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How stupid is it to upgrade to Windows 8 on your main laptop? I use it for photoshop and microsoft office.
I don't have enough space to partition the drive, but I really want windows 8. I just am worried about regretting it.
I have installed it on my main machine, no problems, runs everything I install, I have Photoshop Element 9 and it runs well. Download the Consumer Preview Setup Program, run it first to see if you'll run into problems, you can either continue to install from Setup Program, this will download and install in a accordance with how you wish to install, or you can download .iso, burn to DVD, just cancer Setup Program and install from DVD, I did it that way. Jim
its always best to install a beta OS on either a different partition or second drive. to make it so you can get another partition you have to shrink the space of the current one.
I can say that Photoshop works fine, i don't use MS Office so can't help you there. A second partition or a virtual machine would be your best bet if your unsure though.
I agree. I set up a partition to test all the programs I currently run. They all passed with flying colors (sorry, no PS or MSOffice ).
Once I was satisfied, I deleted the partition, installed 8 on my primary, and now I'm 100% windows 8 on my PC. Loving it!
guys, c'mon, its a beta! Betas expire!
There may be a way to upgrade to purchased W8 without losing everything, then again there may not, we'll have to wait and see. There's definitely not going to be a way to easily "step back down" to windows 7 or older.
Obviously you can backup files and reinstall some programs, but you have to think about this realistically
Im not sure but is the consumer preview out yet?
Bcoz ive been using the developer's pre on my laptop dual booting alongside win 7 ofc...Since its really buggy.....(I.E: While gaming or using a program accidentally clicking on the bottom left side of your screen(clicking the startup button)will bring u back to desktop.
Might aswell wait for the betas coz it feels like it more in an alpha mode right now!
Developer preview was alpha, consumer preview is the beta & much less buggy & out now.
As for upgrading later to full release, it doesn't take much to back up your documents if you have too.
The consumer preview comes in a couple of different flavours, iso & installer. The installer allows you to upgrade windows seven keeping your documents and programs that are known to be compatible. However, that option didn't work for me when I tried it. It would point to Microsoft making an effort to make migration to windows 8 in the future a lot less painful.
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Im not sure but is the consumer preview out yet?
Bcoz ive been using the developer's pre on my laptop dual booting alongside win 7 ofc...Since its really buggy.....(I.E: While gaming or using a program accidentally clicking on the bottom left side of your screen(clicking the startup button)will bring u back to desktop.
Might aswell wait for the betas coz it feels like it more in an alpha mode right now!
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that's not a bug, that's by design.
and that holds true for the consumer preview as well, which is out now, has been for a while.
How many of you installed it like This:
http://www.hyper-v.nu/archives/hvre...oot-from-vhd-with-windows-8-consumer-preview/
or http://www.hanselman.com/blog/Guide...s8DeveloperPreviewOffAVHDVirtualHardDisk.aspx
When you are done, Just delete the VHD drive I have it running on 2 machines and everything is working fine.
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How many of you installed it like This:
http://www.hyper-v.nu/archives/hvre...oot-from-vhd-with-windows-8-consumer-preview/
or http://www.hanselman.com/blog/Guide...s8DeveloperPreviewOffAVHDVirtualHardDisk.aspx
When you are done, Just delete the VHD drive I have it running on 2 machines and everything is working fine.
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I would have suggested this too. Safest way to test w8. Gives you access to your main harddrive too. Just make sure ur main partition is ntfs. To make following the tutorial easy.
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1. If Im running windows 7 64bit, can I upgrade to a windows 8 64bit right from windows 7 without having to format hard drive?
2. If so, can I create a restore point in windows 7 in case I want to go back once windows 8 is installed?
Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
For question 1, yes, this is what I did.
For question 2 I don't know.
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1. If Im running windows 7 64bit, can I upgrade to a windows 8 64bit right from windows 7 without having to format hard drive?
2. If so, can I create a restore point in windows 7 in case I want to go back once windows 8 is installed?
Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
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yes you can. the installer will give you options on what you want to keep
no. you must create a restore image on an external hard drive if you want to return back to windows 7
In-place upgrades are possible and are technically a supported scenario, but they are a *terrible* idea. They are, at best, going to save you a bit of time reinstalling apps (even though the install process itself takes vastly longer when doing an in-place upgrade, so I'm not sure it's a net positive even there). At worst, you'll end up with an unbootable system due to an unexpected driver incompatibility or something silly like that, lose all your data, and need to reformat and do a clean install anyhow. The usual result is somewhere in between; your system will be less stable than it should be, will take longer to boot up, some programs won't work after the upgrade and will need to be reinstalled anyhow, and at some point in the near-ish future (six months to two years) your systme will develop odd misbehaviors that will require you to effectively reinstall WIndows anyhow (that's what the refresh and reset operations in Win8 basically do, with or without preserving your files, respectively).
Also, if you opt for a clean install, you'll know you have a backup of all your data. That's pretty valuable. You can (and should; the bit about the upgrade failing and you losing access to your data was not a joke) make such a backup anyhow, of course.
As for being able to revert to Win7, the only way that'll happen is if you back up the whole system drive. Restore points don't work between major versions; if you do an in-place upgrade, you won't be able to downgrade it again short of restoring a backup or wiping the system and instally Win7 cleanly.
