hi,
i want to build an bluetooth accesspoint at home, where i can connect with my mda-II to explorer the internet (wlan needs to much battery).
What kind of bluetooth usb device i need in my pc?
Can these work?
What kind of settings is needed on the mda?
(sry. i´m a bluetooth-newbie)
regards
AleX
The problem is that the XDA/MDA bluetooth stack doesn't support PAN (personal area networking). When the stack is sorted out then you only need a cheap class 2 bluetooth USB dongle and drivers to make this work.
Steve
I Have a Sandisk SD WiFi card, but as this kills the battery at home i use my laptop with built in WiFi and Bluetooth, I put my Laptop in the room where i am sitting, and then activesync over bluetooth, and surf the net thatway, the range is not bad, much better than the BT headset (jabraBT200) And of corse this way there is nothing sticking out the top ready to be snaped off, and the battery lasts much longer,
I will of keep the SD WiFi Card as there are also many times when i need it, But for home use as soon as they sort the PAN profile i will get a BT acess point
John
hi,
thanks for your answers!!!
@sweeney
Are you know if it possible to update the mda-II with the needed PAN support? If it is a microsoft-update or comes it from HTC or from anyone else?
@applecom
looks that we have the same configuration, i´m also use the sandisk wlan card but it takes to much battery power! But your idea with the activesync i like very well ... how you have to setup activesync to use bluetooth?
Are you useing the cheap "class 2 bluetooth USB dongle" sweeney spoke about or anything else?
regards
AleX
alex-zero said:
hi,
@sweeney
Are you know if it possible to update the mda-II with the needed PAN support? If it is a microsoft-update or comes it from HTC or from anyone else?
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No official support yet, but there is some sign of promise on this board that the WIDCOMM stack can be tweaked to work on the MDA/XDA and is known provide PAN, serial etc.
Related
Please , please can anyone tell me if it is possible to remove the crap $icrosoft Bluetooth drivers and on my SPV M500 and install better ones. As they are so crap and have taken out alot of function.
Please tell me there is a way
Thanks
Brian
What do you want??? I'm using that same MS stack on my S110 and I cannot say I miss anything compared to Widcomm on my old iPAQ, everything I need (ActiveSync, OBEX, SerialPort) can be done via BT. What are you missing???
Besindes you can install another stack like the Toshiba one or one from Bluesoleil and disable the MS one (cannot be uninstalled because it is in ROM).
Magican with 64MB RAM cant run Widcom but maybe the 128MB ones like the S110 can, but I'm not brave enough to test it. Despite I've no idea where to get the Widcom stack for PPC.
one of the most important things is my car kit requires me to activate the serial port on port 5, but My IPAQ in the bluetooth i click on the carkit port and select connect, and works fine, but i do not have that fuction with my Orange M500, until i can connect the port it will not work so thats why i need other bluetooth software that has this fuction. it seems like $icrosoft is the onlt bluetooth stact that does not have this fuction, and they have cut it down
Hope you understand that
Well I use my Holux 236 GPS on Port5 using SPP (SerialPortProfile) so the functionality is in the MS stack for sure.
Sorry and by the way, where can i get the Toshiba one or one from Bluesoleil bluetooth stack drivers and how do i disable the $icrosoft ones
Thanks again
Brian
Yes, but it does not have the manual connect fuction like other bluetooth statcks do, and i can not connect to the carkit without it. my other device have that fuction and works well, just not my M500
Brian
You can get the bluesoleil one here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=18537&highlight=bluesoleil
The Toshiba one can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=15604&highlight=toshiba
Important: Both stacks are not perfect. The bluesoleil is limited because the Magician is not a device it is registered on and because of that it has a 5MB data trasfer limit before you need to start it again (like a trial). The Toshiba one is really good but unstable at times.
You best bet is prolly the Bluesoleil one and the "trial" limitation can be removed, see here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=24801&highlight=bluesoleil
Instructions are avail in those two threads too. Could you let me know how it goes, I'm thinking of using another stack too.
Using a GPS mouse should work without problems. I guess you're doing something wrong. The MS stack establishes the serial port connection automatically once an application tries to use that port. I don't know how it works, but the stack can separate between a connection through the serial profile using Active Sync and a connection using a navigation software to the GPS mouse. For me, it works with no problem. I can use ActiveSync and afterwards go into my car, switch on TomTom and it connects to my bluetooth GPS mouse automatically.
I guess it also has to do how the corresponding navigation software deals with the BT stack. Therefore you should try another software and see if it works better.
It's basically true, that you can do almost everything with the crippled MS stack aswell. Even browsing the net through ActiveSync, even though it has no PAN profile. What it really lacks is the A2DP profile. I think WM5 also features HID, for keyboards, mouses and stuff.
i do not have any problem with any other bluetooth device, it just my CK3500 karkit requires you to do a manual connect, and the MS stack does not have that function.
