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WM 2003 4.00.01 and GPRS

Hi,
Maybe its an odd question.....
When I press send&receive on my inbox my XDA connects via GPRS to the internet.
So good so far. Then Pocket outlook has finished, it does not disconnect.
Is there a setting, which I missed, or is it a bug?
Please help.
regards,
Silver

Hey Silver,
check this posting
http://xda-developers.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1822
for now and you could find and anwser. Its considered as a bug for the time being and there is a temp. solution for it.
:wink:

Thanks ARZLEB,
I looked on http://www.pocketpcfreewares.com
for spb gprs traffic monitor but I didn't find it. Do you know where I can get it from?
regards,
Silver

Send me a private msg here with your email and i will email it to you later on today its not a big file...

@all:
why is it concerned to be a bug.... i don't see it that way. GPRS is imho an "always on" technology. why should one want to disconnect it.
imho wm2003 uses more of that "push" technology that pushes emails ect from the serve to your pocketpc as soon as they arrive. that for the device has to be connected all the time.....
or maybe i'm totally wrong ) could be as well of course *g*
servus ize|man

Well simply because GPRS always on = battery concemption = less talk time.
Also sometimes GPRS always could make u miss a call... if there is any data activity and someone calls u at this moment it will sound like ur phone is either busy or OFF.
So i think u should have the ability to d/c ure GPRS session anytime u want!

@arzleb
aehmmm. are you sure you are right?
imho grps on is made possbile with the same mechanism that makes your gsm connected. so there should be no higher power drain. but i can't test that. it's just what i heard.
and you DEFINETLY get no "engaged" on the other side when you call a pocketpc that has a grps running grps connection. i just tested that again. gprs gets suspended when a call comes in. that's all. (i was d'ling a file when i called myself on the phone - it took some seconds more to get the call through though)
servus ize|man

Yeah i agree all that is true but u didnt take into consideration some of the Operator settings.
Here my operator settings for GPRS is that the party calling me while i am downloading a file gets an engaged or sometimes OFF tone.
What ure telling is the way it should be ... but its not the case everywhere!
:?

I think GPRS "Always-On" is how the device was intended to be & finally is almost 2years later! :evil:
To further illustrate GPRS has a ALWAYS been advertised as an "Always-On" service from it's conception. In addition almost all Mobile Phones implimenting GPRS technology have had this "Always-On" connectivity behavior from the beginning. It is simply an embarrassment to Microsoft that this standard function available on Mobile Terminals for over a year of the release of the XDA was finally instituted on this device. So this just appears to be something new to XDA users.
It does not effect your battery life any more than having your radio on.
If data cost is your concern use a CSD dial-up connection for your Inbox operations. There is an option in Inbox to choose which connection to use. The CSD function will act exactly as you are wishing it to. It will only take up to about 2.5 minutes of you talk time. I so far have not noticed a substantial increase in speed during Inbox operation using CSD verse GPRS.
To me I was furious that I had to wait as long as I did for the XDA to act like it's lesser Mobile Phone brothers. Personally the freedom of "Always-On" has changed the way I do business amazingly. The amount of freedom it provides me in giving me an almost "true-real-time" virtual office is incredible.
If data connection is a real tool to you, then you wont be able to live without a dedicated connection. If it is a novelty or cool factor, then you will always be worried about accumulating data costs, but don't worry if data usage is going to be successful for providers they are going to have to re-think their price structures (ala T-Mo unlimited) to eliminate or diminish this concern of customers if they want data services to be adopted by subscribers & simply to justify/recoup their cost to build these data networks. So be patient

if you have a program like messenger running it would have to send some data over GPRS once in awhile not sure how much it would be maybe
it's soo little it dont really matter
but if it's like one MB a week with XDA always on and GPRS always on
it would be pricy
a bit anyway

