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XDA II vs Sony Ericsson P800

Hi
I have an XDA for over a year and am very happy and impressed with it.
I am looking forward to the new XDA II and am almost certainly going to get one. Before I fork out for one I have considered buying a Sony Ericsson P800 which has similar functionality.
I know the XDA II runs on WMPPC 2003 and the P800 runs on the symbian platform, but this doesnt mean a lot to me.
Could anyone suggest in suer terms the differences and dis / advantages of one device over the other.
Thaks for your time if you can help !
Cheers
Ric

For my 2 cents worth.........the XDA is compatable with a plethora of software across the spectrum, games, comms, databases, etc etc, the amount of freeware for the ppc platform is staggering. If you use your machine for the inbuilt functionality then it makes no difference, but I use mine for allsorts, including GPS navigation, it cost a very small amount to add the hardware and the software is freely available or very cheap. Also with the launch of the XDA2 it usually follows that the XDA1 will come down in price. I just bought a new XDA, boxed immaculate for £150, now that is value. You may have noticed, I admire this little machine greatly, I also admire the people that are able to add usability and value to it by sheer determination coupled with amazing technical know how. If the manufacturer of the XDA teamed up with the XDA developers we would see something special.

One of my friends bought a P800 and had loads of probs with it. They replaced the unit a couple of times and then he sent it back and replaced it with an IPAQ and a bluetooth phone combi.

I have both the XDA and the p800. Let me start by saying that the XDA wins without a doubt.
If you are looking for a phone with some PDA functions, then go for the p800. If you use your pda alot, the XDA is for you.
I found the p800 to be too slow as a PDA. Using downloaded apps are problematic, and of course, the amount of software available is limited when compared to pocketpc.

Crusin Thru, SPS and XDA Rocks,
Thanks for takin the time to reply. As you are unanimous in your opinions you have convinced me.
The XDA II it is !
You can preorder them from a number of online suppliers, but my favourite is www.expansys.com. Great site with excellent info and Customer service.
Once again thanks for you input
Cheers Ric.
PS Perhaps as expected at this site.............Nobody thought the P800 was the best!

CAN THE XDA2 RUN ON SYMBIAN OS

I AM DEBATING WHICH PDA TO PURCHASE EITHER AN XDA2 OR THE P900, I PREFER THE XDA2 BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE ALOT MORE SOFTWARE AVAILABLE ON THE SYMBIAN OS. SO I WAS WONDERING IF I COULD RUN THE SYMBIAN OS ON THE XDA2. APPOLOGIES IF THIS IS A DUMB QUESTION, IM NEW TO THIS! PS DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN BUY A QTEK2020:?

Symbian or WM2003?! Please!
I suspect you are coming from a Symbian background. Buy XDA2. Inspite of all what you might have heard, MS Windows Mobile beats any other Mobile OS. I talk as a person who had gone through all there is, Psion 5mx, m130, Treo 180, Sony Clie NR70V, Ipaq, XDA etc. I actually prefer XDA1 to P900. WM may have fewer number of software titles (though I doubt that strongly) but it has the most EXCITING collection.

Symbian vs MS Mobile
Symbian devices has one huge advantage - they don't loose their programs when the battery goes dead.
Also, the OS is by far more stable than Windows and generally more easy to learn and maintain.
But, unfortunately, many of the exciting applications as Abbas points out are running Windows Mobile, so this is where I am at the moment.
I would love a Symbian PDA with XDA II capabilities, perhaps the next Nokia Communicator. At the moment I very satisfied with my XDA II
Abbas: I love your tag line, I quite agree, Palestine has been used for decades as an excuse to commit violence. I wish they could come to an agreement down there.
Regards
Michael

Correct
You got my tilt correct. Symbian may be everything that you have said, but I found windows mobiles softwares better, and I also hate symbian phone makers lack of standard. Nokia or siemens will use multimedia card, while SonyErricson stuck to ultra propietary memory stick duo. If you change from XDA to HP928, to MPx200 or e100, most of the accessories you have invested in (memory cards, wifi or bluetooth cards etc) will continue to be useful.

i'm almost 100% sure that if sony makes a mw2003 pda/phone then it too will use memory stick it's their std they will never stop hunting you hhmpf i mean pushing it

Re: Symbian vs MS Mobile
bodstrup said:
Symbian devices has one huge advantage - they don't loose their programs when the battery goes dead.
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That's a limitation of the hardware, not the OS. There could be a Pocket PC device that uses 100% nonvolatile memory instead of battery-powered RAM. But that device would be more expensive.

symbian
i have had 3 three years using a symbian system the wm is much more user friendly and interacts with my desktop a lot easier i would be slow going back to a symbian system 2 of my colegues at work have p800 and they love the xda and one of them is about to change to a xda ( the otherrs too tight ).
regards kevin b

choosing decision: XDA2 vs P900

Good Day to you all.
This is my first post here as i joined just now because of an ongoing promo on XDA2 and P900 in SMART Philippines.
I am a avid :shock: SMARTPHONE user, Tanager E100, is and was my previous unit UNTIL im gonna decide to go for either XDA2 or P900.
Now, I wouldn't have registered here if I didn't LIKE the XDA2, however since MOST of you here are already experienced users, I would like to ask ALL of you TO HELP me COMPARE the two units and SHOW the GOOD as well as the BAD sides of each. Pocket PC / Communicators are a new field for me as I am a SMARTPHONE user.
Thats where I need your INPTS. Thank you.

