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Please? help to install wm 5.0. I have vIsual Studio 2005 and Windows.Mobile.5.0.Pocket.PC.SDK> but don't now what to do with it.

I don't know what device you have but, if you own the HTC Magician (or a variant of it) you cannot install WM2005 because the HTC Magician doesn't have the proper memory specs.
If you have a different device, i suggest you look in another device board.

xcilion said:
I don't know what device you have but, if you own the HTC Magician (or a variant of it) you cannot install WM2005 because the HTC Magician doesn't have the proper memory specs.
If you have a different device, i suggest you look in another device board.
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I have Qtek s110

detector said:
xcilion said:
I don't know what device you have but, if you own the HTC Magician (or a variant of it) you cannot install WM2005 because the HTC Magician doesn't have the proper memory specs.
If you have a different device, i suggest you look in another device board.
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I have Qtek s110
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There isn't a build of WM5 for the HTC Magician, which the QTek S110 is a variant of.

xcilion said:
I don't know what device you have but, if you own the HTC Magician (or a variant of it) you cannot install WM2005 because the HTC Magician doesn't have the proper memory specs.
If you have a different device, i suggest you look in another device board.
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The Magician does have the required memory specs as published by Microsoft. The problem is the drivers for the hardware found in the Magician such as the CPU, TFT screen, camera, etc.
And quoting Mike Calligaro from the MS Windows Mobile Team:
"A "typical" WM5 device will have 64M of RAM. 32M of RAM is very reasonable, especially if the device uses "NOR" ROM (more on that later). Because of the power drain, there are downsides to having "too much" RAM though. And, for that reason, 128M of RAM is unlikely, but may be done for certain "power user" devices.
A "typical" WM5 device will have 64M of ROM as well. Other than cost, there's no downside to having more. So, assuming you can afford it, it'll never hurt to pick the model with more ROM. "
and
"While Microsoft writes the bulk of the software on a WM device, a significant amount of it is written by the OEM or ODM who created the hardware. And the part they do is the most complicated part of the device: the drivers, parts of the kernel, and the radio stack. On major OS revisions, many of these parts need to be changed, sometimes dramatically. And, any time they need to be changed, extensive testing needs to be done.
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and
"I've had people accuse me of lying to them. "I know you can upgrade my device, because this web page has the upgrade on it." Remember, I've flat out told you that every WM2003SE device is capable of being upgraded. The upgrades don't happen because the cost of doing the upgrade divided by the number of people willing to do it is too high. When you see an unofficial WM5 upgrade on a website, what you're seeing is an image where that cost was not paid. It's a bare minimum effort, intended only for people willing to put up with a bad experience, and never supposed to be seen by actual customers. Think twice before letting it anywhere near your phone."

Thank you KTA. This is what I have been saying all along... From where I stand, I believe that a COOKED wm2005 Rom for the magician will eventually show up. How stable it will be is a different question, But By the shear number of Magicians out there, IT WILL SHOW UP ! Eventually....

dalewinterstein said:
Thank you KTA. This is what I have been saying all along... From where I stand, I believe that a COOKED wm2005 Rom for the magician will eventually show up. How stable it will be is a different question, But By the shear number of Magicians out there, IT WILL SHOW UP ! Eventually....
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I have a different opinion on this one. What I'm saying is that the Magician satisifies the hardware minimum requirements, therefore IT IS POSSIBLE to run WM5 on it. But I think no one has the resources to build the extra code for FREE. The leaked ROMS for Himalaya, etc. where developed by Microsoft and/or its partners for testing purposes. The testing is now over, so if it hasn't emerged by now, I think it will never show up

At least we agree that it is possible. I also agree that every day that goes by where it is not made available, makes the chances less and less. But IMHO it will happen. We wait and see

can you mail me that rom my mail is "[email protected]"
after mail you can call me +9607721588 B'cause i do these things privately

nonlegal said:
can you mail me that rom my mail is "[email protected]"
after mail you can call me +9607721588 B'cause i do these things privately
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Which ROM are you talking about? Like written, it does not exist until now.

