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how the hell do you turn off the device, if i press the power button once the screen goes completely black and i cannot tap anything but i can still recieve calls and if i press any of the buttons it comes alive. if i press and continue pressing for two seconds, the screen simply dims and i can still tap on the screen?
so how do you switch it off?
and if you reset how do you prevent it from loading the T-Mobile customization?
Also, mine has a dead pixel and i have just opened it can i take it back as faulty? it's only one dead pixel but it's really really annoying...does it count as a fault. i'm gonna try and take mine back tomorrow
A short press turns the unit off
A longer press will shut down the backlight, but leave the unit on
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A short press turns the unit off
A longer press will shut down the backlight, but leave the unit on
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Well, when i do that the screen goes blank but i can still recieve calls and if i press any of the buttons it goes back on again!!!!!!!!!!!!
To totaly turn off the device you need to slide the battery lock button out and then back in. It is the only way I have found to totaly turn the device off.
To lock the keys go into "settings" then "system" and choose "button lock" then choose "Lock all buttons except power button".
John
oh, i see. i thought it was like the other phones, nokia SE etc.
thanks alot for all your replies
thank you
this is not a phone, this is a pdaphone, it works like a pda... if you want tu turn off the phone, you can use the flight mode.
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this is not a phone, this is a pdaphone, it works like a pda... if you want tu turn off the phone, you can use the flight mode.
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I dont think it has anyhting to do with PDA. I have had 3 PDA's before. All of them had an "off" button that turned the thing off. Ditto for phones. So this is just Microsoft's strange decision. Dont make the guy feel back just because he is thinking logically - and they are not.
I've had quite a few PDAs over the years:- Casio E80? Psion 3, 3a, 3c, 5, 5mx, iPaq 3630, XDAI, XDAII, MDA Compact.
None of them have ever had an off button. They turn off the screen and may even slow the processor or put it in sleep mode. But they all kept their memory powered up and clock / alarms / appointments alive at all times.
This may change in the future as flash ram is now fast enough that you could actually run stuff from it so you could truly kill power (apart from clock and wakeup stuff) without emptying your memory.
My old Visor Edge, Palm Tungsten T, T2 and TE all had off buttons. I dont know of any electronic device where anyone should expect that the "off" botton doesn't turn it off.
If that button on Windows Mobile devices is a "sleep" button, then they should mark it with a "sleep" symbol, rather than the intl symbol for "power", which is what they have on there - and which is what confuses people.
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My old Visor Edge, Palm Tungsten T, T2 and TE all had off buttons. I dont know of any electronic device where anyone should expect that the "off" botton doesn't turn it off.
If that button on Windows Mobile devices is a "sleep" button, then they should mark it with a "sleep" symbol, rather than the intl symbol for "power", which is what they have on there - and which is what confuses people.
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So, if your Palm completely powered down when you pressed this magic "off" button, how come the alarms still worked? How come it woke up when you pressed any of the four application buttons or tapped the screen? How come your data was still kept in RAM?
More wisdom from the skagen...
My Nokia 6100 has an off button and it works. Doesn't stop my alarms from waking me up. So did my SE T610 before that
Everybody here has had a cell phone before. The all have "off" buttons that turn the device off. Only Microsoft, in its infinite stupidity, has decided to have a an "off" button that should in fact be labelled "sleep".
You are the one with no clue.
If you press the "off" button on your N 6100 or SE T610 you are right in that they would really be off. You can not receive a call, any alarms will not sound until you turn the phone on again and so on.
But this is not so for most PDA:s on the market.
Most PDA:s will go into some kind of sleep mode when you press the "off" button. And mostly it is not even a true sleep mode, a lot of processes are still running, and even network connections can be kept active. This is also the way most PDA users would want their PDA to work. Also, the way most PDA:s are built, a power down means resetting everything back to defaults and thereby loosing all of your data and third party applications. This could be cured by using non volatile RAM for all of the memory, but I guess there is probably a good reason why this is not normally done.
