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Not happy with Android

Android has a long road to catch with iOS4 - im very depressed with the lack of quality control in the Android OS - it sucks - I guess it teaches Google that going from web devolpment to other plataforms is not that easy.
The App Store doesn't have any sort of quality control or centralized payment system.
There isn't a way to remove your Google ID from your phone.
I'm very unhappy with my phone - Iphone is much better. So many cool apps that will never appear on the Android thanks to Google incompetence

What were you expecting?
Everything is different, if you wanted an iPhone, you should buy an iPhone, not expect a different product to be exactly the same.
This has nothing to do with the X10 though. Is there an "Android" forum on here, not for any particular phone, but for the OS itself?
(Edit: Google Checkout seems pretty "centralized" to me... dunno what you mean about that.)

dr.doug said:
Android has a long road to catch with iOS4 - im very depressed with the lack of quality control in the Android OS - it sucks - I guess it teaches Google that going from web devolpment to other plataforms is not that easy.
The App Store doesn't have any sort of quality control or centralized payment system.
There isn't a way to remove your Google ID from your phone.
I'm very unhappy with my phone - Iphone is much better. So many cool apps that will never appear on the Android thanks to Google incompetence
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Try this
go to settings....
go to Applications...
go to Manage applications...
Scroll down till you find “Google Apps” click on it...
Simply hit the "Clear data"....
ALL YOU CONTACTS AND EVERYTHING GOOGLE RELATED WILL BE GONE
Now navigate back to the main settings window and go to Online service accounts...Google should be free for your new account inputs.

dr.doug said:
Android has a long road to catch with iOS4 - im very depressed with the lack of quality control in the Android OS - it sucks - I guess it teaches Google that going from web devolpment to other plataforms is not that easy.
The App Store doesn't have any sort of quality control or centralized payment system.
There isn't a way to remove your Google ID from your phone.
I'm very unhappy with my phone - Iphone is much better. So many cool apps that will never appear on the Android thanks to Google incompetence
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Lol.. get ready to be flamed. You just proved you are a jerk by comparing google platform with iOS4...lol.. omg ppl .. dont even know what they are talking about

This guy has to be a troll. Don't give him any more enjoyment from this thread. Mods please close this thread. Thx in advance.
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not a troll at all - just plain unhappy with the quality of the whole package - and I'm sure we all agree there is a long road ahead - I was expecting much more from my cellphone.
Yeah - I believe in complaining - I want more and better and I expect much more from Google.

Rockjock007 said:
Try this
go to settings....
go to Applications...
go to Manage applications...
Scroll down till you find “Google Apps” click on it...
Simply hit the "Clear data"....
ALL YOU CONTACTS AND EVERYTHING GOOGLE RELATED WILL BE GONE
Now navigate back to the main settings window and go to Online service accounts...Google should be free for your new account inputs.
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Thanks for the tip : )

iead1 said:
What were you expecting?
Everything is different, if you wanted an iPhone, you should buy an iPhone, not expect a different product to be exactly the same.
This has nothing to do with the X10 though. Is there an "Android" forum on here, not for any particular phone, but for the OS itself?
(Edit: Google Checkout seems pretty "centralized" to me... dunno what you mean about that.)
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Yes - I'm married to a X10 - in the good times and in bad, in sickness and in health. Amen

dr.doug said:
not a troll at all - just plain unhappy with the quality of the whole package - and I'm sure we all agree there is a long road ahead - I was expecting much more from my cellphone.
Yeah - I believe in complaining - I want more and better and I expect much more from Google.
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You mean "smartphone" not cellphone? Looks like its outsmarted you sir!

bazzatron said:
You mean "smartphone" not cellphone? Looks like its outsmarted you sir!
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indeed sir

dr.doug said:
not a troll at all - just plain unhappy with the quality of the whole package - and I'm sure we all agree there is a long road ahead - I was expecting much more from my cellphone.
Yeah - I believe in complaining - I want more and better and I expect much more from Google.
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Wow slow down man, a long road for iOS yes, Android is far far far better then iOS. My wife owns an iphone 4 and every time i pick it up to play with it i just feel sorry for it (swipe left, swipe right ) beleive me man Android is for MEN real MEN iphone is for people that have no computer orientation whatsoever it just works and thats it. For me i really cant beleive how much behind iOS is, you cant do anything on it! I dont know wich world you live in but please explain how is android behind? explain man.. Seriously i dont mean to be rude or anything but sometimes when i hear something like that i want to smack myself in the head because i cant beleive there is people stupid enough to claim that kind of thing... iOS is like you bought a house that you cant furnish the way you want, you cant decorate it the way you want, you cant repaint it, you cant do **** with it except open the fridge and eat whatever is in it weather you like it or not, or you want a softer bed but you cant change it, you want a different couch? guess what you cant change it....anything you want to change or have your way you cant! you can only use it however you bought it .... i hope you get the point. Android keeps amazing me everyday more and more of how you can change anything you want! And modify your phone in so many ways, i have a different look every week . its just ridiculous the amount if customization you can do. Seriously and to have all that with an good looking phone with great hardware, fast and reliable is just plain amazing. So whats up with that "quality of the whole package" what do you mean? i think you are really confused , are you?Cause i am. So please explain yourself..

