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I have been using the new XDAII for about three weeks or so and already I have experienced over 6 times critical crashes that caused the device to not even be able to restart after reseting. Even more troubling is that even when pressing the on/off button and hard reseting, the problem still cannot be solved. The only way I got around it is by actually removing the battery and letting it sit for a few minutes, put in the battery and then performing the hard reset. Of course, then I lose all data that was previously on the device. Right now, what I do is use the xBackup program to back everything to SD card and just wait for the device to crash. Then ultimately recovering. I can get around, but this is really quite annoying.
I have written to O2 about it and they said something about a radio version 10513A0, and that if this is the version (and it is), then I need to either register (which I did and wait for some upgrade), or send it in to O2 collection point for repairs. I really don't want to send it in because then I would have nothing to use (since its both phone and PDA). I just don't see why O2 could not just simply fork over the upgrade software. Also, I have experienced twice that the device would suddenly no longer be recognized by Activesync (newest version). It would automatically connect as GUEST and nothing could be done about it. No shuting down Activesync and restarting, or rebooting computer or/and xdaII, or even removing and reinstalling Activesync could solve the problem. Again, the only solution I have is to perform the infamous full reset, wipe out the whole xdaII and then everything works again.
Anyway, all of this is really killing me here, just wondering if anyone has experienced this kind of situation and maybe have some advise.
By the way, the Bluespoon Digital seems to work fine with the XDAII although sometimes it does crash and a pairing must be done again, but definitely not like the Jabra 200 problem.
I had the same sort of problems with my first XDA-2 and as time pasee the problems got worse, So i returned it to o2 and got another one, same software and hardware versions, but this time with no real problems
John
XDA II Critical Crash
I have had the exact same problems as you experienced and was about to throw that gadget out the window... but then
Following advice received from an XDA II owner I tried the following:
I hit soft reset each time upon seeing the red text in the lower right corner 5 consecutive times. Then I waited and my XDA II came back to life effectively performing a soft reset rather than having to do a hard reset. Fascinating, let's see whether you have as much success !!!!
Thanks for the tip... I'll try it next time it happens again! However, I'm still wondering about the ROM v 1.06 and that Radio software upgrade. Thanks!
I'm also finding the XDAII needs a hard reset more often than the XDAI (although fewer soft resets). Had to do it twice last night, very annoying. Interesting tip about the soft reset at the boot screen, will give that a try next time.
O2 really should do something about it!
Ya, I totally agree. All this reseting and crashing and recovering is really not acceptable. The product features are definitely good and they did make some improvements, but this kind of quality is a definite downgrade. Even O2 admits that if your radio number is 10513A0 then you should send it in to a collection point for a software upgrade. They also insisted on registering which I did, but I just don't understand why they could not just simply post a downloadable software upgrade or ROM upgrade so that we don't have to be without a device. After all, we are talking about something that is both your PHONE and your PDA.
The ROM upgrade is definately necessary. I sent mine in and after that, no hangs whatsoever. No more hard/soft resets at all either. :lol:
if only it was so easy
I would have sent it in, but since I am traveling and don't live in HK, there is just no way to send it in. Besides, it takes about a week, which means nothing to use during the time. O2 really should be more considerate about this. If this was just a functionality upgrade or a boost in bells and whistles, waiting is reasonable. However, we are talking about crippling disfunctionality in a US$800+ device, they should atleast have the sense to post a fix to solve the problem. I heard something will be released in January, I wonder if this is confirmed. I am really sick of waiting. After all, MDA and T-Mobile supposedly already have something out. If they don't do something soon, I would really reconsider anything from O2 next time.
I have experient the same problem on my XDAII, and after 7 times hardreset during 14 days business trip in USA. I send it back to O2 and wait for the solution(already 1 week pass). And even a hardreset sometime could hardly be reached. You need to try 6-10 times. I think it should be a hardware problem because I acutrally upgrade my rom to a newer one(and not the english version), and after two days, I lost my phone function again. I have faced the same problem on my older PPC phone once(LENOVO ET180) and after I send it back to the vendor, they said the mainboard has failure, need to be replaced. After doing so, it works 6 months without a hardreset. I saw the same issue on PPCSG and PCCW.net, they all send their PDA+Phone back to the service. I think you better do it now as maybe there is no a ROM upgrade could solve the problem.
Goog luck. and if without those issues, it is really a perfect PDA+Phone. I love it. When I faced those ****, the only thing I could think is to buy another XDAII
I've the same problem
I've tried your tip to restart my Mda2 with XDA2 rom, and it works!!!!!!!!!!