GPRS always on is a good thing, but at leased in Germany it is still very expensive.
So I like to have a option to switch it off.
GPRS monitor is really a cool tool for getting control over the GPRS costs.
Thanks 2 ARZLEB who pointed me the right direction.
regards
Silver

Silver its my pleasure anytime if i could help dont spare me
As to anwser the above posts about GPRS "always on" be sure that "always on" is used for the devices also that goes into Stand By therefor killing the active connection. Some of the ROMs from o2 and QTEK had this matter solved in the latest upgrades to keep GPRS always ON when device goes into stand by
BUT
What we are discussing here is the ability to d/c when we want! In the QTEK ROM 3.19 the GPRS always on would allow you to stay connected even when the device goes into stand by and also be able to d/c when u want. Also when sending and receiving email the device will connect and d/c as need it.
BUT
this isnt the case in WM2003 where u cant find a d/c button anywhere and that i consider wrong! Also taking into consideration that some countires GPRS is still expensive.
i hope you got my point on this matter - i can assure you its a bug and when talking to someone in the Mobile Division in Microsoft he assured me in an unofficial way that it is a bug...
:wink:

Sorry to change topics, but it is regarding GPRS. Does anyone have procedures on how to setup the GPRS connection. I loaded WM2003 4.20.1081 (Build 13100) and it seems to work great except no modem connection is setup.
Please help

What is the access point name for Tmobile?

I use internet2.voicestream.com or you can use wap.voicestream.com .
HTH

GRPS always on even when I make a phone call

Hello,
Well everything said in the subject,
I would like to be able to surf internet in GPRS when I am making a phone call, I tried this but It it not working on my QTEK 9090 (PDA2K ....)
I know with the blackberry it is possible.
Is there any crack to allow this?
Thanks
Michael

GPRS is always turned off when gsm or sms is active it turn back on afterwards it's just how the std is

this is why i want to change the standard to leave it on

I believe he is saying it is the way the technology works. You can not be online via GPRS and be using the voice portion of the GSM service at the same time.

yes and no
following the specs of GPRS it is possible depends on the Class of gprs used
take a look at this link
http://www.gsm-technology.com/gsm.php/en,unlock,subpage_id,technologie_GPRS.html

micmic said:
yes and no
following the specs of GPRS it is possible depends on the Class of gprs used
take a look at this link
http://www.gsm-technology.com/gsm.php/en,unlock,subpage_id,technologie_GPRS.html
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You are correct in what you say, but it actually depends on the class of Device that you use. The RIM blackberry devices are able to keep GPRS on whilst also using the voice connection. The XDA range of devices can't do this I'm afraid.

Very good to know. Do the T-mobile Sidekicks support this class?

Trinity data link and lost calls problems

Hi all
I am wondering about the purchase of a Trinity. Someone, on an italian forum, has posted the problem of incoming calls lost (the caller receives a busy line signal or the phone results unreachable) while the phone has a data connection active (apparently only an HSDPA one). Has any one observed a similar problem ?
Thank you everyone.

hawk971 said:
Hi all
I am wondering about the purchase of a Trinity. Someone, on an italian forum, has posted the problem of incoming calls lost (the caller receives a busy line signal or the phone results unreachable) while the phone has a data connection active (apparently only an HSDPA one). Has any one observed a similar problem ?
Thank you everyone.
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This is standard behaviour when transferring data over 2G GPRS. It should not happen on 3G. I have received phone calls while using 3G data and the phone rang as normal.... I can't report about HSDPA (is there a simple way to check if HSDPA is actually used?)

anonimo said:
This is standard behaviour when transferring data over 2G GPRS...
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No, it's not, voice calls always have higher priority even in 2G networks.
Can someone else confirm this issue with Trinity?

