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I'm a Palm Pre user and in love with WebOS, but as we all know Palm is dying and probably won't last through the year. I'm awaiting the EVO but I'm curious to know if it'll be possible to put WebOS on it. I'm not looking to start a WebOS/Android flame-war, I've just gotten used to WebOS in the past year. What do you guys think, is it do-able/worth the time?
Regardless, I'll probably upgrade to the EVO if the price is right
Thanks!
Is it possible? Probably.. Will it happen? Probably not.
There's already a discussion/wish list for WinMo 6.5 to be ported to the Evo, and even that may be a longshot.
But I'd say that has a much better chance of happening than WebOS... But then, anything is possible!
I was thinking that might happen. In that case, if not a complete port of WebOS is it possible to simulate/emulate the "card" system on Android? That's really my favorite part of the OS and what sets it apart from Android. Honestly, If someone could combine both OS's we'd have one hell of a phone.
Thanks!
TaskOS is about as good as you're going to get at the moment, no previews, just icons for running processes, not as flashy as webOS, but the basic functionality is technically there.
still waiting on the announcement of google buying palm for the acquisition of patents to multi-touch that palm owns the rights to.
Along with that would be webOS... give it some time, their stocks are tanking, another quarter of record losses will put them on the table to be bought up.
http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp...5&chls=IntervalBasedLine&q=NASDAQ:PALM&ntsp=0
Well instead of waiting for someone else to do it, what would I need to do to try to port the OS? Are there any tutorials or instructions available for this sort of thing? Is it standard or does the process vary by phone? I'd love to try it, even try to intergrate some Android functionality -- I think if WebOS and Android were combined it would make the perfect phone OS.
At the very least, would it be possibe to drop the Sense UI from the EVO and just run 2.1?
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Well instead of waiting for someone else to do it, what would I need to do to try to port the OS? Are there any tutorials or instructions available for this sort of thing? Is it standard or does the process vary by phone? I'd love to try it, even try to intergrate some Android functionality -- I think if WebOS and Android were combined it would make the perfect phone OS.
At the very least, would it be possibe to drop the Sense UI from the EVO and just run 2.1?
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webOS isn't open source so you will not be able to compile it.
The open souce part of webOS would be usefull in porting android to a palm phone but not the other way around sadly.
johnsongrantr said:
webOS isn't open source so you will not be able to compile it.
The open souce part of webOS would be usefull in porting android to a palm phone but not the other way around sadly.
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That takes some wind out of my sails. What about dropping the Sense UI in favor of just running 2.1 like the Nexus One?
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That takes some wind out of my sails. What about dropping the Sense UI in favor of just running 2.1 like the Nexus One?
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Go to YouTube and find the video called "Turning an HTC Desire into a Nexus One."
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That takes some wind out of my sails. What about dropping the Sense UI in favor of just running 2.1 like the Nexus One?
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the 2.1 that the nexus one runs is AOSP http://source.android.com/ and a custom built launcher for the nexus (launcher2.apk) which is popular here on xda and is easily obtainable.
These will all come in good time after it's released and rooted and custom roms start popping up. One thing you can hope for as I wish the phone to be successful and bring much attention to wimax in general is that AOSP and cyanogen mods http://www.cyanogenmod.com/ gets ported to the EVO. It's the cleanest version of android without all the crapware that generally comes with feature phones and flagship phones.
Cyanogen mods is where's it's at in the android hacking community. Suggestion if you really get into hacking android, start with AOSP and cyanogen port to the EVO. It will teach you alot about the android OS without all the added htc jazz.
Hope for a quick release of the EVO kernel's source though... once you have that then you can get to work. Without that don't expect much success.
Thanks for the advice! I'll start looking into them as EVO day gets closer. Are there any good tutorials for getting into Android modding/writing apps? Good ones though, not just any result from a google search.
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Thanks for the advice! I'll start looking into them as EVO day gets closer. Are there any good tutorials for getting into Android modding/writing apps? Good ones though, not just any result from a google search.
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like writing apps for anroid? or porting andorid OS? I'm not a programmer, don't know nothing about writing apps, so someone else will have to chime in there.
As far as porting, I do not know of any point and click guides for porting, this is the documented process for the Odroid, it should be relevant to your endeavor. They wrote a step by step for compiling android on Odroid, they do however use Uboot I'm not 100% certian what HTC devices use for their bootstrap.
http://dev.odroid.com/projects/android/
Hopefully that helps some. Good luck.