I did it
SysAdmNj said:
1. If Im running windows 7 64bit, can I upgrade to a windows 8 64bit right from windows 7 without having to format hard drive?
2. If so, can I create a restore point in windows 7 in case I want to go back once windows 8 is installed?
Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
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After doing an in place Upgrade on my box i hope my story will help you.
I simply couldn't resist the offer MS made 'til 28 Feb 2013 so i downloaded Windows 8 64 Bit to my Laptop and after the Upgrade Assistant gave me a green light and promised except for the ATI drivers everything should work out i started the upgrade. After roughly 4 h the Upgrade process was done and windows 8 ready. Even the mentioned ATI driver was not a big problem because after the initial upgrade windows 8 asked if i would care to update it and did so.
Windows 8 is creating a Backup of your current installation so there is a restore point you can use. I did not try it out and after 2 weeks i deleted the restore Point.
So far so good. The installation wasn't that complicated. Unfortunately after that i could no longer install any Program or update. The reason behind it was that the upgrade process is exchanging something in the users Registry and after that the security checks simply denied me access to the file System. Even booting in recovery mode did not help (just like my Android GBook tablet at the moment ) . Only way to cope this was to create a new User with Admin Rights as a replacement. Doing so one of my document Folders got lost in transition. I still have no Idea what happened but after moving a Folder from MyDocuments user old to MyDocouments user new the Move process suddenly died and the files where gone. I did have a Backup so luckily it was just annoying but still gave me a rough time figuring out what happened.
You will probably be bothered to reinstall some applications (MS Apps will work) and the new interface is something to get used to for a Lot of Developers.
My System turned quiet a bit slower because of the ever running index service etc. Indexing is even denying write access to newly created files quite regularly and you will have to wait for it to finish before file operations are possible. You definitively have to tune system services if you want a system that is not slowing you down.
My final advice after 2 Month using Win8?
Don't do an in place upgrade it if you don't have to. Windows 7 was working perfectly for me. After 15 years of IT Support under my belly (even thou most of it doing Back-office Servers) Win7 felt like an OS that wasn't in the way and did a great Job. Windows 8 will get in your way via slowing down your Box and making steps that were natural in win7 more cumbersome.
Especially System settings are more or less hidden (because the average "dummy" user needs to be protected from it :silly: ) and are hard to find. Turning every entry in your Start menu into an Metro Icon does not Help either. It's just messing up your start screen. Be Prepared to switch between metro and "normal Desktop" quite often if you are still using "older" programs. Even if you don't want to your Program will decide for you .
I think a fresh install helps in that category because it might make it easier to "switch your mind" to the new environment. It will also be a chance to clean your System of old and rarely used programs.
If you still want your Upgrade make sure your Backups are up to date and Working!
Hope this is helping you out.
Cheers
Lanman99
Thanks for enlightening us on the new screw-ups and mishaps of Win8 upgrades. The availability of the downgrade restore point is a new and welcome change, but the rest sounds about right for an upgrade.
Four hours to upgrade (when a clean install takes 15 minutes): check
Permissions messed up afterward: check
Performace actually decreased (even though a clean install of Win8 performs better than a clean install of Win7 on the same hardware): check
Data loss (your Documents folder): check
As for your points re: Win8 itself: first of all, if your only experience with it is based on that abomination of an in-place upgraded system, assume everything you "know" about the OS from that experience is wrong. I've been running Win8 for ~1.5 years now (counting betas) and have never had the problem with indexing service (which runs low-priority and doesn't take system resources that you're trying to use for anything else), data loss from library or folder movement, or any of the other problems you mention. I did try an upgrade install during the betas, but the result was trash - a bunch of features didn't work afterward, and the performance was worse than it should be - and the response when I reported the issues was "do a clean install". Upgrade installs are only *technically* supported; even MS thinks they're a bad idea.
Judging on OS based on an upgrade install is like judging a car model based on taking that car's interior and body, but replacing the engine, transmission, suspension, electronics, wheels, brakes, lights, and wipers with random junk you pulled out of a wrecking yard (without checking the original model) and beat into shape with a hammer and a hacksaw. Sure, it *looks* like it's easier (cheaper than making the needed money to buy the actual model) than buying a new car, and if you're really careful and moderately lucky, it will actually run pretty well and not strand you in the middle of nowhere or burst into flame or something awkward like that. It's going to be a complete pain in the ass to maintain though, you'll end up having spent a ton of time hacking it together in the first place and then keeping it running until you quickly pass the point where it would have been easier to just get the new car, and in the meantime it will never perform as well as it "should" have. Putting a bunch of junk car parts in a BMW body does not mean you're driving a BMW.
By the way, those problems that I didn't have? That even includes the "switching back and forth" thing, because I found it was a lot better to just not use Metro at all. I treat the Start screen the same way I treat the Start menu on older NT6.x versions: an irrelevant graphical thing that pops up for the half second where I type the name of a program I want, in between when I hit the Windows key and when I hit Enter. I pinned my most-used apps to the taskbar. My typical admin stuff is on the Win+X (or right-click the Start button - yes, there is one, it's just hidden until you hover over it) menu. Outlook is a better mail client than Mail, and better scheduling tool than Calendar. Pidgin is better than Messenger. If for some reason I want to log into Facebook, I have this thing called a "web browser" (which runs in a window, with all its features instead of a crippled subset of them, thank you very much).
