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this may seem like a silly question, but i have to return my incredible bec they are sending me a replacement, dead pixel, so before i try to root i would like to have it unrooted before i send it back...
so how do you unroot it?
thanx all
At the risk of starting a flamewar (and none of this is directly aimed at the OP):
A lot people need to chill on this. This root method is not ready for prime time yet (that's why they made the disclaimer that it's only really for power users).
As an average user, there is almost nothing gained by having root at this point (other than removing city id and MAYBE gaining tethering). I mean seriously, people who don't even know how to install the android sdk on their computers have no business attempting this.
The main reason most people want root is for custom roms and there aren't any yet.
To answer your question, yes, you can easily undo it with a factory wipe/flash, but again, what's the point in trying it when you have nothing to do with the privileges?
Use one of the RUU post in this forum pre ota or the ota one.
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To answer your question, yes, you can easily undo it with a factory wipe
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thank you!
m1k3- said:
To answer your question, yes, you can easily undo it with a factory wipe/flash, but again, what's the point in trying it when you have nothing to do with the privileges?
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BOOO!
I've been seeing this kind of presumptuous junk pop up again in the Inc thread around the root issue, just like it used to around root season in late '08 for the G1. The one lesson I learned was this:
STOP TELLING PEOPLE THEY'RE NOT SMART/GOOD/CRAFTY ENOUGH TO ROOT!
And if you haven't checked recently, there are a ton of root-only apps on the market. Maybe he just likes #-signs better than $-signs. Whatever his reasons are, just let people be. This forum wouldn't exist if it weren't for natural curiosity.
really though at this point it's kinda based on the SD card you have an timing. to unroot though you just download and run the RUU on the forums here.
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BOOO!
I've been seeing this kind of presumptuous junk pop up again in the Inc thread around the root issue, just like it used to around root season in late '08 for the G1. The one lesson I learned was this:
STOP TELLING PEOPLE THEY'RE NOT SMART/GOOD/CRAFTY ENOUGH TO ROOT!
And if you haven't checked recently, there are a ton of root-only apps on the market. Maybe he just likes #-signs better than $-signs. Whatever his reasons are, just let people be. This forum wouldn't exist if it weren't for natural curiosity.
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Dude,
Aside from the fact that they can break stuff (up to and including bricking their phone - yes I realize this process resulting in a brick is unlikely, but it's still possible), there's also another good reason... security. A lot of these people aren't 'linux guys' and don't even really understand what exactly 'root' even means. I bet $20 that if you had everyone in this forum in a room and walked around with a clipboard asking people 'What is UID 0?' maybe 20-30% of people would know the answer. That means that up to 80% of them probably don't quite understand all of the things inside this can of worms they're trying to open.
My comments weren't intended to be presumptuous, or to look down on people, or to thumb my nose at them, etc. I'm only pointing out that for average (or probably even most) users, there aren't really any everyday reasons to go through this.... especially if you don't know what you're doing. All risk, no reward. And that's exactly why the developers of the method are advising these types of users to wait for something that's more suitable for mass consumption.
Ya I love my phone the way it is, all I wanted to do is wifi tether haha. I rooted just fine and im no expert at all. It took about 20 minutes.
Thank you! To the answer on how to quickly unroot. I appreciate it...
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Use one of the RUU post in this forum pre ota or the ota one.
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Is there a way to unroot without wiping the phone?
Since when did wiping the phone remove root?
If you RUU the phone to unroot it is wiped and will need to re-do all the settings. I dont want to have to do that.
All links pulled due to XDA Request after an XDA member complained I was only out for profits to a moderator on a few products I have. Due to the fact I link to a product or two and a few other things in many videos, I was asked to pull any content relating to this.
I will still be offering all this great material at my website. Just go to google and search for MobileTechVideos.
Great work!