EDIT: found this for building for the G1
http://source.android.com/documentation/building-for-dream
Hi! I have got an HTC Touch HD and since i saw a video of Nexus One I'm interested in trying Android on my device, but I can't understand the differences between the different versions.
First of all: the Android 2.0.1 and the 2.1 are different? Because on the Nexus One web site the 2.1 is called Eclair, but on this forum I found this name associated to the 2.0.1
Second one: what is the version of ported Android most similar to the Nexus One's?
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Hi! I have got an HTC Touch HD and since i saw a video of Nexus One I'm interested in trying Android on my device, but I can't understand the differences between the different versions.
First of all: the Android 2.0.1 and the 2.1 are different? Because on the Nexus One web site the 2.1 is called Eclair, but on this forum I found this name associated to the 2.0.1
Second one: what is the version of ported Android most similar to the Nexus One's?
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2.0.1 and 2.1 are both Eclair, the Droid has 2.0.1 and it's what PHH and the others are using as a main build, there are 2.1 builds around, though, but are still sometimes unstable or laggy (being worked on).
2.1 brings live wallpapers, voice input and some other stuff, this is what the Nexus One has, there's also the new app drawer, but i think that's exclusive to the Nexus One (3D effect). Live wallpapers were made to work on 2.0.1, though.
Next version will be called Froyo (FROzen YOghurt).
Ok thanks...Another question..
I didn't understand how Android is installed... Do I loose WM? Or is it installed in dual boot?
nicari92 said:
Ok thanks...Another question..
I didn't understand how Android is installed... Do I loose WM? Or is it installed in dual boot?
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No you dont lose WinMo, this installs on your SD card is 'sort of' Dual boot...
You just run a little launcher in WinMo and Android will terminate WinMo and run.... next time you restart your phone, you're back to WinMo as always.
There is a 'dual boot' program that someone developed, but essentially this is just a fancy app to auto-start the launcher from WinMo as soon as WinMo boots.
You should try reading a few of the opening posts though, and place your questions in the 'Ask questions here' sticky at the top of this android forum.
ook! thank you very much!
I picked this up from cross posts at modaco and xda-vibrant, but it seems there is a vanilla (no Samsung apps no TouchWiz) Android OS for the i9000 ... which would be cool ... if it worked. But I'm not sure anyone actually tried this on a SGS? It's been tried on a Vibrant (from what I can tell) and it half worked - dialler was not working so no phone :-(
Anyone who wants to keep track, OP at AndroidForums:
http://androidforums.com/samsung-captivate/130487-roms-monaco-releases.html
but I see the last post there 24th July, so maybe this is old news? In which case .. sincere apologies!
I think a lot of us are wanting a vanilla build of 2.1 (because 2.2 is wishing for just too much ;-) )
I desperatly need Vanilla to run on SGS.
If wasn't for the hardware, I would never have bought a SGS. I DETEST any custom UI.
So what advantage would a vanilla OS give me?
I don’t like TWLauncher so I just installed another launcher like ADW, LauncherPro, and I never see TWLauncher again. And I use the SGS apps I like and don’t use the one’s I don’t, what’s the problem?
MaNIaC
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So what advantage would a vanilla OS give me?
I don’t like TWLauncher so I just installed another launcher like ADW, LauncherPro, and I never see TWLauncher again. And I use the SGS apps I like and don’t use the one’s I don’t, what’s the problem?
MaNIaC
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Unnecessary bloatware. Even with a Launcher replacement like LauncherPro or ADW, the CrapWiz is still there, all over the OS. Also, it makes upgrades take longer due to development team needing to adjust to their UI of choice.
I sincerelly hope that with Gingerbread and the new Vanilla UI, this crap will be over.
For me it's a matter of compatibility. A small example is Samsung Calendar keeps a local calendar as default. I don't want this since I am fully on google cloud services.
I want the Android OS that asks you for your google account on first boot.
Also, Samsung music player (as good as it may be) is not compatible with many other apps (eg Last.FM scrobbling)
I just get the impression that Samsung have incorporated their own framework to railroad you into the "Samsung" way. Which may be fine for some. I want the "Google" way (having been spoilt with my previous N1/Froyo).
