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WM 2003 4.00.01 and GPRS

Hi,
Maybe its an odd question.....
When I press send&receive on my inbox my XDA connects via GPRS to the internet.
So good so far. Then Pocket outlook has finished, it does not disconnect.
Is there a setting, which I missed, or is it a bug?
Please help.
regards,
Silver

Hey Silver,
check this posting
http://xda-developers.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1822
for now and you could find and anwser. Its considered as a bug for the time being and there is a temp. solution for it.
:wink:

Thanks ARZLEB,
I looked on http://www.pocketpcfreewares.com
for spb gprs traffic monitor but I didn't find it. Do you know where I can get it from?
regards,
Silver

Send me a private msg here with your email and i will email it to you later on today its not a big file...

@all:
why is it concerned to be a bug.... i don't see it that way. GPRS is imho an "always on" technology. why should one want to disconnect it.
imho wm2003 uses more of that "push" technology that pushes emails ect from the serve to your pocketpc as soon as they arrive. that for the device has to be connected all the time.....
or maybe i'm totally wrong ) could be as well of course *g*
servus ize|man

Well simply because GPRS always on = battery concemption = less talk time.
Also sometimes GPRS always could make u miss a call... if there is any data activity and someone calls u at this moment it will sound like ur phone is either busy or OFF.
So i think u should have the ability to d/c ure GPRS session anytime u want!

@arzleb
aehmmm. are you sure you are right?
imho grps on is made possbile with the same mechanism that makes your gsm connected. so there should be no higher power drain. but i can't test that. it's just what i heard.
and you DEFINETLY get no "engaged" on the other side when you call a pocketpc that has a grps running grps connection. i just tested that again. gprs gets suspended when a call comes in. that's all. (i was d'ling a file when i called myself on the phone - it took some seconds more to get the call through though)
servus ize|man

Yeah i agree all that is true but u didnt take into consideration some of the Operator settings.
Here my operator settings for GPRS is that the party calling me while i am downloading a file gets an engaged or sometimes OFF tone.
What ure telling is the way it should be ... but its not the case everywhere!
:?

I think GPRS "Always-On" is how the device was intended to be & finally is almost 2years later! :evil:
To further illustrate GPRS has a ALWAYS been advertised as an "Always-On" service from it's conception. In addition almost all Mobile Phones implimenting GPRS technology have had this "Always-On" connectivity behavior from the beginning. It is simply an embarrassment to Microsoft that this standard function available on Mobile Terminals for over a year of the release of the XDA was finally instituted on this device. So this just appears to be something new to XDA users.
It does not effect your battery life any more than having your radio on.
If data cost is your concern use a CSD dial-up connection for your Inbox operations. There is an option in Inbox to choose which connection to use. The CSD function will act exactly as you are wishing it to. It will only take up to about 2.5 minutes of you talk time. I so far have not noticed a substantial increase in speed during Inbox operation using CSD verse GPRS.
To me I was furious that I had to wait as long as I did for the XDA to act like it's lesser Mobile Phone brothers. Personally the freedom of "Always-On" has changed the way I do business amazingly. The amount of freedom it provides me in giving me an almost "true-real-time" virtual office is incredible.
If data connection is a real tool to you, then you wont be able to live without a dedicated connection. If it is a novelty or cool factor, then you will always be worried about accumulating data costs, but don't worry if data usage is going to be successful for providers they are going to have to re-think their price structures (ala T-Mo unlimited) to eliminate or diminish this concern of customers if they want data services to be adopted by subscribers & simply to justify/recoup their cost to build these data networks. So be patient

if you have a program like messenger running it would have to send some data over GPRS once in awhile not sure how much it would be maybe
it's soo little it dont really matter
but if it's like one MB a week with XDA always on and GPRS always on
it would be pricy
a bit anyway

GPRS always on is a good thing, but at leased in Germany it is still very expensive.
So I like to have a option to switch it off.
GPRS monitor is really a cool tool for getting control over the GPRS costs.
Thanks 2 ARZLEB who pointed me the right direction.
regards
Silver