dr.doug said:
Yes - I'm married to a X10 - in the good times and in bad, in sickness and in health. Amen
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Honestly, I do not think Apple is better than Android. They're simply too different ios. Theirs things that Apples os does better and theirs things that Android ios does better. Think about it. You probably say you prefer Apple over Android because you don't have froyo 2.2 on your phone yet. Android is amazing in my opinion. Full web content via adobe flash 10.1 (iphone cannot do every website in flash), you can not change the ui like Android, free turn by turn voice navigation, the ability to do something as simple as make phone calls and not have them drop because you do not have a case on your phone. Not one android phone needs a case to make a phone call. Apple is just now offering multitask, Android has been doing this since day one! One of the reasons why most people think iphone is the best is because of Apples marketing. Apple is smart when it comes to marketing. They only sold 3 different models (correct me if I'm wrong). 3g, 3gs and 4g and they all look similar so almost all accessories can be used through them all, they have millions of accessories. They have "i"everything. idock, ialarm, i etc. They are very smart! iphone isn't a bad phone but I do not think Android sucks compared to Apple like you make it sound. If you like iphone so bad then sell your phone or trade it for an iphone. Thanks for letting me vent.
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Rockjock007 said:
Try this
go to settings....
go to Applications...
go to Manage applications...
Scroll down till you find “Google Apps” click on it...
Simply hit the "Clear data"....
ALL YOU CONTACTS AND EVERYTHING GOOGLE RELATED WILL BE GONE
Now navigate back to the main settings window and go to Online service accounts...Google should be free for your new account inputs.
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I lol'd to this

To the OP. You are honestly the first person ive ever heard say this. Most people are blown away by Android, especially considering how new it is. Most will agree it is more robust and more powerful and has much much more potential than iOS.

lol indeed

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OP When you buy a phone, smart or otherwise, you should have a look at the operating as the OS and it app support and layout are the selling points to any phone. you should have enquired into how apps are paid for before you paid the money for the phone.
If YOU forgot to check if the things that were important to YOU ar present in OS then its really your fault not googles
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Stop winging on the forums that's not what they're for

[Q] What is your opinion?

What's going on? To let you know, I am 25 years old and trying to rationalize my decision. Maybe you can help...
Got my Epic 2 days ago. Horrible battery life and ect... tried all the fixins without root due to a 'could be' voided warranty.
I don't want a phone that I have to hack to get it to work 'right'. That isn't the way to do things.
I am to much of an idiot to figure out how to root, delete bloatware, and etc... How am I supposed to figure this stuff out with people telling you that your a 'noob' and 'search' for it...
I might as well return the Epic and get a 'dumb' phone that does the basic phone call and text...
What do you think?

Return it and get a htc phone. I had the epic for 3 days, and really liked some of it, but really hated even more of it. Plus they fight too damn much here in the epic section.
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These new smartphones don't get anywhere close to the battery life of old non-smart phones. I could get up to a week on my old feature phone, but a day to maybe two (when we get 2.2) is about what you can expect if you tweak a few things. Get used to plugging in your phone every night, all the power these phones have comes at a price. Plus I'm sure you're playing with your phone a lot right now since you just got it .
If you're getting bad battery life when the screen is off go into Settings>About Phone>Battery Use>Cell Standby and see what the "Time without signal says". If it's 50% or more then you have the bug, it's a common Android bug for phones without Froyo. Just toggle airplane mode on for a few seconds after you reboot your phone and it should go away.
The GPS is kind of fussy at the moment, the Epic has a problem with clearing old data out of the cache and so it has a hard time picking up satellites. There's a few workarounds to this like going into the GPS menu and changing how it starts up (personally it didn't work for me), rebooting the phone always works, but if you use the GPS a lot then it works fine. For me it worked about 70% of the time until I rooted and installed a program to clear the phone's cache every few hours, now it works 100%.
Don't be intimidated by rooting either, it's really easy now with all the good One Click setups. I did it on my Mac and it took no more then 10 minutes, unrooting is just as easy. I honestly wouldn't worry about voiding the warranty, until you get into flashing roms/kernals you won't be messing anything up if you want to root to get rid of bloatware etc.
Sprint's other phones like the Evo are nice too, but the Evo has it's own set of problems. Personally I love my SAMOLED screen and we should be getting Froyo soon.

I've only had mine for about a week or so now and I really like it. I've discovered that particularly hungry apps will kill the battery in a hurry!
other than that, this being my first smartphone I've kinda been under the assumption that if you want to carry around a powerful computer in your pocket, you're going to have to make the trade off that it will burn a lot of battery when you use it. Especially since I'm still in the "open it up every few minutes just to be amazed at the amoled screen" phase where my display is consistently the #1 battery killer by a LONG shot..
so I'd say you should give it a chance but if you don't need or want a smart phone then don't drive yourself crazy with one and get a feature phone that can text and call if that's all you really need.

Toast95135 said:
These new smartphones don't get anywhere close to the battery life of old non-smart phones.
Don't be intimidated by rooting either, it's really easy now with all the good One Click setups. I did it on my Mac and it took no more then 10 minutes, unrooting is just as easy. I honestly wouldn't worry about voiding the warranty, until you get into flashing roms/kernals you won't be messing anything up if you want to root to get rid of bloatware etc.
Sprint's other phones like the Evo are nice too, but the Evo has it's own set of problems. Personally I love my SAMOLED screen and we should be getting Froyo soon.
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Thanks for the reply. I wouldn't mind rooting the phone and have seen it done on youtube. That shouldn't be too hard. But how would I go about getting all the extra crap on there off? Does this alone improve battery life? If not, what do I delete?
Is waiting for 2.2 really going to be God sent for our phones? And will 2.2 erase all my hard work rooting it?
Thank You for your time... It means alot.

Try this... go into the "Account & sync" settings by pressing the menu button> settings> account & sync. then uncheck "auto-sync" that should increase battery, if that didn't increase battery enough for you uncheck background data as well. finally if your still not satisfied re-enable "background data" by checking it again and go to the android market and download 'QUICK SETTINGS" by Sergej Shafarenaka open it press the hardware menu button> customize and drag "Mobile data" (not the one that says APN) into "Visible settings" that way whenever you open "quick settings" you can toggle 3g on and off. with 3g off you can still text and receive and make phone calls and your battery will last over 2 days without charging. hope this help I have never rooted my epic btw.
For example this is how I have mines set up.
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And only because I don't feel like trying to produce evidence of 2+ days with my phone due to the fact that I actually like using all of the fun battery killing apps that run in the background because I have a spare battery anyway.. the only time I really ever try to maximize my battery life (and no this does NOT mean by not using my phone, because trust me i'm the perfect example of that windows phone ad im always in my phone! and i never let it die without a spare lol) is on the weekends I when I party all day & night, or some sort of rare special occasion where I know I'm not going to see a outlet for a long time.
anyway heres a example of whats possible by doing the last things i suggested (despite the fact whoever screen captured this achieved it a different way) basically disable internet whenever your not using it. just goes to show there are many ways to maximize your battery. this is just one of the ways I do it... and I feel this is highly effective.
These smartphones needs a one click "energy saver mode" that just does all the tweaks for you, basically turning your "smartphone" into a "dumbphone" lol because I honestly have little doubt this phone would last nearly a weak if it did.

