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I have decided to do a little comparison test with the Galaxy note 2 and my old iPhone 4. I have only recently come aboard the good ship Android, so I am still finding my way around. Although I fully understand that the camera does not make or break the phone, for me it is one of the features that I rely on now and again.
I love taking a picture with my SLR but there are times when you cannot use the SLR, or times when you do not want to take it out so for me the camera is something I use. If it had been my sole requirement i would have probably chosen the Nokia 808 Pureview, but Nokia decided to cripple their phones using their chosen software - but that's is another debate.
I didn’t want to do a tremendous amount of testing so I decided to use the stock apps on both phones. I have paid a little more detail to the Note 2 with looking at the normal picture setting and the low light function. I may use another application on the note as the standard camera app is not the best.
I placed a book, a battery and a sound card in my photo booth. The reason for these items was to get something with a plain colour (the book) something that is small but has a little bit of detail (battery) and something that has a lot of detail (sound card). All tests were conducted indoors, nothing outdoors as of yet.
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From both images you can see there is a definite difference. The iPhones image has a little more ‘viberance’ to it. Overall the colour on the iPhone looks better overall whereas the note 2 image looks a little washed out, however this is purely subjective and I like my photos to have a little more saturation. When viewing photos on the AMOLED screen they do look incredibly vibrant, however, on a normal monitor they do not. What is quite interesting is that the file size of the iPhone 4 image is actually larger than that of the 8 mega pixel file form the Note 2. This could be for a number of reasons; one could be the amount of sharpening applied in the processing, another could be the amount of saturation the software adds to give it a little more ‘zing’.
When testing the sharpness and detail of a camera most magazines tend to do 100% crops showing how much detail can be resolved. The comparisons have been done below.
iPhone first, then Note 2.
Crop with low light mode enabled
From this quick demo you can see that there is a slight difference between the iPhone and the Samsung photos. Personally I don’t think its hardware related, I’m pretty sure that it is software related. I am going on the browse for some add free, free camera software and take a few photos with that.
Once again I would like to stress that this is just an indoor shot, and I have simply not had time to do any outdoor shots. Maybe I will try some on the weekend and report back then.
What do you lot think?
Like yourself it seems, photography is a big hobby of mine and whilst I use a DSLR normally too, I'm more than happy to have my Note 2 with me for quick snaps.
Looking at your test shots, I'd say overall there's not much between them.
iPhone is definitely more vibrant, but the Note 2 shots look more natural. Looking at the uncropped shots, the Note 2 seems to give a clearer image but when viewed at 100% the iPhone seems to have captured slightly more detail. I'd say the Note 2 controls noise better, especially with low light mode. Even without low light mode the Note 2 seems to use more noise control than the iPhone. The downside to this is that more noise control can lead to softer shots, which is why the iPhone shots looks a touch sharper, if a little grainy.
Could all just be my eyes though
Random fact... the Note 2 was originally meant to ship with a 13MP Sony sensor, but Sony couldn't produce enough in time to meet Samsung's deadline so instead it shipped with an 8MP sensor. As you probably know, more MP doesn't always mean a better image as cramming more pixels on a small sensor means each pixel can capture less light, but it would have been interesting to see what the images would have been like had it got the 13MP sensor.
I really wish nokia would have licensed their Pureview tech to Samsung. Would make it a little better.
Though the GS2 and the GN2 both have an 8MP camera, I find the GN2's camera far superior. I suspect this may have something to do with the faster CPU, but not sure. I have used both extensively.
Dylanlewis2000 said:
I really wish nokia would have licensed their Pureview tech to Samsung. Would make it a little better.
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I really wish Nokia would produce android devices as well...
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The iPhone clearly takes sharper images in this comparison, at the expense of noise. Contrast appears to be much better with the iPhone as well, the GN2 photos look a little 'washed out'. Colours are more vibrant with the iPhone as well but perhaps too much?
A semi pro photographer here, hobby too. I never liked any cell phone's camera to be honest. But when I had my C905, things were little better. It had an impressive camera, almost replaced my Ixus for now and then, here and there shots. Then I got the Satio. Another good one. Then don't know what happened, I stepped into Samsung! My first Sammy was a i8910, it had a good camera. So I thought let's continue with Samsung. Next was Wave S8500, I didn't buy it for camera anyway. Then I got the infamous SII. Well after using it for more than year, I can say I was 'fairly' happy with it. Now, Note 2, I don't know, right from the first shot, till now, I DO NOT like this camera, how the photos are appearing, are below average in my eyes.
It's always about 'post software processing' in a mobile camera. A tiny sensor can never produce great photos. So it all matters how the photo is being processed after taking it via the camera firmware provided. That's where a brand plays it tricks. Most of them have Sony's sensor, so talking about hardware is meaningless. Now, here in Note 2, the post processing seems either to be not full or poorly done. Optimizing a photo is bad! An average user, who really would care about the 'background' processes, all they will see the ultimate photo, and there Note 2 fails. Photos turn out grainy, with noise. The biggest letdown is the led flash. At night, in parties, when it's dark, and you don't have your SLR or it's not the place for it, of course you'll need flash. The flash is terribly weak, and badly spread.
Anyway, writing too much, I'm short, after owning 7 or 8 high end cell phones, with their average camera, this Note 2 camera is the most disappointing in my eyes.
However, I don't give a damn, I always (you know what I mean) carry my 350 or D90 (yeah, I know, they are average DSLR), so I'd not bother much about this, BUT not everyone is like me or like OP, for them a 700$ mobile phone should provide 'fairly good' output, where this device, F A I L S.
Now, one thing you see, I really won't bother by some fanboys quoting my comment and say otherwise, knowing I've spent my hard time and money, for more than a decade behind photography. So thanks to them in advance anyway
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The main issue comes down to the camera using iso 800 on auto mode in many scenes, i.e indoors, which is just bizarre. Set it to a lower value manually and the graininess gets a lot better.
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If you want more vibrant colours in the settings select SCN/Panorama.