banesi said:
No, it's not, voice calls always have higher priority even in 2G networks.
Can someone else confirm this issue with Trinity?
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Well.... it's the third time in a few days in this forum that I post something and I am told that I am wrong. The previous two times in the end I happened to be right, so according to statistics I should indeed be wrong this time!
However I think I might be right this time too! The standard behaviour with GPRS sessions is that they are interrupted when they are idle and an incoming call is received; if data is being transferred then the phone will be busy.
Obviously for outgoing calls the phone will stop the data session when you want to make a call.
(All this for GPRS on GSM)
PS: You don't believe me try to use a GSM phone as GPRS modem for a PC, start a large file transfer and try to receive a call.

anonimo said:
PS: You don't believe me try to use a GSM phone as GPRS modem for a PC, start a large file transfer and try to receive a call.
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Well, since I use GPRS internet for more than 3 years actively and have changed a couple of phones already I must say that GPRS system is projected in a way that voice calls are priority in any situation. In this years I have found that sometimes my phone is not reachable when I'm connected to a GPRS but that percentage is rather small, could be some other problems related to a base stations.
In your case I would think of contacting your operator, change phone or just change a carrier, being unreachable during GPRS sessions is something that I will characterized as bug, at least. NHF

banesi said:
In your case I would think of contacting your operator, change phone or just change a carrier, being unreachable during GPRS sessions is something that I will characterized as bug, at least. NHF
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You are right. It was a very common bug in the early Class B GPRS phones and I thought it was supposed to be like that, but indeed even a class B device should suspend the data session and ring when a call is received.
However I am reading in other forums that this is now happening again with HSDPA.... the joy of early adoption

anonimo said:
You are right. It was a very common bug in the early Class B GPRS phones and I thought it was supposed to be like that, but indeed even a class B device should suspend the data session and ring when a call is received.
However I am reading in other forums that this is now happening again with HSDPA.... the joy of early adoption
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I had some strange behavior like a busy signal when I had my phone set to 3G only, but I think it was because of marginal reception. I changed the frequencies to automatic and haven't had any problems since.

hawk971 said:
Hi all
I am wondering about the purchase of a Trinity. Someone, on an italian forum, has posted the problem of incoming calls lost (the caller receives a busy line signal or the phone results unreachable) while the phone has a data connection active (apparently only an HSDPA one). Has any one observed a similar problem ?
Thank you everyone.
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Hello hawk971,
I have the exact same experience while being persistently connected on the Swedish HSDPA network (Hi3G) I cannot receive or even make calls, most of the time. It's like i can sometimes manage to "slip through" with a call, and even an incoming call can get through if i'm lucky. I have figured out that if i end the data connection and make the call, i can re-login with the connection and keep babbling on the phone.
The problem started to appear right after we moved to a different area where HSDPA is deployed, at first the problem was very sproadic, but now the network is growing, so does the blocked calls.
Luckily i get an sms from the 3 network saying that someone has tried to call without leaving a message, otherwise i'd be clueless.
I have considered contacting 3 operator to discuss this, but i reckon i might loose the HSDPA access then because i have only 3G subscription but somehow my phone (which is purchased without operator lock and not from 3) snaps right onto the HSDPA access nevertheless. I have a consistent 1Mbits/s DOWNLINK and 350kbits/s UPLINK connection while running TPTEST on the laptop and using the P3600 with internet sharing and USB-cable.
I so would like to be able to stay on the HSDPA but right now i am considering to drop the high-speed since the phone part is basically rendered useless. I am also using GpsGate in the car, so my internet is always on, transmitting position, i guess that makes the problem worse. I might have to drop that...
I had a friend told me he had the same problem with TyTn and Hi3G here in Gothenburg. That makes me think that there's no particular problem with my phone. Rather it's a network problem that they yet have to solve.
Anyway, that's a long post!
P.S. Does anyone know how i can disable/enable HSDPA on the P3600 easily?
Cheerio

just remove link to "enableHSDPA.exe" in \windows\startup folder and soft reset you phone.

I can't find this file (enableHSDPA.exe) anywhere in my P3600....

