Hey xda,
I'm that kind of person who likes to keep his phones for 4-5 years.
To this day I'm still rocking my galaxy s4, many parts are available.
The oneplus 5 looks like a good phone to last at least 5 years, but as everyone knows, batteries fail, in my experience after about 2-2.5 years.
If I look for OPO batteries now, there only seem to be A: original OP batteries which have been laying in some warehouse for 4 years (bad for the battery) And B: third party batteries from questionable manufracturers (having bad reviews).
So my questions are:
What's your experience with oneplus 1/x/2/3 replacement parts (especially batteries) ?
Do you think it will be better with the oneplus 5 ?
(Should we push compagnies like RAVpower and anker to start producing op5 batteries? )
Thanks in advance,
nxss4
The oneplus 5 battery doesn't get hot when charged so theoretically it should last longer
Pro4TLZZ said:
The oneplus 5 battery doesn't get hot when charged so theoretically it should last longer
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Might be, but it also charges at a greater amperage. And eventually, it will fail..
It's probably too soon to see Op5 batteries on the market since the phone has only been out in Spring. And I think the OnePlus 3/3T was the first OnePlus phone that broke out of the niche market --and that phone is only a little over a year old so demand for new batteries probably isn't there yet. I would expect better choices becoming available for both phones since the OnePlus phones are becoming more popular. It seems possible this phone could last 5 years. I previously had Google phones and getting much more than 2 years out of those was like winning the lottery.
The phone may last, the battery not.
Batteries lose some of their capacity after a certain number of charge cycles, regardless what you do.
After a year or so, your battery will have about 80% of its capacity left. That's about 2400mAh after one year. By the second year you should be thinking about replacing it.
I think batteries in the past few years have gotten better. My one friend used his 2010 HTC desire for over 3 years before the original battery started to get weak (had like 70 percent of its original charge). His next phone I gave him was an HTC one s. The battery was still fine after 4 years when the amoled screen started to fail. Now he's using the 2013 moto x and the battery is still lasting 2 days like when I have it to him a couple years ago.
My galaxy s6 battery was still fine when I traded it in a few weeks ago. I've actually had quite a few older phones that didn't have any battery issues. The only ones I can remember having to replace the battery was a galaxy s3 I bought used and an HTC desire HD from 2011.
That said I'm sure we'll be able to get a battery because I do plan to keep this phone long enough to need a battery replacement. I'm guessing 4 years I will have to replace it.
With battery replacement costing $100+ you are probably better off buying a prior year midrange model than hauling around a clunker with severely outdated software for 5 years. For example, nowadays it is possible to purchase a Moto G5+ for around $220 NIB (there was a recent newegg deal).
Thank you so much for all the input guys!!!
GroovyGeek said:
With battery replacement costing $100+ you are probably better off buying a prior year midrange model than hauling around a clunker with severely outdated software for 5 years. For example, nowadays it is possible to purchase a Moto G5+ for around $220 NIB (there was a recent newegg deal).
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My 5 years old galaxy s4 runs 7.1. Oneplus 5's developper community is even better so it'll stay up to date for a long time.
nxss4 said:
My 5 years old galaxy s4 runs 7.1. Oneplus 5's developper community is even better so it'll stay up to date for a long time.
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5 yr old screen tech
5 yr old battery consumption and processor speed
5 yr old other tech (fingerprint readers, camera, GPS, magnetometer, light sensor)
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nearly lastest for all of the above for $100 more. Note that unlike your S4 the OP5 is a sealed battery so unless you have the right tools you cannot change the battery yourself.
Yo money yo choices
I can change the battery myself. I've had a few phones apart before. Its not that difficult. The cost of a battery will probably be like $20. The tech has gotten to the point where it's not improving nearly as fast. People will be using 5 year old phones 5 years from now. They cost double what they did 5 years ago for a flagship.
GroovyGeek said:
5 yr old screen tech
5 yr old battery consumption and processor speed
5 yr old other tech (fingerprint readers, camera, GPS, magnetometer, light sensor)
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nearly lastest for all of the above for $100 more. Note that unlike your S4 the OP5 is a sealed battery so unless you have the right tools you cannot change the battery yourself.
Yo money yo choices
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I don't know, I think the oneplus 5 is an amazing future proof devices, in 5 years galaxies will probably not have 8gigs of ram,
I don't play games so the 835 should be more than enough, fingerprint reader will still be one of the fastest (it's already kinda instantaneous) and 1080p works just fine for me
The reason I'm not going for a budget phone anymore is that've had bad experiences with budget devices in the past:
- The nexus 7 was unusable after only 2 years, freaking slow.
