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Do you want the official Windows Mobile 5 rom for magician?

http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/3834.html
Forget it, now and ever...

they are not stuipd to give away WM2005 for free... they'll make us to buy it with new devices... just like WM2003SE.........

If Microsoft is serious about becoming the major supplier of operting systems for mobile devices (and with WM2005 I believe they are) they should definitely make it available for as many devices as possible. As long as the majority of PocketPC phone devices out there are using older versions of WM it will be harder for the operators to push new services that are only available in WM2005. And believe me, the operators do not profit from selling new phones, they benefit from charging for new services. Like push email, which I believe will be finally available in WM2005.

After hearing the news about my Magician, it's now on ebay and I will never buy any device relating to M$ ever again. To think, just ~6 months after it's release it's essentially unsupported is really crap. I've had no lucky, having been burnt previously by Compaq, Toshiba and now HTC I am going to now support the competition.

Unsupported? Relax man.. Just because they're developing a new OS they're not going to stop supporting the last one..
I sense that you're not the kind of guy that want a gadget to play with, but a stable phone. Personally I want to have a phone that I can tweak everything on. I'm rather used to buying cool things and growing tired of them in a couple of weeks, but I wasn't even tired of my iPAQ 5450 when I bought the Magician, and I doubt I'll stop playing with it until I buy my next MS based phone. Magician2?

they should definitely make it available for as many devices as possible
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they already did it.. Windows Mobile 5 is able to run on each mobile device that already runs wm2003..
Microsoft knows it.. BUT..M$ sells the software to HTC.. HTC then determines whether to make a rom for the older models (time and money consuming operation) or make new models (to sell) and forget the older ones.
What way do you think they'll prefer?
Maybe we'll see a magician running WM5 but this will be not an official rom.

The non Official roms are so much more stable.

Loboman said:
Unsupported? Relax man.. Just because they're developing a new OS they're not going to stop supporting the last one..
I sense that you're not the kind of guy that want a gadget to play with, but a stable phone. Personally I want to have a phone that I can tweak everything on. I'm rather used to buying cool things and growing tired of them in a couple of weeks, but I wasn't even tired of my iPAQ 5450 when I bought the Magician, and I doubt I'll stop playing with it until I buy my next MS based phone. Magician2?
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I've been down this before. Notable disasters came from Toshiba (dropping support for the e570 completely even when it was still for sale, they only provided SP1 for PPC2002 even though other vendors went as far as SP4), Compaq and now this. In fact I have owned 5 PPC devices before and the experience has not been staggeringly improved from model to model to leave me planning to buy another MS based phone, that's for sure. It's also worth noting that I have an O2 branded model... where's their update??? I ended up putting the QTek ROM on mine, it's taking forever for any improvements to be released officially via O2. Also, I have been reading on places like msmobiles that no Pocket PC Phone is planned to have a WM2005 update released. I take this as the market treating expensive smartphones just the same as they treat the bottom end of the market, which just doesn't wash with me. This thing is marketed as a portable computer and in many ways it is. I refuse to buy a marginal improvement to this PPC Phone in order to just get a slightly newer software experience.
I honestly don't know how you guys can just gleefully sit by, let it happen, and just plan what to buy next. I actually love gadgets, I have a PSP (which has already had a decent ROM update I might add and won't simply be superceded in 6 months ), an iPod (which just had another software update) so I expect more from such cash outlays. If you enjoy the state of things as they are, then all power to you I guess. :roll:

zetsurin said:
After hearing the news about my Magician, it's now on ebay and I will never buy any device relating to M$ ever again.
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I am just curious.. Why is it Microsoft's fault? I mean, they make the OS and sell it to the individual phone manufacturers to be tweaked for their specific devices. Shouldn't you be mad at HTC, Qtek, I-Mate and any other carrier/company that decides not to create a rom for that phone?
This isn't like a desktop OS that is for sale in the local computer store but was just not made to run on old computers. I am guessing WM5 will run on the Magician (especially those with the 128MB upgrade) however it is HTC that has decided to push sales of new phones then update existing lines with WM5.
Just my .02

