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I bought a $21 dictionary from Hallmark, for my BlackBerry. When I upgraded, the dictionary stopped working on my Blackberry. It was somehow deactivated. They won't transfer the purchase to Android. In the end, I ended up with nothing. I feel cheated. This is theft because I lost the dictionary I bought. They are giving me silly excuses. My phone number is the same, my email address is the same, the credit card number is the same. The won't do it.
Sometimes I understand why some software companies are
attacked by software pirates.
So when you buy software, it's like you are really renting it for the time you keep the same device.
That's why iPhone, the Apple store, and iTunes work great, and beat the customer service of any other company. this would have never happened with their online app store.
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From: Handmark Inc [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 10:09
Subject: FW: BlackBerry App World™ - Order Confirmation (Order #8525898114) [Incident: 100703-000219]
FW: BlackBerry App World™ - Order Confirmation (Order #8525898114)
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Response (Matt L.) 07/04/2010 09:09 AM
Hello,
Since this purchase was made through the Blackberry App World we would not be able to exchange the purchase out for your Android device. The reason for this is that App World orders do not register on through Handmark. We do not have access to refund or credit these purchases as they are not register through us. We apologize for any inconvenience. If you have any further questions please let us know.
Thanks,
Customer (Rob M.) 07/03/2010 02:41 PM
Hello,
I bought this software 4 months ago, but since then I upgraded my BlackBerry to an Android. I still have the same cell phone number, and the company (Sprint) is the same. When customers upgrade, do we lose our previous software?, or is it possible to credit the previous software purchase towards the purchase of the equivalent dictionary for the Android?
Thank you very much,
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You changed platforms. What did you expect? You should have factored this into your purchasing decision. As someone already said, if you go from Mac to Windows, you think BestBuy is going to give you free copies of everything you already own?
No. No. No.
The previously bought software should still be working on my Blackberry.
When you buy an additional computer, you end up with TWO computers. And you can always use the old software on your old computer.
I cannot use my old software on my Blackberry because the old software was disabled.
If they won't transfer to another platform, at least they should not disable the application I paid for from the old device and leave me with nothing.
Disabling the software you previously bought from your old device is not normal. I have friends with old iPhones, and most of the applications they bought still work even after the cell was disconnected. (they needed to jailbreak it at a retailer. Here in NY usually Indian or Chinese retailers will do it for you.)
They use it as an iPod touch.
I cannot use my Blackberry as an "BB iPod touch."
Sadly this happens in this forum every day. People that come from Blackberry or Windows Mobile feel like they need to have their apps back. But I had an iPhone and spent more than 130 bucks on apps. And you don't see me complaining. Its obvious that you wont get your money back or your app.
**** paid for apps
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Actually hallmark is right
If you bought office for Windows does that entitle you to get office for MAC
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Fixter said:
Sadly this happens in this forum every day. People that come from Blackberry or Windows Mobile feel like they need to have their apps back. But I had an iPhone and spent more than 130 bucks on apps. And you don't see me complaining. Its obvious that you wont get your money back or your app.
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I don't know how's the customer service in Puerto Rico, but here, customer service usually would keep the client happy.
If you have apps in your iPhone, you can still use them. In my case, the application was deactivated from my Blackberry. So more than a purchase, I feel like I just borrowed it from them for two months.
If your apps in your iPhone stopped working, you need to jailbreak it, or take it to a small cell retailer, they will free the software for you, so you can use it as an iPod touch.
From google market, you own the app. It moves with your login, to what ever android phone you're on. Just log into market and there they are. The free apps on the other hand you need to track their names, to reload. But hey, "not going to look a gift horse in the mouth", or they are much appreciated.
kwajr said:
Actually hallmark is right
If you bought office for Windows does that entitle you to get office for MAC
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Nope. This is not a valid comparison.