curving_edge said:
What's going on? To let you know, I am 25 years old and trying to rationalize my decision. Maybe you can help...
Got my Epic 2 days ago. Horrible battery life and ect... tried all the fixins without root due to a 'could be' voided warranty.
I don't want a phone that I have to hack to get it to work 'right'. That isn't the way to do things.
I am to much of an idiot to figure out how to root, delete bloatware, and etc... How am I supposed to figure this stuff out with people telling you that your a 'noob' and 'search' for it...
I might as well return the Epic and get a 'dumb' phone that does the basic phone call and text...
What do you think?
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Get a dumb phone the battery will last you a week! oh and you can make and receive calls from it. My vote

There are so many threads on here where people tell you exactly how to get amazing battery life out of your phone. It must be a defunct battery because I cannot comprehend how anyone could be having problems with their battery after the number of times its been answered on this forum alone.
Disable DRM
toggle airplane mode
wifi never sleep
juicedefender + ultimate juice
Easily 20-24 hours of battery life for medium use.

If u want batt life get a dumb phone. If u want geautures get a smartphone. I can't live without a smartphone bc I use it like a computer to stay connected all day when I'm away from home. If u feel u don't really need all the feutures get a dumb phone.
Sent from my Epic 4G

Thank You for your replies thus far. I am pleased to inform you that I went back to the sprint store and got a brand new replacement. New battery and everything.
I have followed all of your directions as well. I will post soon and let you know how everything is.
I have alot of confidence in the epic but wish the battery wasn't giving me a epic headache!
Wish me luck, I owe you guys alot of respect. Will keep you posted...

curving_edge said:
I might as well return the Epic and get a 'dumb' phone that does the basic phone call and text...
What do you think?
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Sounds like you're not smartphone friendly. Many people I know are not. But luckily there's a large and varied assortment of devices to choose from. Get a phone that makes phone calls, and maybe messages well, and be happy.

I have had the phone off the charger since yesterday at 11pm and it is now 2 pm eastern time today. Looks great and promising. I will follow up on the research. I also have seen 'how to' root the epic on youtube. Thats easy, just working on how to get the bloatware off and other items to tweak...
-Curv

I have no idea how people get more than a day out of their phones, no matter the model. Every phone I've ever owned ranging from dumb, quick messeging and smart, I've had to charge every night. Its been like this for 6+ years for me.
Getting more than a day out of a phone is unrealistic to me.
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When I first got my phone it took me awhile to learn the basics on how to root and what not, hence the fact it was my first android device (other then the evo, which I didnt root or anything) Root is easy and once you do that you can flash different ROM's/Kernel's to help improve your battery life. I enjoy flashing to new things and once android 2.2 comes out there will be bigger and better things in stored for us.
Now what I didnt realize when I first tried to root my phone was to download SDK manager? It took me the longest time to root, I followed every direction I found which a lot of them never stated to download SDK because they assumed we knew. If you really want to have fun and root your phone then here is what I suggest.
1. Search Google for "SDK Android" click the first link to download it. (may take up to 30+ mins to download everything)
2. Read the Wiki in the Epic Android Development Section. Learn what rooting does to your phone. It also explains how to root your device.
That's how I rooted my phone, now changing ROM's/Kernels is another thing but that too is VERY easy. If you need help I will be willing to help you, I too am and noob and speak NOOB language lol.

sryans2004 said:
When I first got my phone it took me awhile to learn the basics on how to root and what not, hence the fact it was my first android device (other then the evo, which I didnt root or anything) Root is easy and once you do that you can flash different ROM's/Kernel's to help improve your battery life. I enjoy flashing to new things and once android 2.2 comes out there will be bigger and better things in stored for us.
Now what I didnt realize when I first tried to root my phone was to download SDK manager? It took me the longest time to root, I followed every direction I found which a lot of them never stated to download SDK because they assumed we knew. If you really want to have fun and root your phone then here is what I suggest.
1. Search Google for "SDK Android" click the first link to download it. (may take up to 30+ mins to download everything)
2. Read the Wiki in the Epic Android Development Section. Learn what rooting does to your phone. It also explains how to root your device.
That's how I rooted my phone, now changing ROM's/Kernels is another thing but that too is VERY easy. If you need help I will be willing to help you, I too am and noob and speak NOOB language lol.
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Hey sry... Thanks for the hand up on this situation. Should I wait till 2.2 or maybe try a root now? I might as well do it now and get familiar with it...
Pm me if you like, I will try the root this weekend. Thanks alot!

If you care about battery life and want a smartphone, Blackberries are the way to go. Just don't expect anywhere near the features, customizability, or power of Android. Also, don't expect anywhere nearly as good hardware.
Everything is a compromise. I imagine though that you if hold out on the Epic, the Epic equal of this, an EVO extended battery will come out.

My old flip phone has worse battery life than my Moment

[POLL] CM9: Worth it?

Alright, so in the last few days I've been complementing whether or not I should give cm9 another try (I tried it on alpha0, but too buggy). I'm aware of the bugs such as "The ringing of death" and others. Most of you are probably wondering "Why don't I just flash it now and see for myself?" While I am considering that, I'm not one that likes to flash things since it takes me time to get everything set up the way I wanted. I figured this way I'd save some trouble and also give others the chance to see whether or not the majority of users here enjoy it.
I've broken it down into reasons why I do and don't want to flash it.
Reasons why I do:
New apps compatible with ICS
The latest android version (along with its features)
Makes my phone feel new
Reasons why I don't:
Battery life (I just need it to last the day)
Video Playback artifacts (how frequent is this?)
Less features than CM7
So I made a poll to see whether or not I should go through with it, and to help those that are complementing the same thing.
Edit: Just realized in the poll I put "No" for the last answer. Meant to put "Neither" lol.