It really depends on whether you want a fantastic pda with a built in phone function (XDAII) or a phone with a built in pad function (P900). The 'built in' part being compromised on both machines.
I personally have have all of Nokia's Communicator series and both types of XDA and having seen and used a friend's P900, I would definately recommend the XDAII.

Thanks, I need more info though.
Thanks, Now for Techies, The SPECS say that:
XDA2 has 400MHZ Intel PSX??? processor whereas SE P900 has 154Mhz ARM10 processor. How does this compare?
This sounds like comparing a MAC and a PENTIUM based PC does it?
And which has the larger market support Windows Mobile 2003 or Symbian Technology?
Hope I get your comments, Thanks.

chameleon
They're both ARM processors, so no it's not like the difference between 680??/PowerPC MACs and 80x86/Pentium IBM PCs - There is a REAL speed difference here.
I would think that the 'largest' market base is with Symbian as it's used in lots of phones and not just the P800/P900s (they're just the top end). Consider that most of the current Nokia (who are the largest global supplier of mobile phones) use the Symbian OS and that there are FAR more Mobile Phones than PDAs

jwealthall said:
I would think that the 'largest' market base is with Symbian as it's used in lots of phones and not just the P800/P900s (they're just the top end). Consider that most of the current Nokia (who are the largest global supplier of mobile phones) use the Symbian OS and that there are FAR more Mobile Phones than PDAs
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I'd have to disagree with that view, yes there are more Symbian based phones than there are WM2003 based phones but only a few Symbian handsets have any real PDA functionality.
The PocketPC userbase is vast and growing with a huge array of applications, utilities etc, far in excess of that available for P800/P900's.

Griffog,
I agree, when comparing P800/P900 numbers to Pocket PC numbers then there are far more Pocket PCs .... Although I wouldn't like to guess that this were true for Pocket PC Mobiles.
Yes, there would be a far greater range of applications for Pocket PCs although far fewer mobile specific ones.
At the end of the day, I'd personally choose an XDA type device - I just wish that the specification meant that you didn't loose all your software/data when the device ran out of power - In this day and age that is quite simply rediculous!!!

Thanks a lot folks, JWEATHALL and GRIFFOG and XDA-ROCKS
British/English Folks help a lot, dont they? im still waiting for replies from other nationalities.
You've CONVINCED me. Though I needed less convincing anyway, as I was inching towards having an O2 XDA II as offered by our service provider here.
My XDA II will be arriving shortly and I cant wait. :wink: :wink:
Now the FUN part, trying to understand how it works, with my smartphone background, i know it would be easy, but its not going to be a walk in the park.
My favorite amd very useful apps in smartphone are:
1. PHM Registry Editor (for cool tweaking)
2. Smart Explorer
3. SP Task Manager
4. Mitac Phonebackup
5. Pocket TV and MVP
6. Sprite Backup
7. Twyx Imeter
8. Nintendo Emulator
Are these EASILY available for XDA2?
:?:
Im looking forward to GREAT PDA functions from my XDA, would greatly appreciate the MS Office apps.
Im planning to buy :shock: Wi-Fi SD expansion card :shock: , which I will use to our Wi-Fi server, is it easy to setup?
Id appreciate the replies. Thanks again

You're in for a treat - most of those apps are available for PocketPC and if you're into emulators there's even freeware emu's for the Playstation and Gameboy Advance

@chameleon,
Welcome aboard!!!
I used to have a P800 (wich is very close to the P900)... I was really into Sony Ericsson phones/pdas, I even have a portal dedicated to them... www.sonyericssonfans.com
But I really went ahead switched to the MDA2 and love every bit of it...
Lots of software and emulators!!!!
Let us know what you think once you have it...
Rayan

you wont have a problem working the XDA if you know how to use a windows pc
the SPV series is hard to set up and configure compared to the XDA as you can touch whats on screen and not having to navigate through menus all the time
gaz

I was there. I got XDA2 as soon as it was released in Dubai. Then, P900 came out and I've sold XDA2 and got P900. It's a very cool device, specially 5 way jog - it is something every PDA maker should license from Sony, IMHO. Functionality wise I wasn't very impressed. And the most annoying part was BT. They just hate each other - P900 and HBH-65
Back to XDA2 now and more hat happy with it. Really hope that SE will bring functional BT and better dialer.