The thing is that when you purchase another computer, you can still use the old computer for your application. In my case, the software I bought was disabled. This doesn't happen when you get a Mac, the software still works on your Windows computer, correct?
At least, they should have kept the software running on my BlackBerry.
baiatul said:
That's why iPhone, the Apple store, and iTunes work great, and beat the customer service of any other company. this would have never happened with their online app store.
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oh yeah? try and buy an app in the android market and then get it for free in the app store. its not going to happen, just like kwajr said. when you buy software you buy it for the platform youre on, not for the license fee across platforms. ive purchased at bat twice this year for this exact reason
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I don't know how's the customer service in Puerto Rico, but here, customer service usually would keep the client happy.
If you have apps in your iPhone, you can still use them. In my case, the application was deactivated from my Blackberry. So more than a purchase, I feel like I just borrowed it from them for two months.
If your apps in your iPhone stopped working, you need to jailbreak it, or take it to a small cell retailer, they will free the software for you, so you can use it as an iPod touch.
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You changed platforms. What did you expect? You should have factored this into your purchasing decision. As someone already said, if you go from Mac to Windows, you think BestBuy is going to give you free copies of everything you already own?
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I don't know how's the customer service in Puerto Rico, but here, customer service usually would keep the client happy.
If you have apps in your iPhone, you can still use them. In my case, the application was deactivated from my Blackberry. So more than a purchase, I feel like I just borrowed it from them for two months.
If your apps in your iPhone stopped working, you need to jailbreak it, or take it to a small cell retailer, they will free the software for you, so you can use it as an iPod touch.
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They didn't stopped working. I just switched to Android. Do you actually have the brains to say they need to transfer them over to android? And you can actually use your Apps in your iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch with just one purchase.
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Nope. This is not a valid comparison.
The thing is that when you purchase another computer, you can still use the old computer for your application. In my case, the software I bought was disabled. This doesn't happen when you get a Mac, the software still works on your Windows computer, correct?
At least, they should have kept the software running on my BlackBerry.
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When you get another Blackberry you can still use it.
But if you brought a new MAC instead of pc would u be able to use your Windows versions of office in mac without running a vm
So its a valid point
Sent from my Evo on on the Now network from Sprint
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Wait a minute-
Maybe I read your OP too quickly. I have not had a blackberry in 10 years. How did they disable software on your phone? Not doubting your statement, but that just seems odd. Were other purchased or free apps on your old BB disabled?
kwajr said:
But if you brought a new MAC instead of pc would u be able to use your Windows versions of office in mac without running a vm
So its a valid point
Sent from my Evo on on the Now network from Sprint
oh and duck Apple
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Exactly.
You know people just never seem to amaze me.
GumboChief said:
You changed platforms. What did you expect? You should have factored this into your purchasing decision. As someone already said, if you go from Mac to Windows, you think BestBuy is going to give you free copies of everything you already own?
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No. No. No.
The previously bought software should still be working on my Blackberry.
When you buy an additional computer, you end up with TWO computers. And you can always use the old software on your old computer.
I cannot use my old software on my Blackberry because the old software was disabled.
If they won't transfer to another platform, at least they should not disable the application I paid for from the old device and leave me with nothing.
Disabling the software you previously bought from your old device is not normal. I have friends with old iPhones, and most of the applications they bought still work even after the cell was disconnected. (they needed to jailbreak it at a retailed.)
They use it as an iPod touch.
I cannot use my Blackberry as an "BB iPod touch."
I've never heard of any software being disabled. I know I have plenty of paid apps on my old BB 8830 and I can still use them even after porting my number to my Evo. Maybe its something you did.
baiatul said:
No. No. No.
The previously bought software should still be working on my Blackberry.
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What does this has to do with Android again?
Sent telepathically via my Evo.
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I've changed platforms before and a "nice email" explaining the situation could have made things simple for you. Its like some of the members here said in other words you purchased an app for xbox live and then you wanted to use your game on playstation network.