- The moto g2 is the slowest device I've ever used, I think it has some memory problems, it's slow on any custom rom I've flashed on it.
In addition to that budget devices just give a worse experience overall
Don't worry for the battery, repairing electronics is my hobby
Pwnycorn said:
The phone may last, the battery not.
Batteries lose some of their capacity after a certain number of charge cycles, regardless what you do.
After a year or so, your battery will have about 80% of its capacity left. That's about 2400mAh after one year. By the second year you should be thinking about replacing it.
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That is an untrue statement. There is no set amount of time to determine lots of capacity. Look up BatteryUniversity.com and look for lithium battery page on charge cycles.
In short, never let your battery deplete completely. The depth of discharge (DoD) directly impacts loss of battery capacity. Your battery charge cycles is when your charge from more then 80% or less to full 100%. So for example... If you wait to charge your phone when it's under 25%, you will get roughly 250-350 charge cycles before significant lots of capacity. The rest goes like this... Charge at 25-50%, you'll get roughly 350-500 cycles and 50-75% 500-700 cycles and from 75%+ upwards of 1000 charge cycles.
My Nexus 6P was 18 months old and still had a capacity of 3100mah of 3400 (88%). So if you know what you're doing and take care of your battery, it can last much longer then expected expected.
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That is an untrue statement. There is no set amount of time to determine lots of capacity. Look up BatteryUniversity.com and look for lithium battery page on charge cycles.
In short, never let your battery deplete completely. The depth of discharge (DoD) directly impacts loss of battery capacity. Your battery charge cycles is when your charge from more then 80% or less to full 100%. So for example... If you wait to charge your phone when it's under 25%, you will get roughly 250-350 charge cycles before significant lots of capacity. The rest goes like this... Charge at 25-50%, you'll get roughly 350-500 cycles and 50-75% 500-700 cycles and from 75%+ upwards of 1000 charge cycles.
My Nexus 6P was 18 months old and still had a capacity of 3100mah of 3400 (88%). So if you know what you're doing and take care of your battery, it can last much longer then expected expected.
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How is my statement untrue? You just confirmed what I said.
No matter what you do, the battery will lose capacity. You can lower the amount of the capacity loss, but you can't prevent it fully.
And most people don't charge their phones until around the 30% range. According to you, that's about 250-350 charge cycles. And if you charge once a day, that's roughly a year.
So my estimate of the battery having roughly 20% less capacity after approximately a year was correct.
Not to mention the other factors that aid in the capacity loss (overcharging and heat).
Trust me, the average user doesn't take care of their batteries. I observed this at my friends and acquaintances. They always use their phones until it gets very low and then charge it.
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How is my statement untrue? You just confirmed what I said.
No matter what you do, the battery will lose capacity. You can lower the amount of the capacity loss, but you can't prevent it fully.
And most people don't charge their phones until around the 30% range. According to you, that's about 250-350 charge cycles. And if you charge once a day, that's roughly a year.
So my estimate of the battery having roughly 20% less capacity after approximately a year was correct.
Not to mention the other factors that aid in the capacity loss (overcharging and heat).
Trust me, the average user doesn't take care of their batteries. I observed this at my friends and acquaintances. They always use their phones until it gets very low and then charge it.
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I'm not staying they don't lose capacity, but why I said untrue is that you said batteries have a certain amount of charge cycles, and that will vary if you take care of your battery, and that after 1 year you will only have 80% of the capacity, and again, untrue. I was at 18 months and still at 88%.
I'm just saying is that is not set in stone and if people educate themselves on hour to take care of a battery it will last longer.
I'm also aware of this and charge my battery before it gets below 35 sometimes before 50. This is probably why so many phones I've had lasted well over 3 years on the original batteries.
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Im looking for an X1 replacement batter with the charger. I have this same exact thing for my HTC Touch Cruise and believe me it is a godsend. Instead of sitting there for my phone to charge, I have one in the dock charging all the time. So when I run low to dead just swap and in seconds I have new juice.
Link to the htc touch cruise one that i have
http://cgi.ebay.com/1350mAh-Battery...14&_trkparms=72:1205|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318
unless your a really power user you probably won't need to charge the battery that often given hercules is powering the x1 i think with heavy use you'd be good charging it probably once every 10-12 hours
What about with WiFi use?
I know on my Wizard the battery goes in about 2 hours with WiFi active even if its just idling with Messenger. Have they actually improved that much over the years? I'm hopeful but also skeptical.
WMVWifiRouter will kill your battery in an hour and a half.