This is the Sony Xperia Z2 user and reviewer camera thread
Xperia Z2 camera specifications
1/2,3"m 20.7MP Sony Exmor RS BSI sensor
5248x3936 pixel resolution at full size, 3840x2160 in Superior Auto Mode
F2.0 G-lens, 27mm wide angle
BiONZ image signal processor
HDR photo and video
4k video recording, [email protected]
My quick camera review
All my shots are available on my flickr page, full size with EXIF info here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/
Sony mobile sensors are a hit nowadays, from iPhones to LG, Oppo, OnePlus or last year's Samsung flagships, Sony's backside-illuminated (BSI) camera tech is wildly popular for it's excellent per pixel sharpness, good dynamic range and small physical size. Sony struggled however in the past to make it's Exmors work for their own Xperia smartphones, the Z had quite soft images and the Z1, while upped sensor size to 1/2.3" and megapixel count to 20, suffered from over-processing and minor lens inconsistencies. Have Sony got rid of these issues to give it's excellent sensor justice? The answer is a definitive yes, the Xperia Z2 offers fine amount of details with toned back software sharpening and snappier performance, I also didn't experience lens soft spots or distortions.
There's one interesting thing Sony introduced last year: while the large 1/2.3" sensor offers 20MPs, it's new automatic mode, Superior Auto only shoots in 8MP at 16:9 aspect ratio, and even in manual mode HDR or scenes can only be activated at 8MP (either at 4:3 or 16:9 aspect ratio). Why have a 20MP sensor then if 8 is where you get the most options, good question, but at least the 20 comes handy when zooming, otherwise 8 is good enough for print quality images and processing is faster at that resolution. Speaking of speed, Sony also uses two image signal processors (ISP), so camera speed definitely improved over it's predecessors.
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This is the viewfinder you see when opening an app, and by default the 3840x2160 resolution Superior Auto runs which will choose the preferred camera mode (incl. HDR or night mode), adding some saturation and sharpening after downsampling. Tap to focus, flash settings, timer, burst, and smile shutter are available here. The camera records 1080p videos in this mode.
Moving on to Manual mode, you may choose the maximum 20MPs here (5248x3936) and set up flash, ISO, WB, focus metering, timer and stabilizer, or shoot at 8MP and able to choose HDR, Soft skin, Soft snap, Landscape, Night portrait, High sensitivity, Anti-motion blur, Blacklight HDR, Hand-held twilight, Gourmet, Pet, Beach, Snow, Party, Sports, Document or Fireworks scene modes. You may choose 1080p at 60FPS or 720p at 120FPS in Manual Mode.
The other modes are 4k video recording at 3840x2160, play around slow motion in Timeshift video, blur defocused areas in Background defocus, add 3D objects to the picture like dinosaurs in AR effect, add artistic filters in Creative effect, shoot a 6-second stylish video for Vine, choose best photo out of a burst in Timeshift mode or shoot a 2D Panorama by sweeping the camera. A couple of mode examples:
Image quality in good lights is stellar, details are fine even at 20MPs but especially at 8 which I recommend to use in Manual mode to be able to use HDR and scenes. Focus, white balance and exposure are quite consistent, although under certain conditions like facing directly into lights these can be a little troubled. Overall, images are natural on the slightly cooler side, and Manual mode is less saturated than Superior Auto. Dynamic range is good, and HDR helps in high contrast situations. There are no HDR inconsistencies, though the effect could be stronger. Tap to focus is fast as well as tap-to-snap speeds, and if you need to capture really fast movement you can go for high ISO or choose Sports mode. Overall, you'll shoot many quality images in daylight.
Normal vs. HDR:
Macro and closeups are very good too, there's no need for special modes just move close to the target and either let the camera shoot or tap to focus - the latter does not always hold for the shot, sometimes the camera refocuses before shooting even though you set it up perfectly. Depth of field is good in these situations, and if you prefer softer backgrounds, you can always choose Background defocus.
Low light and night shooting, as always, is where things get tough for small mobile sensors, the Z2 is no exception. The strengths of the new Xperia is dealing with higher ISO with tolerable loss of details and having a strong LED flash to light up small dark areas, so you'll be able to shoot at least usable, but with some tweaks some pretty decent low light shots. What's lacking is of course optical image stabilization, which makes avoiding handshake blur harder, especially at 1/7s exposure, which is the slowest shutter speed I saw. White balance suffers more inconsistencies during the night, there's a slight yellowish tinting, but nothing too bad. High ISO (manually available to choose up to ISO3200, the phone can go up to ISO6400 automatically) can brighten up some really dark places, Night scene and Night portrait scene modes - which requires a longer hold to operate - can also bring out dark details at a heavy loss of details, but you really need to be really steady here. HDR works in low light too. Overall, the Z2 does a decent job in low light.
ISO100 vs. ISO 3200
ISO100 vs. ISO800 + HDR
Video quality is top notch with clean, artifact-free and highly detailed, especially at 4k, and audio is nice and crisp. Steady shot can compensate some of the handshake with surprisingly good results, though OIS would be even better. Tap-to-focus and shooting a photo while recording are both available, as well as using the LED flash as torch light. While moving or with movement in the background sometimes causes refocusing, more visibly during the night - night videos are cool BTW just not as fully detailed as day ones, with some yellowish tinting. 4k is so good that you can choose to print single frames, I uploaded some at full 8MP res., while 60FPS at 1080p gives smoother motion, also uploaded 2 samples. Just note that a single minute of 4k video will take up about 400MB at 56MBit/s + 158kb/s audio, and camera shuts down after a few minutes due to overheating. No such issues at any 1080p mode, and you can shoot in HDR at that resolution.