Now I'm looking for a new Rom upgrade to change my radio version...
Still I think it's the solution and not to replace the radio hardware...
Cant Trust My XDA II
Well it's now Dec 2004 and I ALSO have the same problem.
I've only had my XDA II a couple of months and already I'm quickly loosing my patience with it!!
It crashes at least TWICE a week causing me major headaches.
If I was abroad and it did this I would be in severe trouble.
I brought this as a business tool and I'm afraid it is to unreliable to place
my trust in...
I have the latest ROM update installed
I can ill afford to send it in because it holds my customer base,
day to day stuff, Navigator and many other stuff I use on a daily basis.
"O2, what can you do for me?"
Topdog38uk, what software have you installed - especially any today plugins?
rgds,
Alex.
sigh... i haven't had such a problem since i bought it..... till i update the new rom from O2 uk site... now i feel like throwing to on the ground lolz. anyway i just installed WM2003 SE upgrade mysterman from the forum and 1 crash so far.... :roll:
How bad is this alignement issue...
and pls write down your SN..and hermes type
I got Ht626 on O2 Trion..
Thanks
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TyTN: ht630f21xxxx
No problems yet accept SPB backup screws up the .NET CF so Tweaks2K2.NET no longer functions after a restore...
This ticks me off :evil:
One more lovely issue
If I soft-reset the device while it is being powered via USB (doesn't have to be sync'd, just being powered) the device locks up at the Windows Mobile Splash screen...
Fo Some reason SPB Backup screws the registry during a full backup (yes, it is installed to main memory) so I have to restore with no registry then restore a backup of the registry with Resco Registry...never had to do something so stupid with a new PDA
Someone seems have found the root cause (in japanese)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=62063&start=25
I found the issue to start after a week, starting on the right hand side, and then moving towards the centre of the screen. Happens all the time now.
Voda v1605 S/N - 626
Somebody with the problem needs to disassemble their TyTN and power it up with the front cover completely removed and the digitizer assy loose. If there's a mechanical issue based on the gaskets or some other case ideoysncracy, the alignment issues will immediately disappear. If my TyTN starts acting up I'll do this myself. We need to divide this problem to conquer it by answering this first all-important question:
Is it Hardware, Software or a combination of both?
HTC's own repair kit tends to indicate that its hardware and that the above test will resolve any issues. However, there have been reports that software changes solve it too and these are backed up by a compelling video that shows a person tapping on the same spot of the kbd SIP and sometimes it would register the correct key and sometimes it would register the key to the right of the one tapped. If the problem were hardware, this wouldn't happen; the offset tap registration would happen consistantly.
Sleuth255, unfortunately it is a hardware issue.
HTC is replacing faulty units and repairing (changing the LCD) if you don't have the original box.
rdtce said:
TyTN: ht630f21xxxx
No problems yet accept SPB backup screws up the .NET CF so Tweaks2K2.NET no longer functions after a restore...
This ticks me off :evil:
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rdtce said:
If I soft-reset the device while it is being powered via USB (doesn't have to be sync'd, just being powered) the device locks up at the Windows Mobile Splash screen...
Fo Some reason SPB Backup screws the registry during a full backup (yes, it is installed to main memory) so I have to restore with no registry then restore a backup of the registry with Resco Registry...never had to do something so stupid with a new PDA
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What? Ehm... I use SPB Backup... and I havent still done a restore... So, I'm afraid of something pranky behaviour if I must go to restore a backup ...........
pof said:
Sleuth255, unfortunately it is a hardware issue.
HTC is replacing faulty units and repairing (changing the LCD) if you don't have the original box.
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I partially concur. Here is the video that I referred to earlier which, after closer examination, has made me change my opinion as to its root cause:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQIVv4b2jOI
(notice how his alternating finger pressure on the right side of the case is causing the alignment to shift right by one char).
Nevertheless, I still see posts such as this one which point to a software related cause as well:
mcalbala said:
I had the alignment issue, and the phone started to slow down, I bit the bullet and reimaged the phone (clear memory and reset to factory default), reinstalled software and resynced, and the problem went away totally - seems to be part of the software for the Tytn - Good that it doesnt seem to be hardware related
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Maybe there's two completely different issues that are being tied together here.
save yourselves the headache and send it for replcement ...!!
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@sectorlord: I'd say hard reset first and run for a day w/o re-installing any software. If alignment problem re-surfaces, send it in because you've got the hardware problem that HTC has identified.
