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Multiple Bluetooth Devices

Hi there guys, its been a while since posting but I have some great news regarding using multiple bluetooth devices in the car.
A few weeks ago I purchased a Navman 4410 GPS unit for my XDAII. With the new "72" rom the Navman worked perfectly with my XDAII straight out of the box over bluetooth.
Today I installed a Sony Ericsson HBC-30 bluetooth hands free carkit (Which also worked perfectly out of the box). I was interested to know if I could have the GPS unit operating and have the handsfree carkit working at the same time.
I was simply sitting in the carpark, with the GPS connected and onscreen, then I used my other phone to call my XDAII... the call came up on screen (interrupting the GPS screen) I pressed the "answer" button on the Sony Ericsson handsfree kit, and the call came through perfectly!
Once finished with the call I pressed the "hangup" button on the handsfree kit, and then a few quick taps on the screen returned me to the GPS navigation screen.
Certainly not perfect, however it appears that the bluetooth issues are finally getting resolved, and allowing us to begin using the XDAII as it was intended.

Hi Colonel, thanks for your update, it is comforting to know that they are finally sorting out BT problems.
Is there any way to get the phone screen to automatically close after finishing a call? so I don't have to manually close it to get back to my GPS screen?

No I dont think you can. Not without altering the GPS software to continually make sure its "on top" of other windows... but then you'd have a problem with seeing the "incoming call screen" as the GPS software would try to jump on top of it.

I'd be so happy simply if I could make HCB30 and Blutrek G2 headset work side by side on my Qtek...

points are:
1-where coul i get that da***n 1.72 rom for my xda 2
2-where could i get the g2 HS in italy(even worlwide...) or all over the web at reasonable price
help a newbie...

Kolonel,
I can confirm your experience as far as BT GPS is concerned.
I however still have one issue to solve: When the MDAII (=XDA2) can't connect to the GPS (BT off, GPS off, GPS out of reach) and I start TomTom3, TomTom3 keeps searching for the GPS which results in a almost freezing MDA2.
Using rom 1,72 from Qtek I bonded the BT GPS and confirmed the question about assigning a com port.
In TomTom I assigned this (COM5) com port.
All works fine except for the issue mentioned.
Does this sound familiar?
Clues?
BTW in the BT settings screen there is nothing shown about the assigned com port (just free space next to the two lines that should indicate the in- and outbound com ports). I found COM5 to be assigned to BT by trial and error . . .

edsub said:
Kolonel,
I can confirm your experience as far as BT GPS is concerned.
I however still have one issue to solve: When the MDAII (=XDA2) can't connect to the GPS (BT off, GPS off, GPS out of reach) and I start TomTom3, TomTom3 keeps searching for the GPS which results in a almost freezing MDA2.
Using rom 1,72 from Qtek I bonded the BT GPS and confirmed the question about assigning a com port.
In TomTom I assigned this (COM5) com port.
All works fine except for the issue mentioned.
Does this sound familiar?
Clues?
BTW in the BT settings screen there is nothing shown about the assigned com port (just free space next to the two lines that should indicate the in- and outbound com ports). I found COM5 to be assigned to BT by trial and error . . .
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edsub,
Are you using "Bluetooth Tools"? Because I am not, i'm using the native bluetooth stack only.
I am using "Outbound" Com port 5 ONLY for my GPS. My 1.72 rom is the IMATE rom.
Im afraid that i'm not familiar with tomtom. So I cant help you there, sorry.

I am deliberately only using native MS bT stack.
I am only using COM5 for GPS too
What does the BT Settings show under
"Bluetooth Serial Port Setup"?
With me:
"Outbound COM port" checked, but after the colon is a "<not present>" shown.
"Inbound COM port" UNchecked, after the colon is a grayed-out "<not present>" shown.
Like i said I AM able to use the GPS via COM5.
Maybe this issue is a pure TomTom issue, I think your answer could clarify that.

edsub said:
I am deliberately only using native MS bT stack.
I am only using COM5 for GPS too
What does the BT Settings show under
"Bluetooth Serial Port Setup"?
With me:
"Outbound COM port" checked, but after the colon is a "<not present>" shown.
"Inbound COM port" UNchecked, after the colon is a grayed-out "<not present>" shown.
Like i said I AM able to use the GPS via COM5.
Maybe this issue is a pure TomTom issue, I think your answer could clarify that.
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Edsub, thats really weird... mine is:
"Inbound COM port:" UN checked, and after the colon is a grayed out "COM4"
"Outbound COM port:" checked, and after the colon is a black "COM5"

bluetooth
hi guys
im using imate 172 and tomtom 3 with a sony ericsson hb35 it works first time all the time with the standard stack. it works that good i even went and sold my carkit and just got a hold instead :lol:

@Kolonel Klink: I guessed it's strange. What ROM are you using exactly (OS & Extended).
I use the 1.72 Qtek rom with my own Extended Rom (wich is based on the Qtek ExtRom to which I added T-Mobile Nl customisations). I am sure there is nothing regarding Bluetooth in my ExtRom.
I heard from someone who uses the iMate 1.72 OS Rom (with his own cooked ExtRom) that he has the same results as you have.
Just trying to find to cause of this. Maybe I have to reflash to the iMate 1.72?? (shouldnt make a difference as both iMate and Qtek OS ROM's are the same 1.72.00WWE . . . .)
@freelockuk: Most interesting is the origin of your ExtRom. Arent there any Bluetooth enhancements in that ExtRom (like there were in the 1.60.36 T-Mobile NL ExtRom) that maybe make your 1.72 work better than mine concerning Bluetooth?

addition to prev post:
I noticed that there were two BT registry settings missing to get the assigned COMport show in BT Settings.
Also noticed another interesting value:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ExtModems\bluetooth_dun]
With me this one is:
"port"="BSP9:"
In prev versions it was:
"port"="BSP4:"
Can anyone with a 1.72 ROM that has a BT GPS mouse working via SPP AND who can start Tom Tom without the BT GPS mouse 'connected' post their setting of this key??

Okay, i've not cooked my own extended rom. I'm using the stock standard one from iMate.
I did find something odd today. I went into an IT expo and I turned flight-mode on. When I was finished I left and turned flight mode off. Then got in my car. I tried to make a call and it didnt go thru the handsfree kit.
Weird! I had to repair the device. So I did... and it all worked fine again. So I turned flight mode back on then off, and I ended up with the same result. It appears to lose the pairing when you turn the flight mode on.
Very odd!

I still have not found a solution to the behaviour where TomTom locks up the MDA with is isnt able to connect to my BT GPS.
Today I found out that this same behavious accurs on devices (not just MDA, HP too) that use a serial (wired) GPS when they take the current off the GPS . . .
That means:
1. TomTom Navigator can't cope with the situation where it cant connect to the GPS that is installed
2. With me TomTom navigator is not able to use the Bluetooth protocol on its side to cope with the (for Bluetooth GPS quite usual) unavailability of the BT GPS.
Again: Can anyone post me some info on this :?: :?:
Especially the registry items under
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\SerialPort]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ExtModems\bluetooth_dun]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ExtModems\bluetooth_dcn]
are of interest

@ Klink
Thanks for sharing your experiences, I'm watching them with interest.
Just wanted to as you about using your navman and the headset at the same time.
In your first post to this topic, you mentioned your 'carpark' test. I assume you weren't moving at the time, so the navman wasn't trying to give you directions.
What happens when you're driving along, getting instructions (ie. "turn left in 300m") from your navman, and the phone rings? Does the navman stop giving directions while you are talking on the phone using your BT handsfree? When you hang up does it resume giving directions again?
Thanks,
Hooligan

Emtact Trine BT GPS, Bluetrek G3 BT Headset
Like all of you my exprience is that it all works together.
But I've one problem. When navigating with TomTom and there is a incoming phone call and when I accept the call with my headset TomTom continues navigating but the sound of my QTEK2020 is muted during the call. So the instructions of TomTom cannot be heard.
I'm using plain MS BT Stack.
Regards,
Mark

This behaviour seems not the be dependent of the use of a BT headset. I have a carkit and during a call TomTom stays active in background. Sound of TomTom is muted however, which I find nice.
When the phone call is ended, TomTom starts talking again.(also nice)

first of all my nevigation program works great with the jabra 250 bt , it also mutes the program during a call is madeqreceived but :
there is anothe program that is called "ontime" that sends trqaffic status to the imate, using the gprs andthen calculates the fastest root( from junction to juction) and the problem is:
if i want to use buth progtams with royaltek gps bt rbt1000 they both need the com5 port fot bt.
to solve this problem one can use a prog called: "gpsgate" which makes a virtual port for the programs to use so u can use several program with one bt device.
for some it works only with bt tools, for others it doesnt work at all, gos knows why?!
but - if any1 needs a solution - here is one.
have a nice day , spark
QTEK 2020 - 1.72.00 WWE - 1.06.01
Back Pack - jabra 250 BT- royaltek rbt 1000 GPS BT - DESTINATOR3(LIKE TOM TOM 3) - soon will recieve sd 1gb*40

Spark, where did you get 'gpsgate'??

here is the link
http://franson.biz/gpsgate/download.asp

Bluetooth and GPS problem

Hi all, I bought a Qtek S100 and tried to connect it with my BT GPS receiver (Falcom Navi 1). It didn't work properly and I suddely lost te BT icon on the lower right hand side of the S100. It hasn't re-appeared even after several soft resets?
Does the S100 have the sae BT problems with GPS as the xdaII had?