Actually, on most modern computers a short tap on the power button will put them in suspend mode and holding it for more than two seconds will turn them off. So the only thing that is really strange with the PDA is that a long press on the button will not even put it in sleep mode but only shut off power to the display. And as I actually don't know anyone that has ever used that worthless function I think they should probably replace it with a "real" sleep mode, where all of the hardware is actually shut off except for support voltage to keep the memory "alive".
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If you press the "off" button on your N 6100 or SE T610 you are right in that they would really be off. You can not receive a call, any alarms will not sound until you turn the phone on again and so on.
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On N 6100 ,and on all nokia phones, the clock alarm wake's up the phone... You then have a choice of whether to activate the phone or not...
Same with all the Siemens phones I owned ( 4 so far). When shutting off the phone, the clock and alarms keep working. The only thing that does not work, off course, is the radio so incoming calls are diverted to voice mail. But with the phone off, the alarms still wake me up!
It would indeed be a good idea if using the power button on any type of XDA would turn the device really off, using power only for keeping the clock working and the data stored...
If the alarms jeep working on your phone when in "off" mode it is not actually off but in a low power mode with the phone functions turned off. So what you are really asking for is that the power button should turn off the phone but keep the pda running. This seems quite useless to me. Exactly how often are you in such a hurry to turn off the phone?
Yes, the device is in sleep mode, but it is a very deep sleep indeed, since it uses close to zero power. When I put my Compact in sleep mode, running programs will not shut down but will stay running, the Today screen is still running and the same goes for the phone radio and GPRS. This means that the battery drains much quicker. So in order to save power, I have to turn off the radio (flight mode), kill running apps and then put the device to sleep with the power button. Seems like rather a hassle, doesn't it, compared to a normal phone? So I don't mean for the PDA to keep running ful operations, but rather to power down to a level where it only uses a little power to keep the storage working. And when waking up, I don't need to see the Today right away, a few seconds loading the screen like on a normal phone is worth the power save to me.
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My Nokia 6100 has an off button and it works. Doesn't stop my alarms from waking me up. So did my SE T610 before that
Everybody here has had a cell phone before. The all have "off" buttons that turn the device off. Only Microsoft, in its infinite stupidity, has decided to have a an "off" button that should in fact be labelled "sleep".
You are the one with no clue.
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This guy is unbelievable. You were claiming that your Palm turned completely off when you hit the off button - not a cellphone, jerk.
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When I put my Compact in sleep mode, running programs will not shut down but will stay running, the Today screen is still running and the same goes for the phone radio and GPRS. This means that the battery drains much quicker. So in order to save power, I have to turn off the radio (flight mode), kill running apps and then put the device to sleep with the power button.
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Wrong - programs that can be _are_ suspended when you put the PDA into standby. Try it with MediaPlayer.
How do you know the Today screen is still running? Like you know the fridge light really stays on when you shut the door?
Wouldn't you be complaining more (because of the missed calls) if turning the PDA off to save the battery also killed the phone?
Most of us can get our heads round this - the Standby button on the side controls the PDA. The Flight mode controls the phone. Not exactly difficult, is it?
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And when waking up, I don't need to see the Today right away, a few seconds loading the screen like on a normal phone is worth the power save to me.
That's where you fall into sjkagen's trap, again. For the zillionth time, the Jam/Compact is not just a phone. It's primarily a PDA. That's why it costs so much more than a phone. And on a PDA, you need to be able to look up information instantly - not have to wait a minute for the darn thing to boot up.
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skagen said:
My Nokia 6100 has an off button and it works. Doesn't stop my alarms from waking me up. So did my SE T610 before that
Everybody here has had a cell phone before. The all have "off" buttons that turn the device off. Only Microsoft, in its infinite stupidity, has decided to have a an "off" button that should in fact be labelled "sleep".
You are the one with no clue.
