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Easiest way of accessing the net via home adsl with xdaII?

From another thread... i've just been told xdaII doesn't have Wi-fi as i first presumed.
Can someone suggest the best way to access the net through my home adsl router? Would bluetooth be my best bet?
Can you recommend specifically which equipment will work... since there are so many issues at the moment as to what works and what doesn't.
Thanks!!
Fais

put i-mate in usb cradle, hook up cradle to PC. i-mate uses PC's network connection.
Outside of that you'll either be springing for a usb/bt dongle (which I haven't seen any posts of anyone using) or a WiFi SD card. Can't think of any other options off the top of my head.

As you have mentioned earlier, you have already wired up your whole home with wif-, and presumably have a wi-fi access point.
The best route would thereofre be to add a wi-fi card to your xda2, such as the Socket Wireless LAN (WiFi) SD Card. This will give you better speeds than bluetooth, and you will not have to worry about profiles etc.
Just my 2c
Surur

I use a Belkin USB bluetooth dongle, and using the ActiveSync passthrough you can then browse the web on the XDA within the range of the dongle. You can get dongles with a 100m range, which should be plenty within a house.
Only trouble is, being ActiveSync, it it pot luck whether you can establish a link or not. Once you've established the link, it works quite well, though not flawlessly. It's also quite slow. Not as slow as GPRS, but not exactly snappy either. I don't know whether this is down to PIE, the bluetooth, or the ActiveSync. Most likely the latter.
Ideally, you'd use a bluetooth access point, but I'm not sure the XDA will work with that due to the absence of an appropriate protocol.

Thanks for the replies... I know what you mean onepieceman... activesync if driving me crazing
Wi-fi seems my best bet since usb seems to be incredibly slow at downlaoding a page.... thanks for the recommendations surur and graah.

don use WiFi at home! use BT
I've got both BT dongle and WiFi sdio setup at home.
The BT is actually to a notebook which is WiFi'd to my ADSL to inet...
The WiFi is faster, but:
1. the BT actually gave me better range! (I got the 100m one from Belkin)
2. the WiFi is a pig ( P I G ) on the battery.
3. the WiFi takes up my SD porn-movies slot
if you setup activesync to only do the sync MANUALLY (you have to
tell it both on the PC and on the XDA to sync manually) then
establishing BT pass-thru is much easier/faster
The internet is kinda slow on the XDA, I think probably because
MS's pocket IE is just bad. I don't think the TCP/IP works correctly
or that it opens enough connections in parallel to get the GIF's
and stuff. The network/BT/WiFi and the hardware (128Mb/400Mhz)
is much faster than what IE/Microsoft gives us.
But what do you expect from the 640Kb is enough company, that
did it again with 32 ****ing processes?!

There is also the option of XDA CF jacket

Re: don use WiFi at home! use BT
mgolanlan said:
The internet is kinda slow on the XDA, I think probably because
MS's pocket IE is just bad. I don't think the TCP/IP works correctly
or that it opens enough connections in parallel to get the GIF's
and stuff. The network/BT/WiFi and the hardware (128Mb/400Mhz)
is much faster than what IE/Microsoft gives us.
But what do you expect from the 640Kb is enough company, that
did it again with 32 ****ing processes?!
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thanks mgolanlan... does this mean the net speed is going to be on par with the usb speed? - usb was incredibly slow ... if so i may as well not bother with net access all together

usb1.1 is 12Mb /sec
if your ADSL is faster then that you are pretty lucky

bluetooth to wlan

hello
i want to ask if it excist a program which connects bluetooth to wlan. because i know that for nokia serie 60 they where so a program.
if you know sometihning please answer.
and i am sorry for my bad english

Bluetooth and Wireless lan are 2 completely different things. They operate of different frequencies and at different speeds.
Physically, there is no way to do this, and on the Nokias they may have a wireless lan card in it?

no on nokia there is a program which let bluetooth connect to wlan. its works also on old models like 3650.
so i want to know if the same method will works with magican or if they are a program which makes that

These is part of the specs for the 3650 from Nokia's website:
Wireless Connectivity
* Infrared
* Bluetooth
* Connect phone wirelessly to a compatible phone or a compatible PC
* Send/receive pictures, video clips, and graphics
* Play games
If your are refering to the 3rd option, the phone can connect wirelessly to a compatible PC via BT or IR and not via WLAN using Nokia's PC Suite software. One can then surf the web, check emails, etc using the phone as long as the PC is connected to either via LAN or WLAN. This is also possible with a Magician.
As "eliosfa" said, these are totally 2 different technologies. It's like remote controls, there is the IR (mostly found in entertainment equipment) and RF (commonly used in garage doors).

no you dont understand me
this program excists. my friend try it on his nokia 3650 and it works very good so i have thought that it also will give a programm for magican
do you no something ??
let me know

what i understand from your statement that your friend has a 3650, via the phones bluetooth he connects to his pc via a wlan? my friend, that's totally impossible.
in any case, assuming what you say is true, can you tell us the name of the software/program your friend is using in his 3650? what are steps/procedures/settings used?

that is exactly what i would like to know, given that fact that they are 2 completely different technologies...