I'm sure a lot of users will appreciate the time you put into this. I thank you for them ;-)
Good idea, but allow some constructive criticism. Too long of a video, people don't really need to know how the file structuring works, too long of a demonstration is just going to cause them to get impatient and step ahead of you, possibly bricking or causing their device to malfunction. That's all fine and good, but you forgot to emphasize that new Captivate's don't have 3-button.
It's important, because if they end up bricking it, the only way to recover is to make a usb jig to force the phone into download mode. I would say that to protect yourself, give people the proper precautions to flash. If i were to buy a captivate right now, and try to flash Cog or something with Odin and botched it up, I wouldn't be able to boot it into Download or Recovery, and would most likely have to do a warranty claim.
Long post short, I think you should definitely edit video one and make a notion of the importance of the 3-button fix. Good video over-all, and I always thought it would be a great idea to have a visible tutorial video as some people learn better from videos than they do from text or audibles, but way too much information, being well informed is best case scenario for any scene, as it would lessen the clutter of idiotic searchless support we suffer on here, but 3 parts is too much. Another thing I'd like to mention is if people need to be instructed on how to manage their screen real estate, they probably won't understand any of the video.
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Good idea, but allow some constructive criticism. Too long of a video, people don't really need to know how the file structuring works, too long of a demonstration is just going to cause them to get impatient and step ahead of you, possibly bricking or causing their device to malfunction. That's all fine and good, but you forgot to emphasize that new Captivate's don't have 3-button.
It's important, because if they end up bricking it, the only way to recover is to make a usb jig to force the phone into download mode. I would say that to protect yourself, give people the proper precautions to flash. If i were to buy a captivate right now, and try to flash Cog or something with Odin and botched it up, I wouldn't be able to boot it into Download or Recovery, and would most likely have to do a warranty claim.
Long post short, I think you should definitely edit video one and make a notion of the importance of the 3-button fix. Good video over-all, and I always thought it would be a great idea to have a visible tutorial video as some people learn better from videos than they do from text or audibles, but way too much information, being well informed is best case scenario for any scene, as it would lessen the clutter of idiotic searchless support we suffer on here, but 3 parts is too much. Another thing I'd like to mention is if people need to be instructed on how to manage their screen real estate, they probably won't understand any of the video.
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Thanks a lot for the comment. I know it is LONG, but the intent was to give users a Real-Time analysis and be with them step by step. I mentioned the importance of watching the video BEFORE flashing as well a few times. I included a large disclaimer as well in the beginning. This was really a shot to all the "I have no clue how to ROM" folks so I made it as newbie-proof as possible. Try to keep a, I have no clue how to do this and I'm not an IT pro type of mentality when watching as that is the TARGET audience. I'll definitely consider making a shorter version however with time-lapsed instances.
Well, great job, it's something that should definitely be worked on and stickied. If at all possible I would still recommend at most a pause and a text overlay alerting the noobs in question of the 3 button. I work at AT&T, and I deal with captivates every day, and I get a lot of people who come back in with bricked phones that don't have the 3-button fix. I would say, before they try flashing anything, make sure 3-button is present, and if it's not, stress how important it is, and stress how important it is that they follow your directions to the T if it is indeed absent, as it's the only user-friendly way to recover from a brick. I only say this because the fickle community known as the internet might take it out on you if they follow your video and end up with a doorstop.
Nice job dude, should definitely be a stickied topic, you've done a service to all of the XDA members; we won't have to answer as many questions now!
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Well, great job, it's something that should definitely be worked on and stickied. If at all possible I would still recommend at most a pause and a text overlay alerting the noobs in question of the 3 button. I work at AT&T, and I deal with captivates every day, and I get a lot of people who come back in with bricked phones that don't have the 3-button fix. I would say, before they try flashing anything, make sure 3-button is present, and if it's not, stress how important it is, and stress how important it is that they follow your directions to the T if it is indeed absent, as it's the only user-friendly way to recover from a brick. I only say this because the fickle community known as the internet might take it out on you if they follow your video and end up with a doorstop.
Nice job dude, should definitely be a stickied topic, you've done a service to all of the XDA members; we won't have to answer as many questions now!