Why be without your TyTN if its not hardware? Remember: I'm not disagreeing with the hardware hypothesis here. It's obvious that one cause of screen alignment problems is digitizer/case related. What I'm saying here that there may be two seperate issues here, both of whose effect are screen alignment issues. If this is true, posters following the "just send it in" rationale who actually have the second software related issue, will be sorely disappointed when they get their TyTN back after an indeterminate wait based on regional service differences because the problem will crop right back up after they restore from backup.
I myself can't ignore data just because it doesn't fit the model. Calling this problem solely hardware ignores the data that I posted above from mcalbala as well as countless other posters who have reported similar success from hard resets.
I guess I'll just have to wait for that first post from someone who sent their TyTN in for the fix only to have the problem crop back up to see if my "two problem" hypothesis is correct.
I agree with you... I know some people have success getting rid of the issue by :
1) Hard reset
2) Upgarding ROMs
3) Loosening up the screws
4) Offsetting the calibrations
5) Unticking the USB-PC options
etc ..etc..
I tried all of these, and my unit improves but never totally fixed. I am trying to save you the headache I got.. if you can swap it..do it !
I returned my Trion, and bought a new Dopod838pro WWE HT636XXXX yesterday...
Knock on wood... It's a gamble on my part. I just trust Dopod HK, that they will release these units when this issue is resolved, and they release it last Thursday starting with HT636XXXX.
Is it fixed...I dont know... but surely I will be screaming on SIS if not..
:twisted:
Few days ago I received my repaired tytn back. SN HT627.
According to the serviceburo it should now be repaired according to the instruction of HTC.
parts used:
1x Gasket, Keypad.Apache For.
1x MYLAR,LCM CONN, BREEZE FOR
So, hopefully this really solved the problem.
Regards,
Piet
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@sectorlord: I'd say hard reset first and run for a day w/o re-installing any software. If alignment problem re-surfaces, send it in because you've got the hardware problem that HTC has identified.
Why be without your TyTN if its not hardware? Remember: I'm not disagreeing with the hardware hypothesis here. It's obvious that one cause of screen alignment problems is digitizer/case related. What I'm saying here that there may be two seperate issues here, both of whose effect are screen alignment issues. If this is true, posters following the "just send it in" rationale who actually have the second software related issue, will be sorely disappointed when they get their TyTN back after an indeterminate wait based on regional service differences because the problem will crop right back up after they restore from backup.
I myself can't ignore data just because it doesn't fit the model. Calling this problem solely hardware ignores the data that I posted above from mcalbala as well as countless other posters who have reported similar success from hard resets.
I guess I'll just have to wait for that first post from someone who sent their TyTN in for the fix only to have the problem crop back up to see if my "two problem" hypothesis is correct.
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Reopening the question: A week ago suddenly the notorious screen alignment problem appeared on my device. Never had it before, now every 2 hours, sometimes after 10 minutes already. In my case the SA-problem has several appearences: one time it misallignes a bit to the right, the other time a far end to the left. But always in horizontal line. B.t.w.: in landscape mode the alignment problem always was gone!
So finally after trying everything I knew (from XDA) I did a hardreset with the intention to send it back for repair. But now after the hardreset my SA-problem seems to be gone! I'm testing for hours now, do everything what might cause the problem but nothing (till so far). I only installed TomTom 6 after the hardreset...
Could this be software (programs or settings) cause after all?
Hey all, so I was on a business conference call this morning and immediately after the call I went to check my Call History, which had plenty of records in it last night, and there was no history. Furthermore, I lost the ability to make calls. I figured "oh it's just another stupid M$ bug... why don't I reboot." Well, bad idea. After rebooting, the phone now states it has No Service; however, Media Net is miraculously still connected. To test this anomaly, I loaded up IE and navigated to google.com. To my surprise, the page loaded! Nonetheless, I cannot load the phone app either manually or even by pressing the send button. I'm not receiving any texts or phone calls.
Is this a common problem? Could something have shorted out? Is my radio rom simply busted? Luckily, I'm a good boy and I synchronize my phone with my Nix box frequently so I have everything backed up. I just need to get my phone back to normal!
I'm running the newest ROM available from HTC America for AT&T. Here's what the screen says at boot time:
M 05 R 1.40.30.00
S 04 G 32.73.7020.16H
B 06 D 2.15
When the phone is booting, the screen that lists the roms looks like it always has. It doesn't say "No GSM" like some people have had on this forum.