Actually, both bluetooth and wifi operate at the same 2.4GHz frequence. But they are completely different protocol, and there is no way for them talk to each other.
Someone explain quite well here:
http://www.bluejackq.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=3258

about the wireless internet
mayb what he's talking about is that his friend connects to the computer via bluetooth n the computer is further connected via wlan which enables his friend to connect to the internet overe bluetooth.....it probabaly creates a serial connection over bluetooth

I think you mean the PAN profile. Just search in this Forum. Look for "PAN" or "Bluesoleil"

I think you mean the PAN profile. Just search in this Forum. Look for "PAN" or "Bluesoleil"

Bluetooth lan?

I'm sorry if i'm not the first who askes this:
- is there any way to connect to lan trough buetooth?
I've got the orange spv m600.
Is there a widcom driver for this?
Thanx a lot for your help

No, that's what WiFi is for.

Yeah, i know, but at home i've got a bluetooth acces point which i use to connect 2 laptops to lan. So i also wanted to do this with the prophet.
Now i have to use a computer with active sync to connect to the internet, but i cant acces lan that way.

Good Question
Wifi aside......it would be handy if we could use bluetooth to connect to the lan setup even if just to transfer files. Theres a program for palm that does a similar idea. But I guess really it IS down to having to use wifi for now.
Bluetooth security has always worried me anyway.

bluezard
I can transfer files with bluezard on wm5 using filetransfer profile
other options for lan and other profiles are also there but i have no way of testing them

shot in the dark...

This is a shot in the dark, but has anyone heard of anyone who got the mogul to work as an access point? Basically, use the evdo radio to connect to the internet, and use the wireless connection, either as an adhoc connection, or preferably as a full on access point with wpa2 to share to a laptop, other devices, etc. To better describe this, you can kind of do it with a laptop:
1. connect phone via ics or dun to laptop.
2. in windows, enable ics and create ah-hoc network with encryption.
3. Other laptop connects to windows laptop, gets wireless connection and is effectively using the phone as an access point.
Even better
1. Connect phone via dun to linux laptop.
2. Linux laptop (using madwifi driver or other open source) broadcasts access point settiings and works as a full on access point.
Scenario:
I want to be able to connect my mogul to my n800. I can do that now with DUN, but what if I want to use my bluetooth headphones, or the bluetooth keyboard that I haven't bought yet? Bluetooth only allows one connection at a time, so I'm SOL. If I could get my stupid mogul to work as an access point, then I could share my connection with any wireless device (how sick would that be) and reserve bluetooth for what I wanted to really do with it, not just browsing the net. Don't get me wrong, I love that I can even sync via bluetooth, but am just looking to expand the possibilties. Unfortunately, since this is WM6, I have no idea how to really work the SDK to see if network bridging is possible. If this were a Linux phone I'd probably be done already. =(

search for socks proxy.
it doesn't work that well, but it does work..
-mark

jtlonthewestside said:
Scenario:
I want to be able to connect my mogul to my n800. I can do that now with DUN, but what if I want to use my bluetooth headphones, or the bluetooth keyboard that I haven't bought yet? Bluetooth only allows one connection at a time, so I'm SOL. If I could get my stupid mogul to work as an access point, then I could share my connection with any wireless device (how sick would that be) and reserve bluetooth for what I wanted to really do with it, not just browsing the net. Don't get me wrong, I love that I can even sync via bluetooth, but am just looking to expand the possibilties. Unfortunately, since this is WM6, I have no idea how to really work the SDK to see if network bridging is possible. If this were a Linux phone I'd probably be done already. =(
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Ummm... I'm not sure what you are basing your Bluetooth information on, but the BT specification allows for up to 8 concurrent connections at once- one master devices and 7 slaves. Why do you think its only one at a time?
I use multiple connections all the time- Very often I have my phone connected to my bluetooth GPS receiver in the car, and at the same time I'm playing tunes from the same phone over my A2DP compatible car stereo... or, take a phone call on my BT headset, and all the while I'm still connected to the GPS who is still tracking my location using bluetooth. I can tell the person where I am in real-time.
I've also had someone send me a file while talking on the phone via BT headset.
You don't need such a complicated solution for your imagined problem! I don't see any reason you can't tether it and still connect to up to 7 more Bluetooth devices at the same time!
Still, using it as an access point might prove useful for other sorts of scenarios (teleconnected mobile Lan parties? WiFi on a Bus? The incredible moving hotspot?), but you don't need it... at least not for your described scenario!
Basides, you'll get better battery life out of your connected devices if just using BT instead of WiFi!