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To truly make sure I'm on the same page as you, are you referring to the 3 button download mode sequence? I teach the step using the 2 button plus USB cable sequence instead. Just making sure.
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To truly make sure I'm on the same page as you, are you referring to the 3 button download mode sequence? I teach the step using the 2 button plus USB cable sequence instead. Just making sure.
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Lots of phones don't have any button combination that works, even if you are just holding the vol buttons and inserting the USB. I think he is just talking in general for people to know if their phones are cable of entering download mode via any way possible before flashing, as it is always a topic of "I bricked my phone help me" status.
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Lots of phones don't have any button combination that works, even if you are just holding the vol buttons and inserting the USB. I think he is just talking in general for people to know if their phones are cable of entering download mode via any way possible before flashing, as it is always a topic of "I bricked my phone help me" status.
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I see. Nothing leading up to entering download mode will brick the phone. So basically if you are unable to enter download mode during this video, literally all you have done is backed up your applications. At this time I assume a post or comment would be made and other methods may be mentioned. See what I mean? Basically if you can't complete the step at the point of the download mode step, you won't risk getting stuck.
these are very nice videos, gret for begginers!
realy sorts things up!
one thing i am missing here...
the id restore, in all my installes i always backup the 2.1 original device id, and i had to implement it int the cog roms or any other using android id changer.
i tried it on 3 different captivates, with different rom versions of cog, all with the same results. maybe you shuld mention it in a comment or something.
my 2 cents.
Yossi
Death_Keeper said:
these are very nice videos, gret for begginers!
realy sorts things up!
one thing i am missing here...
the id restore, in all my installes i always backup the 2.1 original device id, and i had to implement it int the cog roms or any other using android id changer.
i tried it on 3 different captivates, with different rom versions of cog, all with the same results. maybe you shuld mention it in a comment or something.
my 2 cents.
Yossi
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Excellent point. I did forget about the ID Changer app and that the COG roms and many others were momentarily not reflashing SSID info. I'll try and cook that into the first video.
nice video bro BTW, do you necessarily have to flash back to stock rom using odin or can you just use clockwork and rom manager to do a direct flash?
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but you forgot to emphasize that new Captivate's don't have 3-button.
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I have build 1009 (newer than the problematic 1008), and my 3 button works just dandy.
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nice video bro BTW, do you necessarily have to flash back to stock rom using odin or can you just use clockwork and rom manager to do a direct flash?
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You can but nobody really recommends it. Flashing back to stock is just the easiest way to ensure Vodoo or other lagfix options don't get in the way of the way the ROM was natively intended to install. I wanted to do a full wiping flash. The master clear really is going above and beyond but hey I was being an over achiever...
I think this is really nice, but it seems like there is a gap between the end of video one and the beginning of video two. You explain how to boot into download mode, but then you never actually show the flashing back to stock process, and instead skip right to re-rooting the newly flashed phone.
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I think this is really nice, but it seems like there is a gap between the end of video one and the beginning of video two. You explain how to boot into download mode, but then you never actually show the flashing back to stock process, and instead skip right to re-rooting the newly flashed phone.
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I can't believe I missed that. I recorded all of that footage and have it in the single bulk file but apparently missed it when cropping the file for multi-part uploading. I'll fix it tonight and thank you for pointing that out.
EDIT: I actually didn't miss that. My video project shows I cropped correctly but after producing the software unexplainably cropped incorrectly. I'm patching with the latest update and then hoping I can correctly produce that clip. I'll reupload soon. I just didn't have 30 mins available at the end to full watch the clips.
OK CLIP 2 SYNC ISSUES RESOLVED. ALL CLIPS ARE NOW INLINE...
I'm new to Android but I have some decent enough tech skills from a career in IT and tinkering. However I was absolutely terrified to do this just because of the harsh reality that bricking my phone is possible. This guide was immensely helpful and I'll probably attempt to flash to 2.2 soon. Thanks for all your work!