Honestly this poll is kind of a bash to the devs that put so much time and effort to bringing cm9 to our phone so yes its worth it.

jbadboy2007 said:
Honestly this poll is kind of a bash to the devs that put so much time and effort to bringing cm9 to our phone so yes its worth it.
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Sorry if that's what it appears, but that wasn't my intention. CM9 is great, I respect the devs, and I can't wait to see its potential. I'm just not sure whether I want to flash it only because of issues ICS (not cm9) has. For example, battery life. Battery life on ICS in general is bad, but my question in that aspect is "HOW bad?". I've seen many mixed results with some awful battery life, some decent, etc. I just want to save people the trouble, and myself, of having to flash a ROM they're not sure is right for them just yet.

*Contemplating
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|| Acer || said:
Sorry if that's what it appears, but that wasn't my intention. CM9 is great, I respect the devs, and I can't wait to see its potential. I'm just not sure whether I want to flash it only because of issues ICS (not cm9) has. For example, battery life. Battery life on ICS in general is bad, but my question in that aspect is "HOW bad?". I've seen many mixed results with some awful battery life, some decent, etc. I just want to save people the trouble, and myself, of having to flash a ROM they're not sure is right for them just yet.
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I know where you coming from but you need to remember its an alpha and everything isn't suppose to be fully functional yet although most things are. Consider it more like public bug testing. I need full functionality for business everyday so honestly I know not to try these builds during the week when I expect my phones features to be fully operational.

jbadboy2007 said:
I know where you coming from but you need to remember its an alpha and everything isn't suppose to be fully functional yet although most things are. Consider it more like public bug testing. I need full functionality for business everyday so honestly I know not to try these builds during the week when I expect my phones features to be fully operational.
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I know and I'm completely aware of what you're saying. I know it's an alpha, and I know there are bugs. I'm just wondering if the majority of users think I should use the alpha as a daily driver or just wait. That's really the issue. Whether I should just wait or not.

Video playback tearing and artifacts in recording can be a pain sometimes. I've noticed in youtube there's barely any tearing in HQ but the same can't be said for the built in video player (even HD videos tear). Call quality has improved with the recent changes but is still far from perfect. Battery life (for me anyway) has been just fine. I hardly ever get the "ring of death" but I've found it's not difficult or impossible to work around without having to reboot. Features are still missing but that will come as cm itself updates for cm9. Peformance and stability (again for me anyway) has been just fine and it seems to handle 3D graphics better than any rom I've ever used. Overall I've been able to deal with it being my daily driver and just waiting for updates. Of course I'm going to hope for certain things to come in due time but I'm overall more satisfied with cm9 than I was with cm7. If there's anything else specific you wanted to know that I didn't cover, ask.
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Vizzo said:
Video playback tearing and artifacts in recording can be a pain sometimes. I've noticed in youtube there's barely any tearing in HQ but the same can't be said for the built in video player (even HD videos tear). Call quality has improved with the recent changes but is still far from perfect. Battery life (for me anyway) has been just fine. I hardly ever get the "ring of death" but I've found it's not difficult or impossible to work around without having to reboot. Features are still missing but that will come as cm itself updates for cm9. Peformance and stability (again for me anyway) has been just fine and it seems to handle 3D graphics better than any rom I've ever used. Overall I've been able to deal with it being my daily driver and just waiting for updates. Of course I'm going to hope for certain things to come in due time but I'm overall more satisfied with cm9 than I was with cm7. If there's anything else specific you wanted to know that I didn't cover, ask.
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Thanks this is exactly the kind of response I was looking for. I rarely use video recording so that's not an issue for me. The biggest thing was the battery life and I think I've decided to wait until alpha4, because I'll definitely flash when the "Ring of Death" is fixed. I make quite a lot of calls, and even though people rarely get it, I'd rather not have to deal with that. Once again, thanks for your response.
Just a question since I'm curious: What CM features have been implemented so far in CM9?

Pssh if you use an alternative kernel and uv like a son of a ...then battery life is decent, I usually pulled 8 hours with 3 hours of display and 2 hours of music note the screen time on was heavy it would be on 20 or 30 minutes at a time.....
On my 3500 I get 6 and a half display and 13 hours overall.. I did 22 hours with just 6 flat.
Just do it I have cm7 miui and tw nandroids and haven't gone back because I love this ROM so much, there are some tips to get things rolling and so forth... so be prepared to make modifications.
Id be happy to let you know how I have my phone setup to my liking and hopefully make this transition easy for ya
Sent From My SPH-D700 Running Android 4.0 :sly:

Worth it....with a proviso about batt life

Biggoron said:
Pssh if you use an alternative kernel and uv like a son of a ...then battery life is decent, I usually pulled 8 hours with 3 hours of display and 2 hours of music note the screen time on was heavy it would be on 20 or 30 minutes at a time.....
On my 3500 I get 6 and a half display and 13 hours overall.. I did 22 hours with just 6 flat.
Just do it I have cm7 miui and tw nandroids and haven't gone back because I love this ROM so much, there are some tips to get things rolling and so forth... so be prepared to make modifications.
Id be happy to let you know how I have my phone setup to my liking and hopefully make this transition easy for ya
Sent From My SPH-D700 Running Android 4.0 :sly:
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Thanks so much. I guess I'll do it over the weekend (Don't wanna get TOO distracted when I have homework haha). On a normal day, I just keep my phone on airplane mode during school, listen to music for about 2 hours, and then use my phone for half an hour before putting it on its charger when I get home. That usually brings it down to 60-70% depending on what I'm doing. If you have any battery tips, I'd be glad to hear some. (Other than the obvious ones, like lower brightness and stuff). Lastly, what is the "Ring of Death" exactly like? If I were on the phone with someone, would it be so annoying that they would be distracted by it? Just curious.
Edit: Forgot to mention...is restoring apps (and their data) via TB okay to do? I read in the blog that it's not recommended and to have a fresh start, but there's a few games and other apps where I would like to keep my data.