Also, I wonder if vanilla Android OS, the GPS might actually be useful ...
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For me it's a matter of compatibility. A small example is Samsung Calendar keeps a local calendar as default. I don't want this since I am fully on google cloud services.
I want the Android OS that asks you for your google account on first boot.
Also, Samsung music player (as good as it may be) is not compatible with many other apps (eg Last.FM scrobbling)
I just get the impression that Samsung have incorporated their own framework to railroad you into the "Samsung" way. Which may be fine for some. I want the "Google" way (having been spoilt with my previous N1/Froyo).
Also, I wonder if vanilla Android OS, the GPS might actually be useful ...
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Exactly. You buy an Android phone for the Google experience. I just wished it was like Nexus One is.
Having re-read the original thread, I'm led to believe that the vanilla ROM still includes TouchWiz - from the context, I think this is a ROM from MoDaCo's kitchen perhaps, based on a stock Samsung ROM
miker71 said:
For me it's a matter of compatibility.
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So are you saying that compatibility issues disappear if we had a vanilla OS?
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I wonder if vanilla Android OS, the GPS might actually be useful ...
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Would there be a different GPS driver and API if we had a vanilla OS?
MaNIaC
Watch this video first:
I'm here to propose a community funded effort in finding(and funding) developers interested in making a design concept a reality. Looking over the video a few times, I began thinking how easy it would be to do this with android especially with all the customizable apps and widgets. the only problem is that some of the applications would need to be coded from scratch. Or maybe some apps can be themed to look like it (IE ubermusic app theme). I personally like it and would like to see if anyone else is interested and thoughts/opinions. I'm extremely open to criticism and critiques. I would take on this project myself, but my Java knowledge isn't that extensive, as well as my C/C++ skills, however, I am willing to make the necessary image files if need. I may also contact designer behind the iOS7 concept and see if he is willing to contribute as well.
In Final:
Looking to find and fund developers willing to either make a custom rom or applications that are similar to the ones in the video. If it a custom rom, I would it would be CM, Kang or Slimrom base! yee.
dude, fix your post. Your links are unfriendly!
AiyoX said:
I'm here to propose a community funded effort in finding(and funding) developers interested in making a design concept a reality. Looking over the video a few times, I began thinking how easy it would be to do this with android especially with all the customizable apps and widgets. the only problem is that some of the applications would need to be coded from scratch. Or maybe some apps can be themed to look like it (IE ubermusic app theme). I personally like it and would like to see if anyone else is interested and thoughts/opinions. I'm extremely open to criticism and critiques. I would take on this project myself, but my Java knowledge isn't that extensive, as well as my C/C++ skills, however, I am willing to make the necessary image files if need. I may also contact designer behind the iOS7 concept and see if he is willing to contribute as well.
In Final:
Looking to find and fund developers willing to either make a custom rom or applications that are similar to the ones in the video. If it a custom rom, I would it would be CM, Kang or Slimrom base! yee.
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You have to fix links for video.
just copy this text : ESivYZXYqYE and then select it, and use 'YouTube' icon fourth from right.
Looks really nice kind of like miui a little more advanced
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Good luck. Your gonna need it.
Wayne Tech Nexus
That concept video is basically just a bunch of features that already exist in android. As for the design language as previous commenter mentioned it's very much like MIUI. Just start looking at different launchers and widgets available and you'll soon be able to knock this up. I could probably get a decent replication with a combination of Apex launcher, UCCW and some icon packs.
IIIIkoolaidIIII said:
That concept video is basically just a bunch of features that already exist in android. As for the design language as previous commenter mentioned it's very much like MIUI. Just start looking at different launchers and widgets available and you'll soon be able to knock this up. I could probably get a decent replication with a combination of Apex launcher, UCCW and some icon packs.
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a good copy of miui and android. so, who is the king of the copy ? google or apple.
persano said:
a good copy of miui and android. so, who is the king of the copy ? google or apple.
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MIUI is the copycat. It is known as the Joke Android rom lol
persano said:
a good copy of miui and android. so, who is the king of the copy ? google or apple.
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You do realise this is a fan made video?
zelendel said:
MIUI is the copycat. It is known as the Joke Android rom lol
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Really now... I am sure the guys at miuiandroid.com would argue with you on that...