Should be sticky! v
I've just found your videos and while I haven't watched them yet (it's too late, tomorrow.....) I have one comment - please don't edit out info about file structure, etc. I need that kind of info! I'm hoping to learn enough to get brave and take the plunge
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I have build 1009 (newer than the problematic 1008), and my 3 button works just dandy.
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Me too - purchased at the beginning of October
My phone has been through a lot and seems un-brickable or at least I can always get back into download mode
Sent from Cyanogen... or something similar
A lot of devs here doing stuff for free, so why not get paid for it?
I need a simple apk file that will work cross platform (different android phones, as many as possible), determine the phone model, and try to root it. It shouldn't install any super user apk, or anything. Just the su file. After the phone is rooted, it should simple reboot.
70-80% of this code is available publicly.
If you are interested in taking the job, pm me and we can talk over the price
You should try to make your intentions seem... oh, I don't know... less malicious.
how is rooting a phone malicious?
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f28/instant-root-apk-25275/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=743289
man, check out all those malicous rooting programs. Not to mention there are like 5-6 instant root programs on the market as well.
Here is an open source rooting method that takes care of about 20+ phones. only ones that it is not able to root are NAND locked phones.
https://github.com/shakalaca/UniversalAndroot
All I need is that code to be implemented. Checks if the phone is on the whitelist, and then roots it.
For nand locked phones, well you would have to write the code, since there is no open sourced version of unrevoked.
So, how does this pay us? We charge anywhere between 250-900 / hour depending on number of developers and project.
lol 250$ per hour for java development? no thanks, i can hire devs cheaper in asm and ring0 work then that. thanks for the laugh tho.
If you're going to laugh at $250 an hour, then just program it yourself...it's easy
Granted, $250 to almost $1,000 AN HOUR is a bit up there. LOL. Would love to see what a developer does at his place in a 8 hour day and get charged $2,000 to $8,000 Dude must drink 10 5-hour energy drinks and types 300 wpm!
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You should try to make your intentions seem... oh, I don't know... less malicious.
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Looks like trying to rent a student for 10$/hour to hide your wills to take control of someone phone.
Last-Chance said:
how is rooting a phone malicious?
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Have you ever considered the use of superuser ? prevent anyone hiding commands on the system ...
wait... what?
You want someone to write an app that literally does EXACTLY what universal androot does and you want them to use the universal androot source code to do it?
just... just think that through for a moment.
I want to root my phone but dont know if its possible witht the lastest update. im very new to all of this but i see there are many many more things i can do with it rooted than not rooted.
i also want to get sense 3.0 on it.
thanks for all help.
chesarae.garza said:
I want to root my phone but dont know if its possible witht the lastest update. im very new to all of this but i see there are many many more things i can do with it rooted than not rooted.
i also want to get sense 3.0 on it.
thanks for all help.
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for the love of christ............. diaf
chill out bro...forums dont need police! its just a question, dont take it so personal.
chesarae.garza said:
chill out bro...forums dont need police! its just a question, dont take it so personal.
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yes but it is the same question that has been asked a thousand times that you didnt feel the need to search for yourself. look like 3 posts down from your thread, then like 2 more down, then a few more down, notice anything? yeah those are the other morons who asked the same thing that has been beat to death because they felt they were to special to search.
i dont think we think were "to special" bro.
thanks for pointing me in the right direction though, thats all i needed.
So it can't be done or is it being worked on?
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So it can't be done or is it being worked on?
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Currently it cannot be done. The source code for the ROM will be released soon and soon after you will have more ROMS, better kernels and rooting. Until then its a wait period for you. Its good practice to wait after an update (OTA) is released to the wild because you lose root and essentially you are stuck with that ROM until things are released etc.
Hope that helps and welcome to XDA.!
How long....?
I'm a n00b and I know there is no root method with a 2.3 OTA if you are S-On. The bootloader is locked.