Hi, All out there
I am also a NewBie here. Happily came here with a good chance, I have learned a lot from here although not long. I had bought an O2 XDA2 for my wife and I am going to buy another one for myself. I am going to dwelling deeply into it technically. The bad side of this stuff, my personal feeling, is that they only implement one SD slot. If they can implement it with two SD slots, then things would be much more wonderful.

missa,
i think there is a BACKPACK accessory than you ca purchase for your XDA 2, it contains 2 SD/MC slots and an additional BATT, plus an RCA jack??, not sure with this.
Thanks FOLKS, i have my XDA already and im tinkering with it right now.
This is GREAT. hehehe.

Ive got a P800 and I want to go for a XDA something, I might wait for the XDA3, I need something with Wifi and the new P910 just doesnt have it and you cant get extra wifi with the sony memorystick duo! which sucks a little.
Yes the 5 way jog dial from sony is totaly cool and just great for doing stuff with one hand, only real good thing about the phone. As for a PDA device, its not that great! I try and use it to the max but the screen is just that little to small to do most things with!

Rumors about XDA IV...

Follow these links:
http://www.pdalive.com/showarticle.php?threadid=6710
http://www.pocketpcparadise.com/ (XDA IV pour 2005 ?)
http://www.pdamag.ru/pages/show.php?idx=214
Could be something reliable?
More links: http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/2823.html
http://www.mobilemag.ch/forum/index...d4339ce4643&showtopic=19130&st=0&#entry136645
http://cellphones.engadget.com/entry/3093445122366434/
http://www.pocketgear.com/news_detail.asp?id=161027
...and more and more...

I don't know about this one. HTC Should be able to get a new PocketPC Phone Edition device for 2005. However, I wonder if we'd ever be able to get our hands on this device...
Quand band is a must for NA.
VGA should have been included with te Himalaya.
Anyway, let's hope that HTC will get this device on the market in time, at a reasonnable price.

Talking about the price I think it could be embarrassing to see the XDA IV on the market only few month after you bought version III...! :?
Rumors said that XDA IV should have UMTS capabilities, and this skill could be interesting in Italy. At present we have one phone company offering this kind of service, but in a short time they should become three.

I think the XDA 4 is for "3" and the XDA 2 is not! I dont realy want a "3" phone, so I look at them as two different products.

zakeen said:
I think the XDA 4 is for "3" and the XDA 2 is not! I dont realy want a "3" phone, so I look at them as two different products.
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Yeah, but it also says it's going to be quad band GSM, which is pretty relevant these days for international travellers.

It is real
MDA4 is real, because announced MDA3 is not made by HTC (as MDA1 and MDA2). T-Mobile ordered this piece of hardware somewhere in China and labelled it as MDA3, but it has nothing in common with maker of MDA1 and MDA2. T-Mobile did it just because he needed a response to Motorola MPx (WindowsMobile Communicator with the keyboard and WiFi). It't just a temporary solution - the real successor of MDA2 will be the MDA4 made by HTC again.

That makes more sence!

would be too much to ask them to include a built-in IR beamer for virtual keyboard ?? :wink:
The idea of having many built-ins looks apealing, but I personally prefer many interfaces (SDIO, CF, ... etc) for accessories that should allow you to get the latest models without the need to get a new device.
I'm confident as well that the day will come when we can replace the CPU and add RAM as we do with the current PCs

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Arkobad said:
MDA4 is real, because announced MDA3 is not made by HTC (as MDA1 and MDA2). T-Mobile ordered this piece of hardware somewhere in China and labelled it as MDA3, but it has nothing in common with maker of MDA1 and MDA2. T-Mobile did it just because he needed a response to Motorola MPx (WindowsMobile Communicator with the keyboard and WiFi). It't just a temporary solution - the real successor of MDA2 will be the MDA4 made by HTC again.
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is it the official info :?:

TyTN II vs Hermes

Hi,
At work, we have about 15 Hermes (or SPV M3100) devices.
they are great and especially when we think about flashing them and working with application on it.
I was thinking to buy a TyTN II for my personal use, however as i do not know it so well (except was is on HTC web page)
I would like to know if someone here, has/had both models and if he can compare them.
thx.
A.

Make an Informed Decision!!!!
Make sure you're aware of the issues before deciding to buy the TyTN II:
Kaiser Video Driver Bounty - ~$5199.51 Raised As Of Jan26
Proper video drivers and unlocker Project
Petition opened for HTC - 4210 signatures - spread the word
HTCClassAction.org - Driver issue awareness and possible lawsuit investigation