(any artifact you see on these videos are due to YouTube recompressing)
60FPS video sample #1 (download)
60FPS video sample #2 (download)
4k frame captures via VLC Media Player:
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About that overheating issue... one of the negative surprises I had with the Z2 was the phone overheating and shutting down when I really stressed the camera under the sunlight. Many face the 4k overheating problem which is understandable, it needs exceptional resources and other rivals limit this capture to 5 minutes, but under the warm Spring sun I had camera crashes when taking photos too. We're not yet know how wide-spread this issue is, but I suspect that with ISP and SoC working hard and the sun's heat and 100% screen brightness giving extra heat, things get a bit too hot and the phone chooses safety shutdown. Since the Z2 never got too hot while shutdown, I suspect that Sony set the camera app heat policy a little too conservative, so SW update could get rid of this, or maybe you'll never face this at all.
Overall the Z2's camera is an important step forward for Sony. Faster operation with more details and less post-processing results in higher rate of quality images, and short 4k clips give stellar videos as well let is be 4k, 60FPS or HDR. Low light performance could be improved with white balance and OIS, and some autofocus inconsistencies is video need to be addressed too, but I didn't find any of this too distracting. I would prefer to use all 20MPs for all manual settings and scenes, and video zooming should use the megapixels too and not just zoom into the 1080p or 4k image. But let's be clear: the Z2 produces some of the finest images and videos on mobile and the modes and settings give a lot of options to play with. And if Sony isolates and gets rid of the heat problems, which only come out in special situations, the Z2 and it's camera definitely comes recommended for some serious mobile snapping.
I'd like to thank XXLGSM for the test device, hope you enjoyed my short bit, please look up all my photos here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/
Thankyou, excellent find :good:
The translated version of the page makes interesting reading , this bodes well for the Xperia Z2 especially as this is a test version and there is still room for improvement from Sony engineers to make even more improvements
Here's the translated version of the page:-
http://translate.google.com/transla...8&u=http://www.ringhk.com/report2.php?id=8273
Those night pictures look pretty bad :crying: my nexus with HDR+ on takes better night photos
Chad_Petree said:
Those night pictures look pretty bad :crying: my nexus with HDR+ on takes better night photos
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They look pretty good to me - if your shots are this good, you can post them for comparison so we can look at the 100% crops.
Some indoors from the same Hong Kong article
http://www.ringhk.com/report2.php?id=8273
Xperia Z1 vs. Z2 at night from Eprice.com.hk
Source, full size: http://www.eprice.com.hk/mobile/talk/4551/170008/1/rv/sony-xperia-z2-review/
First shot Z1 manual mode, 2nd shot Z2 manual mode, 3rd shot Z2 Superior Auto Mode. The Z1 shot is slightly darker but more detailed with heavy sharpening artifacts (white dots). The Z2 while a bit softer on detail has no over-processing artifacts, though white balance is a bit on the red side. WB is fair on the 3rd shot, Z2 superior auto. Click on images for full resolution.
The 3rd shot is just amazing!
Some MWC shots from two Asian sites
Sources, full size: http://www.sogi.com.tw/mobile/articles/6225507-攝錄、功能再進化！索尼Xperia+Z2實測【MWC+2014】
http://www.ringhk.com/news2.php?id=8238
z1 vs z2 pics
other pics here :
z1 vs z2
http://www.ringhk.com/news2.php?id=8285
testnumero said:
other pics here :
z1 vs z2
http://www.ringhk.com/news2.php?id=8285
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z1 pics are a lot sharper
more z2, and z1 vs z2 pics :
http://www.eprice.com.hk/mobile/talk/4551/170031/1/rv/sony-xperia-z2-review/
progosu said:
z1 pics are a lot sharper
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maybe the z2 has a stronger algorithm to smooth out/blur the noise, although noise shouldn't be a problem at low iso as seen in the first image.
still the photos are on the newer f200 fimware which has great noise performance at higher isos so that shouldn't be the issue.
just looked at the night shots and the z2 has a 1/13s exp at iso1250 vs 1/16s exp at iso1000, wonder if this slight difference would make such a big difference in 2 photos. Regardless it seems the white balance is better on the z2 at night vs the z1.
For the 3rd night photo, it seems superior auto has opted for the night scene, since it is 0.77s and iso200, the noise level is quite low vs what I am used to on my z1 using night scene.
progosu said:
z1 pics are a lot sharper
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Yes the Z1 does have sharper pictures, but mostly due to the severe overprocessing leaving a lot of artifacts. In the end, neither system can have true 20 million pixels of detail, so it's a bit pointless to pack so many MPs in.
95% same pic z2 in macro semms more details
Hmm..
So What Sony did with the Bionz is, pull the image from sensor, send to Bionz for image processing with sharpening and noise reduction.
Seems quite evident that Sony over sharpen with the algorithm and hence the black crisscross artifact -|-|-| with the Z1 camera which mistaken as noise. The Z2 has less sharpening effect hence the blur at pixel peeping level. I might be wrong though.
We'll see good results in first few firmwares then after that it will be a disaster and a disappointment just like the Z1.
Both phones have the same camera module and I hope they fix this issue.
I just don't think 20MP is justified at such a sensor size, either the lens or the sensor pixel size is causing noise and softness that needs to be processed and it's just more work for the ISP. A 12MP sensor would be more adequate. Anyways, here's a Z1 vs. Z2 comparison, both a bit yellowish in WB, any my edit of what a Lumia would produce. I notice that some of the previous indoors shots are a bit tight on color depth too.
chesterr said:
We'll see good results in first few firmwares then after that it will be a disaster and a disappointment just like the Z1.
Both phones have the same camera module and I hope they fix this issue.
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Bone I would like u to conclude what do u think of z2 camera when compared to other ANDROID cameras
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faraaz3 said:
Bone I would like u to conclude what do u think of z2 camera when compared to other ANDROID cameras
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No conclusion until extensive reviews, or if and when I can test it myself.
Whoever gets the Z2 early, should kindly test speed and reliability of autofocus, white balance and exposure (like how many shots come out good out of 10 snaps). Posting superior auto, full 20MP manual and HDR samples should also give us a clue about overall picture quality, level of post-processing, lens issues if there's any, SW preference of shutter speed and ISO, picture-to-picture performance and so on. Right now we must wait patiently, and share whatever we find online.