Silver its my pleasure anytime if i could help dont spare me
As to anwser the above posts about GPRS "always on" be sure that "always on" is used for the devices also that goes into Stand By therefor killing the active connection. Some of the ROMs from o2 and QTEK had this matter solved in the latest upgrades to keep GPRS always ON when device goes into stand by
BUT
What we are discussing here is the ability to d/c when we want! In the QTEK ROM 3.19 the GPRS always on would allow you to stay connected even when the device goes into stand by and also be able to d/c when u want. Also when sending and receiving email the device will connect and d/c as need it.
BUT
this isnt the case in WM2003 where u cant find a d/c button anywhere and that i consider wrong! Also taking into consideration that some countires GPRS is still expensive.
i hope you got my point on this matter - i can assure you its a bug and when talking to someone in the Mobile Division in Microsoft he assured me in an unofficial way that it is a bug...
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Sorry to change topics, but it is regarding GPRS. Does anyone have procedures on how to setup the GPRS connection. I loaded WM2003 4.20.1081 (Build 13100) and it seems to work great except no modem connection is setup.
Please help

What is the access point name for Tmobile?

I use internet2.voicestream.com or you can use wap.voicestream.com .
HTH

O2 3G and GPRS?

Since rebooting my O2 XDA Exec into Corporate mode, I seem to have no GPRS nor 3G setup as neither will connect to send MMS messages - any ideas?

Dude, corporate mode does not install any of your gprs and mms settings.
If you installed this mode to get rid of the dreadful o2 interface, you would be better installing basic mode.
This gets rid of the o2 rubbish but installs your gprs and mms settings.
Fatzzz

If your interested i have made a cab file with just the O2 connections settings app in it. None of the other Active stuff is there. I did try to upload it to tekguru but had problems so i have it on one of my websites here.
http://caravan-smart.co.uk/xda-exec.asp

Ahhhhh nice one dude, very helpful - just got to hope my area has 3G coverage now!!

Nice one - so after a hard reset you install corporate mode from the extended rom, then install your cab in personal and all will be set up? Does that include MMS as well as I had real troubles getting Pocket Outlook to see MMS account once in corporate mode and soft reset.
Will try it and see how it goes!
Nice one dude,
Fin

NO MATE, I think you'll find its BASIC mode as the chap says - Personal will shove all the O2 crap on there, whereas BASIC just puts the GPRS and 3G settings on - just done it and it works fine!!
HOWEVER when I try to start a 3G video call, it states "The 3G network is not available....", I don't quite get this 3G, do I have one connection that is either GPRS or 3G depending on signal, or are there two connections here, if so, how do I use each?
Anyone on O2 managed to get O2 Video Calling to work to another Exec?
Thanks mate!

No, I was referring to Dingo's cab, when you hard reset you select corporate mode with the code 0506 then run his cab, then as he says on his site, click Personal this time as his cab just contains the Connection settings. Just done it and all seems to be working well - thanks Dingo!!

Thanks for the CAB file, Dingo. Will try it out at the next hard reset.

Not sure if its me, but Hotmail from Pocket MSN seems to be playing up now - can anyone else report the same thing? It keeps freezing when I click on it and Pocket Outlook doesn't see the account.
Fin

Yep I have tried the O2 Exec to Exec video dialling. It was nice to try, but wasn't that great. And I think its now 50p per minute, so won't be doing it again in a hurry. :shock:
Cheers
Nasdaq

No apparently until March its charged at the same price as Voice Calls, also can be part of inclusive minutes for voice calls - after that time it'll be 50p as you say.