Mashie said:
zetsurin said:
After hearing the news about my Magician, it's now on ebay and I will never buy any device relating to M$ ever again.
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I am just curious.. Why is it Microsoft's fault? I mean, they make the OS and sell it to the individual phone manufacturers to be tweaked for their specific devices. Shouldn't you be mad at HTC, Qtek, I-Mate and any other carrier/company that decides not to create a rom for that phone?
This isn't like a desktop OS that is for sale in the local computer store but was just not made to run on old computers. I am guessing WM5 will run on the Magician (especially those with the 128MB upgrade) however it is HTC that has decided to push sales of new phones then update existing lines with WM5.
Just my .02
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yup totally agree, only it's weard why they do that i think the magician has less problems with an update of WM5

Wizard or Athena?

I'm torn. Really torn.... anyone else facing this dilemma?

1) Do you want a keyboard? Yes->Question 2, No->Athena.
2) Can you wait until sometime in 2006? Yes->Hermes, No->Wizard.
That would be my logic.

I haven't heard about the Hermes......
I do want a keyboard. I bought my BlueAngel for that reason. However with the advent of the I-Tap input thing I would prob be ok without one.
Suppose I now have a third option to contemplate.
Hermes?
Lewis

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=730935
Some information for you:
Athena: XScale processor at 400Mz, EDGE, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, FM Radio, and a 2.1MP camera. No keyboard, just like the Magician, but it will be slimmer than it.
Hermes: just like Wizard, but has UMTS, front-facing camera, and a 2.1MP rear camera.
Not sure if they're dropping EDGE to put in UMTS, or if it will be a USA-friendly UMTS (unlikely, since we don't have our act together yet).
So, the Hermes is the Wizard's answer to the Universal, and the Athena is the sequel to the JAM.

I am unfamiliar with what EDGE and UMTS are..
However i gather they are some kind of 3G based technology, which I am not all that interested in.
I gather the Hermes will be a sort of 3G version of the Wizard. As I said i am not interested in 3G yet as i can't really see a use for it. As for an FM radio thats outdated now anyway! Surely it should have been a Digial Radio!!
In light of this I'll probably end up buying a Wizard. it suites my needs (because its basially a new Blue Angel) and I could do with a phone soon as my BA has almost toally packed up. But theres still nagging part of me that says may-be hold on for the Hermes.
Slightly off topic but I also breiefly considered the Universal. Until I realised it was THE single most ugly thing on the planet... seriously.
Lewis

Its not ugly, just huge!

I think it's both!
Especially when it's closed. Theres too much blank space around the screen....eww.
But anyway tis only my personal opinion ;-)
Lewis

Is there any hope Athena will be released before the end of the year?

O2 Said the Athena would be realeased about the 30th of October

O2 Said the Athena would be realeased about the 30th of October

BigDamHero said:
O2 Said the Athena would be realeased about the 30th of October
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You mean O2 Asia? This is good news, but I was rather referring to the release of a US or Europe model (SIM-unlocked). Any announced release date?

Decions,.Decisions.
The release of the news about the Athena, or XDA Atom, has completely confused me to.
However I have managed to rationalized it this way.
With intellipad, quickwiting, software, (especially quick writing, once you get used to it) and my think outside blue tooth fold out keyboard. don't really need keyboard.
Besides which it looks pretty fragile and it is just another thing that can go wrong or brake.
Without the keyboard I also get a smaller slimmer far more pocketable device to boot with a much stronger all metal case to boot (shame they did not keep the silver brushed aluminium).
What else do I gain, well a much faster CPU, a far superior camera and a proper SD card slot over the wizard, ard 128 Megs of ram, the long awaited in built WiFI, a built in radio and of course WM2005 over the Magacian,
So the choice for me will be to hang onto my XDA II for now and hang on for the XDA Atom to arrive in the UK, I just hope it does and I can get one on 02 contract to save myself a few pennies.
Thank for the chat guys
Regards Ash'e.