A few more from Eprice
Source, full resolution: http://www.eprice.com.hk/mobile/talk/4551/170031/
Let's gather our photo examples with m9+ camera. Go into detail which base it was shot on which photo app.
Discuss tricks and tips if any occurs to your mind.
In my opinion the m9+ camera comes short on the Auto focus speed part, and also keeping focus in low light conditions faces some problems resulting in some often blurriness (I'm sure we all know that hTC needs to improve with the camera part in general, I loved how snappy M7's camera was, but M9+ and as I've heard M9's camera is not as snappy as predecessors were and top notch competitors like LG G3 laser focus is).
While outside, in day light, the pictures are generally very good (but that's expected, and luckily m9+ camera meets the expectation IMHO). But let's discuss this further, opinions matter.
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The camera is terrible.
I loved the M7's camera, and my wife's M8 takes very good looking pictures ans well despite the low resolution.
Unfortunately the M9+'s camera is terrible. Can't take any good indoors pictures of my daughter anymore.
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The camera is terrible.
I loved the M7's camera, and my wife's M8 takes very good looking pictures ans well despite the low resolution.
Unfortunately the M9+'s camera is terrible. Can't take any good indoors pictures of my daughter anymore.
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Yeah, indoor is very hard to handle, I need to try 2-4 times to get one good, and mostly with flash, no other way.
On the other side, outdoor images are really nice compared to m7 (i had m7 before too). So there's a down and an up-side. Unfortunately it'd be possible to create a camera that's good inside as well, looking at LG G3's photos by my friend, I'm saying, wow, that's good and without flash...
HDR / without HDR with stock camera on 1.61 European base. If your hand is shaky you can get some blur with HDR. I like the result image's details and range, but it doesn't work too well for stitching the different dynamics images into a solid exact match. Hopefully this can get better with software updates.
Without HDR
HDR
Some macro shots.
And a bit of experience: I'm starting to be content with the device's camera. I've put the ISO cap to 200 and varied with Sharpness a bit, and starting to get good results inside with flash. I could shoot some very nice interior low light photos with the flash, and also there's a huge difference in selfies with the ultrapixel in dusk/dark. M9+ and M9 might seem like a camera underdog, but i'm starting to get the hang of it and it gives better results with some care. Also now lowered the Make up level of the photo postprocess to 0 and it's now super fast to snap photos, i wasn't sure what Make up level was for, now I see that I can speed up the snapping by lowering it, and not too much difference in the resulting images.
Some, imho quite good close-ups. (Good light conditions but not too direct light on the first image, and the second one before sunset.) I'm pleased
So my verdict is: while focusing is not the greatest, you can adjust a few things to make taking pictures snappier and better (Make up level to 0, and cap ISO to 200 for normal day time photos, and vary with sharpness to your taste)
Thanks, will give it a try
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This is what I took last evening using the Snapchat app.
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Some more close ups. I'm still pleased with outdoors capturing. Not the best I've seen in average, but some images are really showing off the 20 Megapixel goodness.
Some HD video:
https://goo.gl/photos/5KnS6ZLk4ivjWJjWA
The camera performance at very low light is surprisingly poor, though increasing shutter speeds to about 1/2 second can give good results for inanimate objects. I've tried one in ultra low light, and wasn't unhappy with the results. Indoor photos aren't bad, try capping the iso to 200. Outdoor close ups and macros are BEAUTIFUL. The camera locks focus fast and very well. I guess over time the improvements that the M9 has got will make their way here as well.
NOTE: THE LAST-BUT-ONE IMAGE WAS TAKEN UNDER REALLY LOW LIGHT, SEE THE LAST IMAGE FOR THE BACKGROUND.
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I recently bought my M9+ and comparing it with my M8, here is my quick verdict (note that this is for AUTO MODE):
1. Better photos captured in daylight. Better coz it's of higher res but i prefer the "quality" of photos on my m8. M8 photos are more vivid, deeper contrast and sharper in AUTO mode.
The m9+ seems to have softer images and sometimes look dull.
2. Auto focus is about the same BUT the saving time is Soooo slowww on the m9+! Is it because the photos are larger? I dont know.
3. Shaky hands (even just a little bit) is a big NO if you use the m9+. What's happening HTC!? The m7 and m8 can handle minimum to moderate hand shakes but this!!!! @(%[email protected]$
This should've been mitigated if they have included OIS. I'm wondering who is doing all the decisions for their hardware.
4. Forget about lowlight unless you are a fan of using led flash. To be fair, the m9+ takes good photos with no flash bleed. I'm not sure why on some review websites, the photos tend to be overexposed. This is NOT the case in real life.
5. Video stabilization is not good at all. Well, everybody knows that by now. However, i don't think the m8 has GREAT video stabilizer. I also had moto X 2014 and xperia z3 compact and there is no way HTC can beat them in video.
However, the rear ultrapixel cam in the m8 is GREAT in lowlight. So what is left with the m9+. Lol.
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Selfie camera. Here is where the m9+ shines the most.
1. The front ultrapixel camera ie AWESOME. hands down on this. It beats the m8's front cam 100% of the time.
2. However, the field of view on the m9+ is narrower than the m8. I am a fan of grp shots and now some of my friends are getting cut of. We have to compress just so everyone can fit in. The m8 has a very wide angle lens.. even the galaxy s6. Dont get me wrong, the front cam of the m9+ is also wide but i expected it to be the same as the m8. Note that the m8 has THE widest front cam lens than any other phone out there.
Low light capture might improve, if the updates given to the M9 find their way to our phones as well. I personally am fine with the colors- this camera's colour reproduction is fine.
Capture and save time isn't long... in fact I was surprised by its speed. It may be because I shoot in 10:7 medium res.
I must add that shots in 10:7 are way better than those in 16:9 because the camera's native resolution is 10:7.
And yeah image stabilization on this phone sucks.
P.S : I don't seem to have focusing problems in most situations unlike the others out here. Focus is fast and clean.
