me to "cough up" the money to buy it!
And yes it seems to be every second time, and then one has to press button on Universal/Media Player once...bloody irritating...when the Universal is in the bag or something.
EyeOfTheStorm said:
Yes, that's realy evil ... I also have that. Reconnecting of Handsfree works fine.
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Yepp, I have exactly same behaviour (handsfree no prob, while A2DP needs manual reconnect with iTech's...but with the Motorola HT820's I belive it was automatic though)
EyeOfTheStorm said:
This is a general Universal Problem. Maybe Radio Interference, maybe missing some CPU power.
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For me I am pretty sure it is pure radio problem now (have tested with an app called SuperTask, and A2DP takes approx 20% CPU, and my JasJar now used a total of 40-45% CPU when I listen to music over A2DP with PocketMusic). I only have this problem when I have the JasJar in my pant pockets, are in an area I know there is a lot of interference+have some obstructions. Except from that it is fine now.
You can see this post on my "socalled test" (it was just a simple test, but it seems to give a good indication at least) of A2DP's effect on CPU here;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=53717
You can see my (and some others) experiences with A2DP and some stuff we have tried to fix/handle it as good as possible;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=53431&sid=87c2c327d12afa647df4d8773a330ee2
EyeOfTheStorm said:
The noisy and unclean sound can be a ROM Version Problem, if you don't have that. I have tryed also with a Linux Computer as A2DP SINK Client, and the sound is same bad.
That's my ROM Version Info:
ROM-Version: 1.30.113 GER
Radio-Version: 1.10.03
Protokoll-Version: 42.44.P8
ExtROM-Version: 1.30.223 GER
Windows Version is 5.1.195 (Build 14847.2.0.0)
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I have no clue...do you have a Universal (I would guess so from that you post it here )...if so the HW is identical...so then...yes it should be the SW/ROM...since you actually have tried with another "headset" (your Linux computer). But I am sorry, that I am not much of contribution...if nothing else...I agree with your logic here!
BTW my ROM version++ is stated in the A2DP-test post I linked to above (don't remember the numbers...but I have the "latest QTEK WWE" ROM).

Thanks for your comments.
Maybe it's the T-Mobile Germany ROM that is the Problem. Have allready called the technical support at T-Mobile, to help.
Maybe they are ignoring me, but i have tryed.

Universal's blue tooth signal terrible
Look I had many imate devices and bluetooth sets. The Universal has a very weak bluetooth signal even with normal bluetooths.
I have tried 3 or 4 different bluetooth headsets and they all give me a max of 3 meters. With the Jam and pda2k with the same headsets I used to get 10meters.
I gues this is the reall problem you are facing, the bluetooth reception is terrible on Universal, try being really close like 40CM away and if the sound is good you will know that it is only a reception issue from the universal.

I noted the 40 ~50 cm distance problem when I reviewed my nokia hs-12w a2dp headset about a month ago, it is very irritating. I think it is to do with where the BT chip is placed !!! it is between the keyboard and the battery, from what I could tell of the exploded diagram on this site !! meaning it is surrounded by metal !!! not good .
PS I never have problems connecting my hs12w headset for audio use, however if I take a phone call, after the call has ended I loose AVRCP

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The sound is a little much deep and on mid to hig frequencies, i hear a high frequencie noise.
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How do you play sounds over bluetooth ?
I'm trying to understand the routes of analog and digital
sound data and how to control them.

cr2 said:
EyeOfTheStorm said:
The sound is a little much deep and on mid to hig frequencies, i hear a high frequencie noise.
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How do you play sounds over bluetooth ?
I'm trying to understand the routes of analog and digital
sound data and how to control them.
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Hi cr2,
yes I read about it in IRC Log. But what you like to do is, streaming sound direct to the bluetooth hardware. Universal hardware supports this feature. There are 2 Bluetooth Profiles implemented for, one is called "Handsfree" and one is calles "Headset" and ini Windows Mobile Registry you will find it if you look for "Audio Gateway". The registry values are also documented in the online MSDN Lib. I will post a link, later, if I find it.
What I am doing is A2DP, that means ... all stereo sound will be compressed in software and then send as datastream to the bluetooth device.
Have attached the A2DP specification. Under Linux there is a project calles "bluetooth-alsa", that supports A2DP and Handsfree. Look for it at sourceforge.net.

EyeOfTheStorm said:
all stereo sound will be compressed in software and then send as datastream to the bluetooth device.
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There are several options here. It can be sent directly
on some phones, or (theoretically) through the phone,
or even redigitized from the analog (for mono).
Under Linux there is a project calles "bluetooth-alsa", that supports A2DP and Handsfree. Look for it at sourceforge.net.
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Software is not a problem. We need to understand
what the hardware is doing.