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Oh skagen, how ignorant you are. Seems you cannot understand pictures, let alone words.
The label on the Jam "off" button is a line through a broken circle, which is the IEC symbol for STANDBY, not POWER OFF. Just like on all other PDAs, and your TV remote control.
See
http://eetd.lbl.gov/Controls/overview/symbols1.pdf
Now look again at all your "phones" which completely shut down when you press the "power" button. What symbol do they have?
Seeing as you obviously have so much difficulty telling the difference between a cellphone and a Palm, a phone and a PocketPC, or a power switch from a standby button, here's another teaser for you.
1. How do cellphones manage to keep their memory when they are turned off or the battery is removed?
2. What is the difference between the memory in cellphone and that in most PDAs?
3. Why do most PDAs have Standby (Soft Off) and not Power (Hard Off) buttons?
Wow, seems like some people are getting really sensitive when I call the Magician a phone... Sorry if I insulted you guys, it is just that I compare it to a phone because I use it for that the most, but I do understand that it is actually much more than that!
I have no problems with the way the sleep button works, it is ok for me, I just wanted to say that there are other possibilities that could have been used to map the button to. Especially since some people would have liked the button to work more "phone wise". But since it is primarily a PDA, I see that this current application is the most logical thing for the button to do.
BTW you are totally right that most running apps are termintated when pushing the power button. Although WMP stays active in the running programs menu, the music is cut off. However, since the prog stays loaded, does this consume more power than shutting it down completey (e.g. with SPB Pocket Plus)?
I think the Today screen stays loaded BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT THERE AFTER WAKE UP, just as you say: it does not have to be booted first. BTW: I have a little window in my fridge door to check wether the light goes off .
And please guys, don't call each other jerks or ignorant just because someone's questions or remarks anoy you. Reply polite or don't reply at all!
Not sure if its appropriate to make requests in this forum, but you guys are so amazingly gifted when it comes to these phones I thought I'd ask.
What I want is a program that will lock my the keys/device of my CDMA Vogue when it turns off....not when the backlight goes off, but when the screen goes off/sleeps. BUT I want it to wait maybe 10-20 seconds after it goes to sleep before actually locking.
Here's why....I have my Vogue backlight to go off after 10 seconds and go to sleep after 30s or 1 minute depending on which profile I have active (using Phone Weaver). The thing is, its a pain to have to unlock after time it goes to sleep when I'm still working on it, configuring it, trying to fix something I screwed up. So if there was a delay, say 10 seconds, then its safe to say that I probably want it to actually stay asleep.
Maybe I'm the only one that thinks this would be useful, maybe not. I tried AC's S2U and I could not make it do this exactly, neither could I make BatteryStatus work for me in this regard. I think vjphonetools can be set to lock when the backlight goes off, but that's not really what I want either. Maybe of greater use would be a program that could execute a lnk/exe at particular time intervals (or sleep state) silently in the background. I guess all of this assumes that programs can actually be executed while the screen is off and, lastly maybe toggling the screen off and tapping the power button (sleep) are functionally different.
Thanks!
Matt
PS Sorry to the mods if this is the wrong forum
Looks like mortscript might do something like this maybe.....
Hi Developers!
I'm new here, although i've been reading the forum for a couple of weeks now.
I had a flash yesterday night, that we need a program/mod that allows us to vibrate the phone by shaking it if there is a new message.
My phone usually in a pouch, and i always have to take it out at least to check if the led is flashing. Would be nicer to shake, and it would vibrate in response.
[(if newmessage = 1 AND tiltingactive = 1) then vibrate]
Thinking about something like this
Is there a program like this exists, or would anybody be so kind making, or implementing it to an other program for us?
Comments are welcome.
Happy diamonding for next year too
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Hi Developers!
I'm new here, although i've been reading the forum for a couple of weeks now.
I had a flash yesterday night, that we need a program/mod that allows us to vibrate the phone by shaking it if there is a new message.