Question: Whats a typical time-frame for somebody to do the hack? Days, weeks, Months.
From what I gather and read this work-a-round is going to be harder.
The reason I ask is that I am about to kank my Comcast wireless service. Increased from $26.99 to $49.99. I think I'm better off paying Sprint $30 for the hotspot. I am better off waiting a bit, then root to get the free hotspot tether to work.
FWIW - Maybe there should be a sticky titled "EVO 4G 2.3 Hack Update! - Sprint: 4 , XDA:3" One post per day, saying just "nada, zilch, nothing, - patience grasshoper"
Anything to see the status is No Can Do.
People will be mercilessness with asking the same ridiculous question.
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I'm a n00b and I know there is no root method with a 2.3 OTA if you are S-On. The bootloader is locked.
Question: Whats a typical time-frame for somebody do the hack? Days, weeks, Months.
From what I gather and read this work-a-round is going to be harder.
The reason I ask is that I am about to kank my Comcast wireless service. Increased from $26.99 to $49.99. I think I'm better off paying Sprint $30 for the hotspot. I am better off waiting a bit, then root to get the free hotspot tether to work.
FWIW - Maybe there should be a sticky titled "EVO 4G 2.3 Hack Update! - Sprint: 4 , XDA:3" One post per day, saying just "nada, zilch, nothing, - patience grasshoper"
Anything to see the status is No Can Do.
People will be mercilessness with asking the same ridiculous question.
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i would say average is a few weeks to a month based on previous ota getting rooted. however google seems to have done a good job at plugging all the holes and it may be considerably longer. no way to know how long really. just depends how much scouring it takes to find an exploit. take the rageagainstthecage exploit, that wasnt discovered until about 6 months after froyo was release iirc
I get aggravated to, but the guy asked the question in a decent enough. non-naab way.
Truth is, if you have 2.3.3 and you're S-on, there is no root, currently.
Give it some time, be patient and use the time to read as much as you can and get an idea of what you want and how you want to set it up once a root method is developed.
Specifically, I'd learn APS2SD/SD Card partitioning, Which ROMS suit your needs the best and how you want to set your screens up
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I get aggravated to, but the guy asked the question in a decent enough. non-naab way.
Truth is, if you have 2.3.3 and you're S-on, there is no root, currently.
Give it some time, be patient and use the time to read as much as you can and get an idea of what you want and how you want to set it up once a root method is developed.
Specifically, I'd learn APS2SD/SD Card partitioning, Which ROMS suit your needs the best and how you want to set your screens up
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op asked in a manner befitting someone who has not searched or tried to answer for himself hence is why he got some flammage. Schlenkerla, however, asked in an educated and obviously researched way which earned him a proper reply.
no root? How about another option?
ok, i have been reading every single day on how to re-root my evo. Now, im not asking if there is a root method yet, however i need to ask this.
Is is possible to revert the hboot, firmware, to a previous version. I an unable to install a ruu OS because im s-on of course. I would just like to know if there is ANY way to revert back to 2.2 so i can just root the normal way and start flashing roms daily again... It can be complicated, im highly technical, but i cant find anyhting talking about a way to do this.
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ok, i have been reading every single day on how to re-root my evo. Now, im not asking if there is a root method yet, however i need to ask this.
Is is possible to revert the hboot, firmware, to a previous version. I an unable to install a ruu OS because im s-on of course. I would just like to know if there is ANY way to revert back to 2.2 so i can just root the normal way and start flashing roms daily again... It can be complicated, im highly technical, but i cant find anyhting talking about a way to do this.
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not possible at this point. the 2.16 hboot will not allow an older version to be flashed.
Crap, that sucks! thanks for the info.
I am guessing the same goes with a factory reset.
Btw - what all does factory reset do?
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chill out bro...forums dont need police! its just a question, dont take it so personal.
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Forums also don't need the same question asked in 50 different threads.