Bump!
SecureGSM can you please elaborate a bit on this .exe file. I have a standard HTC P3600 and I don't see this file anywhere in the file system.

i'd like to know how i enable HSDPA on my HTC P3600. has anyone had success doing so?

try the fit4cat regedit program

MontAlbert said:
try the fit4cat regedit program
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I recently installed the fit4can or HTweakC as it is now called from here
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Registry. It allows you to turn off HSDPA and do other tweaks to your Trinity. No harm is done since you can turn the HSDPA back on again anytime. Since I upgraded to the new 1.38 Radio, I was picking up HSDPA all the time at home, and every time my phone was auto checking email I'd miss calls. This HSDPA "feature" needs a little work.

GPRS (data) calls between WM6 phones

Hello all,
This is my first post here...I have a TYTN, and am looking at ways to call another tytn phone(or any wm6 actually) through gprs, so to use the charge per meg and not the phones charge per minute. Ive tried with Fring and skype mobile, both give terrible delays. Is this at all possible through GPRS/EDGE? (I dont enable 3G cos local provider having issues atm).
Is there no specific application for two WM6 phones to communicate using GPRS? Can anyone recommend any other applications to test?
Thanks in advance,
Sorry if this has been asked before, but I been looking and didnt find anything..

apocza said:
Hello all,
Is this at all possible through GPRS/EDGE? (I dont enable 3G cos local provider having issues atm).
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Read it from Skype.
http://www.skype.com/download/skype/mobile/tipsandtricks.html
Yes, you do need 3G for Internet calling. However, you can always turn to Wifi for Internet calling. Regardless you have WM5 or WM6, GPRS/EDGE just doesn't have enough bandwidth for VoIP.

CameoTabby said:
Read it from Skype.
http://www.skype.com/download/skype/mobile/tipsandtricks.html
...., GPRS/EDGE just doesn't have enough bandwidth for VoIP.
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EDGE has plenty of bandwith for VoIP, in particular if you use GSM codec. Just the latency isn't great, but it will do.
So if Skype doesn't work, consider SIP.

gprs dont connect 2 phones
it's only a internet connection
it's transparent to both devices if
they talk to a phone or a pc
the only way 2 phones maybe can talk data with eachother is the
old data gsm which is limited to 9600Kboud which is much much slower then even gprs

SIP internet calling etc
Can someone help me please. You know the internet calling option on WM6, how for the love of money do you use it. I got skype which i use but i got no idea what this internt calling option is for because i dont know how to use it. HELPPPPPP PLEASEEEEEe

Internet calling is for using witha SIP server such as FWD or an inhouse Asterik/LCS box.

[Q] Only 3G for MMS

Is this possible?
Any chance of me being able to ONLY use my 3G connection to send and receive MMS messages but NOT FOR INTERNET BROWSING,APPS AND WIDGETS ETC? Operator costs are very high in my country so this would be great! Thanks in advance if anyone can help me out

why are you doing this .......lmao

Sounds like something tasker may be able to do. But might be a bit specific.
Just looked and there's no 3g switch. Sounds like a fair enough request to me. 3g for something you want done straight away. 2g for all the background stuff.
Sorry I can't help more
Sent from my HD2 running Darkstone Android

Not sure if this is what you want, but APNDroid will disable 3G data connection, but will still let you send and receive MMS.
I use it most of the time as the 3g data always on uses a lot of battery for no reason.
It's free from the market

the_scotsman said:
Not sure if this is what you want, but APNDroid will disable 3G data connection, but will still let you send and receive MMS.
I use it most of the time as the 3g data always on uses a lot of battery for no reason.
It's free from the market
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Yes, that's what I'm looking for. Well it's not for battery reasons, I'm charged € 4,99/hour and € 0,50/100 kB. So that's really expensive. I really hate the government for letting the operators get away with this.

In the settings menu simply activate mobile data when you wish to use it for MMS and disable it to avoid racking up charges. I don't use data either, wifi only. I am in a wifi area 90% of my day.