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You mean O2 Asia?
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Nope this what what I got from O2 UK. They said it was the tennative release date.
Lewis

Re: Decions,.Decisions.
Hey Sion
sion said:
The release of the news about the Athena, or XDA Atom, has completely confused me to.
However I have managed to rationalized it this way.
With intellipad, quickwiting, software, (especially quick writing, once you get used to it) and my think outside blue tooth fold out keyboard. don't really need keyboard.
Besides which it looks pretty fragile and it is just another thing that can go wrong or brake.
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I completely disagree. I have had my Blue Angel for a year and the keyboard is invaluable. I can type rediclously fast on it ;-)
Intelipad and Quickwriting etc. will never compare to an actual hardware keyboard. I use my phone to send 100s of SMSs a day (no really). Could NEVER do that without a proper hardware keyboard.
sion said:
What else do I gain, well a much faster CPU, a far superior camera and a proper SD card slot over the wizard, ard 128 Megs of ram, the long awaited in built WiFI, a built in radio and of course WM2005 over the Magacian,
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The processor in the Wizard has actually been benchmarked to be quite good. As someone else said in this forumn one day people will realise you cant just measure processing speeds in clock cycles. Take it from an Athlon 64 owner!
As for the camera they tend to be sh*t on all pocket pc devices becuse of the lense they put on them. Resolution doesnt come into it most of the time.
For me wanting a keyboard I think I'll probably get a wizard because it's a smaller version of my Blue Angel. Though it'll probably be on ebay when the Hermes comes out
Lewis

Have you tried Quickwriting Yet!
It may seem strange but I can beat most people on a slide out keyboard using quickwriting, it takes quite a lot of getting used to but once you get the knack it is unbelievabley quick.
You never take your stylus of the pad and it very quickly forms a highly efficient shorthand as you start to use it properly.
give it a try, don't try to rush & practice a litte bit each day and I guarantee that you will be pleasantly surprised within a couple of weeks plus because you don't take you're stylus of the pad you can use it on moviny London buses, whilst you are stood up in rush hour traffic between stops like I am now..
Regard Ash'e

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Nope this what what I got from O2 UK. They said it was the tennative release date.
Lewis
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It has not even been announced yet by O2 UK: will they really release a phone less than one month after announcement?
Are O2 phones sim-locked?

They Want it, just can't get it.
Just finished having supper with an O2 UK director (not marketing Dept), it appears that they do feel that that the XDA Atom, is going to be the ultimate lifestyle device & accessory, and a little more robust & a tadge more pocket friendly than the wizard & they are going to eventually add it to there UK product portfolio.
However with the device not even released yet & no real UK release dates truthfully on the horizon, & in there words: "our current XDA range is becoming slightly dated & cumbersome", they need to do something, and the Exec & Mini Pro appear to be the temporary solutions, until the Atom is released that is.
So I will forgoe the Mini Pro for now & stick to my dated XDA IIs in the hope that they secure some Atom stock and release dates soon, also have spoken to people who already have their Wizards and the general concensus is that the slide out keyboard is very fragile, so I think it is time to start investigating when & how to lay my hands on an XDA Atom. I still want that holy grail of smartphones & I think the Atom is going to be pretty damn close to it so.
It always taken more courage to dare to be right, than fear to be wrong.
So by hook or by crook Atom it is then.
Regards Ash'e

Hmmm.
I remain unconvinced by the Atom/Athena.
If I wait for anything I'll wait for the Hermes. It actually brings something new to the table.
Decisions Decisions!
Lewis

ATHENA
THE GODDESS OF WISDOM WHO WILL REIGN OVER ALL.
BLESS-UP.