My mistake, was told differently by a friend. Still won't use it though, sound was delayed and not very clear. :roll:
Cheers
Nasdaq

Glad you find it of use.
The way i do it if i hard reset is after setting up the screen and the O2 stuff is about to install when you get the 3 second countdown i soft reset. This will give you a vanilla install of WM5 on your Universal and none of the Ext ROM will be installed.
This way though you do not get any of the pathces and fixes etc so i selectivly install them from the XDA Exec Ext ROM posted on the xda-dev ftp site
I then install the settings cab i made to enter my O2 Connection settings.
For the most part as described by others above you will probably be best to use corp mode for your initial setup. Then just choose pesonel when you run the CAB i made.
As far as i am aware you can still use this without a hard reset as it only installs the connections app. I have tested on mine and it was ok but would be interested if it works for others.

ashleyhall said:
NO MATE, I think you'll find its BASIC mode as the chap says - Personal will shove all the O2 crap on there, whereas BASIC just puts the GPRS and 3G settings on - just done it and it works fine!!
HOWEVER when I try to start a 3G video call, it states "The 3G network is not available....", I don't quite get this 3G, do I have one connection that is either GPRS or 3G depending on signal, or are there two connections here, if so, how do I use each?
Anyone on O2 managed to get O2 Video Calling to work to another Exec?
Thanks mate!
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3G coverage is still a bit thin with O2. If you look at the icon next to your phone signal strength it should read either G or U. If it is G then you are on their NON 3G network, if it displays U then you are on thei 3G network.
I am in a week 3G area at home and mine swaps between the 2 every few minutes.

Ahhhhh interesting...wonder why they chose 'U' for 3G..doesn't quite compute!
Looking forward to playing with 3G at some stage in the future then!

ashleyhall said:
Ahhhhh interesting...wonder why they chose 'U' for 3G..doesn't quite compute!
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'U' stands for UTMS, which is the system that we call 3G (or 3rd Generation). The 'G' stands for GSM, which is the 2nd generation networks we've all enjoyed using for the last 15 years.
ashleyhall said:
Looking forward to playing with 3G at some stage in the future then!
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I thought it might be fun too, but the truth is that I know hardly anybody with a video phone, and considering how unreliable the 3G coverage is around where I live (Sussex) it's unlikely to be much use anyway. The whole 3G premise is based on a gimmick IMHO rather than a genuine consumer need. Sure, the data rates are faster and in time this will be a good driver for the technology, but then they charge us a fcuking fortune to use it, so only a handful of people bother. Madness.

Video calling works across networks. I have found many of my relatives have 3 3G mobile phones and are able to receive video calls from me (as on Vodafone video calls are free for a short period and on O2 the rate is the same as voice calls). O2 and Vodafone UMTS download speeds are good (coverage in London is resonable and in Berkshire).

not working
have tried this - I cant connect at all - after hard reseting in corporate then running this cab and setting to personal - it tries to dial mobile web but says it cant connect for an unknown reason - any ideas

Vanilla
works ok on vanilla install - it seems since this thread was started ON hav changed some thing but this cab has no problems after vanilla installl only after corporate - I am gonna run the bug fixing cabs etc in the ext rom manually !!!

My GPRS still aint configured correctly - it connects fine but I get no internet access, its as if the proxy is configured wrong?
Is there a cab that puts the correct 3G and GPRS settings onto my phone without any user configuration required? (and without mucking up my system).

Trinity data link and lost calls problems

Hi all
I am wondering about the purchase of a Trinity. Someone, on an italian forum, has posted the problem of incoming calls lost (the caller receives a busy line signal or the phone results unreachable) while the phone has a data connection active (apparently only an HSDPA one). Has any one observed a similar problem ?
Thank you everyone.

hawk971 said:
Hi all
I am wondering about the purchase of a Trinity. Someone, on an italian forum, has posted the problem of incoming calls lost (the caller receives a busy line signal or the phone results unreachable) while the phone has a data connection active (apparently only an HSDPA one). Has any one observed a similar problem ?
Thank you everyone.
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This is standard behaviour when transferring data over 2G GPRS. It should not happen on 3G. I have received phone calls while using 3G data and the phone rang as normal.... I can't report about HSDPA (is there a simple way to check if HSDPA is actually used?)

anonimo said:
This is standard behaviour when transferring data over 2G GPRS...
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No, it's not, voice calls always have higher priority even in 2G networks.
Can someone else confirm this issue with Trinity?

