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Before all the hardcore Android fans start swearing at me for asking this question.... there is a reason for asking it.
As the title explains...... has anyone been able to install Windows 7 on the TF101 (aka Transformer) ?
I've read a couple of articles online that the tablet was suppose to come with Windows 7 on it, which would mean that somewhere, someone at Asus has already done it.
Any of the developers on here know how to install Windows 7 on the TF101 ?
Article links below :
http://www.technologyrekor.eu/asus-eee-pad-tf101-windows-7-tab-gets-fcc-nod.html
http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/03/14/specs.expected.to.be.similar.to.ep121/
http://topsgadget.info/asus-eee-pad-tf101-comes-to-fcc-tablet-with-windows-7/990
Well, I am a Windows guy and I would love to have it running in the Decepticon but as far as I know there is no Tegra version of Windows 7.
You will have to wait for Windows 8.
It would be cool to have VMWare for Android.
I read here somewhere that there might be a problem with drivers. I would like to see that too!
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Yeah its an issue with the CPU type, its the same reason you couldn't virtualize or install windows on Macs before they changed to an x86 architecture. Windows 8 is the first one designed to run both on x86 and ARM processors, its much deeper than drivers though, even the applications will have to behave differently.
check out the links..... someone obviously has a TF101 with windows 7 on it.
Just a matter of finding out how it was done.
Since the TF101 uses a Tegra 2 processor (not an Intel CULV as some early press reports stated), and Windows 7 does not support the Tegra 2 architecture, unfortunately installing Windows 7 on it is not possible.
Windows 8 will have ARM support, so there'll be a chance that works...
johnsto said:
Since the TF101 uses a Tegra 2 processor (not an Intel CULV as some early press reports stated), and Windows 7 does not support the Tegra 2 architecture, unfortunately installing Windows 7 on it is not possible.
Windows 8 will have ARM support, so there'll be a chance that works...
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forgive me for being dumb...... but check the date release on those articles. They are only 2 weeks old. I dont think it would be humanly possible to swap out the chipset, redesign the boards architecture and have it fully released in stores in just 1 week. These guys must have gotten their info from somewhere.
TRLOS said:
forgive me for being dumb...... but check the date release on those articles. They are only 2 weeks old. I dont think it would be humanly possible to swap out the chipset, redesign the boards architecture and have it fully released in stores in just 1 week. These guys must have gotten their info from somewhere.
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Two weeks old? Can I borrow your Tardis then, because all three are dated in March!
March 12th
March 14th
March 15th
Regards,
Dave
Its not a matter of switching the chip set and redesigning it. Those articles are just plain wrong and off base. It seems like they were just speculating based on other similar tablets being released at the time. The TF101 has an the Tegra 2 which is clearly a fact. All these articles mention completely different hardware. One of them even mentions a core i5.
It is not possible with the hardware that is in the tablet to run any current version of Windows. I promise there is not a TF101 somewhere running Windows 7, even internally at ASUS.
TRLOS said:
check out the links..... someone obviously has a TF101 with windows 7 on it.
Just a matter of finding out how it was done.
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Someone, somewhere, made a mistake and others ran with the story.
Apparently reading comprehension is low here or many of you didn't actually read the article attached and just assumed by looking at the pictures.
1. Pictures are not of the TF101, look at the placement of the mini HDMI vs the headphone jack. This is obviously a different model
2. CPU is claimed to be an Intel CULV model not a nVidia SOC of any kind.
3. As previously stated there is no current Windows desktop version that will run on any type of ARM device, so the current TF won't/can't run windows.
4. Just because the headline is dated two months ago doesn't mean there is a working version, there seems to be just enough to send to the FCC for certification.
5. Most likely a pre-production tablet used for testing and/or development, so yes they can swap internal parts and test to their hearts content.
Just because we may wish it to be true doesn't make it so.
If you really want an Asus tablet running Windows they already have the ASUS Eee Pad (Eee Slate) EP121-1A011M Intel Core i5.
foxmeister said:
Two weeks old? Can I borrow your Tardis then, because all three are dated in March!