W ihat did when I was in that situation the first thing I though about was barganing. So I emailed the company saying that i purchased a program/app/software and I switched devices running a different OS. I explained nicely (politely) that I purchased that serial/key/registration/or license and if it can't be transferred to the new device (ussually keys/licenses can be tranfered trough platforms because you own that key/license) if it can't be transfered I sugested if the company can offered a key/license or register it on my new device at a fraction of the cost........my 30 dollar app cost only 5 dollars on the new device after I emailed them with the problem.
In conclusion you should understand that you own that app but its for a different OS, but you could have offered them to allow u to buy the app at a discount for the new platform
I have 5 applications I paid for on my old Blackberry. The thing is, I just checked them, and apart from the Hallmark application, they still work. It's a dictionary, and the database is on the SD card.
I have 2 other dictionaries, and they still work.
I don't think it's right of Hallmark to put a padlock on their application once the phone is disconnected, if the rest of the vendors didn't do it.
When you buy a new computer, you can still use the software on your old computer.
I see then its a missunderstanding between you and the company. An email saying that your version is not working properly can fix it. I don't think that app requires you to be on a 2year contract or u will be charged a $200 cancelation fee
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Figured I would throw this out there.
Does anyone know if the tap and pay feature works on the note 4?
Yeah I know you can use softcard but I would rather give Google the business cause I didn't like how the providers wouldn't let Google wallet work unless hacked. Plus like the fact you can just use any credit card or debit card and not have to deal with selective cards and or American express.
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I've been wondering the same thing.
delcopa said:
Figured I would throw this out there.
Does anyone know if the tap and pay feature works on the note 4?
Yeah I know you can use softcard but I would rather give Google the business cause I didn't like how the providers wouldn't let Google wallet work unless hacked. Plus like the fact you can just use any credit card or debit card and not have to deal with selective cards and or American express.
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Google Wallet is all but dead. It's not the carrier's fault. It's because Google's in the advertising business and wanted to track financial transaction data that the card issuers felt was too invasive. Softcard has a very good chance of succeeding because: A) the sponsoring carrier's want it to, B) they play nice with the financial industry, and C) thanks to Apple, NFC is suddenly the "answer" to electronic payments.
An article on Google Wallet's failure...
To understand why Google Wallet has not taken off, I talked to some of my contacts in the major banks and they explained that it came down to Google's business model. When Google approached the banks and asked them to support Google Wallet, it explained that part of their support meant that they would also feed data back to Google on what people bought and other personal data that Google could use to serve targeted ads. Besides privacy issues, the banks were not thrilled about being forced into a position to feed all types of shopping data back to Google just so Google could make money on ads. Consequently, most banks were not willing to play the middleman and in most cases would not fully support Google Wallet.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2469362,00.asp
When Google/Android were younger they were seen as the underdog against Apple, Microsoft, and Blackberry in the mobile space. Now that they're mature, their thirst for revenue growth is beginning to expose the fact that users of their products and tools are nothing more than data sources with that data being sold to the highest bidder. Google's no longer cute, folksy, or an underdog. They and Facebook are probably two of the largest collectors of personal data being used to generate profit. I love Android the product. Its owners, their behavior, their business model, and lack of transparency not so much.
Softcard is nice & works fine, other than the fact that every banking & credit card I own is incompatible with it & has to be routed through AmEx's Serve card, which doesn't give me the opportunity to choose my method of payment/funding on the fly like I can with Google Wallet. If they would fix that, I'd have no problem using them.
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Softcard is nice & works fine, other than the fact that every banking & credit card I own is incompatible with it & has to be routed through AmEx's Serve card, which doesn't give me the opportunity to choose my method of payment/funding on the fly like I can with Google Wallet. If they would fix that, I'd have no problem using them.