Another shot I got:
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I took this last evening at dusk.
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The images you post guys look fantastic. Since using this new phone, I've gone back and compared photos with my old m7 gallery and OPO. I even compared to LG g3 photos with the fantastic laser focus. And that m7 or m8 is better might be true for some cases, like how snappy it worked on those m7s and m8s, but I'm just blown away by the color precision of m9+. In auto mode they look exactly like in real life, no over saturation, which I find a bad thing on cameras... on m7 I had all kinds of artifacts and auras in daylight photos if someone was in bright colored t shirts etc... in most conditions, except low light, it's my best Cam experience so far, and I had a few phones and compact cameras too. In low light with moving people on the scene photos, I use the flash and get over with it... it's a dream to have perfect no blur no artifact no noise images in dark. Even if ultrapixel is quite good to gather light, exceptional in that, in near dark it will have noise in the end. So end of the story: it's still one of the best cameras today, even if it could be better with laser focus (which is blazing fast and precise at following).
Who had speed issue, check Makeup level. If you cranked it up, it will be slow. And not much added value compared to just having it on zero by my experience
Last night I took this photo of the moon... it was possible only due to the manual mode. For clear moon photos, you need VERY high shutter speeds, at least 1/500th of a second. The moon was hazy due to cloud cover, and I feel that it impacted image quality. However the image isn't bad.
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Not at all bad, instead quite good. Wow
Hey guys! Having a problem focusing on a subject (i.e., not able focus at all)?
Simple: use manual focus(in the manual mode) instead! It works well, in my experience. This improves my opinion of this camera further! Please see attached pics.
Final lowdown: The camera is amazing in well lit conditions, decent in moderately lit conditions and poor in low lit conditions. But shoot in the camera's native 10:7 aspect (and I prefer "medium res" (16MP)).
PS : The grains on photos on the objects in lowly lit scenarios are probably due to a lossy compression algorithm, just as seen on the regular M9.
PPS : I tried to contact HTC about whether we'll get a raw camera update (which should technically reduce the low light problems that we face currently). They said that they wouldn't reveal any info about that topic. :banghead:
Edit to previous post: even the macro mode is good for close ups, which is usually when I have focusing problems.
The following the posts are in the order:
AUTO:
MACRO:
MANUAL :
I also forgot to mention, lower the sharpness to -1/-1.5 in low light and -0.5/-1 in good light as HTC's camera has loved over sharpening since a long time, including phones like the Desire. This is following the advice from the M9 thread, which works on this phone as well.
What else do I need for a cozy excursion and casual photos without and with HDR? Not much more, but exactly an HTC m9+ (not full resolution images this time, I'm away from PC)
Took these last last night and they all look good.
Sent from my HTC One M9+
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Huawei P30 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Hi everyone. Any camera improvements over Mate 20 Pro?
No sample photo here?
It's hard to find one even in youtube since all attention goes to the Pro version...
On my Channel you can find a review (but in german)
youtube.com/mobilejack
WarVic said:
Hi everyone. Any camera improvements over Mate 20 Pro?
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Hi. To be honest, camera improvements over Mate 20 Pro is minimal. I own this phone right now as well as Pixel 3 XL. Previously had Mate 20 Pro for 4 month. I expected much better and more consistent shots compared to Mate 20 Pro. But it is not the case here unfortunately. Hit and miss is still the proper description of camera experience. Sure the phone is able to produce really nice photos but heaps of crappy ones popping up too (over-, underexposed, overcontrasted, out of focus...). I wish that P30 would be better than Pixel 3 XL in camera department at least and I'd finally ditch the last one.
At the same time I'd recommend P30 (non-Pro) over Mate 20 Pro due to slightly better (warm) camera tone to my test, more comfortable size, much better fingerprint scanner, flat (!) screen, better speakers (even not stereo ones), headphone jack. Wireless charging can be added for extra $50 via quite nice official Huawei wireless charging case.
P30 Lite cam test
Selfie cam quality seems a bit iffy, says 32MP but more often than not I get a worse quality image than my 8MP selfie cam on the S9 gave, similarity the 40MP setting for the rear cam I can see no difference between 10MP and 40MP, I took a photo across the room of a label on a box, zoomed in on 10MP and 40MP and they were both exactly the same as each other in terms of quality and readability, only difference I see is you lose some options with 40MP such as zoom
Focus seems fairly bad too, it borders my face to say it knows my face is there but when I check the photo it has actually focussed on something behind me or my top or something other than my face, which is slightly OOF compared
In bright sunlight the 10MP rear cam takes great pics, low light is clever but not great quality, seems like Huawei spent too much of their time adding features and gimmicks than actually making sure everything basic worked properly first
That yellowish tint is horrible. When the light is a little bit worse it appears... What is intresting - on ultra wide mode it looks much more normally, no yellow tint, colors look more realistic. My HTC 10 from 2016 do much more realistic shots and the quality is much more stable on its camera. Have you the same look on your cameras?
And imo photos are very unstable, sometimes great, sometimes sucks, low sharpness, yellow tint, candy colors, dont like it. On selfie cam at least it looks very good for me.
I don't know what's wrong with your camera. I have a HTC U11 with GCam installed, (was my previous phone) and i like to compare very often the camera side by side and for daytime they look pretty similar, sometimes i prefer the P30, sometimes U11, but on low light, there's no contest, the P30 is way ahead, as it should be. And for the consistency, we have to accept that the lack of OIS means we have to be a little more careful when we take pictures.
Hey, thanks for answer. Dont know how about u11, but i found in my HTC 10 more softness image, in p30 looks a litttle bit grainy when you zoom photo you made. Have u seen that too? Yeah, in good light the same opinion : one time htc, one time p30. But when im in the building, room etc. p30 begins to give yellow shade. Maybe ill upload some shots later to compare.
In low light sometimes shots loks unreal lighty, but sometimes camera makes perfect job
I uploaded some shots :
First are the night shots : one the most realistic regulated manualy, one in auto, one in night mode - auto and night mode looks so unreal, dont like it.