March 12th
March 14th
March 15th
Regards,
Dave
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woops... i meant 2 months. (fingers ran away from me..my bad)
...still, that isn't a lot of time to completely redesign tablet architecture.
But, given the benefit of the doubt....what are the chances of even dual booting the WP7, WM6.5 or even the Windows 8 Beta version on these tablets ?
Heck, they were able to install Windows 98 on the HD2. I hadn't done it personally, but saw a thread on how to make it happen.
WheresWaldo said:
Apparently reading comprehension is low here or many of you didn't actually read the article attached and just assumed by looking at the pictures.
1. Pictures are not of the TF101, look at the placement of the mini HDMI vs the headphone jack. This is obviously a different model
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5. Most likely a pre-production tablet used for testing and/or development, so yes they can swap internal parts and test to their hearts content.
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It's clearly a preproduction model - you can see that it's running a 2.x version of Android from the icons in the top notification bar!
Regards,
Dave
Why is this in the Dev thread?
Could 1 of the Developers give an indication whether it would be possible to port another OS to these tablets ?
TRLOS said:
woops... i meant 2 months. (fingers ran away from me..my bad)
...still, that isn't a lot of time to completely redesign tablet architecture.
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They didn't redesign the tablet - the article(s) are all wrong. Occams razor!
But, given the benefit of the doubt....what are the chances of even dual booting the WP7, WM6.5 or even the Windows 8 Beta version on these tablets ?
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Unless we get a version of NVFlash that works with the Transformer, zero.
Even with a version of NVFlash that works with the Transformer, the chances are pretty close to zero without access to source.
Heck, they were able to install Windows 98 on the HD2. I hadn't done it personally, but saw a thread on how to make it happen.
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In an emulated environment - very different thing to running Windows 7!
Regards,
Dave
RedMist said:
Someone, somewhere, made a mistake and others ran with the story.
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This ^^^^^^^^^^
Why is this thread even here?
Maybe it's cocky of me to even ask, but I find it hard to believe that people in the dev section don't understand that Windows is currently x86 and not ARM. It's been that way forever. You'll never get Windows on an Android tablet until x86 versions of Android become commonplace.
Speculation is that Windows 8 will support ARM but I'm extremely skeptical. It makes no sense. ARM versions of windows wouldn't be able to run x86 executables unless there's some sort of emulation layer, and the performance would be horrible. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft shelves that feature before Windows 8 is released.
I'm hopeful we'll see native Ubuntu on ARM, but even then, who cares. I mean, we're expecting all this from a $399 tablet here. We splurged on this expensive toy; if we can spend that on a toy, we can buy a cheap laptop/netbook and throw or OS(es) of choice on it.
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It's definitely NOT possible as others have already stated in this thread. Windows does not currently run on the ARM CPU architecture at all. People have gotten older versions of windows working, only Windows 3.1 and early afaik but they did so through a DOS emulator that you launch from within Android and the performance is supposed to be ****ty.
When Windows 8 comes out, that is said to have an ARM compatible version that we might be able to install, but that's not going to be for a while.
Someone lock and move this thread to trash...
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Am I being wholly unrealistic on this or could we hope to see Windows 8 run on these sluggish XOOMs ?
It seems like the hardware is not massively different?
Possibility or impossibility?
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Would be nice, no idea what the requirements are for Win8 tho..
I can't believe no one else seems to be thinking about it ... couldn't find anything on the web suggesting they were though.
I just hope someone comes up with something to make me excited to own a xoom again. I was excited when I bought expecting to be on a wave of development but there has been only one small set of bug fixes/features that should have been on release version.
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s.t.s said:
I can't believe no one else seems to be thinking about it ... couldn't find anything on the web suggesting they were though.
I just hope someone comes up with something to make me excited to own a xoom again. I was excited when I bought expecting to be on a wave of development but there has been only one small set of bug fixes/features that should have been on release version.