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Or people running around being jerks on it. If a complete stranger asked you the same question for the 50th time in real life would you blow up in their face about it? No. So why would you on the internet? The internet makes people feel empowered to be rude because they aren't face to face. Let's just keep in mind that person on the other end is a human being, and we all are lazy and all don't search for stuff ok?
I can't tell you how many times my husband has said "I can't find the ketchup" and I say "did you look behind the milk?". The answer is always no, but that's where it is!
Maybe its just guys that have the problem with not knowing how to search.
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Because if someone asks you a question you've heard over and over, they may not be in a position to do a simple search for the answer before they ask....
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<snip> Let's just keep in mind that person on the other end is a human being, and we all are lazy and all don't search for stuff ok? <snip>
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Look, I am not a flamer (at least , not where noobs are concerned). I normally just ignore questions that have been answered 1000 times. Believe it or not, I am actually a pretty polite dood, especially to people I don't know. That being said, the thought process that starts with "everybody does it" and ends with "fvk it, i'll just ask instead of bothering to search" is just wrong. Feel free to search through every thread I have ever started and show me were I started a thread asking a question that had already been done to death. Do it. People get flamed because others want the questions to STOP! They WANT noobs to be too afraid of flaming to ask a question. I was gone on vacation, and away from from XDA for basically a solid week. During that vacation, I managed to smash my phone's screen. As soon as I got home, I put in for my replacement, and immediately started searching for root methods for the newest OTA. It took less than 10 minutes to determine that there was no news...with the exception of this, which obviously is not very helpful.
In short: Don't start a new thread unless you are SURE that there is not already a thread about your topic. If you decide to do it anyway, don't complain when you get flamed. It is your own fault. Human nature is no excuse for anything. We are humans and have the power to observe both ourselves and the world around us, and we have the ability to modify our behavior based on those observations. For instance, I was absolutely positive, when I began writing this response, that at least one person would feel the need to flame me for it. Go ahead. I can take it. I put my big-boy pants on.
I keep reading post after post about how pissed off someone is that they don't have SD support, and now that they have it with the 3.2 update, they are pissed that they have to hook it up to their computer to write to it.
My question to them is this:
If you can root your Xoom, put a custom kernel on it and have full access to your sd card, then take it back to stock if you need to send it back to Motorola, why don't you stop being a baby and just do it?
I mean, you care enough to complain on this forum so that we all have to read about how upset you are, but you are unwilling to follow the simple steps spelled out here to fix it?
Today I had an epiphany . I figured it out. It's not that they feel that they shouldn't have to; they just don't want to admit the true reason. These people are afraid to root their Xoom. If they weren't afraid, then they would be rooted already and moving on with their lives, instead of complaining on this forum and getting all upset about it.
I mean, it's 100% fixable. There is no other logical explanation.
How about people that want to get movies from the Android Market but you can't if you are rooted. That's not fear, that's not wanting to loose features. That's just one example, I am sure there are plenty of others. So maybe you shouldn't be a self-righteous pr*k and realize there may be reasons beyond your comprehension.
I have mine setup the way I want it, and AFAIK there is no way of rooting without wiping during the unlock process. So until then, I will have to live without the ability to change the main font. Which is a shame, but meh.
VaKo said:
I have mine setup the way I want it, and AFAIK there is no way of rooting without wiping during the unlock process. So until then, I will have to live without the ability to change the main font. Which is a shame, but meh.
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True, that's unappealing...just when it's perfect you have to wipe and then you have to set it up again. I used to worry more about that but now that I've had to set-up again about 5 or 6 times I've become a master at doing it quickly and better than before. I totally love having root...wouldn't do it any other way.
I dare say people don't root because they are happy as they are, while those of us who enjoy using all of our devices are dumbstruck by people not doing so.
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I dare say people don't root because they are happy as they are, while those of us who enjoy using all of our devices are dumbstruck by people not doing so.
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I just don't see too much of a need until we get some source code and custom roms.
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I just don't see too much of a need until we get some source code and custom roms.