My phone usually in a pouch, and i always have to take it out at least to check if the led is flashing. Would be nicer to shake, and it would vibrate in response.
[(if newmessage = 1 AND tiltingactive = 1) then vibrate]
Thinking about something like this
Is there a program like this exists, or would anybody be so kind making, or implementing it to an other program for us?
Comments are welcome.
Happy diamonding for next year too
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+1 here!! Sounds very nice!
Hope some more people fancy this idea
Indeed...to all of you HAPPY (*DIAMOND*) NEW YEAR!
Regards
Jeroen
Ya +1 it sounds awesome....dunno hw u ppl get such supeb ideas......
Ermm.. I thought thatz already in the vibrate settings?
I think you missed the point.
Very neat idea indeed
in silent mode my phone is vibrating log for calls and tree time short for SMS, in factory seting, original ROM
Another one, who missed the point - we're talking here about an app that would respond by vibration after we shake the phone in case there's a new (unread) message.
as far as i know this isn't possible, when your phone is in standby mode, 3rd party applications can't interact with it, so you'd have to turn the phone on first before shaking it, which would be pointless.
I was afraid of that. But yes - there's a point - Diamond (for example) doesn't "blink" with the alert LEDs when in standby.
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I was afraid of that. But yes - there's a point - Diamond (for example) doesn't "blink" with the alert LEDs when in standby.
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but the ring around the nav-pad "blinks"
If there is a text comes, it automatically wakes up the phone(there is an option somewhere to check it). The ring around the navipad also flashes.
Interesting improvement would be to tell you how much text arrived by vibrating twice, 3 times, etc after shaking...
How about using one of those expanded alert programs setting it to vibrate every 30 sec when you have new messages. It would save you even having to take the phones out of your pockets.
This is a great idea!
My diamond normally sits inside its beyza case, where I have easy access to the button on top of the device, but have to use 2 hands to take it out the case. It would be so useful to be able to quickly tap the button to take the phone off standby, and shake it and wait for a vibrating response.
Sounds good, but we need a professional to implement. Anybody volunteers?
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This is a great idea!
My diamond normally sits inside its beyza case, where I have easy access to the button on top of the device, but have to use 2 hands to take it out the case. It would be so useful to be able to quickly tap the button to take the phone off standby, and shake it and wait for a vibrating response.
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Why shake it?
Then I would use lightsensor, when carrying = dark. So tapping butting makes it shake the amount of messages and goes back to standby again within 5 seconds.
Why AND push button AND shake?
Hhm... it would be enough just to beep or vibrate every 2 minutes until you read the message. My old samsung R210 could do that, and it was a pretty handy feature.
I've made something up that alley some months ago, check out my signature (3 utilities) and VibraNotify.
My concept was to vibrate when there's been activity while your phone was left on i.e. a table and you pick it up again...
The point of it is if you've missed SMS, while it's in the leather case or whatever you use - you shake it and it vibrates. which i think its useful, saves you having to take it out the case, and either look at the ring light or turning it on to check.
having it vibrate every 2 minutes would be a bit crazy as it would kill your battery surely?
Well, thanks to audiophil, it seems the problem solved with vibranotify. I haven't tried it yet tho, somebody could give a feedback about it.
Hello to everyone. I have a few questions...
1. When we hold the reject call button pressed the device keys lock. Is there an option to autolock the device keys let's say in 1 minute ?
2. What's going on with the alarm clock ? When the device is turned off the alarm clock can't "wake" (turn the power on) the phone and you lose the alarm. Is there a solution ? G-Alarm or Spb Time no good...
3. The programmable Soft Keys. Just above them at the bar it says Calendar and Contacts. But the Soft Keys run other applications because we have programmed them to. Is there a way the bar above them to reflect the Soft Key's programs and not Calendar and Contact ?
Thanks for your time...
1. Use S2U2
2. Of course the alarm can't ring when the device is switched off. What did you expect? It's turned off! No power, no boot, no ring. Your home computer won't ring either if you disconnect the power supply.