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Financial institutions taking electronic payments seriously is kind of "chicken and egg." Do they invest tons of money in infrastructure hoping that "if they build it they will come" or, instead of being an early adopter, choose to be a "strong follower" once those that went first do the heavy lifting and prove the opportunity? Apple's embracing of electronic payments and NFC has changed the game. You'll see merchants and financial institutions falling all over themselves now to get on the electronic payment bandwagon. We, NFC-equipped Android users, will see the benefit even though Google Wallet itself may not.
I know the tap and pay is working on my son's S5. Still hoping for it on the note 4. My other soon has it on his htc also. So I know it isn't dead working on 2 newer phones after the note 3.
@barry that's what I like about it you have a choice to use pretty much ANY card or bank where softcard your extremely limited.
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I know the tap and pay is working on my son's S5. Still hoping for it on the note 4. My other soon has it on his htc also. So I know it isn't dead working on 2 newer phones after the note 3.
@barry that's what I like about it you have a choice to use pretty much ANY card or bank where softcard your extremely limited.
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When I said "dead" I was referring to its future not its current state. Strategically, the financial industry has better options (for them) that don't require feeding customer data back to Google. All Google's initiatives tie back to supporting their advertising driven revenue model. With their customer data collection objective stone walled what reason do they have to get in to electronic payments? The establishment's embracing of Apple Pay comes from their non-intrusive and non-competitive model and that anything they pay in transaction fees to Apple is offset by a reduction in fraud pay-outs. Why do you think Apple Pay's been so well received (B2B) and Google was stone walled? Outside of Isis/Softcard which is blessed by the financial industry because it's non-disruptive, the only other payment initiative with any heft going on is CurrentC ( http://www.nfcworld.com/2014/09/03/...-payments-venture-mcx-unveils-currentc-brand/ ). It's merchant-driven ($3 trillion in revenue generated by its sponsors) with their goal being to blow-up the financial payment status-quo to lower their fees.
So who's going to succeed?
Apple's "God" and has made nice with the financial industry, doesn't hurt merchants, reduces fraud, and delivers a high-value demographic in massive quantities (10M Apple Pay capable devices were sold in three days).
Softcard which is financial industry friendly, open to any credit card issuer to join, and is sponsored by the wireless carriers which control end-user access.
CurrentC which is merchant driven and who, at the end of the day, are more important to credit card issuers than credit card issuers are to them.
Google Wallet which was launched to gather even more relevant customer behavioral data to sell to advertisers and was never embraced by either the financial industry, the wireless carriers, or merchants.
PayPal's mobile strategy seems a mess. I downloaded their app on my phone and Gear and still couldn't figure out how or why I'd want to use it.
Samsung Wallet is the biggest cluster of a piece of s/w I've ever seen. Its been updated a half-dozen times and its UI/UX is still a mess and unless there was a huge incentive I can't imagine using it for anything. I see it going the way of Samsung Music, Video, and Books eventually.
So it's a three horse race in the U.S. - Apple Pay, Softcard, and CurrentC. None will be exclusive and will probably come to co-exist just as Visa, Mastercard, Amex, and Discover co-exist as card issuers. At the end of the day no one will intentionally stand in the way of a customer sale and none of this is important enough to make a customer use or avoid a specific merchant based on their specific acceptance or rejection of one form of electronic payment or another. The next few years should be fun; especially when every payment terminal in the U.S. is being replaced to support chip-and-pen and will probably all be NFC equipped to be future proof. That'll particularly help Softcard which can rapidly build up an audience which, along with Apple's validation of NFC, should attract card issuers and financial institutions that may have been on the fence. It all comes down to who own/controls the audience and infrastructure. Google and Samsung own neither. PayPal has some infrastructure but its non-parallel.
I would never rule anyone out in the tech field. Things change too quickly just ask blackberry they were the only thing business used. Then MS and apple cane into play for phones. When Google did they were the so called ugly step child. Now blackberry and MS are hurting majorly in the phone business and now there are more android phones worldwide then anyone.