Things look clearer now
After reading the reviews other people have given about there Recently purchased Wizards on the other forum I passed this comment:
Fantastic reviews chaps, everything I wanted to here, so in light of all that when and how can we all get our hands on HTC Athenas or XDA Atoms, it would appear every gripe here would be answered quite easily by purchasing an Atom, better size, lack of keyboard, faster CPU, more robust and ergonomic build and feel, 2.0 camera, these are you're thoughts not mine, all we all really wanted anyway was a HTC Magician with Built in WiFi, 128 megs of ram and WM2005 and in the Atom were getting it and a few extra bits all in that Magician size we new & loved.
As I said in a previous post: It always takes more courage to dare to be right, than fear to be wrong.
Regards Ash'e

MDAcompact 2 with winmobile 2005 out in November in Germany

The word is out!!! :
German tmobile is offering the mdacompact 2 around middle of november 2005.
Specs:
128mb
Windows mobile 2005!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seemingly NO wlan!!!!
See photo from official catalogue:

thats a joke... isn't it
no wlan... than i see no serious reason to buy an mdac2 instead an mdac1... only because of 128mb an wm05...

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thats a joke... isn't it
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No, its not a joke!!!
The employees couldnt tell me a price yet, and the catalogue definately does not show specifications with wlan!!!!
I asked the employees and they couldnt find wlan either.
You should be able to pick up the catalogue yourself at your favourite tmobile store within the next few days.
Greetings

No wifi for any new PPC phone is a joke, saying that, no EDGE is aswell!
I wonder, would the MDA2 rom work on the normal magician.... cause if it has no wifi module wouldnt it be just ur run-of-the-mill Qtek S110 / upgraded magician?

If this is the real deal, there wouldn't be much reason for current Magician owners to update. But at least they could keep on selling this very popular phone for some time yet, provided they dump the price.
And why shouldn't they? Surely they have made enough money already on the Magician, so whatever they can get in on v2, is just an welcome bonus.
If the WM5 rom can be installed on the current Magicians, they would even get a very happy userbase, which most likely would choose the same brand again
Btw, have you noticed the lower two buttons are the same as on the current Magician? Oh well, guess we shouldn't read too much into this early picture...

This product is similar to the i-mate New Jam with 128mb ram and WM2003SE, I have this device and it is very nice,very stable and i love it.
The only difference is WM5 and if they do release it then we all can have WM5 on our devices.

It's coming out in the UK too, but in a different colour.....

I wouldn't presume you'll be able to upgrade a Magician with a Magician2 ROM. After all you can't upgrade a Himilaya with an Alpine ROM.
Unless of course it really is exactly the same device - with WM5?

Well, it LOOKS to be the exact same device. If they did any upgrades, wouldn't they advertise it?
After the Raptor hoax I guess most people don't wanna get their hopes up again, but I find this thing very interesting

For all disbelievers
@all,
stop doubting!
here you see main cataloge page and specs page:
note: specs page does not state wlan, while other machine specs does!!!
just changed specs page to full page
Greetings

The second ad also states "extensible memory". They wouldn't refer to the SD slot, would they?

Chatty said:
The second ad also states "extensible memory". They wouldn't refer to the SD slot, would they?
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Yes they do,
extensible memory = sd-io/mmc slot.

But SD is not usual memory, it is storage.
But I wouldn't be surprised it marketing is mixing it "accidentally" up... :roll:

We're in November today ... can't wait to see how this develops!!!

shafez - does it have built in wifi?
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If that's the new MDA Compact II, why is the spec on the below different?
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4493.html
It claims to have Wifi and the two buttons seem to have different functions than this German one.

Ahh yes. "reliable" msmobiles.... ahem

ibanyard said:
Ahh yes. "reliable" msmobiles.... ahem
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:lol: :lol: 8)

Yeah- the German one seems more convincing...

Yayyy its november already, c'mon you guys on germany, get this phone so we can "exam" it!!

Any news about Wizard successor/upgrade?