I use BT GPS and the only problem so far is that I have to re-pair them sometimes.
Try Start->Settings->Connections->Bluetooth to get to the same screen as you would get to by clicking the BT icon.

THanks for the reply. Which BT GPS do you use? and with what Navigation program?

Holux GR-231 and TomTom3.

I am having problem with Bluetooth GPS as well. I have 2, one is iTrek Bluetooth GPS and one is ArcoreTech Bluetooth GPS.
Since I have tried both GPS units, I am pretty sure it's i-Mate JAM's Bluetooth problem.
Instead of upgrading my ROM to 1.06.00 WWE, I should have tried it out with version 1.03 first. I upgraded from 1.03 to 1.06 as soon as my JAM finished charging. BIG MISTAKE!
I ended up usiing "Pocket Bluetooth Tool" to designate COM8 (for example) for my GPS. However, if I happen to soft reset or turn of Bluetooth, I would have to pair it again.
I read many article's on the internet and the problem seems to point to the MS Bluetooth stack (instead of Widcomm used in my i-Mate PDA2K - and by the way PDA2K works perfectly with my GPS units).
Hopefuly i-Mate will address this problem during the next ROM update.

So how come Loboman's holux works ok?
Loboman are you using a different BT stack?

I would like to guess that he uses ROM version 1.03...
Jazzedout said:
So how come Loboman's holux works ok?
Loboman are you using a different BT stack?
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I use 1.06.00. All i do is that I tap on the BT icon, choose 'Devices', tap 'New...' and waits until the phone finds the GPS. Then I add it and pair it with the passkey. Then I had to scan all serial ports using a program that Holux supplies (I bet it works with any BT reciever though) to find out that my port was COM5 and finally I set my programs to use COM5. As I previously stated, I do have to re-pair them sometimes for some reason, but I can live with that.
I previously had an Acore unit which worked ok with my iPAQ 5450 (also MS BT stack) in WM2003. It took me all the way from northern Sweden to Barcelona in Spain last summer
I have not used Pocket Bluetooth Tool, but I have read about it. I think that it works without it so far. I also leave my BT on 24/7 since I don't think that it uses too much battery.
I hope things work out for you.

Absolutley no problems with Rom 1.01.01 Ger and Navilock BT-308 GPS-Mouse

I am not sure if the following has anything to do with Bluetooth but at least it cured my Bluetooth vs. GPS problem, for now.
On Club i-Mate's ROM update page, I found out that if the radio version is 1.10, then I am NOT suppose to apply the camera patch. After I uninstalled it, my JAM seems to work better with Bluetooth GPS units. My biggest problems were:
1. Once I soft reset my JAM, I have to re-pair my GPS units.
2. PrymeNav software took a long time to scan for GPS - and crashes sometimes when I designate already-scanned port.
3. Unable to hold two paired GPS units in Bluetooth Device List (though only used on at a time).
I have played with it after I uninstalled the camera patch and to this morning my GPS units still function well. Another key is to turn on the GPS unit and make sure it is linked (as indicated by its LED) - then turn on the GPS software. That way the hardwares are ensured to be linked.
As a side bonus, now I can perform Bluetooth Activesync on my Mac (via PocketMac software). However, I still require Pocket Bluetooth Tool installed on my JAM.
Weird!

TomTom 5 & XDA 2

Hi, Firstly thank's for posting the unlock code's for Xda 2 , very good , However i use the 3 network ( somebodys got to) and it is still locked , so i,m using my old pay as you go sim, but that's not the prob, when using tomtom 5 (and 3) and i get a call come through tom tom freezes up and will only work again after a soft restart , has any body else suffered the same or know of any fix's????? Cheer's in anticipation steve.

well i have tomtom5 and the only bug is that it doesnt lite up the screen !