And thanks to Private-Cowboy, will try this and post update
Thanks again
brian colston said:
i do not have any problem with any other bluetooth device, it just my CK3500 karkit requires you to do a manual connect, and the MS stack does not have that function.
And thanks to Private-Cowboy, will try this and post update
Thanks again
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Then really it's the car kit that's at fault. :?
TheBrit, looks like you was correct, problem with the carkit
Thanks
Brian
Dandie said:
Using a GPS mouse should work without problems. I guess you're doing something wrong...
...It's basically true, that you can do almost everything with the crippled MS stack aswell. Even browsing the net through ActiveSync, even though it has no PAN profile. What it really lacks is the A2DP profile. I think WM5 also features HID, for keyboards, mouses and stuff.
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I'm afraid I not fully agree with you...
In my case (I have a MDA Compact) for my bluetooth GPS mouse to work properly within TomTom 5, I need to bond the GPS mouse with COM5. And that means that I cannot connect simultaniously to an external GSM (for TomTom Traffic via GPRS).
Why an external phone on my MDA Compact? On the MDA I have my work provider and on an external phone I have my private provider with GPRS (a bit difficult I know).
As said to two functions together doesn't work with the MS stack because of the bonding of the GPS mouse on COM5.
Except...
Except when I install an old version of Bluetooth Tools!!! With Bluetooth tools I can bond my GPS mouse to a virtual COM port, which TomTom 5 recognizes! And now I can also use my external GPRS phone!
OK, I can have 2 connection through my MS stack. as i do it
i bound com 5 to my portable Slim GPS until and run tomtom 5.10 in my car, and that works fine, then on my car kit i click connect to paired device and it then connect fine,(so i have a com 5 connection to my GPS and a connection to my hands free car kit). all through my Orange SPV 500 at once
This work great,
But i wanted to use the car kit for handfree and GPS, but as my gps does not work on my car kit i am stuck with my portable Slim GPS unit for now
Brian
brian colston said:
OK, I can have 2 connection through my MS stack. as i do it
i bound com 5 to my portable Slim GPS until and run tomtom 5.10 in my car, and that works fine, then on my car kit i click connect to paired device and it then connect fine,(so i have a com 5 connection to my GPS and a connection to my hands free car kit). all through my Orange SPV 500 at once
This work great,
But i wanted to use the car kit for handfree and GPS, but as my gps does not work on my car kit i am stuck with my portable Slim GPS unit for now
Brian
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Yes, it works with a handsfree carkit. But it doesn't with an external phone, maybe because the phone is a 2-way connection? Try it and you'll see it doesn't!
Ok sorry about that
Brian
Is it possible to make a wlan via a bluetooth dongle?
The type of my dongle is ES-388.
Does anybody has experience with this type= I only can use bluesolei and I just want to use the standar MS drivers but MS doesn´t see the dongle???
Generally Yes - although not technically WLAN.
And more specifically i havent tried it on my Wizard, but did have it working on my Ipaq.
What you need:
PC with network/internet conex
BT dongle
Decent BT stack for PC - i found a lovelly guid with a "version" of a Widcom (i think) stack and a lovelly guide, trouble is the files were removed off the site shortly after i read it for "breach of copyright".
Bridge BT network (PAN) and network (LAN) to make it work.
Fraid i cant share the files as i dont have any install files. but sure Google can help
The Bluetooth Stack on the HTC Wizard does not support Personal Area Network profile (PAN), so unless you manage to hack a different stack into the wizard, no, bluetooth networking will not work.
i think.
tsiros said:
The Bluetooth Stack on the HTC Wizard does not support Personal Area Network profile (PAN), so unless you manage to hack a different stack into the wizard, no, bluetooth networking will not work.
i think.
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no PAN :-o wtf is the BT stack there for? i cant see many things it CAN do really :'(
i was about to continue to bash the qtek for not having PAN, when a thought came to my mind...
IF YOU HAVE CONNECTED THE QTEK WITH CABLE AND SYNCED WITH ACTIVESYNC THE QTEK HAS NETWORK.
IF YOU CONNECT THE QTEK TO ACTIVESYNC WITH BLUETOOTH, IT HAS NETWORK, TOO!!!
I AM A D U M B A S S!!!!!
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i was about to continue to bash the qtek for not having PAN, when a thought came to my mind...
IF YOU HAVE CONNECTED THE QTEK WITH CABLE AND SYNCED WITH ACTIVESYNC THE QTEK HAS NETWORK.
IF YOU CONNECT THE QTEK TO ACTIVESYNC WITH BLUETOOTH, IT HAS NETWORK, TOO!!!
I AM A D U M B A S S!!!!!