I'd be curious to know if there are any reliable aftermarket batteries. Buying any Sony OEM parts are always ridiculously expensive and many aftermarket batteries don't work well with Sony products.
well based on what i've been reading about the X1 it's supposed to have a nice increase in battery life compared to our current HTC phones. supposedly sony made a special project just for the phone codename Hercules it's supposed to be using a 1800 mah li poly in stead of what we use in our current phones which is li ion supposedly using the li poly is going to give the battery a much needed boost that all ppc's need to go all day or maybe a couple of days given the usage
Li-poly batteries is over 20% higher than that of a classical Li-ion battery and they store more energy than nickel-cadmium (NiCd) and nickel metal hydride (NiMH) batteries of the same volume.
When compared to the lithium-ion battery, Li-poly has a greater life cycle degradation rate. However, in recent years, manufacturers have been declaring upwards of 500 charge-discharge cycles before the capacity drops to 80% (see Sanyo). Another variant of Li-poly cells, the "thin film rechargeable lithium battery", has been shown to provide more than 10,000 cycles.
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stole that from the wiki page
I've got extra batteries, so that isn't an issue. Could a mod be made, or an edit of a file, in a text editor, so I could disable this behavior?
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I've got extra batteries, so that isn't an issue. Could a mod be made, or an edit of a file, in a text editor, so I could disable this behavior?
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+1. I've always thought this but each time I forget to post a request about it lol. I too would love to see this mod.
I always have an extra oem battery with me too, but I'd also like to see this. I generally take my battery below 5% if I'm going to bed for the night soon and don't want to pop in a fresh battery and the battery has a little power left, I'll milk it
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I too would love to make this a reality, especially because I have the ZeroLemon 7500 mAH battery. 5% left with that is fairly substantial, and thus extra annoying to have to use it dimmed.
You do know that taking a lithium battery that low all the time is very bad for the battery. If you got spares why would you drain it like that? Most lithium batteries will fail after around 500 complete charge and discharges but can last 1000's of partial charges.
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You do know that taking a lithium battery that low all the time is very bad for the battery. If you got spares why would you drain it like that? Most lithium batteries will fail after around 500 complete charge and discharges but can last 1000's of partial charges.
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I have heard this before but so far I have not seen proof. I have been taking my batteries down to zero since the S1. And my daughter is still using the S1 with the original battery in it. And it still gets more than a days charge out of it. And I have done the same with the S2, S3 and my S4. All of which are going strong.
I know mileage varies but after four phones it doesn't seem to have an impact. And if it does have any impact it is very negligible. Enough that I can't tell.
Take the S1 for example. It was purchased on launch day. So it is three years old. That means it has probably close to 1000 charges. It has degraded some but that is normal for a battery that old.
Also look at it this way. If I charge my phone once it hits zero I am charging once a day at most. So 500 charges equals 500 days. If I charge my phone partially I would charge it at least twice a day, probably more. So 500 charges would be 250 days. So it would all work out close to the same in the end anyway.
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I have heard this before but so far I have not seen proof. I have been taking my batteries down to zero since the S1. And my daughter is still using the S1 with the original battery in it. And it still gets more than a days charge out of it. And I have done the same with the S2, S3 and my S4. All of which are going strong.
I know mileage varies but after four phones it doesn't seem to have an impact. And if it does have any impact it is very negligible. Enough that I can't tell.
Take the S1 for example. It was purchased on launch day. So it is three years old. That means it has probably close to 1000 charges. It has degraded some but that is normal for a battery that old.
Also look at it this way. If I charge my phone once it hits zero I am charging once a day at most. So 500 charges equals 500 days. If I charge my phone partially I would charge it at least twice a day, probably more. So 500 charges would be 250 days. So it would all work out close to the same I the end anyway.
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Plus you wear out the charging port more (obviously) when you keep plugging it in/out.
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Plus you wear out the charging port more (obviously) when you keep plugging it in/out.
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That's why external chargers are a beautiful thing! I have two for my s2.
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You do know that taking a lithium battery that low all the time is very bad for the battery. If you got spares why would you drain it like that? Most lithium batteries will fail after around 500 complete charge and discharges but can last 1000's of partial charges.
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i've had my battery go completley dead many times...no issues so far
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You do know that taking a lithium battery that low all the time is very bad for the battery. If you got spares why would you drain it like that? Most lithium batteries will fail after around 500 complete charge and discharges but can last 1000's of partial charges.
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It is correct that lithium cells can be damaged if discharged beyond a certain point. However, most batteries containing lithium cells are "smart" and contain circuitry which will prevent the cells from being discharged (or overcharged) to the point at which damage will occur.