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Tiamat is pretty darn fast.... then ADW ex makes it even faster.
Id be happy with a chroot of win8
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With the dev preview only being x86/64 at the moment we will have to wait for the ARM version to be released before anything can be done on the Xoom. I cant wait to see if there are any devs that can get it going.....a dual boot with ICS would be fantastic
I am sure it is faster when rooted and overclocked ... just haven't got round to doing it yet ... kind of resent having to do it to get a user experience that might be close to acceptable
I know that there is no arm preview yet but I believe the min spec is detailed ... are there any things we fall short of?
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guys, I'd hate to burst your bubbles, but there were around 4 posts about win 8 on the xoom and all of them came to the conclusion that it wouldn't work, or at least, very unlikely. Windows is closed source. Its not like Ubuntu or any other Linux distro that we can modify.
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s.t.s said:
I can't believe no one else seems to be thinking about it ... couldn't find anything on the web suggesting they were though.
I just hope someone comes up with something to make me excited to own a xoom again. I was excited when I bought expecting to be on a wave of development but there has been only one small set of bug fixes/features that should have been on release version.
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There was a bunch of windows 8 topics on xoom but not looking good. And development will get better overall on xoom when ics comes out because you have to remember, honeycomb source wasn't released and never will be. Ics will be open source though.
Android may soon do more than windows can. By the time WIN8 comes out in arm form android will be on key lime pie.
What really is needed is a full Linux version for the Xoom. Linux is already available for ARM CPUs. But what is needed is the kernel patch for the Xoom, and the hardware drivers.
Stop pining for windows, as there are already plenty of gadgets with it on it. I just purchased a Azpen X1 tablet. The 16GB drive is so small, that I ran out of space the first time that I ran the windows update!! I got a 32GB drive for it, and will install Ubuntu on it. I use Linux for everything, and found that windows is very over rated.
Not sure how Windows is "over rated" ... it seems everyone is out to say mac/ios/linux is better than it. If linux is so great why are you giving it double the storage space the windows install was offered ;-)
I know windows is closed source ... but the hardware appears to be very similar to other tablets that run windows, it would just be a case of suitable drivers?
ICS may improve things but it still doesn't feel like the direction android is headed in is where I hoped/expected in terms of offering tablet optimized/specific applications.
Windows 8 looks a lot more like the tablet os I would like to use ... I guess time will tell.
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s.t.s said:
If linux is so great why are you giving it double the storage space the windows install was offered ;-)
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At first I intended to give 16GB to each OS. But since widows barely fits on 16 GB, I decided against it.
s.t.s said:
I know windows is closed source ... but the hardware appears to be very similar to other tablets that run windows, it would just be a case of suitable drivers?
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What other tablets like the Xoom run windows? Windows only runs on the Intel family of CPUs (and clones), while most tablets have an ARM CPU.
samsung has a dev tablet out that runs windows 8. they gave it out at some convention.
patass said:
samsung has a dev tablet out that runs windows 8. they gave it out at some convention.
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Yes and nobody is going to sit down and spend the time and write drivers for a closed source OS. Especially from scratch. Not to sound like a jerk, but if you're bored of your xoom, sell it and get a windows slate
kenfly said:
Yes and nobody is going to sit down and spend the time and write drivers for a closed source OS. Especially from scratch. Not to sound like a jerk, but if you're bored of your xoom, sell it and get a windows slate
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lol i never said i was tired of it, but windows 8 from what I played with it on the desktop is a more practical platform. Often times I'm using splashtop to access my desktop at home. You're mad.
also people write custom drivers for windows all the time. custom graphics card drivers, controller drivers, etc.
patass said:
lol i never said i was tired of it, but windows 8 from what I played with it on the desktop is a more practical platform. Often times I'm using splashtop to access my desktop at home. You're mad.
also people write custom drivers for windows all the time. custom graphics card drivers, controller drivers, etc.