Hi all, will the Wizard get a processor upgrade in the future or will it stays the same as it is? I just got hired by my fiance's uncle as an assistant manager (in training), and one of the prerequisite to work is having a PDA-Phone powered by Windows Mobile to run a custom-built in-house software to monitor sales and stuff. But the problem is, the software only run "best" on any Xscale based device, and it is reportedly work too sluggish on Ipaq 6300 series. My boss had used the 6300 and gave it up for a used XDA II, where the software runs flawlessly.
I love the Wizard a lot from physical point of view. It's compact, and have a built in keyboard which is necessary for me because I will be inputting text a lot on the go. But the processor left me but no choice to choose another device. So what I need now is a GSM based Windows Mobile PDA-Phone with built in keyboard and compact in size... I know that the Wizard is the only solution for me, but are there any news or rumours hinting about the availability of compact GSM Windows Mobile PDA-Phone with built-in keyboard? I've tried the Universal... And err.. Too big for my taste, and I have bad experience with my previous device, the Blue Angel.

The successor is the HTC Hermes, and T-Mobile is calling it the MDA Vario II in Europe. Here's some hands-on and great pictures. Me wanty!
http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/09/hands-on-with-the-htc-hermes-t-mobile-mda-vario-ii/

:shock: That's it! That's what I've been searching for a while now. I also just stumbled upon this forum HTC Hermes info here.
Wow... It supports 3G too are there any word when will it be released worldwide? As I live in Indonesia. I might just pass on buying Sony Ericsson P990i for the Hermes.

Windows Mobile 7 announced for the HD ?

Hello all, Windows Mobile 7 is announced to be available this year. It seems that it will be a lot more "finger friendly". The Touch HD would fit it very well.
In fact, I'm currently a Kaiser owner, and I planned to buy a Touch HD but I'm a bit disapointed (as always with HTC !!!) about its graphical performances.
Touch HD owners still need to convert video files for the Touch HD to read them at a good speed ... A shame !!!! I had an Axim x50v 4 years ago which was able to read any VGA DivX without any convertion and it was really fast, no lags.
So I can deal with the bad video performances (I already do with my Kaiser ...) but I need a major change in the general usage of the device compared to my Kaiser.
That's why I would be glad to see Windows Mobile 7 announced for the Touch HD, it may be the thing which would decide me to buy a Touch HD.
Does anyone know if HTC plan to upgrade the Touch HD with Windows Mobile 7 when it will be available ?
Thanks !

Windows 7?
Where? I thought was delayed for 2010 and that they will release soon windows 6.5... Did I miss something

In fact Windows Mobile 8 was delayed for 2010 (and maybe later !). What I read so far is that Windows Mobile 7 should be available in the middle of 2009.
EDIT : New news -> you're right, wm 6.5 announced to come before 7 ... 7 delayed for 2010 ...

dizzy33 said:
In fact Windows Mobile 8 was delayed for 2010 (and maybe later !). What I read so far is that Windows Mobile 7 should be available in the middle of 2009.
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what you read is incorrect. WM7 is for 2010, Q4 of 2009 at the EARLIEST. and to your original question. WM7 may require a different set of hardware to be completely finger friendly, ie no more resistive touch screen. but that's not to say people here can't hack it and port it to a legacy product (ie. touch HD) by the time WM7 comes out

About the date for WM 7, take a look at my EDIT section in my previous post ...
I've already noticed it changed, but thanks anyway ...
About the hardware, I'm not sure it may need a different hardware because it is said that Microsoft developped an application which use the camera as a G-Sensor ... So they may do their best for this O.S. to be compatible with old style hardware ...
So now the question is : will HTC offer a WM 6.5 upgrade for the Touch HD ... Not sure cause it may be there too late ...

Hm, i think the 6.5 will be published in Spring/Summer 09, so it could be possible.
Greets
John

i think htc will offer a update cause t-mobile will release the HD with android so they have to do sth for satisfy the customers with win mobile

kerni said:
i think htc will offer a update cause t-mobile will release the HD with android so they have to do sth for satisfy the customers with win mobile
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Where did u see this.