banesi said:
No, it's not, voice calls always have higher priority even in 2G networks.
Can someone else confirm this issue with Trinity?
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Well.... it's the third time in a few days in this forum that I post something and I am told that I am wrong. The previous two times in the end I happened to be right, so according to statistics I should indeed be wrong this time!
However I think I might be right this time too! The standard behaviour with GPRS sessions is that they are interrupted when they are idle and an incoming call is received; if data is being transferred then the phone will be busy.
Obviously for outgoing calls the phone will stop the data session when you want to make a call.
(All this for GPRS on GSM)
PS: You don't believe me try to use a GSM phone as GPRS modem for a PC, start a large file transfer and try to receive a call.

anonimo said:
PS: You don't believe me try to use a GSM phone as GPRS modem for a PC, start a large file transfer and try to receive a call.
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Well, since I use GPRS internet for more than 3 years actively and have changed a couple of phones already I must say that GPRS system is projected in a way that voice calls are priority in any situation. In this years I have found that sometimes my phone is not reachable when I'm connected to a GPRS but that percentage is rather small, could be some other problems related to a base stations.
In your case I would think of contacting your operator, change phone or just change a carrier, being unreachable during GPRS sessions is something that I will characterized as bug, at least. NHF

banesi said:
In your case I would think of contacting your operator, change phone or just change a carrier, being unreachable during GPRS sessions is something that I will characterized as bug, at least. NHF
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You are right. It was a very common bug in the early Class B GPRS phones and I thought it was supposed to be like that, but indeed even a class B device should suspend the data session and ring when a call is received.
However I am reading in other forums that this is now happening again with HSDPA.... the joy of early adoption

anonimo said:
You are right. It was a very common bug in the early Class B GPRS phones and I thought it was supposed to be like that, but indeed even a class B device should suspend the data session and ring when a call is received.
However I am reading in other forums that this is now happening again with HSDPA.... the joy of early adoption
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I had some strange behavior like a busy signal when I had my phone set to 3G only, but I think it was because of marginal reception. I changed the frequencies to automatic and haven't had any problems since.

hawk971 said:
Hi all
I am wondering about the purchase of a Trinity. Someone, on an italian forum, has posted the problem of incoming calls lost (the caller receives a busy line signal or the phone results unreachable) while the phone has a data connection active (apparently only an HSDPA one). Has any one observed a similar problem ?
Thank you everyone.
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Hello hawk971,
I have the exact same experience while being persistently connected on the Swedish HSDPA network (Hi3G) I cannot receive or even make calls, most of the time. It's like i can sometimes manage to "slip through" with a call, and even an incoming call can get through if i'm lucky. I have figured out that if i end the data connection and make the call, i can re-login with the connection and keep babbling on the phone.
The problem started to appear right after we moved to a different area where HSDPA is deployed, at first the problem was very sproadic, but now the network is growing, so does the blocked calls.
Luckily i get an sms from the 3 network saying that someone has tried to call without leaving a message, otherwise i'd be clueless.
I have considered contacting 3 operator to discuss this, but i reckon i might loose the HSDPA access then because i have only 3G subscription but somehow my phone (which is purchased without operator lock and not from 3) snaps right onto the HSDPA access nevertheless. I have a consistent 1Mbits/s DOWNLINK and 350kbits/s UPLINK connection while running TPTEST on the laptop and using the P3600 with internet sharing and USB-cable.
I so would like to be able to stay on the HSDPA but right now i am considering to drop the high-speed since the phone part is basically rendered useless. I am also using GpsGate in the car, so my internet is always on, transmitting position, i guess that makes the problem worse. I might have to drop that...
I had a friend told me he had the same problem with TyTn and Hi3G here in Gothenburg. That makes me think that there's no particular problem with my phone. Rather it's a network problem that they yet have to solve.
Anyway, that's a long post!
P.S. Does anyone know how i can disable/enable HSDPA on the P3600 easily?
Cheerio

just remove link to "enableHSDPA.exe" in \windows\startup folder and soft reset you phone.

I can't find this file (enableHSDPA.exe) anywhere in my P3600....