I have used it as a daily rom since alpha 0. On completely stock CM9 and i get 10-15 hours on a OEM battery. I have been blessed and haven't had any video issues ( i take a lot of videos of my 8 month old daughter).
Def. Not up to par with CM7 but with features and battery life but it's only in alpha. I enjoy seeing and appreciating the changes when updates come out. Also saying my Epic has ICS and yours doesn't is fun lol. My co-workers are begging me to completely redo their Epic. (never will happen, none of then know what the term root or odin mean).
Honestly my suggestion flash CM9 with stock kernel and see if you can make it a week or 2. If you can't then see if a 3rd party kernel will please your needs. Then after that if you feel you can't stand the interesting bugs then take the time and go back to CM7.
Sent from my CM9 Epic 4G.

|| Acer || said:
Thanks so much. I guess I'll do it over the weekend (Don't wanna get TOO distracted when I have homework haha). On a normal day, I just keep my phone on airplane mode during school, listen to music for about 2 hours, and then use my phone for half an hour before putting it on its charger when I get home. That usually brings it down to 60-70% depending on what I'm doing. If you have any battery tips, I'd be glad to hear some. (Other than the obvious ones, like lower brightness and stuff). Lastly, what is the "Ring of Death" exactly like? If I were on the phone with someone, would it be so annoying that they would be distracted by it? Just curious.
Edit: Forgot to mention...is restoring apps (and their data) via TB okay to do? I read in the blog that it's not recommended and to have a fresh start, but there's a few games and other apps where I would like to keep my data.
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Honestly, I have never had the "Ring of Death". I haven't had really any bugs on mine. This, in my opinion, is the most stable alpha rom I've ran.
And yes TB works fine. That's how I restore apps w/ data.
Sent from my Cyanogenmodded Epic4g! Wanna fight about it?

|| Acer || said:
Thanks so much. I guess I'll do it over the weekend (Don't wanna get TOO distracted when I have homework haha). On a normal day, I just keep my phone on airplane mode during school, listen to music for about 2 hours, and then use my phone for half an hour before putting it on its charger when I get home. That usually brings it down to 60-70% depending on what I'm doing. If you have any battery tips, I'd be glad to hear some. (Other than the obvious ones, like lower brightness and stuff). Lastly, what is the "Ring of Death" exactly like? If I were on the phone with someone, would it be so annoying that they would be distracted by it? Just curious.
Edit: Forgot to mention...is restoring apps (and their data) via TB okay to do? I read in the blog that it's not recommended and to have a fresh start, but there's a few games and other apps where I would like to keep my data.
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Id start just turning off data that will save you a lot and you'll still be able to snext -sneak texting ftw
Don't use any third party apps for "battery saving" they don't work properly and drain more than anything. Keep your running processes low I only have settings and the keyboard running normally when you pull up running processes. Don't sync email manual push for notifications.
Use the dalvik heap tweaks to keep ram available and less battery use, disable touch sounds and lock sounds to keep from audio out from wakelocking. Forgot to mention my screen wasn't at the lowest % it was at least 30 or 40%.
Sent From My SPH-D700 Running Android 4.0 :sly:

seanknighton said:
And yes TB works fine. That's how I restore apps w/ data.
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Ya it works....BUT the CM team is not recommending it right now if you wish to avoid random issues.
http://epiccm.blogspot.com/p/cm9-install-guide.html

backup ur rom and go for it. battry life on cm7 is not that muchbetter, imho. u could always tweak the settings or even use samurai kernel, and undervolt to maximize battery life. there is also numerous governors with thatand the stock kernel ghat u can playwith. its truly an awesome build. these devs have done some truly amazing work. if ur not convinced, restore ur backup

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Thanks this is exactly the kind of response I was looking for. I rarely use video recording so that's not an issue for me. The biggest thing was the battery life and I think I've decided to wait until alpha4, because I'll definitely flash when the "Ring of Death" is fixed. I make quite a lot of calls, and even though people rarely get it, I'd rather not have to deal with that.
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http://code.google.com/p/epiccm/issues/detail?id=33
Please test the build here and report back.

RyleyinSTL said:
Ya it works....BUT the CM team is not recommending it right now if you wish to avoid random issues.
http://epiccm.blogspot.com/p/cm9-install-guide.html
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Yeah. I've never had any issues, but that is me personally. I don't do a lot of tweaking once I flash the rom
Sent from my Cyanogenmodded Epic4g! Wanna fight about it?

Ha this thread/poll does not bash devs. They work on CM9 for themselves, the prestige and the challenge of doing it too. They'd just use this as motivation. This is a good question. Anyways - I'm on cm9 now and am enjoying it more than I expected too. Battery life does not seem to last as long but I still get through the day. alpha3 seemed to work out some of the more annoying bugs (for me), like fixing the speakerphone.
Honestly, I'd make a backup in clockwork and then flash. Worst that happens you restore the backup.
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Luv my note BUT things I hate (compared to iphone)