Metro Skype is good enough I do use it sometimes, although I snap it to one edge of my (very wide) screen so it doesn't get in the way; I've considered going back to desktop Skype anyhow. Desktop SkyDrive is much better than the Metro one. Same for desktop OneNote vs. the Metro version. The only Metro apps I actually use much are games, and frankly I don't use Metro games that often on my main (desktop) Win8 box; why would I, when I could play Eve Online or Civilization / Alpha Centauri instead?
I only had the problem of a few games and visual studio needing a reinstall on my upgraded system. Not one of the other issues mentioned.
Oh, also had an issue where before the update it said my GPU drivers wouldn't work post upgrade, they did and as soon as I upgraded I was able to obtain native windows 8 drivers anyway. My integrated GPU was fine.
GoodDayToDie said:
Thanks for enlightening us on the new screw-ups and mishaps of Win8 upgrades. The availability of the downgrade restore point is a new and welcome change, but the rest sounds about right for an upgrade....
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Abomination is probably a bit harsh (i'm still working on that monster )
Don't get me wrong. I don't wan't to bash windows 8 for the sake of it. I just don't see a urgent reason to advise SysAdmNj to upgrade. Especially not an in-place upgrade. And i definitely agree that a clean install is the first choice to move to any new OS.
BUT surprisingly i pulled the same stunt growing from Vista to win7 on my Dell Studio 17 which went great. I had 1 issue with the on-board camera but other than that my notebook was running better, faster and more stable afterward and that was the primary reason why i tried it again with win7 to win8 on my lenovo. Still i got it working and at least it gave me valuable support experience and it's a dirty job but somebody...
Reason to try Metro is also based on my Idea to stay ahead of my Users. I think Metrostyle systems will be heading in our direction if we want it or not. It is to tempting for the marketing branches of our major OS vendors so i keep tinkering with it.
That "Back and Forth" simply lies in the program designs. It will just take me some time to get used to it, sorry but i'm old ).
Some of my apps (namely Hotmail which became Outlook) are seamlessly integrated and as you already mentioned much better than before most others are still written for WinXP/Vista/7 and will bring you back to familiar havens. Internet is done by a heavily customized FF portable, so carefree covered.
My main critique boils down to System settings Metro style. A lot of settings, tools and tweaks which grew into supporters hands look castrated to fit the average users need. That really is annoying. It looks i have to brush up on system scripting skills to support my colleagues. Thought i could get away with less typing these days :crying:.
...and yes switching a self patched '74 Beetle engine in a 2013 Beamer won't make a Racing machine but it looks funny trying to get away with it .
Right click the start icon on the desktop and there is a control panel link. Just the same as win7
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Right click the start icon on the desktop and there is a control panel link. Just the same as win7
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Yes if you are on your desktop. Starting up Metro won't give you that. You have to switch to your Desktop first. Or activate "All Apps" and sidescroll to Systemsettings. Besides it is not integrated which leads you again to your Desktop.
So System Settings = getting around Metro. The Settings Metro offers are still limited. Which IMHO is not a good way to do it. Yes it sounds nitpicking but if MS decides to get completely rid of our beloved Desktop, Metro is all you get.
But as i said, maybe just getting old...
On the metro start screen if you start typing it automatically fires up search. Type control and usually control panel is right there in front of you. Very quick and metro based.
But I agree, we could do with a native metro control panel.
SixSixSevenSeven said:
On the metro start screen if you start typing it automatically fires up search. Type control and usually control panel is right there in front of you. Very quick and metro based.
But I agree, we could do with a native metro control panel.
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In windows 8.2, there is supposed to be the Pc settings with more options like power options in it. This will not get rid of the desktop control panel though
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Maybe I should have created a poll. Should I stay on windows 7 or upgrade?
I dont know now. I'm not crazy about windows 8. I'm fine on windows 7. Thing is most laptops come with windows 8 so I thought I might as well start familiarizing myself more. Although to be honest I think even if I was to buy a new laptop with windows 8, I would just clone that image and just restore a windows 7 image with all my apps etc. That or just change the hdd with mines
But thanks for all the insights.
Win8 does perform better, and has some cool new features (built-in ISO mounting, for example, is long overdue). If you do what I do, and mostly treat it as Win7 that has one more slot on the Taskbar than normal, it's a great OS. There are some things that mildly bug me, like the removal of window border transparency, but that's hardly a big deal.
The Win+X menu (or right-click on Start) can be done from anywhere; you don't have to be on the Desktop already. Selecting the Control Panel from that menu will open up the Desktop-mode Control Panel whether you're in the Desktop, the Start screen, or some Metro app.
I actually prefer the lack of border transparency and the flat colours etc, guess that's just personal preference though.
If you have a spare box--techies should always have a spare box--pop Win8 onto it to play around. If you're happy with Win7, I'd stick with that for your production box(es).
It's OK to skip Win8 (and 8.1). It's a transition rev, and biz won't migrate to it. There'll be more changes when Win9 rolls out next year, so even if you're set on sticking with Win, you can save half the work by jumping on Win9 then, because sure as heck you won't stay with 8.x when 9 is out.
Basically, if it's fun, then do it. If it's work, then don't.
There hasn't even been so much as a hint from Microsoft that there will be a windows 9 any time soon. I think we're in for a few more years of updates yet, windows 8 can still be "fixed".