Wi-Fi Dongle and HTC Wizard... We need a router too, no?

Hello Everybody,
I have got my HTC Wizard damaged. Actually till last night it was working fine, but now when I plug it into the USB, windows says that the USB device has malfunctioned etc. I search Google and everybody said that they tried hard-reset too with no luck.
So then I started searching Google to see if I could find a wi-fi USB dongle. I do have a Bluetooth dongle but since Wizard has got Bluetooth 1.1 (I guess!) so the transfer rate does not accede 15 Kbps. This is something annoying.
Now, my main question is, that if I order a Wi-Fi dongle, will I be able to transfer files from my PC into my HTC Wizard without any intermediate router or any other network or something? A Wifi dongle is cheap, $9.9 on Google Products. But a router isn't, its at least $250 or so.
Also, if somebody has some experience with this, please do post back the speeds at which you think the data will be transfered. I am only looking for an alternate to USB. If a Wi-Fi dongle could work, it would be great! I already hate wires. I love wireless stuff.
People with experience of trying this please write down any more details that you might have. What's the maximum range of a Wi-Fi network (usually).
Thanks in advance.
I'll be waiting for your replies. Please do post back.

Can o' worms...
You'll be hard pressed to get a response. I bought a Wfib router for $12 on ebay six months ago. Most of the developers here have wfi cards in their PCs, so using a usb port is kind of a waste/pretty antiquated.
Yes, you could connect with the wizard's wifi to your PC, and transfer files with Total Commander (all over the forum & google-able), but I'm guessing no one wants to try to tackle steering someone who can't/hasn't googled a decently priced router, or feels the need to use usb for wifi. You'd have to set up a windows network, too. Wifi, if you haven't used it, is a whole new can of worms. All the info you need is out there, but you'll have to find it.
My suggestion is to dust out your ppcs usb port gently with a soft, new toothbrush, uninstall ActiveSync on your PC, reboot & reinstall, reboot, and use a different usb port on your pc. If that doesn't work, I bet you could send it in to get repaired for about $40.

Actually, I do have some knowledge of computers and can usually fight back in situations that are confusing. I am not a Pocket PC/Windows CE programmer, but I know Visual C++ etc and many other languages.
I was just wanting to know if there could be an intermediate device that could be needed that's why I posted the question. And thank you very much for the response. It was very kind of you.
I have two more questions now:
1) If wifi is like LAN, then why would we need total commander to browser files? Can't there be a way to browse files like we do usually on LAN? I mean as far as I understand, total commander would perhaps only 'share' the files over lan? Correct?
2) At what speeds can we transfer data over wifi? And what is the usual range (in meters) of Wifi data transfer?
Thanks in Advance.

Krix said:
Hello Everybody,
I have got my HTC Wizard damaged. Actually till last night it was working fine, but now when I plug it into the USB, windows says that the USB device has malfunctioned etc. I search Google and everybody said that they tried hard-reset too with no luck.
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Have you tried another USB port? Or another cable?
An unstable USB hub gave me similair problems.

Wifi *is* wireless LAN.
Wifi equipment (cards, adapters, routers) are just a replacement for the ethernet cables etc., with a few software security measures so people don't "tap in" without an invitation.
There are a million different apps that browse files. Not too many apps do sharing without browsing anymore, so I've started using sharing to mean both (sharing + browsing). TC is free, it has a (wifi/LAN) network function under "extras," (aka "//") has a txt editor and as many other extras you would want in browser. I'm not sure what you mean by "the usual way." The built in File Explorer? I don't know, and don't care, if the WM6 browser has a network plugin, I have never used it (nor Resco or any of the others) since I found TC.
You should be able to connect directly from your Wizard to your PC's wifi if you can set up a TCPIP network and assign them (the wireless part only) IP addresses. You'll want to set up your PC to act as your router by allowing the PCs internet connection to be shared. (Internet in via wire, wireless out & back to the rest of your network, incuding devices.)
I've never tried it without a router, though, but it worked fine with the LynkSys one I got on ebay for $12.
The new/different cable is a good idea.
Forgive me, but this thread, if I kept answering questions, could eat a lot of my time. If you're still stuck on the Wifi thing, there are too many great sites explaining how it works.