3. No, it's not. Because these buttons do not belong together. You have 4 buttons to use, otherwise you just would have 2 -it's much better this way.
However, you can do other way around and program the softkeys to do what the buttons on the screen tell you. START --> SETTINGS --> BUTTONS
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1. Use S2U2
2. Of course the alarm can't ring when the device is switched off. What did you expect? It's turned off! No power, no boot, no ring. Your home computer won't ring either if you disconnect the power supply.
3. No, it's not. Because these buttons do not belong together. You have 4 buttons to use, otherwise you just would have 2 -it's much better this way.
However, you can do other way around and program the softkeys to do what the buttons on the screen tell you. START --> SETTINGS --> BUTTONS
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1. THANKS !
2. Every cellphone can "wake up" and power on by its self when the defined alarm time is met. And then the alarm goes off so you can wake up. That's default from the first cellphone that ever came out. This is a bug and no software can fix this. I have tried G-Alarm and Spb Time. I guess i have to wait the update...
3. Yes I agree but it's confusing. You see e.g. Calendar and when you press the soft key File explorer runs...
2. There you go..."every cellphone can wake up". But you have to get used to the thought that this is a pocket PC and no cellphone. Every cellphone is still running and using battery power, even when switched off, so the alarm can go off. Windows mobile and also Symbian S60 are operating systems that must boot first before the phone is active. When a pocket PC is switched off, it is really off. This is no bug and no update will ever fix this.
3. It was confusing for me too at first, because this is my first touch-screen phone. But after a while I got used to it and like it as it is. I have the buttons on the screen and then I have the two programmable buttons -with them I open the START-button and rotate the screen.
EDIT: I press the "Flight mode" button on the SE-Panel before going to sleep, so all connections are disabled but the alarm goes off. This mode hardly need any power but the alarm will go off when needed. So you can compare this with the "power off" mode on former cellphones.
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2. There you go..."every cellphone can wake up". But you have to get used to the thought that this is a pocket PC and no cellphone. Every cellphone is still running and using battery power, even when switched off, so the alarm can go off. Windows mobile and also Symbian S60 are operating systems that must boot first before the phone is active. When a pocket PC is switched off, it is really off. This is no bug and no update will ever fix this.
3. It was confusing for me too at first, because this is my first touch-screen phone. But after a while I got used to it and like it as it is. I have the buttons on the screen and then I have the two programmable buttons -with them I open the START-button and rotate the screen.
EDIT: I press the "Flight mode" button on the SE-Panel before going to sleep, so all connections are disabled but the alarm goes off. This mode hardly need any power but the alarm will go off when needed. So you can compare this with the "power off" mode on former cellphones.
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2. Every Nokia I had (Communicators, N95) turned on by its self when the alarm time met. Also all HTC phones (with windows) do that. I also had QTEK 9000. The same thing. Windows mobile but it turned it's self on. This is the first time I see this in a phone and it's unacceptable. Oh well ! I thought the option of Flight mode but I didn't want to believe that a phone in 2009 could not "power on" by its self. Nevertheless I strongly believe that this is a bug and it will be corrected...
3. Thanks !
Thank you skycamefalling for your answers...
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2. There you go..."every cellphone can wake up". But you have to get used to the thought that this is a pocket PC and no cellphone. Every cellphone is still running and using battery power, even when switched off, so the alarm can go off. Windows mobile and also Symbian S60 are operating systems that must boot first before the phone is active. When a pocket PC is switched off, it is really off. This is no bug and no update will ever fix this.
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little veto here.
Symbian is a CELLPHONE OS. therefore the alarm does work since its always running even of the phone is turned off.
Windows mobile was not intended to be a cellphone OS. it just received a small update. therefor ... device turnoed off = 0 power usage ... well close too ^^
its not a bug. its neither intended. its just a non existing feature. and since it would use some extra hardware (check alarm/clock and start phone) u probably wont get this feature at all.
btw ... why in the world would i want to turn my phone off
PS: keep in mind that u bought a Pocket PC with cellphone features and not vise versa!