Microsft stated - over a year ago, I think - that Windows was moving to an annual, smaller-releases cycle. Win8 and WP8 were the first OSed released after that announcement, with "Blue" for Windows and Windows Phone expected later this year (about one year after the W*8 releases). WP9-related job postings, referencing that OS by name/number, have already been posted on LinkedIn as well.
How difficult would it be to dual boot / put Ubuntu on the Dell Venue 8 Pro as a secondary os?
Would grub work on this tab?
How stable would it be?
Thanks guys!
Check out this thread for the Asus T100, its a bay trail tablet so results on it will be very similar to your Dell:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2500078
Basically things are still pretty unstable as of now, I imagine someday Ubuntu/Linux will get better bay trail support.
spunker88 said:
Check out this thread for the Asus T100, its a bay trail tablet so results on it will be very similar to your Dell:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2500078
Basically things are still pretty unstable as of now, I imagine someday Ubuntu/Linux will get better bay trail support.
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Sweet, thanks.
I really think that there should be individual forums for individual devices, or at least device processors making it easier to navigate... Even when searching it's still hard to ruffle through, to what you need, so w/ out an individual like your self, I wouldn't of found that.
Thanks!
Android 4.x and Windows 8.x dual boot
I know this would be considered overkill but my curiosity is simply if it can be done?. It would be cool to rock both KitKat and Windows 8.x on the same slate. Maybe the Android versions of the venue can share drivers. Who knows, I'm just putting the thought out there.
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I know this would be considered overkill but my curiosity is simply if it can be done?. It would be cool to rock both KitKat and Windows 8.x on the same slate. Maybe the Android versions of the venue can share drivers. Who knows, I'm just putting the thought out there.
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it would be pretty sweet with android dual boot!
ericerk said:
Sweet, thanks.
I really think that there should be individual forums for individual devices, or at least device processors making it easier to navigate... Even when searching it's still hard to ruffle through, to what you need, so w/ out an individual like your self, I wouldn't of found that.
Thanks!
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it's not big enough to warrant it's own (sub) forum... maybe you can convince the admins to add one for Bay Trail devices
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I know this would be considered overkill but my curiosity is simply if it can be done?. It would be cool to rock both KitKat and Windows 8.x on the same slate. Maybe the Android versions of the venue can share drivers. Who knows, I'm just putting the thought out there.
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it can be done. just takes time (and money )
someone should try to see if the bootia32 hack needs to be done for the Venue Pro line too (BIOS/UEFI only recognizes 32-bit bootloaders). or send me their device and let me play with it. microcenter has an open box venue 8 pro for $185, might be tempted to buy one now
EDIT: looks like all bay trail devices ship with 32-bit only firmware .... sigh
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it's not big enough to warrant it's own (sub) forum... maybe you can convince the admins to add one for Bay Trail devices
it can be done. just takes time (and money )
someone should try to see if the bootia32 hack needs to be done for the Venue Pro line too (BIOS/UEFI only recognizes 32-bit bootloaders). or send me their device and let me play with it. microcenter has an open box venue 8 pro for $185, might be tempted to buy one now
EDIT: looks like all bay trail devices ship with 32-bit only firmware .... sigh
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Keep me posted!! It's a pretty nifty little device
The first thing we need to do is disable secure boot on the Transformer Book. That’s pretty easy to do, with these steps. Note that you can complete these steps with the USB drive plugged in or without it — but I had a bit more luck without it.
1. Swipe from the right side of the screen to bring up the Charms menu.
2. Tap “Settings.”
3. Choose the “Change PC settings” option at the bottom.
4. On the following screen tap “Update and recovery.”
5. At the next screen, choose “recovery.”
6. Under the Advanced startup section, choose “Restart now.”
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7. This will reboot your device to a blue screen with large icons. Choose the one that says Troubleshoot.
8. At the following screen choose “Advanced Options.”
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9. Next, select “UEFI Firmware Settings.
10. Finally hit the “Restart” button.
This will reboot your device into the UEFI settings area, which looks like an old-school BIOS menu. The touchscreen and touchpad won’t work here, but you can navigate using the arrow keys and enter key on the keyboard.
11. Use the arrow keys to get to the Security tab.
12. Scroll down to Secure Boot menu and hit “Enter.
13. Make sure Secure Boot Support is selected, and hit Enter again to bring up a screen that says “Enabled” or “Disabled.”
14. Choose Disabled and hit enter.
15. Hit the Esc key.
Now Secure Boot is disabled. You could theoretically save and exit at this point. But instead, this is the time when I’d recommend plugging in the USB flash drive.
Once it’s plugged in, move on to the next step.
16. Move over to the Save & Exit tab, highlight “Save Changes and Exit” and hit Enter.
17. As the system reboots, press and hold the F2 key so that you return to the UEFI Settings menu.
18. This time when you navigate to the Save & Exit menu you should see an option under Boot Override that says “UEFI” and has the name of your USB flash drive.
19. Select that boot override option and hit enter.
If all goes according to plan, your device should now boot into a GRUB bootloader menu, giving you the option of trying or installing Ubuntu.
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I strongly suggest you use the “Try Ubuntu without installing” option at this point — unless you really know what you’re doing. This will let you run Ubuntu without altering your Windows files at all.