And sorry to take the air out your balloon
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Where did u see this.
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Fact:
He totaly made that up, there have been some renderings of what the G2 MAY look like and many people took it upon themselves to photoshop The Beast running the Android OS. Don't get your hopes up.
(My) Sepculation:
You'll probably see the G1 come out with 5 more colors, and 10 more OTAs before you ever find out what a G2 looks like.
Sources:
http://twitter.com/htc/statuses/948774282
Not to mention that HTC specifically said that they did not manufacture the Black Stone with a radio module supporting the US 3G frequencies. So I doubt T-Mobile would Market any device going foward as running on G2/Edge
I hope you find this helpful (And sorry to take the air out your balloon)

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I'm not sure it may need a different hardware because it is said that Microsoft developped an application which use the camera as a G-Sensor
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Hmm. Camera tracking applications kill the battery _very_ quickly and obviously don't work in bad light conditions or against blank surfaces with no pattern.
The HD has a g-sensor anyway, so that shouldn't be an issue.

i've also read on numerous websites that theres the chance that t-mobile may be running android on touch HD.
also the HD is definitly coming out on t-mobile in the next 2 months

dizzy33 said:
About the date for WM 7, take a look at my EDIT section in my previous post ...
I've already noticed it changed, but thanks anyway ...
About the hardware, I'm not sure it may need a different hardware because it is said that Microsoft developped an application which use the camera as a G-Sensor ... So they may do their best for this O.S. to be compatible with old style hardware ...
So now the question is : will HTC offer a WM 6.5 upgrade for the Touch HD ... Not sure cause it may be there too late ...
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the time stamp sais your last edit was after my post. but regarding the hardware difference: microsoft never specifies the HW requirement to end customers because we don't get to purchase the OS. they do specify to the manufactures of the phones. it's the same reason why your PC hardware requirement changes for Windows 2000 and Windows Vista. I'm sure you can some what run Vista on a machine built for Win 2K, but your experience will be limited. So I was just saying that some hackers here can port the WM7 to Touch HD, even though Touch HD is not designated to run WM7.
Requirement wise, I am _speculating_ that it will need a better CPU/graphics chip, amongst other things. the current Qualcomm chip 's graphic capability just plain sucks, the CPU power also isn't the best. Horse power by horsepower, a Qualcomm 500 MHz is much slower than a Marvel/Intel PXA 500 Mhz. I believe WM7 will have more graphics requirement: here's my logic:
- Up till WM6.1 (possibly 6.5), the max resolution supported is 800x480 (which is ok), but he color depth is only 65000, which is low. Iphone supports 262000, i'm sure MS will be going after at least that.
- ever since phones/PDA moved form QVGA to VGA and WVGA, the graphics suffered, and understandbly so. though not microsoft's fault directly. people started saying "my WM phone/PDA is slow" and put the blame on MS. So MS will be clearing their name and restricting manufactures from putting their OS on a non-suitable device
so the above two points just to show you in the graphics department there may be a HW requirement. can you run it on a phone that doesn't fit the requirement? suuuuure, just that the experience won't be as good.
and finally, the news yesterday confirmed my suspicious is that HTC just dumped Qualcomm (not 100% dump though) as the sole CPU/chip provider due to their performance. Given that a product stays in incubation (for prototyping QA, testing, beta, etc etc) for 6 to 8 month before it hits the market. I believe HTC is prototyping the new devices with WM6.5 and perhaps even WM7, and found the performance with Qualcomm chip lacking. hence hardware requirement.