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undervolting each freq by 125mV is way to good to pass up
no way would I ever use stock
It's just not the right time. I wait until a "real" custom rom comes out.
What for? I can use my SD card if I need to. Which I don't. Got 3.2 a couple of days ago. If I want to play with roms and overclocking I have my phone rooted. But for now I don't need it.
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Really?
crisisinthecity said:
I keep reading post after post about how pissed off someone is that they don't have SD support, and now that they have it with the 3.2 update, they are pissed that they have to hook it up to their computer to write to it.
My question to them is this:
If you can root your Xoom, put a custom kernel on it and have full access to your sd card, then take it back to stock if you need to send it back to Motorola, why don't you stop being a baby and just do it?
I mean, you care enough to complain on this forum so that we all have to read about how upset you are, but you are unwilling to follow the simple steps spelled out here to fix it?
Today I had an epiphany . I figured it out. It's not that they feel that they shouldn't have to; they just don't want to admit the true reason. These people are afraid to root their Xoom. If they weren't afraid, then they would be rooted already and moving on with their lives, instead of complaining on this forum and getting all upset about it.
I mean, it's 100% fixable. There is no other logical explanation.
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For all the positive posts on this forum, and how helpful the "experts" are for us neophytes, this post is a huge fail. I'm not sure I could state the value of why it is even here........
Am I pissed I paid $500 for a computer that doesn't do what it claims? Yes. Am I pissed the salesperson sold me a bill of goods? Yes. Am I pissed I didn't have the chance to understand what I was reading about the unit and bought it anyhow? Yes.
Am I afraid to brick my device? Yes. Am I worrying when I read a full page of "if you do this" on the screen, while rooting, I lose my warranty and evil will come to my door? Yes. Am I afraid, while knowing the instructions provided on this forum are pretty darn good, that I might miss something and cause the end of life as we know it on this planet? [ or, at least having to explain to my wife why our $500 paperweight needs dusted off ]. Yes.
So, I'm in. I've used what I've learned here and taken the risk, however small you may think it is. But I'm 50, not 20. I'm considered a "nerd" in my circle of friends, but I can't carry the water for most of you guys. So, yes, I'm a bit worried about killing it. So what?
And unless you're better than I think you are (and I have no doubt you're pretty darn good - seriously), in computers there is no such thing as 100%.
KerryG said:
How about people that want to get movies from the Android Market but you can't if you are rooted. That's not fear, that's not wanting to loose features. That's just one example, I am sure there are plenty of others. So maybe you shouldn't be a self-righteous pr*k and realize there may be reasons beyond your comprehension.
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Good point. Any more reasons?
newskate9 said:
For all the positive posts on this forum, and how helpful the "experts" are for us neophytes, this post is a huge fail. I'm not sure I could state the value of why it is even here........
Am I pissed I paid $500 for a computer that doesn't do what it claims? Yes. Am I pissed the salesperson sold me a bill of goods? Yes. Am I pissed I didn't have the chance to understand what I was reading about the unit and bought it anyhow? Yes.
Am I afraid to brick my device? Yes. Am I worrying when I read a full page of "if you do this" on the screen, while rooting, I lose my warranty and evil will come to my door? Yes. Am I afraid, while knowing the instructions provided on this forum are pretty darn good, that I might miss something and cause the end of life as we know it on this planet? [ or, at least having to explain to my wife why our $500 paperweight needs dusted off ]. Yes.
So, I'm in. I've used what I've learned here and taken the risk, however small you may think it is. But I'm 50, not 20. I'm considered a "nerd" in my circle of friends, but I can't carry the water for most of you guys. So, yes, I'm a bit worried about killing it. So what?
And unless you're better than I think you are (and I have no doubt you're pretty darn good - seriously), in computers there is no such thing as 100%.
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It's here so that we can understand why people won't root their Xoom. Getting some good answers.
I Agree
I cannot imagine using any of my android devices without at least su file capabilities
crisisinthecity said:
It's here so that we can understand why people won't root their Xoom. Getting some good answers.