I've rebooted the damn thing so many times that I learned something new today. WM5 has a Safe Mode... I'll be damned!!! It asked me if I wanted to reboot in Safe Mode at one point and I figured "why not? it has helped me fix so many Windows problems on PCs, surely it will be the answer to my problems on this phone right?!" Guess again, nothing different other than no Today plug-ins or autorun programs. I'm at a loss of ideas with this.
One thing you all should know is that I've taken the phone apart multiple times to replace my cracked screens (yes my screen has cracked more than once... I swear it's a design flaw in the phone). I even took it apart and assembled it perfectly this morning after I started experiencing the problems . That didn't help... but the good news is everything is intact hardware wise with the phone
I GREATLY appreciate any help. I've used this forum frequently to get tips and tricks on tricking my AT&T 8525 out. You guys are great. Thanks in advance!
So I just noticed something new. If my number is being dialed, the phone actually comes out of sleep mode and lights up but never rings or even shows a call is coming in. Of course I cannot pickup the call. This is VERY weird behavior. I'm getting quite desperate and there have been no posts so I'm getting ready to just reflash this phone. Any ideas, suggestions, comments, etc?!?!?!
Well, ended up just loading up a new rom (WM6) from AT&T/HTC and lost all of my customizations but the phone works well now. Thanks to all those who viewed this thread and THOUGHT about helping
I had sent a phone in for repair, which was then said to be unrepairable and so I was given a replacement niki (however the replacement was a refurbished one).
Its only been a week or so but I have had major problems with calls. Most of the time I cant make or receive calls even though the signal bar has two or three bars. The phone says its dialing but it doesnt and ends the call automatically. If I ring my phone it goes straight to voicemail! Note that I said "most of the time" because my phone calls do go through soemtimes but thats like once every 20 or so tries or if I make a phone call immediately after a soft reset or just get lucky!
The other functions of the phone work fine. I have done a hard reset thinking it was something I installed but the problem is still there. Done another 4 hard resets (each time trying something different like taking the battery out before the custom orange stuff is installed) but with no change.
I did a search and came across another thread but it wasnt really solved and blamed it on S2U2. Obviously S2U2 cant be the cause for me since the problem is there even after a hard reset. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-393077.html and http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=387615)
Im thinking it could be that the radio version is old (since it is a refurbed version) and also I remember reading about poor signals some time ago which was solved by changing the radio version (and is also probably why I didnt have this problem with my original niki).
Note: I have also tried the sim in another normal phone (samsung e900) and it worked fine so this is definately a problem with the touch dual.
A little bit of info:
Im with orange in the Uk,
the ROM version is 1.31.61.10 with a ROM date 10/30/07
and the Radio version is 1.58.16.27.
(Also...I havent done a radio update because I am still under warranty but I would like to know if it could be causing the problem or if it is a hardware problem).
Thanks for reading this long post (didnt think it would turn out so long, lol), but ANY help or advice will be appreciated.
well it sounds like a bad signal, so unless you want to unlock yor phone and try the modded sedna radio (best) id just send it back and complain loudly
Last night i took a photo then attempted to send it to a friend (MMS) - surprise surprise the phone made no effort to send it and it sat in the Outbox. I deleted the message and re-created it then attempted to re-send... again... didn't even try to send it.
So i created the message again... but this time, it couldn't find any of my photos... which I thought was odd... so i try to load Resco File Explorer - and it complains that it can't find the program (installed to SD card).
So it seems that magically I have no SD card any more (fwiw: i'm using a 16GB Sandisk one).
So, thinking the phone is just spazzing out, i reboot it.... and now it won't even f***ing recognise my password!
I'm being pretty patient with this phone as i've loved it up until recently... but if i'm honest - i'm starting to grow weary of it now!
If anyone has any thoughts on what might have caused the above - i'd appreciate it!
Thanks
Don't know what has caused it but, if you have your data backed up, I would go for a hard reset and take it from there.
Incidentally what version ROM are you running?
WB
I'm using the stock UK T-Mobile 1.43 ROM
UPDATE: I've left the battery out for an hour or so and also performed several soft resets........ and now, the "unlock" button does nothing! No confirmation of a wrong password... just........ nothing!
So ****ing pissed off!
Pooper,
You say you have done several soft resets. Have you tried the hard reset I suggested earlier (different procedure to soft reset)?
If you try that and it doesn't work then take the easy way out and return/exchange the device as faulty.