Bump!
SecureGSM can you please elaborate a bit on this .exe file. I have a standard HTC P3600 and I don't see this file anywhere in the file system.

i'd like to know how i enable HSDPA on my HTC P3600. has anyone had success doing so?

try the fit4cat regedit program

MontAlbert said:
try the fit4cat regedit program
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I recently installed the fit4can or HTweakC as it is now called from here
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Registry. It allows you to turn off HSDPA and do other tweaks to your Trinity. No harm is done since you can turn the HSDPA back on again anytime. Since I upgraded to the new 1.38 Radio, I was picking up HSDPA all the time at home, and every time my phone was auto checking email I'd miss calls. This HSDPA "feature" needs a little work.

GPRS (data) calls between WM6 phones

Hello all,
This is my first post here...I have a TYTN, and am looking at ways to call another tytn phone(or any wm6 actually) through gprs, so to use the charge per meg and not the phones charge per minute. Ive tried with Fring and skype mobile, both give terrible delays. Is this at all possible through GPRS/EDGE? (I dont enable 3G cos local provider having issues atm).
Is there no specific application for two WM6 phones to communicate using GPRS? Can anyone recommend any other applications to test?
Thanks in advance,
Sorry if this has been asked before, but I been looking and didnt find anything..

apocza said:
Hello all,
Is this at all possible through GPRS/EDGE? (I dont enable 3G cos local provider having issues atm).
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Read it from Skype.
http://www.skype.com/download/skype/mobile/tipsandtricks.html
Yes, you do need 3G for Internet calling. However, you can always turn to Wifi for Internet calling. Regardless you have WM5 or WM6, GPRS/EDGE just doesn't have enough bandwidth for VoIP.

CameoTabby said:
Read it from Skype.
http://www.skype.com/download/skype/mobile/tipsandtricks.html
...., GPRS/EDGE just doesn't have enough bandwidth for VoIP.
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EDGE has plenty of bandwith for VoIP, in particular if you use GSM codec. Just the latency isn't great, but it will do.
So if Skype doesn't work, consider SIP.

gprs dont connect 2 phones
it's only a internet connection
it's transparent to both devices if
they talk to a phone or a pc
the only way 2 phones maybe can talk data with eachother is the
old data gsm which is limited to 9600Kboud which is much much slower then even gprs

SIP internet calling etc
Can someone help me please. You know the internet calling option on WM6, how for the love of money do you use it. I got skype which i use but i got no idea what this internt calling option is for because i dont know how to use it. HELPPPPPP PLEASEEEEEe

Internet calling is for using witha SIP server such as FWD or an inhouse Asterik/LCS box.

Turning Off GPRS ???

Hello,
I have just got myself a universal, but I don't want to run up a huge bill with GPRS connecting to the web and other bits, so how do I disable it.
I only want to connect via Wi-fi and nothing else..... If there is no Wi-fi available I want to be able to then activate GPRS.
Do you sort of know where I am coming from.
Is there a way to tell on the front screen to check if its using GPRS or Wi-fi as wel?
BTW I am new to PDA's so please help me as much as you can.
Many thanks.

When I make a call is it gsm or gprs?
Is there a larger cost to GPRS calls? Is GPRS data?
If so, can I sort of disble it from connecting via this method.
I only want to make calls via gsm, and if I need tinternet I will use the wifi..
Please help... I dont want to get a huge bill when it comes in from work.,.,.,
*** I posted this because I realised I made a mistake in the 1st post, by getting GSM and GPS totally mixed up....***

Jimbo73 said:
When I make a call is it gsm or gprs?
Is there a larger cost to GPRS calls? Is GPRS data?
If so, can I sort of disble it from connecting via this method.
I only want to make calls via gsm, and if I need tinternet I will use the wifi..
Please help... I dont want to get a huge bill when it comes in from work.,.,.,
*** I posted this because I realised I made a mistake in the 1st post, by getting GSM and GPS totally mixed up....***
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quickest way to deactivate GPRS is just to delete it's profile under connection settings. should be easy enough to see but in some cases it may cause a problem when it comes to MMS as MMS is part GPRS even though they don't charge you per Mb like they do for browsing.
enjoy