Hi all.
Let's share our experience about batteries, this is more about hardware than software side. Where is better to buy quality replacement batteries and etc...
I'm using two normal capacity 1350 mAh replacement batteries on my HD2 Nexus android. Both of them I bought on ebay quite long time ago and... what can I say, they performing ok, maybe slightly worse that was original one (lost). Recently I bought extended battery on ebay, twice thick and twice heavier than original one with back cover, 2400 mAh. Strange thing, it lasts about the same (sometimes I think even less) as original capacity ones. Peope say do calibration... This is what I'm going to do tonight, but strange, these normal capacity ones have not done any calibrations and last well. The question, why double capacity one does'n last any longer???
I will update you about changes after calibration.
Because of the calibration it just charges it till the normal capacity battery would be full, and but since this is a extended capacity battery it will need to be calibrated so that it knows that it can be charged further.
But, that's my theory. just try it out and see for yourself.
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Tikras said:
Hi all.
Let's share our experience about batteries, this is more about hardware than software side. Where is better to buy quality replacement batteries and etc...
I'm using two normal capacity 1350 mAh replacement batteries on my HD2 Nexus android. Both of them I bought on ebay quite long time ago and... what can I say, they performing ok, maybe slightly worse that was original one (lost). Recently I bought extended battery on ebay, twice thick and twice heavier than original one with back cover, 2400 mAh. Strange thing, it lasts about the same (sometimes I think even less) as original capacity ones. Peope say do calibration... This is what I'm going to do tonight, but strange, these normal capacity ones have not done any calibrations and last well. The question, why double capacity one does'n last any longer???
I will update you about changes after calibration.
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Extended batteries will drain down to 15% then should stay there for a while. And even if the phone shuts down due to drainage all you have to do is remove the battery, put it back in and you're back to around 40%.
I use 2 extended ones from ebay and they last at least 1.5-1.75 longer than the skinny original htc one.
Try to wipe battery statistics in advanced option in CWR Recovery
Galaxy S3 Neo has a ridiculous stock 2100 mAh battery which offers a very poor duration. That's the reason I need an extended one. I have tried lots of extended batteries of different brands such as DSK, Anker, and one that I don't know its brand, I bought it from http://www.tucargadorsolar.com/. All of it have offered me a very poor duration. They are supposed to have twice the capacity of stock battery but here are the results that I got with all of them:
Original 2100 mAh battery, 100% charged, holds for 5:30 hours on continuous video playing until it reaches 5%.
Different extended batteries (4200 to 4400 mAh depending on the brand), 100% charged, hold for 6:45 hours on continuous video playing and in exactly the same conditions of the other test (screen brightness, bluetooth, wifi...).
I have repeated the test lots of times and always get the same results. If an extended battery of 4200 - 4400 mAh has a double capacity and original battery holds for 5:30 hours, why the extended one does not hold for the double, 11 hours?
I suppose that I have been testing batteries coming from not reliable brands.
I ordered a battery from Mugen Power 3 months ago, because it is supposed to be a reliable brand. But 3 months later still know nothing about the order I've made, and now they don't answer my e-mails.
What can I do? Is there another brand which is reliable enough to offer me a good duration?
I am really annoyed with this, I have lost very much money and time and all batteries I buy are in a very bad condition.
Well you could just money to buy another phone Anyway, if you're on stock, I can't say much, but using a custom kernel with governors etc, it would be really a great option as with the default battery, it last way more longer.
It's really strange, really. Have you calibrated the batteries right by reading the manuals? Are you sure about the capacities (Have you tested them with a multimeter)? Have in mind (if you haven't already known that) that I9300 batteries are exactly the same, because it's wide known and there are for sure reliable sources. A phone like Neo, is easily targeted with fake things. Last, you should buy from Amazon and read the reviews. Oh, did you try to contact with the companies?
Again, it's very strange....
S3 neo's battery functionality is a joke...
I try a lots of extended batterys baut only one is in right...Anker 7200mah(buy from amazon)
But s3 neo have a "bug"...completly charge of ectended batery is possible just if you replace battery after first charge to "100%" and put on charge again...aproximately after replace cell, phone was display the true charging %...
After 2x 3x replaces battery was true 100% charged...
Discharging is same way....after first 1-2% level replace the batt....it shows aprox. 70% after....
Replace "trick" is only one way to use extended batterys capacity.
Can i ask how many of you got your s6 edge + shipped to you with 0% battery? I have had 4 s6 edge + now the 1st one came with 0% battery shipped and next 2 came shipped with 60% battery and finally this one with 0% and switched off for months in amazon warehouse made in dec 2015.
Stupidly on of samsungs Vietnam manufacturing plants ships all their s6 edge plus with 0% battery i duno why they just do and i knew this when i saw the box. It has a diff sticker on imei from my 2nd and 3rd phone which was same batch different factory.