Will magician ever be upgraded to WM5?any chances?

hi there
I know it's WM5 upgrade not available right now but I was just wondering that if it'll ever be possible that mini would be upgraded to WM5.Is it possible or mini doesn't meet the hardware requirements of WM5?your ideas?

Read the forums This was discussed all over the place!

However
You can always hope, especially as teh o2 atom specs ate similar.
I get mine hopefully next week when I am over in China.

Nope, never, jamais, nunca, nie, никогда, nooit, ποτέ, mai.

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You can always hope, especially as teh o2 atom specs ate similar.
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I hope that you are aware that Magician and o2 atom are not only different devices, BUT ALSO FROM DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS.
I will not be so naive to hope for WM5 on Magician, instead I hope for a nice brandnew WM5 device under the christmas tree. This hope is more likely to become true

Oh, another one!
:mrgreen: :lol: BWAAA HAA HAA HAAA HAAAA HAAAA :lol: :mrgreen:
Sorry, but I find people who ask this funny!

Especially because WM5 is absolutely uninteresting. It has been very slow on almost any new devices and the "nomore backups" issue isn't important to most of us people since we know how to make good backups - don't we?

I think WM5 is interessting! Not because of the Backup-Options.
Look here:
http://mobile-review.com/pda/articles/wm2005-1-en.shtml
The Outlook Contacts for example are _much_ better in WM5.
You see the Contact's full name _and_ the numbers and calling is so much easier!

Hate to sound like a newbie (which I am, just got my Mini/Magician today and first post to the forum), but according to some websites (http://www.gsmarena.com/o2_xda_atom-1372.php), looks like the new Atom will use the same processor as the Mini? Only difference is 128MB ram and possibly wifi (although another thread is debating that issue).
Wouldn't that be reason enough to expect a way to install Atom's WM5 to the Mini?

Stupy said:
Hate to sound like a newbie (which I am, just got my Mini/Magician today and first post to the forum), but according to some websites (http://www.gsmarena.com/o2_xda_atom-1372.php), looks like the new Atom will use the same processor as the Mini? Only difference is 128MB ram and possibly wifi (although another thread is debating that issue).
Wouldn't that be reason enough to expect a way to install Atom's WM5 to the Mini?
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Stupy, the problem is not just the processor type. The OS has to interface with all the hardware on your device such as Camera, BT chip, WiFi, Screen, etc. All of these require "drivers" that have to be written specifically for your hardware.
Unfortunately WM5 on the Magician is almost impossible. Unofficial upgrades for other devices occured simply because M$ and/or carriers were testing the new OS on these devices and the ROM got leaked. Now that the testing is over who do you think will take his time and effort to develop this interface for free??? And that's providing he/she has the necessary resources.
At this point the only way to upgrade to WM5 is to sell your device and get a new one :-( I will probably go for the 02 XDA Atom or HTC Prophet fairly soon.
(btw, I really really hope someone proves me wrong )

look at this link
http://www.shinyshiny.tv/2005/12/pink_pda.html
the specs are almost identical to xda2mini except for the 128mb, does this mean there is still hope that wm5 would still be possible for mini?

nato said:
look at this link
http://www.shinyshiny.tv/2005/12/pink_pda.html
the specs are almost identical to xda2mini except for the 128mb, does this mean there is still hope that wm5 would still be possible for mini?
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No. How may times does it have to be said. Read the post immediately before yours. :roll:
It's not going to happen.

kta said:
Stupy, the problem is not just the processor type. The OS has to interface with all the hardware on your device such as Camera, BT chip, WiFi, Screen, etc. All of these require "drivers" that have to be written specifically for your hardware.
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Thanks kta for sorting that out. I just got the Mini, so it'll be a little while before I get the Atom - they don't sell too many of these types of phones here in Canada. No matter, I'll be happy with what I've got. Cheers!