Site your sources.
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i've also read on numerous websites that theres the chance that t-mobile may be running android on touch HD.
also the HD is definitly coming out on t-mobile in the next 2 months
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I don't mean to be rude, but what part don't you understand that the the Touch HD has hardware limitation not allowing it to take advantage of US 3G frequencies
If you read my previous post you'll see an official announcement from HTC themselves supporting my comment.
The HTC will not see the light of day in the United States, In the US there are 2 GSM Carriers ATT and T-Mobile
ATT won't relesase because it directly competes (and probably breeches) their contract with Apple
And, when was the last time you seen T-Mobile release a beefy smartphone, the smartest phone they have is the Wing, and that's a joke in terms of Harware.
Site your sources before you make such claims sir.

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That comment is a joke, where are you sources.

I guess there are a lot of Wishful thinkers on this thread.

fnordelus said:
I don't mean to be rude, but what part don't you understand that the the Touch HD has hardware limitation not allowing it to take advantage of US 3G frequencies
And, when was the last time you seen T-Mobile release a beefy smartphone, the smartest phone they have is the Wing, and that's a joke in terms of Harware.
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What makes you think he is talking about the US market? There are other countries out there you know
I was told by around 5 people from T-Mob UK retentions that it was in the testing phase, and they could offer it to me around March. This could possibly have been conjecture to try and get me to stay, but if you look at the link below, you will see a trend.
As an aside, T-Mob UK have released all major "beefy" smartphones. - http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/pay-monthly/all/all/

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What makes you think he is talking about the US market? There are other countries out there you know
I was told by around 5 people from T-Mob UK retentions that it was in the testing phase, and they could offer it to me around March. This could possibly have been conjecture to try and get me to stay, but if you look at the link below, you will see a trend.
As an aside, T-Mob UK have released all major "beefy" smartphones. - http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/pay-monthly/all/all/
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You're absolutely right, that's my bad!
I actually did forget that T-Mobile is outside of the US, please excuse my stroke of ignorance.
I feel extra stupid because I actually have a German-T-Mobile Branded MDA Pro that I had to replace the keyboard for (to a qwerty keybord)
Me <---- Fail!

Schooleydoo said:
What makes you think he is talking about the US market? There are other countries out there you know
I was told by around 5 people from T-Mob UK retentions that it was in the testing phase, and they could offer it to me around March. This could possibly have been conjecture to try and get me to stay, but if you look at the link below, you will see a trend.
As an aside, T-Mob UK have released all major "beefy" smartphones. - http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/pay-monthly/all/all/
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Aditionally, you're double right!
Becuase T-Mobile UK does have a history of releasing beefy smarthphones, I just got my ass handed to me.
When it comes to mobile devices (my passion) it SUCKS to be an American.
Everytime I wip out my BlackStone, or even my XDA iis I get some ****-head who says "is that an iPhone?" or even worse "Is that an iPhone imitation?"
So, again, excuse my stroke of ignorance.

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Everytime I wip out my BlackStone, or even my XDA iis I get some ****-head who says "is that an iPhone?"
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HAHA oh man I get the same thing all the time!
The annoying thing is it's surprisingly hard to say "HTC Touch HD" properly coherantly without sounding weird due to the cacophony of hard syllables!
Something interesting to note about WiMo 6.5 and the Touch HD is in reference to Pocket Internet Explorer 6. Microsoft have stated that their new mobile browser won't be released for use on any device due to hardware limitations of current devices - but there HAS been a ROM released by a microsoft developer for the Touch HD ONLY that DOES include the new Pocket IE...
My theory is that 6.5 will be held by microsoft for use on higher spec future handsets only, but the Touch HD will be allowed a possibly semi-official update. (maybe in the guise of a ROM by a microsoft developer like PIE6)
Something else to bear in mind, the Hermes was in mid life cycle when WiMo6 was released and HTC duly released a free upgrade from the pre-existing version 5 so there's a possibility they might do something similar for the HD.
All speculation and hope of course...

Here are some images of what WM7 might look like. Check out the Word 2007 picture. It looks like it has a lot of menu options.
http://cybernetnews.com/2008/01/07/windows-mobile-7-images-leaked/