How many of you guys got yours with 0% battery and how has it affected your battery life over the year since release?
I hope there are some battery experts on here because im.in a mess i have to send back either my repaired one which i have now or this new 1 im.furious it came with 0% battery was switched off on its own and stored in amazon warehouse for up to a year. How much damage will that cause my battery long term?
Everywhere you read about batteries say dont let it drop to 0% and switch off on its own and dont let it stay like thst charge asap and dont let it happen too often.. so how.bad will my situation be?
0% battery less than 3.5V switched off for months at least 8 in low voltage state maybe 3.3V depends samsungs cut off protection circuit is set at does anyone know the voltage?
I use this new app called accubattery it's amazing it tells you battery capacity of your phone. Really amazing and it said the new phone had 90% capacity whereas my repaired one had 92% around 2750mah out of 3000mah. After a few days tho they are about the same.
My concern is will my new phone start to fail battery wise in a few months? I've asked battery experts online but cant get a clear cut answer just that dont let it drop to 2.5V as its dangerous but i dont know what effects letting it drop to potentially 3V will do. I mean when i plugged it in at 3% it was showing around 3550mv can the voltage really jump from 3V to 3.5V in 3 mins? I was using slow charger from s3.
Im tryna guestimate.what voltage it was stored at for 8 months to see if there was any permanent damage. I dont know but definitely being in storage caused me to only have 90% capacity out the box.
What complicates matters is package disabler pro wont let me use the old . version cos the note 7 fiasco has removed all options for Samsung bloatware i need so i feel stuck. I accidently uninstalled it on my repaired 1 not knowing i couldnt install the old version again.
Does anyone know what happens to a battery which is stored at less than 0% in a switched off state and is that worse than say consistently going up and down charging wise allowing it to switch off on its own consistently?
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Can i ask how many of you got your s6 edge + shipped to you with 0% battery? I have had 4 s6 edge + now the 1st one came with 0% battery shipped and next 2 came shipped with 60% battery and finally this one with 0% and switched off for months in amazon warehouse made in dec 2015.
Stupidly on of samsungs Vietnam manufacturing plants ships all their s6 edge plus with 0% battery i duno why they just do and i knew this when i saw the box. It has a diff sticker on imei from my 2nd and 3rd phone which was same batch different factory.
How many of you guys got yours with 0% battery and how has it affected your battery life over the year since release?
I hope there are some battery experts on here because im.in a mess i have to send back either my repaired one which i have now or this new 1 im.furious it came with 0% battery was switched off on its own and stored in amazon warehouse for up to a year. How much damage will that cause my battery long term?
Everywhere you read about batteries say dont let it drop to 0% and switch off on its own and dont let it stay like thst charge asap and dont let it happen too often.. so how.bad will my situation be?
0% battery less than 3.5V switched off for months at least 8 in low voltage state maybe 3.3V depends samsungs cut off protection circuit is set at does anyone know the voltage?
I use this new app called accubattery it's amazing it tells you battery capacity of your phone. Really amazing and it said the new phone had 90% capacity whereas my repaired one had 92% around 2750mah out of 3000mah. After a few days tho they are about the same.
My concern is will my new phone start to fail battery wise in a few months? I've asked battery experts online but cant get a clear cut answer just that dont let it drop to 2.5V as its dangerous but i dont know what effects letting it drop to potentially 3V will do. I mean when i plugged it in at 3% it was showing around 3550mv can the voltage really jump from 3V to 3.5V in 3 mins? I was using slow charger from s3.
Im tryna guestimate.what voltage it was stored at for 8 months to see if there was any permanent damage. I dont know but definitely being in storage caused me to only have 90% capacity out the box.
What complicates matters is package disabler pro wont let me use the old . version cos the note 7 fiasco has removed all options for Samsung bloatware i need so i feel stuck. I accidently uninstalled it on my repaired 1 not knowing i couldnt install the old version again.
Does anyone know what happens to a battery which is stored at less than 0% in a switched off state and is that worse than say consistently going up and down charging wise allowing it to switch off on its own consistently
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If you are shure that battery has been stored for 8 months without charge (0%), of course that battery has already some damages I mean, it hasn't all capacities of a new one. The worst things for lithium batteries is hi temperatures and be without any charge for long periods, cause the ions loose their signal or genre. So when they are at no charge, positive ones before can take negative charge now and negative ones before can take positive charge now. These ones will afect overall charge cause they came useless forever. Understand?
the theory of dont not let it drain to 0% seem to be a myth , which i recently find out after this note 7 fiasco after all these years , but leaving it totally drain at 0% for months is another issue , you managed to charge it ?
Hey xda,
I'm that kind of person who likes to keep his phones for 4-5 years.
To this day I'm still rocking my galaxy s4, many parts are available.