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rignfool said:
Really now... I am sure the guys at miuiandroid.com would argue with you on that...
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Oh they can all they want. Every developer knows that all they do is take codes from others. Even their theme settings are built off of CM coding. The whole look of the rom is a copycat off someone else. Apple is gonna have a field day with them the min they try to sell internationally and so is the GPL lawyers.
No real dev takes them seriously.
Wayne Tech Nexus
Time to get this sorted out. Let's establish a few facts first:
1. The AOSP apps are old and outdated so they are going to be replaced.
2. We are talking about preinstalled "stock" apps in the ROM, i.e. which Calendar, Contacts and Email client that are to be preinstalled.
3. Shipping a ROM without any of them preinstalled is not an option.
4. The question asked here is which of those "preinstalled" apps the ROM should contain - i.e. we are NOT talking about what G-Apps package there should be but what "default" apps there should be for Calendar, Contacts et al.
5. AOSP apps or pico/nano G-Apps is not a valid answer since the first ones are outdated, the second one would leave the ROM without certain base apps installed - so again, not relevant here.
The alternatives under consideration are:
1. G-Apps
The Google Calendar, Contacts et al instead of the AOSP apps.
2. BlackBerry apps
This would mean BB Calendar, Contacts and Hub etc. Perhaps even Productivity Tab. Those apps are well designed, high quality with decent functionality and follow the Material Design guidelines. They are easy to evaluate here:
https://cobalt232.github.io/blackberrymanager/
Just download BB Manager and install them.
They are excellent replacements for AOSP apps.
3. Sony apps
This is another option, i.e. AOSP apps replaced by different Sony apps. Those are also well designed and fit the Material Design language. The most important ones to consider here are Album and Music - they are the best apps of Sony with great UI design and feature set, especially image and video editing and so on.
Different Sony apps can be evaluated here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony-themes-apps/mod-port-pexomod-xperia-features-apps-t3315781
PexoMod is really great and also provide Play Store updates (I have been using this on both my Max and Xperia Z Ultra).
Modded APKs are available here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony-themes-apps/app-xperia-app-stock-rom-t3263403
The general XDA section for Sony apps:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony-themes-apps
Why those choices?
Most important reason: They run well on the ROM.
Those apps can run without the need of framework modification, unlike some other OEM apps. This is also the reason why the selection has been narrowed down to those packages, beside their overall quality and usability.
Why not include [insert whatever app from Play Store]?
Because those apps are replacements for the AOSP apps and it is just undoable to accommodate different requests (can't compile 100 different ROMs for each user). It is also a benefit if the apps are available through XDA rather than requiring APK extraction from Play Store or APK Mirror for bundling.
I don't use X so don't include it!
Again, 100 different ROMs for 100 different users are simply undoable. It sounds harsh but it is a fact. It is also time to end this sense of entitlement, i.e. that everything can be adjusted to the I, Me and Mine and that what *I* want is "more important" than anything else (the problem arise when there are more than one *I* in the equation).
Prerequisites for app proposals
If there are proposals to include other apps, kindly observe the following prerequisites then:
I. The app should be available on XDA (i.e. Play Store won't do).
II. The app should follow some kind of theme (i.e. calendar and contacts from the same source, i.e. not one app from one place with one UI and another from another place with a different UI). Coherent design, please.
III. Provide some kind of explanation more than "because I use it" (people use different apps...).
Good luck and let's see where this leads us.
Happy voting!
voted for G-apps.
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Time to get this sorted out. Let's establish a few facts first:
1. The AOSP apps are old and outdated so they are going to be replaced.
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Facts!? Apparently you have no idea what AOSP is... Thousands of eyes looking at the code and fixing/improving it at any given moment.
So lets run MIUI which is updated regularly(who cares if it's 7.0) and trash AOSP and any custom ROM(all AOSP based and kept in sync with latest source code). You see what I mean?
We all here have one common thing - we don't like miui, otherwise why should we use custom roms!? And now you are trying to push another vendor apps? WTF!?!?
Sorry, couldn't stand this nonsense anymore...
I don't want to replace any files, just like that's RR
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Facts!? Apparently you have no idea what AOSP is... Thousands of eyes looking at the code and fixing/improving it at any given moment.
So lets run MIUI which is updated regularly(who cares if it's 7.0) and trash AOSP and any custom ROM(all AOSP based and kept in sync with latest source code). You see what I mean?