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I know it's true. But I can't install my bluetooth dongle (ES-388) with the original xp drivers. So I only can use Bluesoleil and this does not work with activesync.
Bluesoleil does work with activesync - at least the version I have does with the BT dongle I have.
tsiros said:
IF YOU CONNECT THE QTEK TO ACTIVESYNC WITH BLUETOOTH, IT HAS NETWORK, TOO!!!
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mine doesn't show any network when connected via BT... :shock:
Hey guys,
I got it to work once. But I have no idea how to make my iMate Jam connect to my PC's bluetooth connection using the Wireless Modem application on my Jam. Eveytime I fiddle around with that software it ends up screwing with my radio signal and I lose the signal. Then I have to reboot the phone to make it work again. Does anyone have any instruction on how to work this program? This seems to be so much harder than my P900 which I just used the Dial-up Bluetooth Modem and had it dial *99#. By the way I'm using the standard Windows XP Bluetooth stack with my USB Bluetooth adapter. Please help.
i've the same problem... anyone as a solution?
bt modem tip
On my sx66, i noticed i was having a problem with my modem connection, I noticed it wouldnt let me connect if I had already initiated a gprs session, ie. syncronizing with my excahnge server or pop mail accounts or web browsing on the pda. If i soft booted then connected the dial up connection it worked fine. In some cases i have heard some peoples PC would drop the DUN setting after every sesssion with the PC's BT settings.
rovert said:
Hey guys,
I got it to work once. But I have no idea how to make my iMate Jam connect to my PC's bluetooth connection using the Wireless Modem application on my Jam. Eveytime I fiddle around with that software it ends up screwing with my radio signal and I lose the signal. Then I have to reboot the phone to make it work again. Does anyone have any instruction on how to work this program? This seems to be so much harder than my P900 which I just used the Dial-up Bluetooth Modem and had it dial *99#. By the way I'm using the standard Windows XP Bluetooth stack with my USB Bluetooth adapter. Please help.
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This is why it's worth following my blog - I've published a tutorial of this over a month ago. Please read http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=510&more=1
Forget the wireless modem application, it's not necessary for this for me.
Go to your PC's bluetooth and open it up. Is et Widcomm? Pair the phone with the PC.
ok, on the PC click on the paired phone and click search for available services. SSA should come up.
Set up a dial up connection with phone no *99# any username, password for your provider and it should connect. PLEASE' Note, you must be DISCONNECTED from GPRS on the phone first to make a connection from your PC.
You may also have to put in an APN on the bluetooth modem in Windows XP, Control Panel, phones and Modem options, as supplied by your provider. First let us know if you get as for as finding SSA?
Surgy, ignore last post, I just saw yin said you are using MS Bluetooth stack.
admisi said:
Surgy, ignore last post, I just saw yin said you are using MS Bluetooth stack.
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You can also use the DUN from the MS BT stack too.
Your tutorial only covers the newer devices with WM5. I'm using an older i-Mate Jam/Magician and when I do a discovery with my Bluetooth adapter on my PC I only see OBEX File Transfer, Serial Port, and Voice Gateway. I still can't figure out a way to do it wirelessly. I have figured out how to do it via USB cable and the Wireless Modem program on the Pocket PC but it's only a 28.8 connection whereas usually I connect at 56K with my Sony Ericsson P900. Strange stuff. Well I'll be upgrading to a Jamin shortly so I hope this will resolve my problem.
rovert said:
Your tutorial only covers the newer devices with WM5. I'm using an older i-Mate Jam/Magician and when I do a discovery with my Bluetooth adapter on my PC I only see OBEX File Transfer, Serial Port, and Voice Gateway. I still can't figure out a way to do it wirelessly. I have figured out how to do it via USB cable and the Wireless Modem program on the Pocket PC but it's only a 28.8 connection whereas usually I connect at 56K with my Sony Ericsson P900. Strange stuff. Well I'll be upgrading to a Jamin shortly so I hope this will resolve my problem.
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OIC. Strange. Some (for example, Verizon) PPC PE devices are crippled in that they can't be used as BT modems.
If you can't see the DUN or SSA or Dial Up. it sounds like your Bluetooth has been modified on the imate jam/mini.
Did you install either the Blue Soleil Stack or the new BLUETOOTH STOCK from this forum?.. If so, then this is the problem. Standard default Bluetooth Stack should show it in discovery.
What make is your bluetooth dongle?
admisi said:
If you can't see the DUN or SSA or Dial Up. it sounds like your Bluetooth has been modified on the imate jam/mini.
Did you install either the Blue Soleil Stack or the new BLUETOOTH STOCK from this forum?.. If so, then this is the problem. Standard default Bluetooth Stack should show it in discovery.
What make is your bluetooth dongle?