So I got a brand new S8+ approximately a week ago. The battery has barely had 10 charging cycles and according to the fg_fullcapnom file my battery is already at 3244 mAh. And what's worse is that it's degrading with every charge cycle. If you're gonna tell me that it's due to fast charging then why does Samsung include one in the box if it's not suitable for your device. I intend to keep this phone a long time and if in the first week the battery has gone down so much then I can't imagine what it's gonna be at the end of the year. Any suggestions anyone can give me? Should I use a different charging brick? Like the original Apple iPad charger or a smaller/lower output charger. Or should I take my phone back to Samsung since I got it with one year warranty. But then again what do I explain to them, they probably don't even know what the fgfullcapnom file is.
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So I got a brand new S8+ approximately a week ago. The battery has barely had 10 charging cycles and according to the fg_fullcapnom file my battery is already at 3244 mAh. And what's worse is that it's degrading with every charge cycle. If you're gonna tell me that it's due to fast charging then why does Samsung include one in the box if it's not suitable for your device. I intend to keep this phone a long time and if in the first week the battery has gone down so much then I can't imagine what it's gonna be at the end of the year. Any suggestions anyone can give me? Should I use a different charging brick? Like the original Apple iPad charger or a smaller/lower output charger. Or should I take my phone back to Samsung since I got it with one year warranty. But then again what do I explain to them, they probably don't even know what the fgfullcapnom file is.
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Return it if that is correct. Should drop at max 15% capacity in a full year
ThaRealSaad said:
So I got a brand new S8+ approximately a week ago. The battery has barely had 10 charging cycles and according to the fg_fullcapnom file my battery is already at 3244 mAh.
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I'm betting that fullcapawapanom isn't very accurate. Enjoy your phone and stop worrying what some file says, if you get 5+ hours of sot you're good.
Hey there,
I have a question to which I maybe know the answer but anyway... Today I used my phone as I would normally and got 3 hours screen-on time and 5-6 of total time since unplugged (also restarted the device once). So I decided to go into android's default battery screen in settings to see which apps may be causing some drain. While there I decided to open up each individual screen and calculate how much mAh in total has been used during this time. Phone was at 5% when I did this so I was expecting the total mAh sum of everything shown in the stats to be around 2600-2700mAh. To my surprise, the sum was 1084mAh The battery is 2800mAh and it said that the total power usage today was 1084mAh (almost 3 times lesser than the battery capacity!) and the phone was almost dead at 5%. Is it time to buy a new battery? Share your experience please. Btw if I get 3h SOT with 1084mAh in total (according to these stats) then I'd get 7-8h SOT with a brand new battery? Maybe I've forgotten how long the S5 can actually last with a brand new battery or maybe I'm doing it wrong, help with some info please
PS: Charger connects are more than 2200 according to the Phone Info app.
It also says that it needs 1 hour to charge the phone from 1% to 100%. That's not normal right? I forgot what a brand new battery feels like...help. Today got 9h total time and 3h sot.
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It also says that it needs 1 hour to charge the phone from 1% to 100%. That's not normal right? I forgot what a brand new battery feels like...help. Today got 9h total time and 3h sot.
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The sign of a significantly worn battery is when it charges far to fast.
The standard charger provides 2A. The battery is 2.8Ah. Therefore to charge it (2.8/2), it should take about 1 hours 30 minutes if the phone is turned off and if the charger outputs a continuous 2A, which it doesn't.
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The sign of a significantly worn battery is when it charges far to fast.
The standard charger provides 2A. The battery is 2.8Ah. Therefore to charge it (2.8/2), it should take about 1 hours 30 minutes if the phone is turned off and if the charger outputs a continuous 2A, which it doesn't.
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It still charges for 2-2.5 hours, it only says that it needs 1 hour. It goes up to 85-90% during the first hour and then from that to 100% in the next 1-1.5 hours. Still, looks like I'll just get a new one very soon. At least I can swap it and it's cheap.
Actually, it's time for a new device!
Hi
If you have been using your S5 since 2014 then it's time for a new device not a new battery. A new battery won't make any difference because there's no battery replaces the original one (the one that comes with the device). What you see on the market advertised as genuine Samsung batteries are all fake/replicas with no exception. Samsung does *not* manufacture genuine batteries for sale separately. It's a simple marketing strategy, Samsung wants you to buy a new device every 4 years, these 4 years are the life of the battery (not the device). If Samsung sold the genuine battery separately then few people will buy a new device sooner, and most of them will only replace the battery every 4 years and continue using the device for next 4 years, that's so bad for Samsung.
So my advice is: Hurry up, sell you device sooner before its battery gets worse.