Luv the screen pen etc.
But samsung upgrade policy is archaic to say the least. I'm still waiting nearly a month since the german version has been released. At least give us the dates ...and what excuse could there be mines unlocked.and I dont really want to root it and lose the warranty.how come apple can update millions more in a single day ..come on samsung
Kies software is a joke up to five hours to back up and then it doesn't restore ( on the web thousands of people have the same problem.
Why can't I back up my phole phone inc memry card easily and fast.
Still not found a soft app for a keybourd as good as the iphone re spell check etc.
Just my thoughts I would luv another brand with the pen etc.
It seems samsung looks after new customers only.
Just my thoughts
I have no loyaty to samsung
Sent from my GT-N7000 using XDA

magichoward said:
Luv the screen pen etc.
But samsung upgrade policy is archaic to say the least. I'm still waiting nearly a month since the german version has been released. At least give us the dates ...and what excuse could there be mines unlocked.and I dont really want to root it and lose the warranty.how come apple can update millions more in a single day ..come on samsung
Kies software is a joke up to five hours to back up and then it doesn't restore ( on the web thousands of people have the same problem.
Why can't I back up my phole phone inc memry card easily and fast.
Still not found a soft app for a keybourd as good as the iphone re spell check etc.
Just my thoughts I would luv another brand with the pen etc.
It seems samsung looks after new customers only.
Just my thoughts
I have no loyaty to samsung
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Sounds like you shoulda stuck with the iphone, I don't see what benefits you would have coming over to android if you're not prepared to root and try ROMs, yes samsung is a joke, but I can honestly say I have never regretted leaving iOS for android once.........except when the phone hangs during A PHONE CALL!!!! you know the thing it was actually made for - making and receiving phone calls, Not a regular occurrence I must admit but quite an ironic defect of many new ROMs I've tried in the past, LOL

magichoward said:
Luv the screen pen etc.
But samsung upgrade policy is archaic to say the least. I'm still waiting nearly a month since the german version has been released. At least give us the dates ...and what excuse could there be mines unlocked.and I dont really want to root it and lose the warranty.how come apple can update millions more in a single day ..come on samsung
Kies software is a joke up to five hours to back up and then it doesn't restore ( on the web thousands of people have the same problem.
Why can't I back up my phole phone inc memry card easily and fast.
Still not found a soft app for a keybourd as good as the iphone re spell check etc.
Just my thoughts I would luv another brand with the pen etc.
It seems samsung looks after new customers only.
Just my thoughts
I have no loyaty to samsung
Sent from my GT-N7000 using XDA
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Plug your phone into a computer like you are used to and get your update.
Apple can update in a day because there are very few models.
Boot into recovery to back up to phone.
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You don't need to be rooted to use PC Odin to install the latest official ROM.
There are great keyboards out there...instead of just one on the iPhone. Look at Thumb Keyboard or Swiftkey. There is even an iPhone keyboard...gasp.
And since you don't want to root (you can unroot for warranty purposes and Samsung is none the wiser....) checkout MyBackup Pro in the market.

Samsung - a joke as a company?!?! Do us a favor and never, ever buy a Motorola phone. If you are going ballistic over a Galaxy, you'll kill yourself with a Droid...

you can just copy all the files from your sd to your computer very very very easily using a usb cable, have you never used a computer before? Or alternatively download dropbox and use that to back up your phone. Little bit of research about how android works might actually benefit you. About the updates, if you wanna get all the amazing features of android compared to iphone, you'll have to put up with the update schedules, but updates don't really matter on android you still have more functions that ios.

Wow ... cool it guys. OP is simply used to the apple way of doing things. Give him some time to explore the wonderful world of Android iam sure he'll start to love it.
OP please google a bit or check the play store you will find the solutions for all your complaints.
Edit
I just checked your other posts, almost all of it is about Samsung not updating the note to ics.
Why do you want the stock ics so badly ?
Do you honestly believe that ics will solve all your problems magically?
Believe me stock ics is a can of worms that is better left unopened . (personal opinion pls don't flame me guys )
but If you are so desperate please flash any custom roms which suits your needs, I recommend paranoid

Just to add, since i got my note i have had to firmware updates. One to 2.3.6 and then the 4.0.3 update. This is since April. Now you tell me of any iphone that has had 2 updates in that timeframe. (including major updates like ics )....
And apple can update easier as in total there are only 5 phone's ,of which only a couple of model get the update. Think his many different droids there are!
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magichoward said:
a keybourd as good as the iphone re spell check etc.
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Please tell me you're having a laugh.... Have you never been on http://www.damnyouautocorrect.com/ ?

i wanted new set of icons....with flashy colours...i just installed a ROM....and my friend has an iphone and he wanted to change the icons too....o]h wait...you can only change WALLPAPERS in that... thats AWESOME

ACTUALLY I have the Note and I have never rooted. I don't find it necessary. I have an application called Folder Sync, and what it does is it backs up my files every night (especially camera files, but you can set it up to your entire SD card) to Dropbox or SugarSync, it has a lot of options for providers. The benefit is that you don't manually need to connect to a computer or anything. You will always have your files synced up. I even have it so when I delete a file off of the server or my computer, it'll be reflected as well on the phone. I hated having to have to connect my phone to my computer every time I wanted to update a folder, sync something, or download something. Every night my phone waits until 4AM, plugged in and has wifi on to sync my 32 gig SD card with its content.
As for the keyboard, it might take you some time to, you know, actually get used to a normal keyboard. Apple had good autocorrect. But I'd rather take the more accurate typing space on the Note over the iPhone's smart predictive text. Apart from that, I have AutoText Replacements which means I can type ty and thank you will come out. I have "putmail" and my mailing address comes out. This is really helpful, and it can't be done on the iPhone, but yes on Android. Try Ultra Keyboard, that's what I use. Tons of themes, settings and it's fairly intuitive.
There are a lot of benefits to Android. If you're just angry about ICS not out yet in your region, I'm sorry, but many times it doesn't only depend on Samsung. It depends also on the carriers, which most bend over backwards for Apple only because they're what's hot and hip right now.
I'd say that if you're easily frustrated, stick to iOS. If you like to tinker a little, stay with Android. The possibilities are endless with apps and configurations.
Once again, I don't root because I think Android is open enough the way it is. You can download an original rom and install it without voiding your warranty, using PC Odin.
Foldersync link
Ultra Keyboard link