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I did upgrade it to the new bluetooth stack. I guess it did more harm than good. Is there anyway to undo it or must I hard reset and install everything all over again? I have a Logitech Dinovo Bluetooth Keyboard/Mouse combo.
Hi,
I hope I am posting in the right forum, but I didn't find a forum for the Charmer (MDA Compact II) PDA phone. So, I am posting here, because I noticed that there are many threads here about Charmer, but If there is any place where my problem fits better, please inform me about it.
So, is there any way to set up a wireless TCP/IP network between PC and Charmer (obviously, over bluetooth, Charmer doesn't have Wifi)? After 2 days of massive googleing and reading various threads, I figured out that my Charmer shipped with microsoft bt stack, witch is not support PAN. On the Magician, there is a solution, it is possible to replace the bt stack with another one, or expand the functionality (I don't know too much about the technical details) to support PAN. On the Prophet, the problem easily can be solved with Wifi.
But what about the Charmer? I cannot find any working hack to replace the bt stack.
Activesync works over bt, but there is no TCP/IP. If connect through USB cable, TCP/IP network appears.
I'm really disappointed, and plan to sell my 1 week old Charmer because of this problem. Any comments, tips or tricks are welcome.
Thanks in advance
go into my network places, view network connections. you should be able to use the 'bluetooth network connection' to establish a network between the two but ive just tried it on mine and it doesnt work, guess the charmers stack doesnt support it. i know this is the right way to go about doing it as i can set up a network between my pc and laptop.
Yap dave, I did exactly the same, under network connections/bluetooth network connection I cannot add my ppc, becouse it says that it doesn't support PAN. That's why I need to replace the ms bt stack, wich is a garbage. As I figured out the last days, nobody have succesfully did this scenario yet.
Any solution?
I still don't have the solution for replace the BT stack on Charmer which supports PAN.
Any ideas?
When you connect to PC via ActiveSync (via Bluetooth) your ppc got address 192.168.55.101 and pc got address: 192.168.55.100
okay so here goes.
i have a S200 (Prophet)
ROM: RUU_Prophet_2151327_22113102_022021_Dopod_PDAMobizEdition_v101
Radio: 1_02.20.21
Protocol: 4.1.13.9
ExtROM: 2.21.13.102
i have been trying to get my Prophet to work with a bluetooth Pan network. The PC is setup to do it but the phone has no support for it or i just cant seem to get it working. can some one plz help to to solve this problem.
Thanks
as far as I know, the prophet does not support the bluetooth pan profile
http://www.clubimate.com/t-DETAILS_JAMIN.aspx
thanks for the info.
so is there no rom for the Prophet that supports the bluetooth pan profile?
or bluetooth driver updates or a another way it can be done it can be done?
i am also having problems using active sync with my bluetooth cant seem to get it right i am still reeding some of the posts here hope fully i can sort this out soon.
It is available in AKU3.2 ROMs and I use it successfully in my car PC.
PDAMobiz_Prophet_WM5AKU3.2_v3231.exe
is this the right one ?
That one and any of the 3.2 ROMs. But note that there are problems with these ROMs including the problem that the phone won't charge over USB (you have to use the main plug-in charger).
Good luck with it.
Tried one and the phone got stuck on the boot Screen just loaded the RUU_Prophet_2090724_20907106_020720_QtekWWE_Ship.exe againe and i will try the other one againe now. Hope i get this sorted out LOL with out making a brick out of my Prophet.
GR8 the update is installed and now lets see what works and what does not work ...
Franscois said:
thanks for your reply on my post. I installed the ROM so far every thing is going well. all except that i cant get the PDA to connect to the PAN service.........
do you have any more information that might help ?
sorry to bother
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Hi, I checked it again last night. I am using the AKU3.3 now, and this works too. My Bluetooth adaptor is a Belkin USB model and I am using the latest Widcomm 5.xxx.xxx drivers.
I start by using the Internet Sharing program on the Prophet, select Bluetooth PAN, the correct GPRS profile (in my case Orange Internet) and connect. Then I connect the PC using Bluetooth to the Bluetooth LAN on the Prophet.
Hope you can get it to work for you, but it may be also dependent on using a suitable Bluetooth stack in Windows.
The Widcomm drivers don't seem to work with my blue tooth adapter. so i have to use BlueSolei, or the windows drivers. the other thing is i wanted my Prophet to use my home networks internet witch is exactly the opposite of what you did in the above post, what i learned is that your bluetooth drivers must support the hosting side of the connection. The Widcomm drivers do support it but i just cant get them to work with the bluetooth device i have.
it looks like i have to buy a new bluetooth adapter if i want to get it to work....
or see if i can get the Widcomm drivers to work with my adapter.
any other way i can do this ?
Hi. Could someone confirms that Bluesoleil drivers runs ok in S200? Thanks and regards.