Getting past the command line.
We’re not quite done yet though. While Ubuntu should boot up on your system at this point, you’ll probably see the Ubuntu logo for a moment or two and then get dumped out at a command prompt.
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Here’s how to get past that point:
1. Type the following commands, and hit enter after each.
2. cd /
3. cd usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/
4. sudo rm vesa_drv.so
5. startx
You should see a flurry of text scroll by and then a mouse cursor will appear on screen. A moment later, you should see the full Ubuntu Unity desktop environment.
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Keep in mind, you won’t be able to use WiFi out of the box, since Ubuntu doesn’t recognize the device’s wireless adapter. The screen resolution will be stuck at 800 x 600, which could look funny. And there’s no touchscreen support — so while you can detach the screen from the keyboard, you won’t be able to do much with it.
The user interface may also be a bit sluggish — in order to get the X Server to load a graphical user interface, we had to delete the vesa graphics driver. It may be possible to load an alternate driver to improve performance.
But now that we know it’s possible to get alternate operating systems to boot on the Transformer Book T100, it should also be possible for people to figure out how to configure them to take advantage of the tablet/notebook hybrid’s hardware.
How do I get back to Windows?
When you logout of Ubuntu you can shut down or restart the computer. If the system freezes (or you’re impatient), you can also press and hold the power button until the tablet shuts down.
You can then press and hold it again to restart the tablet. Unfortunately, you’ll probably be greeted by a screen with the Asus logo and the text “Preparing BitLocker recovery.”
Here’s how to get back to Windows from here:
1. Wait until you see a blue screen and choose the “Skip this drive” link at the bottom of the page.
This’ll take you to a troubleshoot screen like we saw in the section above. The only difference is you can use the keyboard and touchpad to make your selections, but not the touchscreen.
2. Choose “Troubleshoot” and then “Advanced Options” again, and then select “UEFI Firmware Settings” and hit Restart.
3. Move over to the “Save & Exit” tab and select “Restore Defaults” and hit Enter.
4. Save Changes and Exit and you should reboot into Windows.
Troubleshooting tips
If step 17 and later in the “Booting Ubuntu” section, you may end up in the same Bitlocker recovery section as listed above.
The good news is that you can use the same steps to get back to Windows… but this time after you hit the “Skip this drive” section, if you have your bootable USB drive plugged in, you should also see an option to “Use a device.”
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Select that option and choose the name of your drive on the next screen and you should boot into Ubuntu/GRUB bootloader instead of Windows.
Make sure to be careful when playing around with the Advanced options menus. There are some options that will reinstall Windows or even wipe your data.
So now that people are upgrading to the release of Win 10, I'm curious about your experience.
For me, it's a smooth OS with a lot of things I need to get used to but I have made some discoveries.
The task bar - on my main monitor won't auto hide. A search tells me this has been a bug for the last few technical releases. Oddly enough, all of a sudden, a few minutes ago, it started to work but I assume this will stop in the next reboot.
The Mail App totally sucks. No number of new emails in each account when you click on accounts. No view for all accounts. No using mouse/shift to select multiple messages. No Check boxes to select all messages in any folder. New incoming messages show up in the action center, only, but you have to open it to see them. Not getting desktop notifications.
Cortana looks like it could be good but setup has been a pain since for some reason my Microsoft LifeCam Cinema HD cam can barely hear my voice, even with level up all the way.
Camera App - totally doesn't open at all. I had to d/l a third party app which I don't like.
Settings page is tough to find things like Advanced Settings. That's WAS, oddly, in System/About but now it;s gone and replaced by other shortcuts. so setting the paging file size manually, etc is just gone for now.
Edge is the best browser yet by MS, but it's not going to get me to stop using Chrome
What are everyone else's thoughts so far?
It's nearly perfect. Drivers catched up, not a single incompatible program, major performance boost in games after installing the latest Nvidia driver. The only bug I've seen so far - Action Center's tray icon is lit on on system startup even though it's empty.
I'm recommending it to everyone I know, I've already installed it on 3 PCs I have access to. It's just 10/10.
Upgrade??
First, so far I like Windows 10 a whole lot better than Windows 8.1, but the upgrade has been a nightmare.
The upgrade on my AlienWare (Dell) laptop went smooth. No problems at all. The upgrade for my Surface Pro 3 (Microsoft) has been anything but smooth. Microsoft's own computer did not upgrade right. First, it installed Windows 10 Home even though the Windows 8.1 that was on it was the Pro version. It also wiped out all of my installed programs and apps. I didn't lose any data but the applications will all have to be reinstalled.
Mine won't even install on my Asus Transformer. Says Key cannot be verified....
If you are still having problems and difficulties upgrading your PC to windows 10, kindly follow this post on my website. A few clean up steps got my Dell system to upgrade to Windows 10 http://www.selftechgenius.com/how-to-geek-2/how-to-upgrade-to-windows-10-for-free/
OK, so here's a big one. I use my 500GB D:\ drive to store documents, downloads, pictures and videos by default. I tried to save a picture off the web to the pictures folder and got access denied error.
So I looked properties, security and noticed 2 things. 1, the folder was marked as read only and 2, there was and Unknown User account. I deleted that account, and changed the properties on both C: and D: drives and that fixed it but you should all go check to see if you have the same thing.