We all here have one common thing - we don't like miui, otherwise why should we use custom roms!? And now you are trying to push another vendor apps? WTF!?!?
Sorry, couldn't stand this nonsense anymore...
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Exactly my thoughts, Wouldn't like to mess with the Build structure.... but I'm in minority
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Facts!? Apparently you have no idea what AOSP is... Thousands of eyes looking at the code and fixing/improving it at any given moment.
So lets run MIUI which is updated regularly(who cares if it's 7.0) and trash AOSP and any custom ROM(all AOSP based and kept in sync with latest source code). You see what I mean?
We all here have one common thing - we don't like miui, otherwise why should we use custom roms!? And now you are trying to push another vendor apps? WTF!?!?
Sorry, couldn't stand this nonsense anymore...
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Thats why we voted for gapps
He liked his sony apps a lot. But I agree on the 'fact' that there is no point pushing a vendor apps package. Some other will like sam**** apps more and try to have them in the ROM.
If aosp apps are removed, nothing other than gapps should fill its place.
All others who want sony and what not, can flash them over (maybe they like it beautiful and all).
I do want the aosp apps to be replaced by gapps in every ROM.
Aosp dialer is fine but google dialer is better. They have changed the in-call UI and incoming call ui. I like it better. Although aosp dialer works too.
Messaging, I am good with aosp.
All other apps, I want them gone. Aosp calendar is ugly and gave me a lot of problems asking me to log in to google account again and then saying already logged in. Didnt let me view the month view calendar. I want it burned.
Aosp is constantly being reviewed and updated but these apps are not really updated.
Some functionality is added and fixed but gapps have the modern design and newer functionality. I think you'd agree on that.
but as always, its lovely to hear your thoughts and bashing LOL
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I don't want to replace any files, just like that's RR
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But I would request and advise to use nijel8 device tree and add OMS to your ROMs.
I would love to try your ROMs.
We had a word sometime back and you said you hadn't cared about OMS/substratum at that point.
Hope you have now and included it.
Note: when @nijel8 adds substratum, all other ROMs for mi max will see a decrease in popularity.
Except probably davehimself's because he willl continue to use nijel's tree and add V4A and gapps (replacing aosp) to his RR builds.
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Thats why we voted for gapps
He liked his sony apps a lot. But I agree on the 'fact' that there is no point pushing a vendor apps package. Some other will like sam**** apps more and try to have them in the ROM.
If aosp apps are removed, nothing other than gapps should fill its place.
All others who want sony and what not, can flash them over (maybe they like it beautiful and all).
I do want the aosp apps to be replaced by gapps in every ROM.
Aosp dialer is fine but google dialer is better. They have changed the in-call UI and incoming call ui. I like it better. Although aosp dialer works too.
Messaging, I am good with aosp.
All other apps, I want them gone. Aosp calendar is ugly and gave me a lot of problems asking me to log in to google account again and then saying already logged in. Didnt let me view the month view calendar. I want it burned.
Aosp is constantly being reviewed and updated but these apps are not really updated.
Some functionality is added and fixed but gapps have the modern design and newer functionality. I think you'd agree on that.
but as always, its lovely to hear your thoughts and bashing LOL
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But I would request and advise to use nijel8 device tree and add OMS to your ROMs.
I would love to try your ROMs.
We had a word sometime back and you said you hadn't cared about OMS/substratum at that point.
Hope you have now and included it.
Note: when @nijel8 adds substratum, all other ROMs for mi max will see a decrease in popularity.
Except probably davehimself's because he willl continue to use nijel's tree and add V4A and gapps (replacing aosp) to his RR builds.
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If I'm not mistaken, almost every ROM is available OMS except for LineageOS. And it looks like you have not tried my rom yet
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If I'm not mistaken, almost every ROM is available OMS except for LineageOS. And it looks like you have not tried my rom yet
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true.
nijel8 said:
Facts!? Apparently you have no idea what AOSP is... Thousands of eyes looking at the code and fixing/improving it at any given moment.
So lets run MIUI which is updated regularly(who cares if it's 7.0) and trash AOSP and any custom ROM(all AOSP based and kept in sync with latest source code). You see what I mean?