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Look at it this way, most other hc tablets have a port of Ubuntu, which is open source, and we don't. If nobody wants Ubuntu enough to work with the open source os, who is going to work with closed source windows 8?
That is another thing that I just dont get ... it really feels like my best informed choice to get the XOOM was the wrong one. Moto are not pushing the development and user experience like I had hoped and the dev community hasn't been set alight either :-(
Still I hope we see some stuff soon. For now I will just have to try one of the few android roms
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Hey guys was just browsing the black friday deals on walmart and they are selling a 89 dollar 7 in tablet with a intel medfield atom chip. It is running a x86 version of android according to http://tabtimes.com/news/ittech-os-...er-hps-7-inch-mesquite-android-tablet-sell-89. Looks interesting as it is a sub 100 x86 tablet but it is a little lite on other specs. Anybody have any more info on this device? Any advice on linux on these things? Thanx guys
Hope im posting this in the right section as it is news but I have questions. Feel free to move it to the right section.
Interesting, what's the screen resolution? I'm guessing 1024x600, but 1280x800 would be nice to have.
However, most people will be better off by spending a bit more and getting the Venue 8 for $129.
My biggest question is, how easy will it be to get Windows or linux running on it? What will the driver situation be?
We will have to wait and see
Yeah drivers are my biggest worry, that and ram. The x86 port of android is kinda weak. I've used one before and while the system itself is ok good luck finding apps for it that work. I know this sounds sad but im getting it basicly to play some old games that dont quite work right in dosbox .
just a quick question before purchase sm-p550
are these tablets 32bit or 64, how does one actually tell?
kwhelan12 said:
just a quick question before purchase sm-p550
are these tablets 32bit or 64, how does one actually tell?
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It's 64 bit, there are apps that tell you device info, a d thats what it reports it is, also i tested the dolphin emulator on this tab and it installed and it is a 64bit only app.
well it turns out the SM-P550 touchwiz is arm 7 32bit and takes the v86.0 sdk23 arm version of xposed for 6.01 marshmallow
kwhelan12 said:
well it turns out the SM-P550 touchwiz is arm 7 32bit and takes the v86.0 sdk23 arm version of xposed for 6.01 marshmallow
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What? My English is not good enough. I understand that tab A is 64 bits but Samsung launcher is 32. Is that it?
The processor is x64, bus bandwidth though is 32 bit.
A 64 processor with a 32 bus? It's like a big parking with a little in/out! LOL
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A 64 processor with a 32 bus? It's like a big parking with a little in/out! LOL
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it is NOT 64bit, it does not have 64bit run time libararies nor libs, I know I build custom ROM for it...
unless you guys talking about upcoming new Tab A, that's different story
T580 has 64bit Exynos processor.
I have sm-t707 at&t (32bit exynos) and sm-t707v (32bit snapdragon) and my son's sm-t580 (64bit exynos) the power and responsivity of snapdragon is much higher but graphically is poor exynos 5420 is much better, sm-t580 (exynos 64bit) has exatly the same power of sm-t707, but energy compsuntion is HALF (!)
Can I update my galaxy tab A so that its bandwidth is 64 bit
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it is NOT 64bit, it does not have 64bit run time libararies nor libs, I know I build custom ROM for it...
unless you guys talking about upcoming new Tab A, that's different story
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What about the (SM-T380) Galaxy Tab A 8.0 (2017)? because I upgraded my guess is that the newer tab A 8.0 can run 64bit apps but has a 32bit system?
To me 64bit sux hind tit. I have been messing with 64bit tv boxes, the best and most reliable run 32bit firmware.
At least in my testing up to Nougat 7.1 , there is no real world benefit with 64bit firmware. In fact it bloats your system big time. Peeps in the know, know what i am talking about.
I can't believe its almost 2020 and peeps think more bits is better. Until they make risc cpus mainstream, nobody will really know any better. This type of talk has been a gimmick for adding sales since 1988. More bits don't do squat without a true os to make it work, and apps built around it. If you want speed, get an octacore or multi octacore system, dont waste your money on bits that go ignored with most apps.