But still doesn't mean anything cause the next great idea could come from an unknown company tomorrow.
I also seem to remember the note when it came out. They also all said it's too big, it's ugly, no one would want it. Even apple busted on it and now, who has the last laugh cause everyone is making the phones bigger just like the note.
I didn't want a debate or opinions cause guess what everyone has one. My only question was WILL TAP AND PLAY WORK WITH THE NOTE 4. Which you still haven't answered. And would you please not high jack my thread unless you can actually answer the question which is why this thread was created.
I can create another thread for a debate on electronic wallets of you would like.
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Just used google wallet tap and pay on my new Att note4 at grocery store.
I have used tap and pay twice, both times it was very quick.
Just open Google Wallet, input your pin, and touch to the NFC, should work fine.
I used it at a Whataburger and a Walgreens.
This was the official link to purchase the developer edition, gone??
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SM-N910VMKEVZW
Yeah it has been down for about a week or so. Looks like the end for them new from Samsung. Shame because I checked the stock on them the day before it was pulled and they still had over 80 of them.
Note Edge DevEd is gone too.
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Just when I finally decide to buy the developer edition it disappears from their site. It's getting harder and harder to find newer devices on Verizon that can be rooted and has external storage/removable battery.
Are they going to offer a Note 5 DE?
Get a unlocked phone off of tmobile and you can have removable back battery and sd card and you can put a verizon chip and root.
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Confirmed by Samsung - no more developer note 4's for sale. off the website about a week ago.
good news though. there will be Galaxy S6 Developer Editions, this year, and there will be a Note 5 developer edition (next year)
rob
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Confirmed by Samsung - no more developer note 4's for sale. off the website about a week ago.
good news though. there will be Galaxy S6 Developer Editions, this year, and there will be a Note 5 developer edition (next year)
rob
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Unfortunately, a non replaceable battery is a deal breaker for me.[emoji20]
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Unfortunately, a non replaceable battery is a deal breaker for me.[emoji20]
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I was thinking the same thing. Especially if they go with an even smaller battery then what the N4 has, like rumors state.
I haven't been using the spare battery for mine. Just to see if it would be a total inconvenience or not. Hasn't really been at all. Though they never decide to die until it is a major inconvenience haha.
Well, I have to get my Note 4 reflashed back to developer. It's being sent to texas on tuesday. I wasn't thinking, and duked my device with the latest update from Samsung / Verizon. not a good idea, stuck in retail land. I am also planning to get a new screen put in as the one I have has some severe burn-in.
btw - if you are near contract's end, consider this (I am). Don't opt to renew your plan for a new two year agreement just to get a new phone. Verizon, if your plan is expired, will drop your rate 24.99 to keep you. either keep your existing phone, or, pay full retail for your next one.
I know, if you buy a Note 5 (or S6) and want gob loads of memory you pay big bucks. You could also purchase a S5 Developer off of Samsung's site for 599.00 and get the luxury of a new phone plus developer, plus removable battery, plus additional storage.
just a few thoughts your way.
There's this too. Verizon Will Drop Phone Contracts, End Discounted Phones
Yup. No more contracts or contract pricing as of this coming Tuesday. Only options for phone purchase from VZW will be EDGE or full price. If you want a subsidized phone price point, get to the store tomorrow (although it doesn't seem like ANYONE wants more contract... lol)
And, the retail note 4, discontinued...
Sadly the development has never been great for the DE. Lack of root for the retail version has killed an otherwise amazing phone for tinkerers and Nandroiders.
If I am wrong let me know and I'll try to get one used... but until then I stick with my extremely versatile note 2!
Note 5 is a no go for 2 simple reasons: SD and fixed battery.
Samsung Will Feel It.
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Sadly the development has never been great for the DE. Lack of root for the retail version has killed an otherwise amazing phone for tinkerers and Nandroiders.