I'm thinking I'm going to get a 1 TB HDD backup to put all my personal things on, format both drives, then do a clean install. I've always hated doing OS upgrades on top of older releases and the few bugs I have, like the camera app not working or the VIA HD Deck app not opening are the reason why. I just have to wait for all my hardware devices to release Win 10 drivers
I wasn't a fan of Windows 10. Immediately after "upgrading" the track pad on my laptop didn't work properly anymore. Based on my research it's a driver issue with no solution until the driver is updated. Who knows when that will be.... I use my laptop a lot for school and can't afford to wait.
Microsoft also removed basic tools like paint with no good replacements in the app store. I also didn't like how it pretty much turned my laptop into a phone by calling the Control Panel "settings" and having an app store and stupid stuff like that. I went back to Windows 7 after less than an hour on Windows 10 and couldn't be happier.
I did like the UI, though. It kinda reminded me of the material design of Android 5.x with the flat colors and stuff.
I am very happy with win 10, got it on my Desktop and my Tablet and even though i had some touchscreen issues in the beginning it works well now on both devices
I did a clean install on my laptop, as opposed to the update on my desktop, and it's better. Cortana works right, etc.
My ONLY beef is the mail app sucks
I upgraded my Lenovo to Windows 10 with the media creation tool but after a week or so decided to do a clean install to get rid of the terrible bloat(though most of it I removed when I got the laptop).
I downloaded the ISO and CLEARLY remember choosing 64bit Home Single Language. But after I diakpart the drive and reinstall the OS I realize that I have a 32 bit version installed.
And my 15GB limit of "high" speed broadband is exhausted and I CANNOT download a 4 gig file on a 512 Kbps connection.
I'm stuck till next month or till my friend gives me the 64 bit ISO.
But its completely my fault, so guys BEWARE, don't make stupid mistakes!!!!
But I like the OS(mostly). After disabling Microsoft's sneaky data collection and automatic updates its all good. Don't forget to disable live tiles cause they hog bandwidth too.
But boot speed is faster, performance is better and multiple desktops and snapping is great!
[Moto E 2nd Gen 3G running CyanogenMod 12.1]
I don't like Windows 10 at all. It sucks on Tablet(Touch) and PC/Laptop. With StartIsBack++ you can fix Win10 a bit for mouse/keyboard, but the UI is still cluttered and ugly as hell.
Really?? I don;t have that problem at all, especially when doing a clean install
My upgrade went well.. But afterwards it was a nightmare. It took my DAYS and about 14 reboots just to get it unfrozen long enough to open task manager with ctrl+alt+delete. Then, suddenly, after a reboot, it worked. It is now even faster than 8.1 (although I sometimes need to use task manager to speed it up). All of my programs and files work.. Except for cam studio which didn't work on 8.1 either. [emoji13]
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I totally agree with Mail app sucks. I sent some emails but sent items folder is still empty, not syncing.. And honestly, I don't like the settings app because eventually it forwards you to the control panel for lots of settings. So what's the meaning of this setting app, right?
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I totally agree with Mail app sucks. I sent some emails but sent items folder is still empty, not syncing.. And honestly, I don't like the settings app because eventually it forwards you to the control panel for lots of settings. So what's the meaning of this setting app, right?
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Right. I just pinned Control Panel to Start so i can get right to it
I have Windows 10 pro. Whenever I try to connect to my pc using various remote desktop apps on my android, it gets connected for a moment and then it shows error message that someone else is connected to your pc please try later.
Any suggestions?
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I did a fresh install, I like it, just that there's no direct access to the computer from the start bar, I managed to pin 'this pc' to it, but It wasn't good enough.
I added the start menu back from Stardock Start10.
fresh w10pro install here on an hp elitebook. no issues at all.
On Acer fresh update, no problems
I updated my Toshiba Satellite to Windows 10 and it runs smooth. There's only an annoying thing. Sometimes when I turn on the PC and log in it says that Cortana and Start Menu aren't working, so I must have to turn off and to solve this problem temporarily I have to press Shift while it turns on. But some days after it happens again.
SADLY I AM LEAVING THIS PROJECT FOR A SHORT WHILE
THIS VERSION DEPRICATED, V2 CAN BE FOUND AT http://empyreal96.github.io WITH FULL GUIDE
##THIS IS NOT A PIRATED VERSION I WILL NEVER SUPPORT PIRACY OF ANY KIND.. ACTIVATION WILL BE NEEDED IF NOT USED WITH WOA DEPLOYER (link to WoAProject page at bottom)I AM NOT AFFILIATED WITH WOA PROJECT##
This is a guide for using my optimized version on Windows 10 Home ARM64 for our Lumia 950/XL's, reason behind me making this is inspiration from gilius over on woaproject.net with his WoALite, but I found some things that slow down my Windows Experiences when using it on my Lumia 950 XL, so I used Windows built-in DISM tool to modify and change things in a retail iso (17760.1.180911-1415.RS5_RELEASE_CLIENTCORE_OEMRET_A64FRE_EN-US) which can be obtained following WoA Projects method (Links will be at bottom), I will get around to Screens from the device at a later stage, for now I have listed everything changed so far and will update as I progress, if this gains traction I will move to the DevDB section.