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Your answer to my post, leads me to believe I missed the point and tone of your OP. I took quite a bit of attitude, perhaps mistakenly. If so, accept my apologies please.
Give me one good reason I should.
While rooting would give me some slight benefit, the juice is simply not worth the squeeze. I am happy with what Ive got and have seen no compelling reason why I should go through the trouble since SD support isnt even an incentive anymore and it was the only thing I was lacking.
Cielmerlion said:
Give me one good reason I should.
While rooting would give me some slight benefit, the juice is simply not worth the squeeze. I am happy with what Ive got and have seen no compelling reason why I should go through the trouble since SD support isnt even an incentive anymore and it was the only thing I was lacking.
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This is great because it says that people love the Xoom right out of the box, or fresh from the stock update.
As I said, having experienced both, I will choose the ability to truly customize to my hearts content. But for those who are happy with plain vanilla, enjoy!
chbennett said:
I dare say people don't root because they are happy as they are, while those of us who enjoy using all of our devices are dumbstruck by people not doing so.
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+1 I have no reason to root.
the speed, battery life, etc. etc. are all fine for what I use it for - nothing heavy - just a replacement for browsing the web and a few games like angry birds
Charlie_Don't_Surf said:
I just don't see too much of a need until we get some source code and custom roms.
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there's no real custom roms out that give you any benefit to flashing a new rom, and I am on 3.2 - not even put an sdcard in the xoom yet.
all movies/tv shows are streamed direct to TV or to Xoom via Plex, so i dont need extra space to store movies,
I only have the wifi version so i dont need space for travelling around with 3g.
the only time I may need more space and thus an sdcard would be if i go on holiday and want to take a few films on the sd - but even in a readonly state i can do that by loading films onto an sd and sticking it in now...
my only grief was that motorola were taking an aeon to push out any updates to the UK image I had on - but flashing the US fixed that and I decided I dont need to go any further down the rooting process... I'm happy - surely that's the best way to be
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Your answer to my post, leads me to believe I missed the point and tone of your OP. I took quite a bit of attitude, perhaps mistakenly. If so, accept my apologies please.
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I was basically trying to get some conversations started as to why and why not to root the WiFi xoom so people on this forum understand where the other team is coming from. Thought this thread title and my choice of words would draw some good debate. And it would keep the debate here and not all over the forum.
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I get what people are saying here, if you're happy with what you've got then by all means you should stick to it. No-one should be telling you what to like.
However, I do support the OP. If you are NOT happy with what you've got but there is a fix for it, why not just apply the fix instead of complaining?
crisisinthecity said:
I keep reading post after post about how pissed off someone is that they don't have SD support, and now that they have it with the 3.2 update, they are pissed that they have to hook it up to their computer to write to it.
My question to them is this:
If you can root your Xoom, put a custom kernel on it and have full access to your sd card, then take it back to stock if you need to send it back to Motorola, why don't you stop being a baby and just do it?
I mean, you care enough to complain on this forum so that we all have to read about how upset you are, but you are unwilling to follow the simple steps spelled out here to fix it?
Today I had an epiphany . I figured it out. It's not that they feel that they shouldn't have to; they just don't want to admit the true reason. These people are afraid to root their Xoom. If they weren't afraid, then they would be rooted already and moving on with their lives, instead of complaining on this forum and getting all upset about it.
I mean, it's 100% fixable. There is no other logical explanation.
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I for one am too new to Android to root my Xoom. I have a G2x phone. It has a one step Root method and a one step Recovery method. I'm ok with that. But looking at all the ABD steps and the instructions on how to make them work....I feel its too complicated for a limited return at this time.
If someone put together the Bible of rooting the Xoom, that does NOT begin with , " This assumes you have an understanding of xxx", then maybe I would...
I took the Xoom out of the box...I want to Root, do this, then this, then this. Include what needs to be installed, what to type, etc, etc.
If that sounds whiney...so what, you asked.