Sorry for not replying been away , have seen in the forum that frezing is very common . I hav'nt encountered no back light prob so cant help i'm affaid . Thank's for the imput anyway . steve

Tom Tom 5 and XDA 2
I recently upgraded from TT3 to TT5, the only real problem I get is the phone ringer and caller display does not ring or display propperly.
My Jabra BT250 is slow in responding and answering when the button is pressed.
One other bugbare is not being able to see the Start Menu Bar when running TT5 as unable to see if you have a phone signal or received a text or missed a call.
Any help on these matters would be greatly apprecieated.
Thanks
ROM 1.7.2.00WWE
Radio 1.17.00
Ext Rom 1.72.18i1

It seem's every xda has different problem's , when my phone ring's it do's take a second to ring in the BT headset and about another second when the button is pressed to answer the call , and i get a balloon come up to say who is calling but i think that is part of Fonix voice dial. Icannot see away round including the start menu while running tt5 or 3 , so does tom tom freeze when you get a call or change phone arials??, sorry i could'nt be any more help
rom v, 1.72.00
radio v 1.17.00
ext rom v 1.72.181

I have been using TT3 extensively past year and recently upgraded to TT5.
No real issues.
THE issue with TT3 was that when my BT GPS was out of reach and i started TT3, it almost locked up my whole device (had to soft-reset). I found out is has something to do with my BT GPS. Aparantly WM2003SE does not have this issue.
next to this, I noticed frequent freezes IF I had actoivated POI. Tested this with several (also Toshiba and Panasonic made) SD Cards.
With TT5 these problems are gone.
The only thing I noticed when using TT5 is when I try to start a phne call the display is not properly build up: all except the numbered buttons are there.
No freezes whatsoever here anymore.
All in all still an improvement.

Tom tom 5 icm socket/emtac gps
I upgraded to ttn5 but cant get my gps to fix
emtac BT gps
in Bt menu my pairing is ok, but when I select a ' other BT gps ' it doesnt recognise it.
The options are BT on com 6 (but I dont have a com6)
or com9 or com2
any Ideas how to activate those com ports ?
Thanx
Rob
Qtec 2020, emtac BT gps, TTN5

use tomtom5patch from this site and place it in startup folder, then soft reset and try again

use tomtom5patch from this site and place it in startup folder, then soft reset and try again

@pleun: Where do we find this patch (searched for it but no results) and what does it do?

Advice
I'm considering buying TT5 but am a bit concerned about all the problems people are having. I noticed on tomtom's website it is compatible with the XDA 2. Would it be best to buy this package as it all comes complete on an SD card tomtom have tested, or, go for TT3 - people are selling these on ebay really cheap??

TT5 and XDA2
I am running TT5 with the GB Plus map on the XDA2 without any problems.
You must use a BT or serial GPS connection. Get a good mount which has a RJ11 connector for the TT serial GPS or use a Y cable for something like the HAICOM PS2.
XDA2 512 SD
SIN MERGED
RADIO 1.8
WM2003SE

it makes com 5 visible to tomtom.

TOMTOM6 and bluetooth GPS problem

I'm just going crazy with this problem:
I installed TT6 on the I-mate Jamin, connected to the BT GPS Holux GPSlim236 and it was working. After some hours or days, when I launch TT6, it does not recognize the BT GPS, it displays " no GPS (flight mode)" also if BT is active on the pda.
I tried also to update the firmware to the LvsW AKU 2.3.1 that should be very stable but the problem arised again. If I install again TT& it works again for some hour only.
Anothe strange behaviour is that TT6 is not trying to activate automatically the BT when launched, while after the installation it was.
Any solution?
Thanks in advance

did you disabled the phone?
when the phone is off, even if bluetooth is on, tomtom can not communicate with any bluetooth gps.

a new hope...
Maybe yes, I disabled the phone, as I was doing in my previous iPaq WM2003. I will follow your indication and give feedback asap. The strange thing is that other GPS programs are working with the BT GPS even if the phone is disabled.

Thank you! I could solved it!
Thank you, adl67-san, zadigre-san.
I had same problem with my QTEK9000 & TomTom6.
The problem was TomTom6 can not find GPS receiver(Holux GPSlim240).
But after Phone function is ON, it works well.
(Normally, I use my QTEK9000 without SIM.)
This problem has bother me for 1 month.
Now I can use it.
Thanks a lot again.
Sincerely yours,

Connect 2 Bluetooth Devices GPS+Heahset at the same time

I there any way to let our BlueAngle to connect GPS and BlueTooth headset at the same time I use WM6 already with Garmin Mobile 10 (10x) but can't used head set at the same time anyone have some idea to solved this problem