I am currently testing it as you read this but I will say this is classed as unstable, I am having few issues sudden reboots, shutdown not shutting down.. but as the WOA Project is unstable and the Drivers they provide are still in-development. I will not be responsible for anything gone wrong, make sure to make a full image backup of your device (With Win32DiskImager) in Mass Storage Mode if you are unsure. If you are new to installing Windows ARM on Lumia, follow WoA Project's guides as they have links and guides to help you step by step. Status on what works and what doesn't hardware wise is stated on Woa Website
INSTRUCTIONS(Download links at the bottom):
You will need the 'install.wim' from an unedited 17760 (1809) ISO because WoA Deployer doesn't agree with my version, if unsure follow WoA's guide to obtain the required files.
[*]Make sure you have the 'stock' install.wim from ISO and the Version1.wim downloaded and in the SAME folder.
[*]Open WoA Deployer and Connect your device. Browse for the Wim files from Step 1, select and open the 'Stock' install.wim
[*]When WoA detects the 'Stock' .wim and says "Windows 10 home 17760', go to the Explorer folder with the WIM files and rename install.wim (E.g installbak.wim)
[*]Rename Version1.wim to install.wim
[*]Go back to WoA and Start deployment, hopefully all should go well
Note: You may encounter, after finishing deploy and drivers have been injected, an error saying invalid .WIM file.. this is expected because of my edited install.wim, I am looking into fixing that, but the deployment will still be successful.
ISSUES:
1. If you encounter a boot loop/Never reach the Windows boot screen (Circling dots) then replace the 'bootaa64.efi' found in the phone's drive named SYSTEM: .\EFI\Boot\ with the bootaa64.efi in the link at the bottom. you will need an Elevated Command Prompt session to do this bit or you could use Explorer++ as Admin to replace the file
2. Expect some UWP apps to be broken in some ways, it cannot be helped with how windows integrates with all its services and packages, i.e any MS Store apps that require Cloud syncing with OneDrive
3. Windows Error Reporting seems to still be working because it has collected 1.5 GB over a couple days of use, I am working on fixing that
PLEASE if you are willing to test this, tell me any issues you find with edits I made or anything you want me to remove! and share your experience with it! I will keep on improving and most likely change to a more recent build (19h1) in the future
DOWNLOAD:Version1.wim, changelog and alternate bootaa64.efi:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/194O_fnSx36i9pE2ZoD2HyCdHAGeZdQJp?usp=sharing
Feel free to join my Facebook Group on Windows ARM for help, tips and discussions! (Not affiliated with WoA Project)
https://facebook.com/groups/172181590537251
Credits:
WoA Project for doing the hard work on porting Drivers and UEFI to our Lumias, as well as their software and guides:
(https://woa-project.github.io/LumiaWOA/)(https://github.com/WOA-Project)
I did not and do not have and affiliation with WoA Project, Microsoft or any other company, the edits I made to the install.wim can be learnt from the Microsoft Website or other developer sites. Again I do not take responsibility for any damage, you willingly try this out knowing the process of deploying windows using software stated, or the intent to learn and follow proper guides before mine, This will void warranty completely. enjoy!:laugh:
Changelog V1:
Appx Packages Removed:
Bing Weather
MS Get Help
MS Get Started
MS 3d Viewer
Office Hub
MS Solitaire
Sticky Notes
MS Office OneNote
MS Print 3D (Removed but still appeared in Start Menu)
SkypeApp
MS Windows Feedback Hub
Windows Maps
Xbox TCUI
MS XboxApp
MS XboxGameOverlay
MS XboxGamingOverlay
MS XboxIdentityProvider
MS XboxTextToSpeech
Taskbar Settings:
Cortana Hidden by default.
Task View Hidden by default.
People hidden by Default.
Windows Theme Settings:
Show Colour on Start, Task bar, Windows frames etc by default.
Disable Transparency by default.
Security Setting changes:
Change UAC Behaviour to Never notify (This will put you at risk if you download and run software from questionable sources that may have viruses, this is a personal preferance to me because the fade with the UAC window annoys me, will change later if people don't like it)
Disable SmartScreen Filter
Disable Windows Defender (If you NEED antivirus then try find an alternative, I may show how to re-enable it later on if needed)
Start Menu and Windows Experience Settings:
Disabled suggestions on Start Menu
Disabled ads from Windows Store
Disabled 'Get Suggestions using Windows'
Disabled automatic installation of recommended apps
Disabled Game Recorder
Disabled OneDrive (Will break MS Store apps requiring OneDrive for Cloud sync)
Disabled Cortana
Explorer Settings:
Open File Explorer to This PC by default.
Show Extensions for all files by default.
Show all hiddden files by default.
Show Complete Path in Explorer by default.
Disabled Audio and Video file previews
Disable showing Frequently and Recently used in Quick Access by default.
Desktop:
Show My Computer, Control Panel and User Folder on Desktop.
Context Menu:
Disable Scan with Windows Defender.
Disable Paint 3D option.