This is as close as Im getting to a rotten Apple
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zkyevolved said:
Every night my phone waits until 4AM, plugged in and has wifi on to sync my 32 gig SD card with its content.
Once again, I don't root because I think Android is open enough the way it is. You can download an original rom and install it without voiding your warranty, using PC Odin.
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This won't give you full peace of mind compare to Rooted.
Agree, If you are noob then should avoid from custom things and playing of different mods.
There is nothing wrong to have rooted Note with rest of completely stock.
Here are some must reason to root (for me)
- Backup you are creating is just additional data, you can get it again once you have application installed on device. And this data is having rare chance to get delete. even you format(hard reset) this data still survives. Only thing which is better to have is backup of Camera (DCMI folder) which you can't get(here folder sync really need). But i do save it on ext memory card, so in case of anything goe wrong still it will escape.
Now if you are rooted, then you can schedule your backup tottaly different way. Like my system stuff backup will start three days of weeks at 4AM, which backup my contacts, SMSs or watever sytem data.
And rest of three days it backup all newer installed application + data (here you will get app + setting, after restoring even you don't need to enter credential, OR won't lose levels you have completed in games)
- What I need is google Maps, In my country still google don't providing me navigation (just direction), but with moded Map I can get it. And yes root is needed for that.
-Remove lots of bloatware from stock system
-Stoping unnecessary auto starting application on boot.
Reagarding warranty, anytime you can just flash stock ROM with PC Odin and your root will erase and you get warranty back

Help me to FINALLY start using my Z3C after 10 weeks of fear!

I bought my Z3C 10 weeks ago and still haven't used it other than turning it on for a few minutes etc. I charged it for the first time yesterday and am now ready to start! I had been waiting in the hope that CM11/12 would come to it, but I think it's time to forget about that happening and just start using it.
I'm pretty ignorant of all tech things so would really appreciate any help in being able to achieve the following with it:
Rooted
Free of bloatware
updateable OTA
simple android launcher
all the while without losing quality of camera etc..
I've been suggested just using google now launcher and disabling apps and I've been suggested XPOSED and I've been suggested AOSP and I'm a little confused as to what to go for. I see FXP just posted this: http://fxpblog.co/releases/aosp-lollipop-release-from-fxp-just-in-time-for-christmas/
But I'm not even too sure if that meets my criteria?
It's a phone used 99% for business and once I set it up once, I want that to be it and don't want to be reinstalling ROMS etc. I'd like whatever I do now, to last me until I get rid of the phone in maybe 2 years time as I can't have any downtime (which is why I've chosen the Christmas holidays to migrate from my current phone to the Z3C too )
If anyone could please please advise I'd really appreciate it and you'd be greatly helping me!

Why root it at all?
There's hardly any bloat, and what there is van be disabled.
Adblock plus works for both 3g and wifi almost as well as a adaway.
Install Nova launcher and you are done.

cormie said:
I bought my Z3C 10 weeks ago and still haven't used it other than turning it on for a few minutes etc. I charged it for the first time yesterday and am now ready to start! I had been waiting in the hope that CM11/12 would come to it, but I think it's time to forget about that happening and just start using it.
I'm pretty ignorant of all tech things so would really appreciate any help in being able to achieve the following with it:
Rooted
Free of bloatware
updateable OTA
simple android launcher
all the while without losing quality of camera etc..
I've been suggested just using google now launcher and disabling apps and I've been suggested XPOSED and I've been suggested AOSP and I'm a little confused as to what to go for. I see FXP just posted this: http://fxpblog.co/releases/aosp-lollipop-release-from-fxp-just-in-time-for-christmas/
But I'm not even too sure if that meets my criteria?
It's a phone used 99% for business and once I set it up once, I want that to be it and don't want to be reinstalling ROMS etc. I'd like whatever I do now, to last me until I get rid of the phone in maybe 2 years time as I can't have any downtime (which is why I've chosen the Christmas holidays to migrate from my current phone to the Z3C too )
If anyone could please please advise I'd really appreciate it and you'd be greatly helping me!
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Its impossible to root without losing camera quality. Why would you even want to? Its a stable clean rom they have on there and the extra's baked in are only useful. Just delete all the crap apps, possible with my T-Mobile version (Netherlands) and just keep some of the sony stuff. The walkman app is my default music player since it supports folder playing.
Seriously just use the phone its a quality product.

Thanks a lot for the replies folks, really appreciate it, especially Christmas morning
The reason I wanted to root, is just to have it open for anything that might need root access in the coming 2 years or so of use. I think there's a few apps I have on my Motorolla RAZR-I XT890 (phone I've been using for the last 1.5/2 years) which need root access:
AdAway (if adblock plus does the same job then that should be fine, but I listen to music a lot on youtube and don't want ads there if possible)
Auto Ring (I THINK this needs root access, it's an app that lets you white list certain numbers/contacts so that if your phone is on silent, it still rings - pretty important for me)
InCall Recorder (again I THINK it needs root, it can record calls internally, not using the microphone like most of these apps do - actually, it's never worked properly on my Razr-I, but I'd like to have it there)
Root Explorer (think it needs root, I use this to disable apps, replace default launcher etc, maybe it's not necessary anymore?)
I'm happy to replace all the above but I also use:
CERBERUS - This needs Root access to be hidden from the app drawer, I'm not sure if it needs it for other functions too, but this is very important.
I've a very specific list of apps I use for my phone, k9 mail, dialer one, jorte calendar and widgetsoid, I'm sure these will all still work fine and if the camera will instantly lose quality and ability on a root, I'd prefer to avoid it if possible?
One important thing to note by the way... Before I've had to hire an android expert to set my phone up for me to root it, install a rom etc. I don't like to mess around with things I'm not familiar with and prefer to pay someone who is guaranteed to do it right, rather than researching for hours how to do it, so I'd be looking for the same this time if I'm going down the root route, but if that's not necessary, that could be even easier!