The oneplus 5 looks like a good phone to last at least 5 years, but as everyone knows, batteries fail, in my experience after about 2-2.5 years.
If I look for OPO batteries now, there only seem to be A: original OP batteries which have been laying in some warehouse for 4 years (bad for the battery) And B: third party batteries from questionable manufracturers (having bad reviews).
So my questions are:
What's your experience with oneplus 1/x/2/3 replacement parts (especially batteries) ?
Do you think it will be better with the oneplus 5 ?
(Should we push compagnies like RAVpower and anker to start producing op5 batteries? )
Thanks in advance,
nxss4
The oneplus 5 battery doesn't get hot when charged so theoretically it should last longer
Pro4TLZZ said:
The oneplus 5 battery doesn't get hot when charged so theoretically it should last longer
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Might be, but it also charges at a greater amperage. And eventually, it will fail..
It's probably too soon to see Op5 batteries on the market since the phone has only been out in Spring. And I think the OnePlus 3/3T was the first OnePlus phone that broke out of the niche market --and that phone is only a little over a year old so demand for new batteries probably isn't there yet. I would expect better choices becoming available for both phones since the OnePlus phones are becoming more popular. It seems possible this phone could last 5 years. I previously had Google phones and getting much more than 2 years out of those was like winning the lottery.
The phone may last, the battery not.
Batteries lose some of their capacity after a certain number of charge cycles, regardless what you do.
After a year or so, your battery will have about 80% of its capacity left. That's about 2400mAh after one year. By the second year you should be thinking about replacing it.
I think batteries in the past few years have gotten better. My one friend used his 2010 HTC desire for over 3 years before the original battery started to get weak (had like 70 percent of its original charge). His next phone I gave him was an HTC one s. The battery was still fine after 4 years when the amoled screen started to fail. Now he's using the 2013 moto x and the battery is still lasting 2 days like when I have it to him a couple years ago.
My galaxy s6 battery was still fine when I traded it in a few weeks ago. I've actually had quite a few older phones that didn't have any battery issues. The only ones I can remember having to replace the battery was a galaxy s3 I bought used and an HTC desire HD from 2011.
That said I'm sure we'll be able to get a battery because I do plan to keep this phone long enough to need a battery replacement. I'm guessing 4 years I will have to replace it.
With battery replacement costing $100+ you are probably better off buying a prior year midrange model than hauling around a clunker with severely outdated software for 5 years. For example, nowadays it is possible to purchase a Moto G5+ for around $220 NIB (there was a recent newegg deal).
Thank you so much for all the input guys!!!
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With battery replacement costing $100+ you are probably better off buying a prior year midrange model than hauling around a clunker with severely outdated software for 5 years. For example, nowadays it is possible to purchase a Moto G5+ for around $220 NIB (there was a recent newegg deal).
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My 5 years old galaxy s4 runs 7.1. Oneplus 5's developper community is even better so it'll stay up to date for a long time.
nxss4 said:
My 5 years old galaxy s4 runs 7.1. Oneplus 5's developper community is even better so it'll stay up to date for a long time.
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5 yr old screen tech
5 yr old battery consumption and processor speed
5 yr old other tech (fingerprint readers, camera, GPS, magnetometer, light sensor)
vs
nearly lastest for all of the above for $100 more. Note that unlike your S4 the OP5 is a sealed battery so unless you have the right tools you cannot change the battery yourself.
Yo money yo choices
I can change the battery myself. I've had a few phones apart before. Its not that difficult. The cost of a battery will probably be like $20. The tech has gotten to the point where it's not improving nearly as fast. People will be using 5 year old phones 5 years from now. They cost double what they did 5 years ago for a flagship.
GroovyGeek said:
5 yr old screen tech
5 yr old battery consumption and processor speed
5 yr old other tech (fingerprint readers, camera, GPS, magnetometer, light sensor)
vs
nearly lastest for all of the above for $100 more. Note that unlike your S4 the OP5 is a sealed battery so unless you have the right tools you cannot change the battery yourself.
Yo money yo choices
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I don't know, I think the oneplus 5 is an amazing future proof devices, in 5 years galaxies will probably not have 8gigs of ram,
I don't play games so the 835 should be more than enough, fingerprint reader will still be one of the fastest (it's already kinda instantaneous) and 1080p works just fine for me
The reason I'm not going for a budget phone anymore is that've had bad experiences with budget devices in the past:
- The nexus 7 was unusable after only 2 years, freaking slow.
- The moto g2 is the slowest device I've ever used, I think it has some memory problems, it's slow on any custom rom I've flashed on it.
In addition to that budget devices just give a worse experience overall
Don't worry for the battery, repairing electronics is my hobby
Pwnycorn said:
The phone may last, the battery not.
Batteries lose some of their capacity after a certain number of charge cycles, regardless what you do.
