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[Q] About DosBox Turbo

My questions
-Will DosBox work on our wonderful device? I want to play some games like the early Elder Scrolls games.
-If it does, will simple games be smooth or rough as sandpaper?
-Does the DosBox work smoothly on our device?
Thanks in advance

Hi,
I'm the author of DosBox Turbo, so I'll try my best to answer your questions. Yes, DosBox Turbo will work fine on your device, and while the Samsing GT-S5360 is a great device overall, it does have the following limitations:
* An ARMv6 (slow) based CPU with no Floating Point
* Only 384 MB of RAM.
While, DosBox Turbo is highly optimized (even for older ARMv6 processors), your best performance will be with an ARMv7 CPU. With a standard single core ARMv7 processor (ie. Cortex A8), you can get around a [email protected] speed.
Having said that, with your slower CPU you can probably expect equivalent to around IBM 386SX (16-25Mhz) speed on your device. Its really hard for me to give you an exact speed, because it varies depending upon the game and many other factors. There are a few tweaks you can do to increase the speed, such as disabling screen scaling, reducing the Audio Frequency and other things, which will probably bump you up a few Mhz. So Elder Scrolls Arena *might* be playable on your phone, though the only way you can be sure is to try it out. If after purchasing DosBox Turbo, and you are not happy with it or just cant get it working on your phone, just shoot me an e-mail and I'd be happy to issue you a refund.
Cheers,
Gene

Woah! The app Dev! xD How do you actually get to know that someone has posted a thread about your app? Are you PM'd by our Mod or something? Cuz this amazes me. xP

Thanks for clarification
@raolemo
An app dev wants his users to be able to use the app he created without problems, so he probably searches questions, like mine

raolemo said:
Woah! The app Dev! xD How do you actually get to know that someone has posted a thread about your app? Are you PM'd by our Mod or something? Cuz this amazes me. xP
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i would like to know the answer too!!

One day maybe DOS Fallout will be playable.

No matter what i do or how i do it i cant seem to cyange my cycles from 5000. I set it at 1000 and as soon as i hit back it shows "dosbox cycles:5000". This happens whether i do it within the program or if i set it manually after enabling manual . Ive even set ctrp and the f11 and F12 keys and no matter what i do it always says cycles:5000. What the actual...?

4.2 Update- MAJOR Gaming Performance Increase

After updating to 4.2 via using the toolkit to download and flash google 4.1.1 factory image, then updating to 4.1.2 via OTA, then flashing the 4.2 update via recovery, I have noticed something very special...
Gaming. Oh my god. Gaming. What happened? What the hell happened? I mean- one minute I was happily running 4.1.2, the latest Smooth Rom, coupled with Motley a11, with the GPU clocked at 520Mhz, and the CPU at 1.6Ghz. And playing games.such as NFS Most Wanted and NOVA 3 was... Acceptable. Just about smooth enough to enjoy (20-25 FPS). And the next minute, I'm running 4.2 stock, with 100% stock frequencies for every aspect of the tablet, and gaming is soooooo darn smooth!!! (30-40 FPS). I mean- what the actual hell have Google pulled here??
Before its mentioned- I've checked. Both of the games mentioned still have the full Tegra Effects enabled, just as they were when they were running under 4.1.2.
My verdict is that when the games were running under 4.1.2, they weren't running on all cores available. Maybe just two, or perhaps even just one! Is it possible that Google have now enabled all the cores available to applications? If so- why wasn't it like this before?
What are your thoughts people?

chaplinb said:
After updating to 4.2 via using the toolkit to download and flash google 4.1.1 factory image, then updating to 4.1.2 via OTA, then flashing the 4.2 update via recovery, I have noticed something very special...
Gaming. Oh my god. Gaming. What happened? What the hell happened? I mean- one minute I was happily running 4.1.2, the latest Smooth Rom, coupled with Motley a11, with the GPU clocked at 520Mhz, and the CPU at 1.6Ghz. And playing games.such as NFS Most Wanted and NOVA 3 was... Acceptable. Just about smooth enough to enjoy (20-25 FPS). And the next minute, I'm running 4.2 stock, with 100% stock frequencies for every aspect of the tablet, and gaming is soooooo darn smooth!!! (30-40 FPS). I mean- what the actual hell have Google pulled here??
Before its mentioned- I've checked. Both of the games mentioned still have the full Tegra Effects enabled, just as they were when they were running under 4.1.2.
My verdict is that when the games were running under 4.1.2, they weren't running on all cores available. Maybe just two, or perhaps even just one! Is it possible that Google have now enabled all the cores available to applications? If so- why wasn't it like this before?
What ate your thoughts people?
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Overclocking GPUS and CPUs doesn't always mean you're getting the best performance out of your device.. In a lot of cases it can actually cause no performance increase or worse performance.
Especially at a OC of 1.6 and a GPU at 520.. I can almost guarantee your device was getting throttled down for thermal protection while gaming..