Cerberus doesn't need root to be hidden!
Sent from my iPhone 5S

Oh really? So maybe I'd actually get away without rooting so? What are the main reasons to root so?

cormie said:
Oh really? So maybe I'd actually get away without rooting so? What are the main reasons to root so?
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Honestly, despite feeling like I needed to root my previous N4, I haven't found the need to root this phone. In terms of what I want, there's really nothing pressing that outweighs the loss of camera functionality, etc. In fact, there were a bunch of things that I expected would need root that actually didn't.
The back button on PieControl works with accessibility and doesn't actually need root any more, which was my major worry. My airplane mode and GPS Power Toggles don't work, but those are easily accessible in the editable Quick Settings dropdown. Cerberus is hidden from the app drawer, though it isn't installed as a system app. My Tasker stuff that deals with music toggle pause/next/back works if I use the shell command to input keyevents (despite all documentation saying that should only work with a rooted phone). The computer app lets you do backups and restores, so you don't need nandroid backups, and Titanium Backup is not as big a deal for me, despite its utility for rolling back app upgrades. There is some stuff Secure Settings can't do, like turn the pattern lock on or off, but that's probably the only one I care about, and once L rolls in a month or so, I think that should be taken care of.

Thanks a lot for the comprehensive reply. If there was one place I thought I'd be getting people telling me I should root and do this and that to the phone, XDA would be it, given the responses so far, I guess I'm better off just leaving well alone then? It's good that cerberus is hidden from the app drawer, but you just reminded me of the more important root required install to system app ability. I guess as long as my phone doesn't fall into the hands of a professional phone thief who can clear cerberus with ease, I might be ok though?
Everything else I'll hopefully get by with too, but I'd really prefer youtube without ads!
So given that I might just leave well alone and start using it... How can I just start fresh now? Maybe a factory reset (even though I haven't used the phone)... but what should be the first things I should install to allow me disable/remove all the bloatware and replace the home launcher etc? If anyone could give even a mini step by step it would be amazing!

There's hardly any bloatware. I suggest you use the phone as it is. Just install all the updates from update center and go on using. I'm sure you'll find the Sony launcher better than most other launchers. It grows on you
Sent from my Compact Beast The Third.

You really don't need to root this phone, the softwares are well written as not buggy, most apps these days world's well without much tweaking.
This is my first phony airport any urges to root.

Thanks again everyone!
I'm not sure I mentioned, or if it emulates from my posts, but I'm quite particular about the way I have it set up hence wanting to remove pretty much any app I don't use, I've been using ZEAM launcher for about 4 years on my current phone and previous. It hasn't been updated in about 2 years now, but as long as I can have the following I'll be ok:
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I think I'm probably overthinking all this and just need to start using it

I'm pretty new here, and I do have a z3 compact, but how did you root it? I'd like to mod some games and they require rooting to do so thats my reasoning.

RyukuZ said:
I'm pretty new here, and I do have a z3 compact, but how did you root it? I'd like to mod some games and they require rooting to do so thats my reasoning.
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Right now rooting involves unlocking bootloader. There is no root method for locked bootloader

What would be the best way to disable/delete/replace apps I wonder and how do you know what's safe to disable and what's not? Is it just a case of disabling everything or can you delete apps too? Anything else I should be aware of before I start the migrate?

cormie said:
What would be the best way to disable/delete/replace apps I wonder and how do you know what's safe to disable and what's not? Is it just a case of disabling everything or can you delete apps too? Anything else I should be aware of before I start the migrate?
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You may try using the Search option in the XDA forum. All your questions have been already answered days or weeks ago

BarajaVLC said:
You may try using the Search option in the XDA forum. All your questions have been already answered days or weeks ago
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I'm so afraid though :angel: hehehe

cormie said:
I'm so afraid though :angel: hehehe
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I also hqve the razr I and looking to get a new upgrade as razr has become so slow
How does z3 compact compare, spec wise and physically as I found razr was perfect size

mickeystar said:
I also hqve the razr I and looking to get a new upgrade as razr has become so slow
How does z3 compact compare, spec wise and physically as I found razr was perfect size
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It's meant to be a lot better, I haven't started using it, but size wise it's pretty much the same, you won't notice a difference using it or in your pocket lets say.
My razr has been slow too, but I think I'm just putting it through too much but other than that it's been a great phone.
I need a phone that can handle multi intensive apps running at the same time, maps, phone, music etc. I wouldn't think you'd be disappointed.

cormie said:
It's meant to be a lot better, I haven't started using it, but size wise it's pretty much the same, you won't notice a difference using it or in your pocket lets say.
My razr has been slow too, but I think I'm just putting it through too much but other than that it's been a great phone.
I need a phone that can handle multi intensive apps running at the same time, maps, phone, music etc. I wouldn't think you'd be disappointed.
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razr has become very temperamental
i have found chrome to be incredibly slow and not even bothered with the latest few updates, music app stops randomly in general lots of lag. can no longer be bothered to wait for the 4.4 update
Looks like ill be switching to the z3 compact

cormie said:
I bought my Z3C 10 weeks ago and still haven't used it other than turning it on for a few minutes etc. I charged it for the first time yesterday and am now ready to start! I had been waiting in the hope that CM11/12 would come to it, but I think it's time to forget about that happening and just start using it.
I'm pretty ignorant of all tech things so would really appreciate any help in being able to achieve the following with it:
Rooted
Free of bloatware
updateable OTA
simple android launcher
all the while without losing quality of camera etc..
I've been suggested just using google now launcher and disabling apps and I've been suggested XPOSED and I've been suggested AOSP and I'm a little confused as to what to go for. I see FXP just posted this: http://fxpblog.co/releases/aosp-lollipop-release-from-fxp-just-in-time-for-christmas/
But I'm not even too sure if that meets my criteria?
It's a phone used 99% for business and once I set it up once, I want that to be it and don't want to be reinstalling ROMS etc. I'd like whatever I do now, to last me until I get rid of the phone in maybe 2 years time as I can't have any downtime (which is why I've chosen the Christmas holidays to migrate from my current phone to the Z3C too )
If anyone could please please advise I'd really appreciate it and you'd be greatly helping me!
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Don't root, disable bloat where you can. Google now launcher on this phone is great!
May I also recommend the ringke fusion clear case.