Don't hold out for Crossbow on the Hermes (on the Vario 2, at least)

After Crossbow was spotted running on an M3100 earlier this month, I fired off an email to T-Mobile asking them whether it would ever be available for the punters... Got a reply today:
The helpful Jann at T-Mobile said:
Good Morning Mr Woods
Thank you for your enquiry regarding handset updates.
So far the new AKU versions have all came out with new devices and the upgrade has never been supported from eg 2003 to 2005. if this will be available for the Crossbow then I don?t know.
From a t-mobile marketing point of view I would say it probably won't be available.
Kind Regards
Jann
T-Mobile
On 13/12/06 00:01, I wrote:
[From .CO.UK]
message:Now that Crossbow has been sighted in the wild on an Orange-branded flavour of the lovely Hermes, does T-Mobile have any kind of an ETA (be that from Microsoft themselves, TM head office or otherwise) for rolling it out to its Vario 2 customers?
I've read that Crossbow most likely won't be AKU3 of WM5, instead being an entirely new update which will be released before Microsoft release their Photon OS, and I've also seen it described as Windows Mobile 6 - but yeah, now that there's shots of an M3100 running it, it can't be that far from retail release, so I was just wondering if you had/have any plans in the works for letting us customers get it for their devices!
Cheers in advance
Christopher
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... Oh well. :/

that sucks :-(

He also is saying that there wont be a AKU3.x at all for the Hermes, and I think that's a load of BS. What he's saying is, if we want the latest AKU's, we have to buy new devices, FU buddy (the t-mobile guy that is)!

I'd say we need to concentrate on getting Buzz to update his stealth rom dumper.

If anyone has their hands on a Crossbow Hermes, get in touch with us. Buzz is temporarily detained, but source code of grabbit is available if required. What's needed?
Use Mamaich's rom dumper, the wiki solution or Pof's solution if you can. If not, contact a mod.
I suggest that it's unlikely an official Crossbow upgrade will come for Hermes. BUT the Samsung CPU has been popular and I imagine HTC will base a number of upcoming devices on the architecture. If so, a possible leaked rom may be hackable.
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Sleuth255 said:
I'd say we need to concentrate on getting Buzz to update his stealth rom dumper.
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A dump from WinCE is not as good as a dump from bootloader.
Someone should write a windows tool that communicates to bootloader over USB and does all the 'rbmc' commands needed to dump xbow.
Sleuth255: I see you've developed several apps... are you able to write such a tool if i give you the right bootloader commands? USB is seen as a serial device.

Keeping this thread alive and on top, maybe seen before, lots of Crossbow screenshots on this site:
http://www.pgcw.com.cn/newsdetail.asp?id=1366#here

How can we make it stealthy though? I may get my hands on a CrossBow equipped Hermes during MEDC 2K7 in May, but if I do, it'll most likely be in the exhibit area for only 5-10 minutes. This is why something like buzz's solution is so compelling.
I can certainly work on an app that will pull the ROM image when a device in bootloader mode is connected up to a PC. Having this certainly increases our chances if someone does manage to get one for a few hours.
I'll see what I can code up, but IMO we should also pursue buzz's stealth solution. Go ahead and point me towards the commands pof.. I can start with the instructions you left for tsuishui.

christopherwoods said:
After Crossbow was spotted running on an M3100 earlier this month, I fired off an email to T-Mobile asking them whether it would ever be available for the punters... Got a reply today:
... Oh well. :/
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Reading the message with open mind and not only with the eyes I read:
1) The man answering doesn't even knows the difference between OS and AKU. He speaks about 2003 and 2005 as AKU difference: ISN'T AKU, is a new OS release!
2) The same fellow doesn't even know the NAME of OSes! 2003 was right but we have Windows Mobile 5 an NOT 2005!
3) He is a man from the customer service, or, worst, probabily the answer comes from Tmobile marketing man, with little or no knowledge about the future of windows mobile devices, he knows about the past but seem really short sighted abut the future
4) The answer is the only answer he could give: if he will say "may be.." or "we will see" everyone will start asking WHEN, boring him from is well paid chair, so is better to say "no", beacuse "no" was the answer given since yesterday and worked! They don't sell devices, the sell radio time and traffic
5) In the Operators market strong agreements exists between MS and operators and marketing doesn't drive, they follow!
Overclock the brain reading messages and spokesmen transcripts from companies, not only eyes and be carefull when asking something simple but revolutionary to a large and with good revenues company: 90% of answers will be NO

How long for wm6?

hi, does anyone think the official wm6 will come out on this month or until another time? Theres been the windows mobile device 6 for vista and this http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=251651
What do you think about this? will we be using an official wm6 by the end of this month or will know the official date of realese?