This is indeed a weird issue that is still occuring, the only 'work around I found' is to make two outgoing connections in order to connect them both, usually you have the headset connect towards the blue angel, so in inbound connection, if you connect your BA towards your headset, so in the bt menu really select to connect it, and than connect your bt antenna, this is no problem, I've tried all myself already to resolve this as I use this a lot and no other solution up to know, tried changing registry where you have like max connections on bt and all, but all that doesn't work
Grtz,
Tom

Prille said:
This is indeed a weird issue that is still occuring, the only 'work around I found' is to make two outgoing connections in order to connect them both, usually you have the headset connect towards the blue angel, so in inbound connection, if you connect your BA towards your headset, so in the bt menu really select to connect it, and than connect your bt antenna, this is no problem, I've tried all myself already to resolve this as I use this a lot and no other solution up to know, tried changing registry where you have like max connections on bt and all, but all that doesn't work
Grtz,
Tom
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Please explain how you did this?
Thanks in advance

touchu said:
I there any way to let our BlueAngle to connect GPS and BlueTooth headset at the same time I use WM6 already with Garmin Mobile 10 (10x) but can't used head set at the same time anyone have some idea to solved this problem
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I'm not very sure but if you use HELMI_BA_WM5_BT1.7_TEST.CAB it works, i use BT GPS and a Car handsfree and is able to receive GPS data on my BA and also instruction from BA to handsfree and when there is incoming call i still get it.

wilsacan said:
I'm not very sure but if you use HELMI_BA_WM5_BT1.7_TEST.CAB it works, i use BT GPS and a Car handsfree and is able to receive GPS data on my BA and also instruction from BA to handsfree and when there is incoming call i still get it.
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Can you post the file? I've the same problem...

anilkaparthi said:
Please explain how you did this?
Thanks in advance
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Well basically it's rather easy for my as I use Tom Tom and once Tom Tom is powered on it will activate the BT and connect any device already linked to your BA,
So I power my BT car kit, but don't activate my BT on my BA, I wait for 10sec and then my car kit makes a sound like it can't connect (because my BT isn't activated) and so he stops looking but remains powered on, then I just power on tomtom, this activates my BT function and connects my car kit and tom tom antenna immediatly, dunno how this comes but he always does this,
Several versions of tomtom already installed and always works like a charm...

i had a similar problem...
the work around i found is that connect audio first and then connect gps. it'll always work

Have to try this too
I will try these methods tonight then will report back here later on thank a lot for all good ideas here

Confirm
Well Done I found the solution even it not so convinience but it work out
1. Turn Off BlueTooth on BA
2. Turn on BT Headset , GPS
3. Wait for a while
4. Open GPS program for my case is GARMIN MOBILE XT
4.1 MOBILE XT turn on bluetooth then it will link to both device without registry edit at all
5. Enjoy the show and drive safely
I will keep update on testing with these 2 devices.

actually i use garmin que with gpsgate,
b4 starting garmin que .... the audio had to be connected..

It works for me, I use TomTom bluetooth GPS.
The trick is to start bluettoth first manually and then GPS program. Bluetooth headset can be started any time.

wilsacan said:
I'm not very sure but if you use HELMI_BA_WM5_BT1.7_TEST.CAB it works, i use BT GPS and a Car handsfree and is able to receive GPS data on my BA and also instruction from BA to handsfree and when there is incoming call i still get it.
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Really? after i patched this cab, i can't use handsfree any more, but only stero available

Prille said:
Well basically it's rather easy for my as I use Tom Tom and once Tom Tom is powered on it will activate the BT and connect any device already linked to your BA,
Several versions of tomtom already installed and always works like a charm...
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What GPSsettings do you use, program and hardware port?
Thanks.

After use 2 BT GPS + BT head set for almost a week everything work great but the only thing you have to aware is do not move one of the device out of range otherwise you will lose the connection from them even you have put them back in range. I notice that by I put headset with me then leave the phone and GPS inside the car after I come back the HeadSet can not be pair with the phone anymore have to turn off and then turn on the BT in our BlueAngle again. However there is only 1 problem i can found out.

New way
Ok I found more easy way I use program camm btIO V0.6 from www.silentservices.de or you can download from
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-btio-bluetooth-tray-icon.html
then just tab the icon to turn on/off bluetooth
however I also use another program call CicleBT then map the button of camera which i don't use much to turn on/off Bluetooth in case have some problem to connect to GPS MOBILE 10x
Hardware port setting also help me sometion no need to turn off bluetooth before enter Mobile XT
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM6_WizzardSettings_GPS
Enjoy