After a year or so, your battery will have about 80% of its capacity left. That's about 2400mAh after one year. By the second year you should be thinking about replacing it.
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That is an untrue statement. There is no set amount of time to determine lots of capacity. Look up BatteryUniversity.com and look for lithium battery page on charge cycles.
In short, never let your battery deplete completely. The depth of discharge (DoD) directly impacts loss of battery capacity. Your battery charge cycles is when your charge from more then 80% or less to full 100%. So for example... If you wait to charge your phone when it's under 25%, you will get roughly 250-350 charge cycles before significant lots of capacity. The rest goes like this... Charge at 25-50%, you'll get roughly 350-500 cycles and 50-75% 500-700 cycles and from 75%+ upwards of 1000 charge cycles.
My Nexus 6P was 18 months old and still had a capacity of 3100mah of 3400 (88%). So if you know what you're doing and take care of your battery, it can last much longer then expected expected.
Eric214 said:
That is an untrue statement. There is no set amount of time to determine lots of capacity. Look up BatteryUniversity.com and look for lithium battery page on charge cycles.
In short, never let your battery deplete completely. The depth of discharge (DoD) directly impacts loss of battery capacity. Your battery charge cycles is when your charge from more then 80% or less to full 100%. So for example... If you wait to charge your phone when it's under 25%, you will get roughly 250-350 charge cycles before significant lots of capacity. The rest goes like this... Charge at 25-50%, you'll get roughly 350-500 cycles and 50-75% 500-700 cycles and from 75%+ upwards of 1000 charge cycles.
My Nexus 6P was 18 months old and still had a capacity of 3100mah of 3400 (88%). So if you know what you're doing and take care of your battery, it can last much longer then expected expected.
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How is my statement untrue? You just confirmed what I said.
No matter what you do, the battery will lose capacity. You can lower the amount of the capacity loss, but you can't prevent it fully.
And most people don't charge their phones until around the 30% range. According to you, that's about 250-350 charge cycles. And if you charge once a day, that's roughly a year.
So my estimate of the battery having roughly 20% less capacity after approximately a year was correct.
Not to mention the other factors that aid in the capacity loss (overcharging and heat).
Trust me, the average user doesn't take care of their batteries. I observed this at my friends and acquaintances. They always use their phones until it gets very low and then charge it.
Pwnycorn said:
How is my statement untrue? You just confirmed what I said.
No matter what you do, the battery will lose capacity. You can lower the amount of the capacity loss, but you can't prevent it fully.
And most people don't charge their phones until around the 30% range. According to you, that's about 250-350 charge cycles. And if you charge once a day, that's roughly a year.
So my estimate of the battery having roughly 20% less capacity after approximately a year was correct.
Not to mention the other factors that aid in the capacity loss (overcharging and heat).
Trust me, the average user doesn't take care of their batteries. I observed this at my friends and acquaintances. They always use their phones until it gets very low and then charge it.
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I'm not staying they don't lose capacity, but why I said untrue is that you said batteries have a certain amount of charge cycles, and that will vary if you take care of your battery, and that after 1 year you will only have 80% of the capacity, and again, untrue. I was at 18 months and still at 88%.
I'm just saying is that is not set in stone and if people educate themselves on hour to take care of a battery it will last longer.
I'm also aware of this and charge my battery before it gets below 35 sometimes before 50. This is probably why so many phones I've had lasted well over 3 years on the original batteries.
Hi guys, about a month ago accidentally I dropped my phone, when I picked it up it was a bit thicker than usually so I opened it and the battery was a bit swollen and one of the corners from above was broken imgur.c om/a/KMLiaG2 . I knew that the swollen batteries should be changed because the risk of getting on fire or explosion, so I bought a new battery from a Telekom Shop, the only shop with batteries from my city imgur.c om/a/GOCQktK . I noticed that the new battery made in china is suddenly draining fast when reaches 37% and dies when it reaches 30%. I did numerous battery calibrations, deleting batterystats.bin, letting it in charge over night, factory resetting my phone but it was useless. It was still dying at 30%. I was going back to that shop and they ordered a new battery to change the defective one. After 3 days it arrived and guess what, this battery is draining fast as well, when reaches 25% till 5% and dies. If I use my old battery it still working good. I can use it 6-7 hours with no problems, but the batteries made in china are keeping about 3-4 hours till it start to drain fast. What's the problem? My phone has become accustomed to the old battery? For real now, 2 new battery in row and both of them are defective? Also, I noticed today that the new battery was 20% while charging, so I restarted the phone and it was 52%. Also, how is possible that my phone with new battery shows that the apps that use my battery are only 50%? I know that about 15% is used by phone background, but what is using the rest of 35%? imgur.c om/a/DEvd4F what's the problem??
That's just typical of cheap batteries. Unless you order an original online than your wasting your time.
Look up other manufacturers aswel with a good reputation.