We all here have one common thing - we don't like miui, otherwise why should we use custom roms!? And now you are trying to push another vendor apps? WTF!?!?
Sorry, couldn't stand this nonsense anymore...
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OK, this is the story:
1. There came up an idea from Davehimself about replacing AOSP apps with G-Apps in the ROM.
2. He released a new build of RR with G-Apps. Users complained, arguing that they only use pico/nano G-Apps and not Google Maps etc.
3. Because of this discussion, this thread was started.
4. The notion about "outdated AOSP" apps are based on the opinions voiced in the thread regarding replacement.
My personal take is that I have no issues with AOSP apps but in order to understand why this thread were opened, check the reactions when the latest RR build arrived with G-Apps.
I would also recommend you to check the BlackBerry apps - they are good.
The background of the thread is this:
"If AOSP apps are to be replaced, with what are we going to replace them?"
Edit: I haven't had any problems with G-Apps or AOSP apps myself (typically flash the Open G-Apps Mini) but the reactions in the thread led to the impression that putting such things into the ROM was very "inappropriate" - backed up by the "strong" I don't use X" argument....
So logical conclusion:
"If people complain about G-Apps, what next - i.e. what to replace the AOSP apps with?"
My personal take is that G-Apps are the logical replacement, BB and Sony apps came up as an alternative based on the input when people kept insisting on their pico/nano packages (i.e. don't include Google Maps etc).
I would also like to add that BlackBerry or Sony apps are good apps and follow the general design language of Material Design. So I wouldn't dismiss them that easily, especially not by equating them to MIUI.
Edit: I must add that the AOSP apps are pretty outdated in comparison with the alternatives. There is a reason why a lot of G-Apps packages replace them.
The best AOSP app I have been using was the Browser, which I hanged on to for a very long time due to its high performance but switched to Gello and later CAF/SWE.
I would also add that "AOSP apps" aren't the reason for my use of custom ROMs. I haven't any grudge against "vendor apps" due to them being "vendor apps" provided that they follow Material Design and work well, without requiring proprietary frameworks etc (i.e. they can be used on any ROM).
BB and Sony apps fulfill those requirements.
It is also telling that there are ROMs like the "XOSP" since Sony is good at design and their apps are simply.... pleasant.
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OK, this is the story:
1. There came up an idea from Davehimself about replacing AOSP apps with G-Apps in the ROM.
2. He released a new build of RR with G-Apps. Users complained, arguing that they only use pico/nano G-Apps and not Google Maps etc.
3. Because of this discussion, this thread was started.
4. The notion about "outdated AOSP" apps are based on the opinions voiced in the thread regarding replacement.
My personal take is that I have no issues with AOSP apps but in order to understand why this thread were opened, check the reactions when the latest RR build arrived with G-Apps.
I would also recommend you to check the BlackBerry apps - they are good.
The background of the thread is this:
"If AOSP apps are to be replaced, with what are we going to replace them?"
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I always like to try out new things. Doing the same thing over and over again is just getting boring, so I started to build a most common custom rom on the best base out there and added things like OTA support. This whole thing of replacing AOSP apps is just an other idea from my side, because most people I know are flashing gapps and replace the AOSP apps. I also like the idea of building a rom based on user votes, so lets see what happens.
Of course AOSP apps are NOT outdated, maybe that's just a misunderstanding. When I said "old" I didn't mean outdated, rather an old design/look/feeling and functionallity compared to the google apps for exemple but that just depends on personal preferences.
I personally like a dynamic conversation and I'm happy for every feedback. If I'll get a lot of requests now to get back the AOSP apps I will do that of course
Again... Saying AOSP apps are outdated is like saying AOSP is outdated. Totally wrong...
There is a reason why gapps are not part of any self respective rom distribution. Even Google doesn't include their gapps in their AOSP. You can get whatever gapps/apps you want from anywhere but you can't get AOSP apps from anywhere but the original build!!! And where they are if removed?
But of course devs are free to do whatever they want with their projects and users are free not to use it.
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most people I know are flashing gapps and replace the AOSP apps.
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AOSP apps are the first thing I remove
Davehimself said:
I always like to try out new things. Doing the same thing over and over again is just getting boring, so I started to build a most common custom rom on the best base out there and added things like OTA support. This whole thing of replacing AOSP apps is just an other idea from my side, because most people I know are flashing gapps and replace the AOSP apps. I also like the idea of building a rom based on user votes, so lets see what happens.