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hi, does anyone think the official wm6 will come out on this month or until another time? Theres been the windows mobile device 6 for vista and this http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=251651
What do you think about this? will we be using an official wm6 by the end of this month or will know the official date of realese?
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I personally don't think there will be any official WM6.0 ROM updates for the Wizard. They just want you to buy a new device

mccune said:
I personally don't think there will be any official WM6.0 ROM updates for the Wizard. They just want you to buy a new device
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correct my friend,,,no official releases.

i know that we wont get an update but still we will find some way to use the roms from new devices but the question is when will these devices come out

ultraprimeomega said:
i know that we wont get an update but still we will find some way to use the roms from new devices but the question is when will these devices come out
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ther are fully working cossbow roms made up allredy...but they cannot be posted in this site for the moment.

faria said:
ther are fully working cossbow roms made up allredy...but they cannot be posted in this site for the moment.
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Thats another question that i have; Wont they let us post them when the devices are avalible to the public?

Eh? WM6 is an official release, just not for our devices. It's not like it's top secret or anything.
True Windows CE 6, Photon, is a very different thing to Crossbow. I know various authors who are writing books on that release. But an official release of either rom is unlikely on existing devices. I don't recall HTC ever releasing an OS upgrade (ie from WM2003 to WM5) offically.
Anyone recall anything like that?
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So what we already have is or may be the os that microsoft has release to htc or other companies for adding their own programs and flash to devices or to the service providers and then to the devices

hp did wm2003 to wm5 for 1 device

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hp did wm2003 to wm5 for 1 device
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Wasn't that a non phone-edition device?
There's no way the telco's would ever officially release a rom that updates to the next operating system. Their business plans work on you buying a new device every 12 months, so giving you a rom that means you don't have to do that would be seen as commercial suicide. Fact of life in these phone-edition telco dominated days my friend.

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Wasn't that a non phone-edition device?
There's no way the telco's would ever officially release a rom that updates to the next operating system. Their business plans work on you buying a new device every 12 months, so giving you a rom that means you don't have to do that would be seen as commercial suicide. Fact of life in these phone-edition telco dominated days my friend.
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Eten did. Eten M500. WM3 -> WM5

Countable Instances.

Could they give us a wm5 SE update and realese a different wm6 for new devices? but i now they could anything

Crossbow will become available?

...the topic says it all. (talking for trinity of course)
MS announced it officially.
Anybody heard anything?

That is a question for some old HTC/QTEK users, if they managed to install newer OS on some older devices than maybe there is a hope for Trinity also in future.

banesi said:
That is a question for some old HTC/QTEK users, if they managed to install newer OS on some older devices than maybe there is a hope for Trinity also in future.
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Best thing that could happen to a Trinity user: HTC releasing ROM to include WM6, GPS Functionality, FM Radio Enabled (if the H/W exists) all before the end of the month.
After moving from XP to Vista, using WM5 just doesn't feel right anymore.

I would be very surprised if HTC would give away a brand new OS for free. Expect to pay for it, if it is released at all.

Loboman said:
I would be very surprised if HTC would give away a brand new OS for free. Expect to pay for it, if it is released at all.
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I am taking bets on HTC not releasing any Crossbow ROMs for the current line of products.

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I am taking bets on HTC not releasing any Crossbow ROMs for the current line of products.
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I'm probably going to wander off to the Eten corner if HTC do this to us.

Someone have actually mailed to Dopod(owned by HTC) and they replied that they will not offer WM6 upgrade to any of the existing WM5 models. They only said that new WM6 model will be out soon. So...