Hope that helps
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Hi
If you have been using your S5 since 2014 then it's time for a new device not a new battery. A new battery won't make any difference because there's no battery replaces the original one (the one that comes with the device). What you see on the market advertised as genuine Samsung batteries are all fake/replicas with no exception. Samsung does *not* manufacture genuine batteries for sale separately. It's a simple marketing strategy, Samsung wants you to buy a new device every 4 years, these 4 years are the life of the battery (not the device). If Samsung sold the genuine battery separately then few people will buy a new device sooner, and most of them will only replace the battery every 4 years and continue using the device for next 4 years, that's so bad for Samsung.
So my advice is: Hurry up, sell you device sooner before its battery gets worse.
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But I still like my S5 :S I'll get a Note 9 or 10 some time when the price drops. I'm not rich Have had the S5 since 2015.
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But I still like my S5 :S I'll get a Note 9 or 10 some time when the price drops. I'm not rich Have had the S5 since 2015.
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We both are in the same boat my friend. But remember, once the 4 years pass, every day you keep your device is a nail in its coffin.
So I just replaced my original 3500 mAh battery with the 3880 one I got and according to accubattery it's barely charging it to full capacity?
I've done 3 full drain to 0 and charge to 100 cycles so far
The replacement battery
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WRRF4TF?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Anyone have any ideas what's up?
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So I just replaced my original 3500 mAh battery with the 3880 one I got and according to accubattery it's barely charging it to full capacity?
I've done 3 full drain to 0 and charge to 100 cycles so far
The replacement battery
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WRRF4TF?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
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A lot of these aftermarket batteries are lies cheats and theif's. I got a 3300 for my s8 and it only hot 2980. And its supposed to be a good one. I have very rarely seen aftermarket better than oem unless its noticeably larger. Amazon Ebay all of them are guilty of selling sub par cheaply made batteries. And if I had to guess your is one too.
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A lot of these aftermarket batteries are lies cheats and theif's. I got a 3300 for my s8 and it only hot 2980. And its supposed to be a good one. I have very rarely seen aftermarket better than oem unless its noticeably larger. Amazon Ebay all of them are guilty of selling sub par cheaply made batteries. And if I had to guess your is one too.
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Siigh I knew I probably should of known better then to trust any dumb Amazon reviews. But I was also wondering if it has anything to do with the phone thinking it still has 3500 battery and limiting a full charge so it doesn't get overcharged?
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Siigh I knew I probably should of known better then to trust any dumb Amazon reviews. But I was also wondering if it has anything to do with the phone thinking it still has 3500 battery and limiting a full charge so it doesn't get overcharged?
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Nah. It can detect the voltage too. It's hard to go by the reviews a lot I bet most reviews in the markets are some form of friends family or paid reviewers. Only problem is even suposed legit batteries are scams and or fakes. Half the time. I've had to replace my battery 3 times in the last year all from ifixit. this one now is only a month old and already showing me like 2900 or so mah. Its showing like a 95% health already.
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Nah. It can detect the voltage too. It's hard to go by the reviews a lot I bet most reviews in the markets are some form of friends family or paid reviewers. Only problem is even suposed legit batteries are scams and or fakes. Half the time. I've had to replace my battery 3 times in the last year all from ifixit. this one now is only a month old and already showing me like 2900 or so mah. Its showing like a 95% health already.
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Jeez that's crazy I had no idea there was such a battery racket. Guess I just ****ed the water resistance on my phone for nothing
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Jeez that's crazy I had no idea there was such a battery racket. Guess I just ****ed the water resistance on my phone for nothing
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Ah if you needed a battery you needed a battery. That's another gimmick imo. My s8 has never been wet. I dont trust that crap either. I still keep mine in a life proof. ? there's great batteries out there dont get me wrong. It's just hard to find em. I try to get them from authorized service centers if I can.
My batteries where shot. My orig died out with only 4 to 5 hours off the charger 1 hour at most of screen on time. Even though mines not at capacity I'm still back to full day and about 5 hours of use again. I've had better. But my s8 is over 2 years old now.
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Ah if you needed a battery you needed a battery. That's another gimmick imo. My s8 has never been wet. I dont trust that crap either. I still keep mine in a life proof. there's great batteries out there dont get me wrong. It's just hard to find em. I try to get them from authorized service centers if I can.
My batteries where shot. My orig died out with only 4 to 5 hours off the charger 1 hour at most of screen on time. Even though mines not at capacity I'm still back to full day and about 5 hours of use again. I've had better. But my s8 is over 2 years old now.
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Yeah I'm getting about 8 to 12 hours now with pretty heavy use so I guess could be worse..