Alternatively, if you get it up and running and are not precious about the T-Mobile rom, then flash to another rom (the stock 1.48 is a good start) and take it from there.
Just in case you do have a dodgy device I would start by returning it if the hard reset does not work.
Keep us posted on how you get on.
Cheers
WB
On this forum, 1 in 2 posts ends with "Hard reset it"...
...1 in 4 posts says "You must have a faulty device, send it back"
I pity the poor guy in the returns department of HTC. The quality control guys on the other hand, they really like to party don't they?
Towserspvm2000 said:
On this forum, 1 in 2 posts ends with "Hard reset it"...
...1 in 4 posts says "You must have a faulty device, send it back"
I pity the poor guy in the returns department of HTC. The quality control guys on the other hand, they really like to party don't they?
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Sometimes hard resets do resolve strange issues. Soft reseting is a way of life in the winmobile world.
The dilemma people have at the moment is that because there are so many reports of issues and variable manufacturing quality in these devices and they are all under warranty, it makes sense to play safe and send the device back if all sensible and warranty friendly measures to resolve problems have failed.
Must admit I would be really cheesed off if I happened to have a faulty device on my hands, due to manufacturing errors, which the manufacturer would not accept back because I had tried solutions to resolve problems that they considered not to be warranty friendly. Definitely would not be happy after having spent £500 on a device.
Regrettably, therefore, this is why the most common recommendation at the moment is to send a device back. Not good but sensible and pragmatic.
WB
Towserspvm2000 said:
On this forum, 1 in 2 posts ends with "Hard reset it"...
...1 in 4 posts says "You must have a faulty device, send it back"
I pity the poor guy in the returns department of HTC. The quality control guys on the other hand, they really like to party don't they?
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a hard reset is kind of the mobile equivalent to restarting your pc, and we all know that is the first thing any tech support guy says. as for the quality control, don't forget that for everyone with a problem there are a few dozen people with no problems at all, they just don't start threads saying "no problem with camera, help not needed"
samsamuel said:
a hard reset is kind of the mobile equivalent to restarting your pc,
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Not really.... a SOFT reset is like restarting you PC (i.e. your programmes, settings, personal saves etc. are all preserved); a HARD reset is more like reformatting your computer that has an ability to self install Windows when the format is done... (i.e. you lose all personal files etc.).
A hard reset is far more taxing than a soft one. Last option for me everytime!
oliie said:
A hard reset is far more taxing than a soft one. Last option for me everytime!
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I very rarely have to do a hard reset with my Diamond (only after upgrading the rom), although I have to do several soft resets a day due to my tinkering!
I hear you Wacky Banana - £500 device that did this and I'd be a bit miffed too!
samsamuel said:
a hard reset is kind of the mobile equivalent to restarting your pc, and we all know that is the first thing any tech support guy says. as for the quality control, don't forget that for everyone with a problem there are a few dozen people with no problems at all, they just don't start threads saying "no problem with camera, help not needed"
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Hi! Indeed, I couldn't agree more with you. I have bought my HD2 two weeks ago (as well as my brother and my dad about a month ago) and none of us has a any problems whatsoever and actually this is my first post after I have bought the device.
I am reading this forum everyday and I contribute wherever I can to help people out (not so much here, so forgive me ).
I have came to the conclusion that either the branded units are of lower quality than the unbranded ones ( a bit unlikely) or the branded ones are full of software bugs by not so good operators tweaking (most likely)...
cheers
Hehe, i knew i'd wake up to howls of anger and derision re: my hard reset comment.
The actualities of the process aside, the comparison I was trying to make was that if you have a problem on your PC, sometimes logging off and back on will fix it, whilst other times a reboot is required. (Yes, I know, a reboot is usualy the first stop because it only takes a minute or so, and there's no resetting to do, but bear with me)
In many circumstances I would equate a soft reset to logging off, in that it doesn't always solve a problem. Sure, it solves many small problems, but for larger probs theres nothing like a hard reset and start over. Planned ahead, and assuming you have all the apps you regularly use in a handy spot, and your data backed up, a hard reset need only take 10-20 minutes, if that.
Suppose it serves me right for trying to mix up similies at 3am.
Your problem sending MMS's is probably to do with winmo getting the settings for T-Mobile slightly wrong.
Go to start->settings->menu->all settings->connections->connections->manage existing connections
edit the active connection and untick the box where it uses a proxy.
This is common to all winmo devices that automatically setup connections for T-Mobile.