If I am wrong let me know and I'll try to get one used... but until then I stick with my extremely versatile note 2!
Note 5 is a no go for 2 simple reasons: SD and fixed battery.
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Yup, Note 5 looks great, but from a distance...
And that's why I picked up a 2nd Note 4, found one, at a Best Buy, who states their inventories are depleting and they are discontinued in their systems. So, as soon as they are all sold out, no more. I had to run to a store far away from my home to get a new one. Yup, it's retail, but of course has the two main features people want. And I'm holding on to it for right now, not sure what I'll do with it.
Samsung most definitely does not have em, and whatever Verizon has they REFUSE to sell one at full price walking out of the store with them - poop-heads
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But Samsung will feel it, for sure - Hmmm, apple-wanna-bees, maybe we'll call them "Sample", yup, we tried it, doesn't taste so good anymore...
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On a final note, and what might be regarded by most of you as a "Good luck with that.." attempt - this, is the reason I am named "Anti-Cloud"
I would like to start a petition, in which we, the users of phones, regain 100% control if it's use, who has access to it, what's on it, and with full administrative access rights. I would like that to see the petition be forged into a bill and work it's way up to Washington and become law: it basically puts the business of communication devices on a simple one-to-one basis, a simple business model - which in the end, if a person pays for phone service to make calls, send texts, run apps, browse web etc, that the business relationship is solely between "you" and the carrier - meaning you pay for the service and the carrier can only conduct business scoped to making phone calls sending receiving data / text - no collection of whereabouts, providing location services (which is BS anyway), nor using the phone by any means to sell more services - a simple contract more or less, that all other business conducted, whether the user knows about it or not, is prohibited by law - the phone is a phone, it is not a platform for a carrier / 3rd parties to conduct further business (or the government for that matter).
History / Background - A purchased computer, by any of us, is for the most part, an honest transaction - meaning once we purchase that computer, which may have an operating system / software on it, it is free to do with what we want. We, the user, can decide to employ administrative access to that PC, even go as far as completely remove an operating system. Note, not sure about apple, but with Microsoft, although a bit harder to do with Windows 8/10 etc, the user can still remove virtually anything they don't want in that operating system let alone they can fully preserve administrative access even in the midst of an update of operating system / software...
Phones, are not that way today. The phone's calling / data / text service is a basic service, yet there are many hands / fingers / services nested with a phone as it leaves the confines of the carrier, with the intent to solicit, collect, and control the business conducted of (on) that device - I want an end to it.
You realize that when you walk out of a carrier with your new phone it is not just a phone you can make calls with, send texts, browse the web - using Samsung / Verizon as a base example: It has Verizon, Samsung, Google, and the Government's fingers into it. The device is a platform to do "further" business with, on top of which we, the user, do not have full administrative rights to.
1. I seek to defund the business models (fingers), i.e. amputate - 3rd parties abilities to do ANY business (collect data, or sell) on devices that does not have to do with making phone calls, sending texts, using data (sending / receiving data between the carrier's towers and the device - the raw service, what you pay for)
2. Give the user FULL unadulterated administrative rights to the device with ability to remove ANY / ALL components / software / drivers - and that no non-essential-software shall be "baked-in" to the point that if removed the device becomes in-operable - i.e. NFL football, google maps. The device's ability to make calls, send texts, consume data must be independent of ALL other applications. Essentially, there would be no need for rooting / jail breaking as the phone's will come that way.
3. Location services can be disabled / removed and are completely free / untethered from the hardware GPS and or the phone's ability to operate - a consumer can, at will, have the ability to remove ALL location features even up to the point of removing drivers which employ the hardware GPS - if they so choose. And, a carrier / 3rd party cannot make the claim of greater accuracy (as that is a lie, complete lie) - using the hardware GPS is by far the most accurate and ALL software models at a minimum should be required to have the ability employ the hardware GPS only with no transmission of location datum to a 3rd party / carrier without the expressed consent of the user / knowledge there of.