Next in room : one in auto, one on ultra wide mode which gives much more realistic colors, on auto that yellowish tint.
And shots from work one on auto which gives yellow tints, and one on 3x tele which looks much more realistic (the tiles color) than auto.
Huawei made alot of intrested things, but they didnt paid enough attention and work on main camera in my opinion.
https://ibb.co/QJ2K294 - auto, turned light down manually
https://ibb.co/xYfS0hX - night mode (wtf?)
https://ibb.co/kMmw9WP - auto (wtf?)
https://ibb.co/fGWk39t - auto (wtf?)
https://ibb.co/xXTM5GX - zoom x3
https://ibb.co/pjnXSpN - auto (wtf?)
https://ibb.co/5hVx4k1 - wide-angle
This camera seems to take better shots in monochrome than colour
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Hello. Can anybody compare P20 PRO with P30 (not pro) in camera quality? I have had P20 Pro for a moment but "hit and miss" camera quality, especially for fast moving objects (children) forced me to sell it. Now I am thinking about P30 (not pro), but if it doesn't have OIS can I expect real any improvement in camera quality?
OIS or not you won't find much if any difference with either of those, they take too much time to process the photo once u press the shutter hence the hit or miss
This is odd. My three years old HTC U11 have IMHO better photo recurrence as P20 PRO (more hits nor miss). Also less images were blurred with U11 like with P20 PRO.
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Hello. Can anybody compare P20 PRO with P30 (not pro) in camera quality? I have had P20 Pro for a moment but "hit and miss" camera quality, especially for fast moving objects (children) forced me to sell it. Now I am thinking about P30 (not pro), but if it doesn't have OIS can I expect real any improvement in camera quality?
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Not so big difference in cameras !
OIS and EIS both both work together for better image processing!
P30 screen size is perfect for me !
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Like most of you I had much bigger expectation from P30 camera, but I am totally disappointed specially when found out cannot shoot in RAW, now I wish I went with my initial guts feeling and purchased the LG
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Like most of you I had much bigger expectation from P30 camera, but I am totally disappointed specially when found out cannot shoot in RAW, now I wish I went with my initial guts feeling and purchased the LG
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hyewiz said:
Like most of you I had much bigger expectation from P30 camera, but I am totally disappointed specially when found out cannot shoot in RAW, now I wish I went with my initial guts feeling and purchased the LG
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You can shoot RAW photos in PRO Mode only!
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INTRODUCTION
Hello all. As you might know, I received the OPPO Find X5 last week and did an unboxing and first impressions post which you can find here.
Ever since I've received the Find X5 my sim card has been in it and I've been using it as my daily phone.
It's been a couple of days and I think I've fairly used this device to give my thoughts and share with you all my detailed review on the device.
The subjects that I will be reviewing in detail are,
• Design
• Camera
• Software & Performance
• Battery & Charging
I will try my best to share an unbiased and detailed review of the device and in the end, will share a verdict. If you have any questions or doubts about the device, feel free to ask.
Now let's take a closer look and find whether the Find X5 lives up to its expectations.
DESIGN
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Starting my review with the design, this is probably the most interesting-looking phone design I've seen in a while.
I just love what OPPO has done with the colour and finish on the Find X5, especially the one in white with the black camera bump which gives it a very distinctive look.
The back of the device is glass, feels very smooth to the touch, and is very elegant & premium while holding. Since it's a matte finish, fingerprints and smudges are non-existent.
At the back, you find "OPPO | Hasselblad" branding, and since the device is an EU model you also get all the regulatory information.
I also really like the seamless slope design they've done around the camera bump.
The frame is aluminum however, if I had to nitpick, I would've loved it if the frame was black instead of shiny silver which attracts some fingerprints. Again that's only visible when you look for it at a certain angle.
It weighs 196 grams and does have a heft to it but the weight is well balanced. It isn't top-heavy, never felt that the device might accidentally fall from my hand.
At 6.55 inches in screen size, it is still decently large, but because it is quite narrow, the phone felt a little easier to use.
The button placements are done well and are placed at a reachable position.
Volume buttons to the left, power button to the right which has OPPO's signature green colour embedded inside. Buttons are very clicky and have good feedback.
Up top there's a microphone and below lies the Type-C port for charging and data transfer, a loudspeaker, another microphone, and a sim slot.
There's an IP54 rating for protection against dust. However, the sim tray does have a rubber ring. So the seals are present and should save it from occasional water splashes.
The sim slot does take in two sim cards. No SD card expansion, however, OPPO does offer the phone in a 256GB storage configuration, which should be more than enough storage for most.
The X-axis linear motor for the haptics is also quite good. The feedback is strong and during my test, I've never missed any calls or notifications.
The bezels surrounding the display are thin except for the bottom chin which is ever so slightly thicker compared to the top bezel.
The phone does come with a pre-applied screen protector which should last for a couple of months. Also, there's Gorilla Glass Victus used for display protection.
Moving to the display, it's a very good quality curved AMOLED display with a resolution of 2400×1080. The refresh rate is 120Hz with a touch sampling rate of 240Hz due to which scrolling felt quite smooth and never felt any lag during touch input. However, I wish the display panel was LTPO instead of regular 120Hz which can only drop down to 60Hz when the display is idle.
There's an in-display fingerprint sensor that is placed in a position where your thumb might naturally rest. Unlocking was pretty quick.
The display is 10-bit which means it can produce up to 1 billion colours. The default colour mode is set to Vivid however you can select other available colour modes that are Natural & Pro Mode to tune it as per your preference.
vivid, natural & pro-mode for display calibration.
The display gets bright enough with 500 nits of default peak brightness which can go up to 800 nits and boosts up to 1,000 nits while watching HDR content. Visibility is great under direct sunlight.
There's an earpiece up top which also doubles as a secondary speaker. The speakers are loud enough and I did not find any distortion at high volumes.
I'm impressed with the device, OPPO has done a great job with the overall design and build quality of the Find X5.