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To me 64bit sux hind tit. I have been messing with 64bit tv boxes, the best and most reliable run 32bit firmware.
At least in my testing up to Nougat 7.1 , there is no real world benefit with 64bit firmware. In fact it bloats your system big time. Peeps in the know, know what i am talking about.
I can't believe its almost 2020 and peeps think more bits is better. Until they make risc cpus mainstream, nobody will really know any better. This type of talk has been a gimmick for adding sales since 1988. More bits don't do squat without a true os to make it work, and apps built around it. If you want speed, get an octacore or multi octacore system, dont waste your money on bits that go ignored with most apps.
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Till a big company like Google forces older devices out of the market by pulling an apple and making 64bit only apps
Austcool said:
Till a big company like Google forces older devices out of the market by pulling an apple and making 64bit only apps
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According to Google's plans, after August 1, any apps and app updates that include native code are required to provide 64-bit versions in addition to 32-bit versions when publishing to Google Play. For the 32-bit diehards, Google has an additional shot of bad news: Google Play will only accept 32-bit only updates to existing games that use Unity 5.6 or older until August 2021.
It sure looks like Google is inching toward the line of 64 bit only.
I know the processor is able to handle 64 bit and that Android 7 is using a 32-bit environment. I have the update to 8.1 downloaded but what I would like to know is did Samsung add the 64 bit environment to the 8.1 update. I would assume no..as I don't expect for a happy ending. I normally could care less. However, Elder Scrolls Blades is the first app i have come across that will not install and say in the installer itself it is not compatible. After looking in the logcat i saw that it failed when attempting to access 64 bit instruction set..or libraries...whatever it is had 64 all over it. So can anyone give me the absolute answer that Android 8 on this tab is still 32 bit or does it have the 64 bit native?
the other issue with Samsung is the lack of kernel and device trees for there roms means we cannot even easily make a 64bit custom rom like lineageOS with out struggling to figure out the proper way to port with the configs and what not....
so then we are screwed if we arent a dev. Its already hard enough to even find the SM-P580 in xda forums. Let alone have someone go back in time to the tab forgotten. Unless I missed a release..this one is the last over 7 inch tab with an s-pen. Well after typing that i looked at samsungs website and realized I missed it because they kept the S4 brand and slapped it on a tab. I'd try the kitchen myself if there were any ROMs out there that i could at least get permission to mess with.
Ok, so:
I'm a proud OP3T Owner, love the phone!
Got the early order in for the OP5 (should get it friday!)
What would the chances be of any devs here getting Windows (i dont mean windows phone) running on the OP5? M$ demoed it running on a SD821, which the OP3T has - and it was a full blown copy of windows on ARM, able to run 32 bit apps and everything. Whilst i wouldnt want it as a daily OS, it would be nice to boot up as a 2nd OS and play around with it from time to time. I mean, 8GB ram is what most Macbooks come with as standard nowadays, so it's no slouch for that.
What does everyone think?
Norman
manor7777 said:
Ok, so:
I'm a proud OP3T Owner, love the phone!
Got the early order in for the OP5 (should get it friday!)
What would the chances be of any devs here getting Windows (i dont mean windows phone) running on the OP5? M$ demoed it running on a SD821, which the OP3T has - and it was a full blown copy of windows on ARM, able to run 32 bit apps and everything. Whilst i wouldnt want it as a daily OS, it would be nice to boot up as a 2nd OS and play around with it from time to time. I mean, 8GB ram is what most Macbooks come with as standard nowadays, so it's no slouch for that.
What does everyone think?
Norman
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I'm about 99.9 percent sure that won't happen. It wouldn't be worth the time and trouble knowing that almost no one would use it.
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MrMeeseeks said:
I'm about 99.9 percent sure that won't happen. It wouldn't be worth the time and trouble knowing that almost no one would use it.
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Yeah I assumed as much, but it's always worth a shot asking!