Windows Update:
Never check for updates
Don't include Drivers in updates
Services Disabled:
Remote Registry
Diagnostic Service
Windows Search (May cause some Windows Store apps to fail)
Customer Experience Improvement
Windows Features:
Disabled/Removed:
Internet Explorer 11
Windows Media Player
Print and Document Services
Print to PDF
XPS Document Writer
Windows Search
Work Folders Client
Enabled:
Legacy Components/DirectPlay
Windows Subsystem for Linux
.NET Framework 3.5
Optional Featues:
Disabled:
Internet Explorer 11
Windows Hello Face
Windows Media Player
MS Exchange and Mail Sync engine (Affect UWP Apps)
Misc:
Disabled Automatic Restart on BSOD
Disabled Hibernate and Hiberboot
Disabled 'Component Based Servicing', 'Delta Package Expander', System and 'Acount Login' Logging
Disabled Component Based Servicing Backup
OneDrive setup Disabled on First Boot/New User
Planned for next update: Removing remaining apps I consider not needed, starting disabling of Diagnostic services and Win Error Reporting, Disabling unneeded services (will actually remove some services in future releases), slim down install.wim file size and post install size.. this will be released to my FB Group first to test, but no ETA for the Group or here.
I tested this on my 950 XL and it runs good there are a few issues with Windows Update still running but it's a lil bit more responsive.. when is next update??
MrFloaty said:
I tested this on my 950 XL and it runs good there are a few issues with Windows Update still running but it's a lil bit more responsive.. when is next update??
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Glad to hear you're testing it! ?
I did also discover that the update service is still starting up, I think it's tied into how MS Store launches on first install to update the metro UI apps but I am working on it more!
No idea when next release is yet, I'm testing my offline version 2 and broke the store from installing apps.
I have migrated the project over to http://empyreal96.github.io as it's easier to maintain
Version 2 has been uploaded, with FULL guide, screens, links.
Now based of an 18xxxx insider preview build
Lumia 950
Hello
I was planing this for a long time, since first news were coming about Windows ARM on Lumias, and for the first install I tried with your version V2 on Lumia 950 (not XL).
Hands down for you work here. In general it works, quite smoothly also.
But I did have an issue during Windows account creation (after deployment was already done).
I received error "oobelocalhello". I had an option to try to create account again (but that didn't fix it) or to continue. The next step was Services, which didn't finish after more than half an hour, it was just running without end. Even a few reboots didn't solve the issue, although I noticed, user accounts were actually created, because I couldn't use the same usernames again.
To overcome this I opened cmd (Shift + F10), manually created account with below commands and restarted.
net user administrator /active:yes
net user /add owner mypassword
net localgroup administrators owner /add
cd %windir%\system32\oobe
msoobe.exe
(taken from https://www.tenforums.com/windows-i...s-cant-get-past-oobe-stage-3.html#post1783967)
Wifi works, usb charging and mouse (over continuum) works. Your scripts didn't cause BSOD, so that's good .
Should phone calls also work? In https://woa-project.github.io/LumiaWOA/status/ is stated phone calls are supported up to build 18363, and your build is 18965, so I assume it's not a problem at my end.
Would be nice to have a remote desktop server installed to work and test the phone somewhat easier (I'm just trying with tightvnc, but is rather slow).
Thanks again for your effort.
In case you plan to continue with your work here, let me know.
spaceKomet said:
Hello
I was planing this for a long time, since first news were coming about Windows ARM on Lumias, and for the first install I tried with your version V2 on Lumia 950 (not XL).
Hands down for you work here. In general it works, quite smoothly also.
But I did have an issue during Windows account creation (after deployment was already done).
I received error "oobelocalhello". I had an option to try to create account again (but that didn't fix it) or to continue. The next step was Services, which didn't finish after more than half an hour, it was just running without end. Even a few reboots didn't solve the issue, although I noticed, user accounts were actually created, because I couldn't use the same usernames again.
To overcome this I opened cmd (Shift + F10), manually created account with below commands and restarted.
net user administrator /active:yes
net user /add owner mypassword
net localgroup administrators owner /add
cd %windir%\system32\oobe
msoobe.exe
(taken from https://www.tenforums.com/windows-i...s-cant-get-past-oobe-stage-3.html#post1783967)
Wifi works, usb charging and mouse (over continuum) works. Your scripts didn't cause BSOD, so that's good .
Should phone calls also work? In https://woa-project.github.io/LumiaWOA/status/ is stated phone calls are supported up to build 18363, and your build is 18965, so I assume it's not a problem at my end.
Would be nice to have a remote desktop server installed to work and test the phone somewhat easier (I'm just trying with tightvnc, but is rather slow).
Thanks again for your effort.
In case you plan to continue with your work here, let me know.
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Glad to hear your experience and that someone has tried it!
I think the issue there is I removed some services to do with the initial setup, and the services I did notice a few mistakes I did (I think) and should be fixed in version 3(fingers crossed)
Yeah I didn't keep keep cellular in mind I feel I should have, I don't know about Version 3 and cellular because I'm gunna test the most 'stable' build beforehand
And with the scripts I tested on all of my laptops etc because I was worried I would mess stuff up if not, I have uploaded all the scripts used in V2 to my github aswell so it's easier to see the contents and what they do
I will be coming back an tweaking this at some point and will properly update the OP, gotten a bit sidetracked with Linux on 950 and other devices but I do want to add remote desktop back because I agree it would be handy!
will testing soon
hooooossamq said:
will testing soon
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Sadly this has been abandoned for a long time, so I don't know if you will see benefits over using a more recent W10 image
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Sadly this has been abandoned for a long time, so I don't know if you will see benefits over using a more recent W10 image
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Hmm..is there any win10 arm64 image you recommend?