CAMERA
I was really curious to test out the cameras on the Find X5 since this is the first device to have OPPO's self-developed chip, the MariSilicon X for better image processing, and their partnership with Hasselblad for natural colour calibration.
MariSilicon X is built on 6nm process technology that helps capture 20bit Ultra HDR, 4K night video, real-time 20bit RAW processing, and many more.
The primary lens on the Find X5 is a 50MP shooter with a Sony IMX766 sensor. The aperture is f/1.8 and it does have Optical Image Stabilisation.
Interestingly, the ultra-wide angle lens is also the same 50MP Sony IMX766 camera. The aperture though is f/2.2 with a field of view of 110°
The third lens is a 13MP telephoto camera with an aperture of f/2.4 that has a 2x optical zoom.
The camera app is quite straightforward to use. You get the Hasselblad coloured orange shutter button and the modes can be arranged by pressing the edit button which can be found in the more section. OPPO has also incorporated Hasselblad’s iconic leaf shutter sound.
user interface of the camera app.
I did my camera testing under different conditions such as outdoors, indoors, and under low light, and here's what I have to say about the camera on the Find X5.
In case you don't want to read the whole review part and just want to check out the samples then click here.
Outdoor shots with the main camera are very good. Colour reproduction is quite natural looking and pictures have a good amount of contrast. The Find X5 handles dynamic range better most of the time and the pictures are well detailed.
pictures shot from the main camera.
The white balance is correct, never encountered any weird colour shifting.
Also, due to the sensor being large, the pictures have a natural depth to them even without using the portrait mode.
Pictures from the ultra-wide angle camera are also quite good. Being a 50MP camera and having the same IMX766 sensor as the main lens, the details, white balance, and contrast levels of shots were quite consistent and similar to the main lens.
pictures shot from the ultra-wide angle camera.
There are very minimal chromatic aberrations around the edges.
The phone can also shoot close-up macro shots. The camera switches itself to macro mode whenever you take the phone up close to the subject.
pictures shot with Macro mode.
The 2X telephoto camera is also quite close when it comes to white balance consistency. The details are good but not as good when compared with the main & ultra-wide. Also, I did wish that the telephoto camera had more zoom capabilities, maybe a 3X.
pictures shot from the Telephoto camera.
White Balance was mostly consistent between all the three lenses in the outdoor shots.
lens comparison - outdoor conditions.
Under indoor conditions, pictures from the main camera are bright and detailed with very less noise. Shots from the ultra-wide camera are also very good with very less noise and good detail levels. Pictures from the telephoto camera also did a good job and details are quite close compared to pictures from the other two lenses. The white balance between all the three lenses was quite similar.
lens comparison - indoor conditions.
The same goes with the low-light shots. The main camera takes good shots with plenty of light and very low noise levels. Pictures from the ultra-wide camera are also very impressive. It is as bright as the pictures from the main camera & the detail levels are similar. Pictures from the Telephoto camera are again good but compared to pictures from the other two lenses they are a bit soft and less detailed.
lens comparison - low-light conditions.Now I noticed that during low light conditions, the Telephoto Camera uses the Main Lens which is cropped to 2X instead of the actual Telephoto Lens.
Using the main camera during low light conditions is better since the aperture and resolution of the main camera is better than the aperture and resolution of the Telephoto Lens.
Here's a side-by-side comparison of pictures shot on Telephoto & Main Camera with 2X zoom. Zooming in you can see the keyboard is quite detailed in comparison with the picture shot on Telephoto.
The colours are also off on the picture shot from the Telephoto camera.
There's Pro Mode that lets you have full control over ISO, Shutter speed, White Balance, Focus, and Exposure Values.
You can use all three lenses in Pro mode and all three lenses support shooting in "RAW" format. However, I do not like the position of switching the lens which is at the top instead of keeping it at the bottom. The bottom instead has a 1x and a 2x zoom which is a crop from the main lens. I would've preferred the actual lens switching option at that place.
There's a new "RAW Plus" mode that captures more details & a better dynamic range than the standard RAW mode. I loved the RAW Plus mode. Having dynamic range already on a RAW picture means that the shadows and highlights are already worked upon meaning editing these pictures in Lightroom took minimal effort.
Here are some pictures shot in RAW format & edited with Lightroom.
pictures shot with Pro mode.One thing I do not like about the Pro Mode is that it does not remember your last used shooting format. The shooting format resets back to JPG after some time. This was very annoying as I have missed shooting in a RAW format a couple of times. Even if I did remember, it was still annoying to enable RAW format every time.
The front camera is a 32 Megapixel with an aperture of f/2.4. Now I'm not a selfie person but the pictures coming out from the front camera are good.
The Portrait mode worked great with animals and humans in daylight and also at nighttime. Edge detection was pretty good and skin tones were accurate.
There's a Long Exposure mode that you can use to capture motion shots not just at night but even during the daytime. Quite useful for those who do not know using Pro mode to shoot such motion shots.
OPPO has also introduced XPAN mode co-developed with Hasselblad which shoots panoramic images in two profiles, color mode, and a unique B&W mode.
shot with XPAN mode.
All the cameras can shoot up to 4K with 1080p & 720p as options at 30fps or 60fps. However, you cannot change the lenses while recording which is a bummer.
Video samples with max settings can be found here.
There's a dedicated Film mode that lets you shoot in a cinematic ratio and has options to manually set shutter speed, ISO, white balance, manual focus, and exposure values.
film mode feature.
The mode also supports shooting in LOG format. This is great for those Pro videographers who want to later color-grade the footage. The Film mode supports all three lenses.
Here's a sample footage shot on Film mode and color-graded.
Overall OPPO has done a great job with the camera on the Find X5 and I can definitely recommend someone looking for a phone with a very good Primary & Ultra-wide angle camera with a decent zoom range.
There are some software annoyances & limitations like the Pro mode switching back to JPG format & also not allowing to switch lenses while recording. These are software-related issues so I hope OPPO fixes them soon by pushing an update.