4. Device manufactures and carriers MUST give the user a complete freedom from cloud service and or provide an equal means of storing / transmitting user's private data without the intervention / knowledge of a 3rd party provider / carrier - the user must have the choice as to whether to use the cloud or not. No carrier / manufacturer can put a device in service which forces the consumer to use cloud services. and the carrier / 3rd party provider MUST allow the user to move data off / on to the device in a sealed vacuum of privacy.
5. Operating System Providers MUST provide an operating system in which the user can have FULL administrative access to do all the above while maintaining a secure model - meaning carriers / manufactures cannot debilitate a secure service or claim the device is insecure if administrative access is gained by the local user. Secure models must be independent of administrative access - just like a PC!! It is an excuse, 100%, if a provider / carrier insists that security has been compromised if administrative access is gained.
This is a start -
Now, having said that. in a reasonable fashion, a carrier / 3rd party should have the ability to deem a device secure (or not) by virtue of a minimum set of requirements that deem the device safe to transact financial / secure private business - i.e. the user could remove components that defund a device's security model making it vulnerable for attack etc. carriers and 3rd party providers in order to maintain a secure model should be allowed to prevent an application / certain services from transacting if the device is not compliant. We see this in an application like Soft-Card etc. although I contend that a user gaining root access does not constitute a breach in security - if it does, it is because the operating system (or software) is weak - see #5, and providers must ensure that they can achieve a secure platform with administrative access.
any takers?
Ummmm...
Good luck with that!
lexbian said:
Yup. No more contracts or contract pricing as of this coming Tuesday. Only options for phone purchase from VZW will be EDGE or full price. If you want a subsidized phone price point, get to the store tomorrow (although it doesn't seem like ANYONE wants more contract... lol)
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Just to clarify, from what I've been reading if you are on a VZW legacy plan with a 2 year contract you can stick with it and get contract upgrades like normal going forward. I have not seen anything official from VZW on this, but that's the word on the street and I really hope it proves to be true. I still have unlimited data on 4 of my 5 family plan lines and if they steal the contract upgrade subsidies from me I'll be f*#king pissed since it's a value of around $20/month per line.
On a side note I'm looking for a DE Note 4. If anyone has any leads let me know. Those things are like leprechauns these days.
If someone here with a DE wants to move to a different phone I have a contract upgrade available with Verizon so I can trade you any new phone for a DE Note 4.
vmod32 said:
Just to clarify, from what I've been reading if you are on a VZW legacy plan with a 2 year contract you can stick with it and get contract upgrades like normal going forward. I have not seen anything official from VZW on this, but that's the word on the street and I really hope it proves to be true. I still have unlimited data on 4 of my 5 family plan lines and if they steal the contract upgrade subsidies from me I'll be f*#king pissed since it's a value of around $20/month per line.
On a side note I'm looking for a DE Note 4. If anyone has any leads let me know. Those things are like leprechauns these days.
If someone here with a DE wants to move to a different phone I have a contract upgrade available with Verizon so I can trade you any new phone for a DE Note 4.
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@vmod32 I sent you a PM.
madchainsawer said:
Get a unlocked phone off of tmobile and you can have removable back battery and sd card and you can put a verizon chip and root.
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Not to repeat what you just said but are you saying that if I get an unlocked phone designed for T-Mobile that I can run it on the Verizon network as long as I put the Verizon sim card in? That would be awesome as I want to buy a note 4 developer edition but can't find one.
burbank said:
Not to repeat what you just said but are you saying that if I get an unlocked phone designed for T-Mobile that I can run it on the Verizon network as long as I put the Verizon sim card in? That would be awesome as I want to buy a note 4 developer edition but can't find one.
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No - this doesn't work as Verizon has to white list the device for it to work on their network.
So is it just sadistic that this page is still up?
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/ET-N910VMKEVZW