Hmmm...my N95 of the first generation definitly did not power itself when the alarm should go off therefore I thought this is an issue with S60 too. So I stand corrected...maybe they fixed this in a later firmware update.
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Hmmm...my N95 of the first generation definitly did not power itself when the alarm should go off therefore I thought this is an issue with S60 too. So I stand corrected...maybe they fixed this in a later firmware update.
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it did, or at least all symbian phones i ever had since 2002 so far did .
but like i said, symbian is made for cellphones.
while Windows mobile was just a windows for pocket devices. i dont know any PC wich boots automaticly up just u set an alarm under WIndows.
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Hello to everyone. I have a few questions...
3. The programmable Soft Keys. Just above them at the bar it says Calendar and Contacts. But the Soft Keys run other applications because we have programmed them to. Is there a way the bar above them to reflect the Soft Key's programs and not Calendar and Contact ?
Thanks for your time...
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To be clear about this, as one of the posts above says, there are actually four (4) options here, all of them easily changeable:
1) the two "soft keys" at the very bottom of the touch screen (Contacts and Calendar by default) are able to be assigned to any installed app that has a shortcut - I'm running TC and an Expense Diary on my device
Just use (eg) http://mobile-sg.com/software/?p=KeySwop&platform=ppc
There are a number of these freeware programs, the one I've linked is just one of them
2) the two "hardware keys" directly below the touch screen are assignable in the Buttons app (Start>Settings>Personal). It's just that they are also called "software keys" in the Buttons menu choices, which is where I think the confusion here lies.
I've also re-assigned these two to functions quite separate to the defaults (left one rotates the screen, right one brings up my 3rd party contacts database)
When you turn the X1 off (and virtually all winmo ppcs since they changed the memory type) OFF really does mean OFF
From what I remember in the early days of PPCs if you turned off your device it wiped the memory so the device went into standby instead. it was frustrating to say the least.
If you want an alarm to work then put the x1 into standby then the alarm works rather than turn it off.
If the x1 isn't having enough wake up time to trigger the alarm when resuming from standby you can try increasing that setting using something like Advanced config. Mine works on stock.
Pcs can usually only be set to wake at a set time through the bios can't they? I can't imagine how a device would be able to use the operating system calls when the OS wasn't even loaded..
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Hmmm...my N95 of the first generation definitly did not power itself when the alarm should go off therefore I thought this is an issue with S60 too. So I stand corrected...maybe they fixed this in a later firmware update.
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Actually you're wrong. It's not a bug, they'll not fix it.
It was identicall with all of my UIQ/Symbian SE smartphones.
But what the heck is the problem with just using flight mode? It's so convinient, just cut off all the connections, alarm runs great.
I would not expect my device to start the complex booting action just to ring the alarm and than turn itself off again.
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Pcs can usually only be set to wake at a set time through the bios can't they? I can't imagine how a device would be able to use the operating system calls when the OS wasn't even loaded..
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bootup args!
that probably wont be much of a problem. but u need soem hardware which checks clock settings and actualy boot up the device. but thats all kind of expensive considering u just want to ring an alarm.
Symbian phones have a total different hardware structure and this feature is allready somewhat build-in
Ok guys. I stand corrected. I thought that alarm clock can actually "wake up" phone. Thanks everybody !
Hi everyone,
I'd like to know if there's a program or some type of feature in the phone that allows an Auto On/Off at a specific time. My Bold 9000 had this option and it helped greatly improve battery life as I would set the phone to turn off while I'm asleep.
Also, the alarm does not come on when the phone is off. Is this normal?
Other than these little things, I am completely happy switching from Blackberry to Android!
well the phone needs to be on standby in order for any apps to be working, so yes it is normal that the alarm isnt going off when the phone is off.