Of course AOSP apps are NOT outdated, maybe that's just a misunderstanding. When I said "old" I didn't mean outdated, rather an old design/look/feeling and functionallity compared to the google apps for exemple but that just depends on personal preferences.
I personally like a dynamic conversation and I'm happy for every feedback. If I'll get a lot of requests now to get back the AOSP apps I will do that of course
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If Google kept the AOSP apps "aligned" with their G-Apps (think of the CAF/SWE browsers even if we should credit Qualcomm as well here) and essentially just made one "FOSS" version and the "Googlified" one I wouldn't see any issues with them.
I would even bet that most G-Apps packages would leave them alone as well rather than just replacing them.
Considering that Google ship their own devices with G-Apps and we are using a Google designed system I think it is perfectly logical to ship it with such a package instead of AOSP.
I think some of the complainers are those who spend time at Android Police writing intelligent comments like: "Don't say that Samsung is bloated! Nexus/Pixel is bloated because they have G-Apps!"
OK, wake me up when Google ship a device with the same amount of duplicated apps and 2-3 voice assistants....
nijel8 said:
Again... Saying AOSP apps are outdated is like saying AOSP is outdated. Totally wrong...
There is a reason why gapps are not part of any self respective rom distribution. Even Google doesn't include their gapps in their AOSP. You can get whatever gapps/apps you want from anywhere but you can't get AOSP apps from anywhere but the original build!!! And where they are if removed?
But of course devs are free to do whatever they want with their projects and users are free not to use it.
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Just a simple question:
Are you using those AOSP apps?
It sounds like it is some kind of "serious" issue when a ROM is shipped with G-Apps instead of them. Beside being AOSP apps, are there any particular benefit with them from a usability/design perspective?
But I am happy to make another poll and that one will be very simple: AOSP or G-Apps?
I understand the attraction of AOSP apps on "Google free" installations but must admit that I fail to see how it can be an "issue" when a ROM is made "Google".
The poll is now open. Let's see how many users that actually use their AOSP Apps.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-max/how-to/poll-aosp-apps-g-apps-t3650046
paarkhi said:
Exactly my thoughts, Wouldn't like to mess with the Build structure.... but I'm in minority
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yes, same with me.
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E90 Commie said:
Just a simple question:
Are you using those AOSP apps?
It sounds like it is some kind of "serious" issue when a ROM is shipped with G-Apps instead of them. Beside being AOSP apps, are there any particular benefit with them from a usability/design perspective?
But I am happy to make another poll and that one will be very simple: AOSP or G-Apps?
I understand the attraction of AOSP apps on "Google free" installations but must admit that I fail to see how it can be an "issue" when a ROM is made "Google".
The poll is now open. Let's see how many users that actually use their AOSP Apps.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-max/how-to/poll-aosp-apps-g-apps-t3650046
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why don't you just make your own rom and used it for yourself?
I could ask the same question.
Ergo: Should there be X different ROMs or should we just do polls and let users decide?
Poll results are easy to agree with. They are what they are.
E90 Commie said:
I could ask the same question.
Ergo: Should there be X different ROMs or should we just do polls and let users decide?
Poll results are easy to agree with. They are what they are.
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... and people are doing it. My PM inbox is full of requests to build clean RR or asking how to build it themselves. Just from yesterday's direction change...
The question remain:
What are the benefits of those AOSP apps?
OK, "people" (some of them....) "want" a "clean build" (AOSP apps since the difference is those and V4A) but the question is why?
It sounds like it is a serious issue with G-Apps instead of AOSP apps so again: WHAT is this issue? In which way did things "deteriorate" when AOSP Calendar et al were replaced by the Google Calendar?
The poll did tell a story of G-Apps being preferred and I am certainly one of those who did flash the Mini package before and I can't say that I am in mourning over the "loss" of AOSP apps...
Why does a ROM need to come with things like an email client and calendar pre-installed anyway? Apps are very easy to download and everybody's got their own personal preferences, so I'm not sure why it would be a big deal for a ROM to just not come with these apps installed.
nijel8 said:
... and people are doing it. My PM inbox is full of requests to build clean RR or asking how to build it themselves. Just from yesterday's direction change...
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yes, that true I'm one of them.