SOFTWARE & PERFORMANCE
OPPO has come a very long way when it comes to it's software. Over the years, OPPO has refined ColorOS with each version, making the user experience better.
Starting with the Android version, the Find X5 comes with Android 12 out of the box with OPPO's ColorOS 12.1 skin on top. ColorOS over the years has changed quite a lot. OPPO's objective with ColorOS 12 is to refine and simplify the whole UI making it cleaner and easier to use. All of its system apps have been updated to cleaner UI and are easier to use with one hand by placing important menus at the bottom.
There's a good amount of customisation option for the launcher that people will appreciate. From the option to change the icon shapes & sizes, grid layout, to the option to change transition while switching pages & more.
customisation for icon, grid layout & page transition.
OPPO also has introduced its own wallpaper-based theming similar to Google's theming which extracts colours from the wallpaper and applies them across the system and apps.
Unfortunately, OPPO's theming is only limited to the system settings, notification panel, and its own apps, Google apps do not adapt to the theme.
Edit: The device received an update with March security patch. The update now supports theming for Google apps. Good to see OPPO making the user experience better.
There are also tonnes of customisation options for Always-On Display where one can add custom patterns, text & images including system-provided clock & image options. Customisation also includes Font & display, Fingerprint animation, Edge lighting & more.
portrait silhouette feature.
There's a new Portrait silhouette feature that basically draws an outline around the face and lets you set it as the background of the always-on display.
ColorOS 12.1 also includes all of the Android 12 features such as quick settings toggle to turn off Camera & Mic access to all the apps, option to give an approximate location instead of a precise location, privacy dashboard for checking what permissions were being used by the apps.
OPPO has also worked on animations on ColorOS 12 which they call "Quantum Animation Engine 3.0" adding more lifelike & seamless transitions.
There's an Icon pull-down gesture that can be used by swiping up alongside the edge of the display to bring down the icons close to your thumb and select an app to launch.
icon pull-down gesture, flexible windows & smart sidebar.
Another feature I really liked is Flexible window which has the ability to turn any app into a floating window for quick multitasking. Smart Sidebar was another handy feature to quickly access functions and apps.
OPPO has done a great job in implementing haptics with the ColorOS. You can feel subtle vibrations across the system while dragging your finger or reaching the end of the page after scrolling. O-HAPTICS under settings lets you turn off system haptics, adjust the haptic intensity, and select a haptic style that has two options, Crisp and Gentle.
Talking about pre-installed apps, the phone did have a good amount of bloatware like Amazon, Facebook, and more. However, most of these can be easily uninstalled.
Another issue I want to address is that the folders do not adapt to the selected icon shape. This makes the home screen look a bit inconsistent.
folder shape does not change to a circle.
Performance was also quite solid even though it has the last year's chipset, Qualcomm Snapdragon 888. I did wish it had the latest 8 Gen 1 processor, though adding last year's Snapdragon 888 to cut costs without sacrificing performance makes sense after all Snapdragon 888 SOC is quite a capable chipset and can handle everything you throw at it.
During my usage, it performed exceptionally well. I did not face any stutters or major slowdowns. 8GB of RAM was sufficient for multitasking and keeping the apps running in the background. If 8GB of RAM isn't sufficient then one can expand the RAM through the RAM expansion feature which utilizes the phone's storage space.
With a 120Hz refresh rate and 240Hz touch sampling rate the phone felt quite smooth to use and apps and games opened very quickly.
I don't really play games on my phone but I did install some games like BGMI & Asphalt 8 to test out its peak performance and it ran those games quite well with high graphic settings. The phone did get a little warm after running the games for about an hour but did not get abnormally hot.
Software experience has been mostly positive with the Find X5. Even though not having the latest 8 Gen 1 processor, the performance of the phone was pretty solid.
BATTERY & CHARGING
The battery size on Find X5 is a pretty respectable 4,800 mAh split between two cells allowing it to charge at a very high speed.
In terms of charging the Find X5, the device supports 80 Watt SUPERVOOC wired charging which charges the device instantly. The device also supports AirVOOC wireless charging at 30 Watts & Reverse Wireless Charging at 10 Watts.
Unfortunately, I couldn't test AirVOOC wireless charging as I did not have the wireless charger with me. However, Reverse Wireless Charging worked quite well with my OnePlus Buds Pro.
I did test the wired charging speed and the phone charged to 50% in about 15 mins & 100% in just about 40 minutes which is quite impressive. The device did not heat abnormally while charging the device at such high speeds.
I also briefly tested the battery life and in my moderate usage, I was getting somewhere around 7-8 hours of screen on time. Under heavy use expect the screen on time to be around 5 to 6 hours.
battery life with heavy and moderate usage.
My usage generally includes apps like YouTube, Instagram, WhatsApp, Telegram, Twitter, and Reddit, taking a lot of pictures, and editing pictures in Lightroom.
There's Power saving mode which is nothing but Battery Saver mode. You can enable it manually or set it to enable automatically based on specified battery levels from 5% to 75%.
Power saving mode also includes options to control screen brightness, screen time-out, background sync, and screen refresh rate.
There's also a High performance mode under battery settings which increases device performance. I did not feel any need to enable it since the performance was quite good even without this mode being enabled. Other features include standby optimisation and optimised night time charging for preserving battery health.
Overall I would say OPPO has done a great job in terms of Battery and Charging department.
VERDICT
The Find X5 is a solid flagship with a little compromise.
Even though having last year's Snapdragon 888, performance will be more than adequate for the majority of users. The software did impress me more than I expected it to be. There are some minor software issues that can be easily fixed via a software update. The display & build quality is great, the charging speed is more than adequate, and battery life is also great. The overall camera performance is great, except for the decent zoom range.
And that's all I have to say about the OPPO Find X5. If you have any questions, feel free to ask and I'd be glad to answer them.
I'd like to thank the @OPPO Ambassador Team again for giving me the opportunity to review OPPO Find X5!
Looking forward to what OPPO brings to the table next year with the Find X6!