I hope you are right. But i don't see why it would not have used all cores before, it depends more on the application using threads properly.
Will definitely try some games when i get home, wish we had a Nexus 7 at work but they preferred an iPad mini for 7-8 inches app testing

lol edit srry

Yeah you're probably right. But even on stock kernel, I wasn't getting the smoothness I am now
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styckx said:
Overclocking GPUS and CPUs doesn't always mean you're getting the best performance out of your device.. In a lot of cases it can actually cause no performance increase or worse performance.
Especially at a OC of 1.6 and a GPU at 520.. I can almost guarantee your device was getting throttled down for thermal protection while gaming..
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Glad you said it, peeps still think an overclock = performance when in most cases a max overclock will hurt more than it helps, well unless you break out the liquid nitrogen.. happy days.
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Kaeladar said:
I hope you are right. But i don't see why it would not have used all cores before, it depends more on the application using threads properly.
Will definitely try some games when i get home, wish we had a Nexus 7 at work but they preferred an iPad mini for 7-8 inches app testing
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off topic but how you getting on with the ipad mini? Is the screen as bad as they say? not that im saying the N7 screen is good or anything its passable at best.

androidizen said:
Glad you said it, peeps still think an overclock = performance when in most cases a max overclock will hurt more than it helps, well unless you break out the liquid nitrogen.. happy days.
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off topic but how you getting on with the ipad mini? Is the screen as bad as they say? not that im saying the N7 screen is good or anything its passable at best.
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Screen is terrible. Text looks like crap.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium

Nvidia recently made some improvements to their Linux driver, claiming "double the performance."
Maybe some of those improvements made it into the Tegra 3 driver for Android?
I have not tried any games on 4.2 yet, can anyone confirm what the OP said?

Yeah I am aware that over-clocking rarely means performance increase. Its just fun to experiment sometimes and see for yourself
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app

It's slightly faster with some games, but I wouldn't call it major or anything.

steevp said:
Nvidia recently made some improvements to their Linux driver, claiming "double the performance."
Maybe some of those improvements made it into the Tegra 3 driver for Android?
I have not tried any games on 4.2 yet, can anyone confirm what the OP said?
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I got no performance improvement on Antutu, Egypt HD or Classic.

Neither did I. But I imagine those apps will soon receive an update to take advantage of 4.2?
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app

Oh dear, if you call 30-40 FPS a major increase then i worry about android gaming. Its 2012. 60 FPS should be the standard frame rate by now. games should be as smooth as project butter. This is why i jumped ship from windows phone to the galaxy s3. i wanted more power to run these games properly. sadly, a lot of them dont. I bought need for speed most wanted and hope it would run at 60 fps. it dosnt unless there is something wrong with my S3. Why do android owners think that 30 fps is acceptable in this day and age of dual and quad core processors?

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Oh dear, if you call 30-40 FPS a major increase then i worry about android gaming. Its 2012. 60 FPS should be the standard frame rate by now. games should be as smooth as project butter. This is why i jumped ship from windows phone to the galaxy s3. i wanted more power to run these games properly. sadly, a lot of them dont. I bought need for speed most wanted and hope it would run at 60 fps. it dosnt unless there is something wrong with my S3. Why do android owners think that 30 fps is acceptable in this day and age of dual and quad core processors?
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I can't tell you how many fps Need For Speed has on the S3 but I'd say it runs damn fast. A lot faster than on my N7 (still 4.1.2).
60 fps or 30 fps boils down to less detailed graphics or more detailed graphics on the same hardware. If you ask me, I take more details @30 fps then cheesy graphics @60 fps.

harise100 said:
I can't tell you how many fps Need For Speed has on the S3 but I'd say it runs damn fast. A lot faster than on my N7 (still 4.1.2).
60 fps or 30 fps boils down to less detailed graphics or more detailed graphics on the same hardware. If you ask me, I take more details @30 fps then cheesy graphics @60 fps.
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each to their own, perhaps your attitude is why developers cant be bothered to make or optimise android games to their full potential. should my quad core S3 be running games as smoothly as the same game on the dual core iphone 5? yep. do they? nope. im pretty sure that the S3 is capable. poor optimization i suspect. as an example, i bet need for speed most wanted is smoother on iphone5 than the S3 version? likely running at 60 fps but with the same graphics, same with Nova 3? FIFA 12? list goes on.
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i wish i had 4.2...
and here i thought people could only notice about 24fps... everything is smooth for me (except for spiderman) and im still on 4.1.2...
p.s can you tell me why my n7 wont update to 4.2? it notifies me theres an update and i click reboot&install, and it, i think, starts installing but something happens, and it just reboots with 4.1... thanks in advance

PenguinDroid said:
and here i thought people could only notice about 24fps... everything is smooth for me (except for spiderman) and im still on 4.1.2...
p.s can you tell me why my n7 wont update to 4.2? it notifies me theres an update and i click reboot&install, and it, i think, starts installing but something happens, and it just reboots with 4.1... thanks in advance
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thats what people keep saying but .if you have two copies of the same game one running at 24fps and the other running at 60fps and have them side by side. then you can easily tell the difference. Also JB, project Butter allows the UI to Run at 60fps, as they say, buttery smooth. if a person could not have be able to tell the difference between 24fps and 60 fps then why did they bother with project butter? there is a huge difference between the smothness of jelly bean compared to Gingerbread, or even ICS on some of the phones which cant quite handle ICS. thats why I want the games to run at 60fps...we have the technology and power with android now......

Overclock Kernel?

Hello,
I see that there's some lack of development on Kernels, I understand that device is really fast so no one bothered with it. It would be interesting to see if there's any gains on Dolphin emulator for example, where CPU is the bottleneck.
Unfortunatelly I don't have the knowledge to make a kernel to overclock the shield, but perhaps someone would like to do this?

Imagine that...
efegue said:
Hello,
I see that there's some lack of development on Kernels, I understand that device is really fast so no one bothered with it. It would be interesting to see if there's any gains on Dolphin emulator for example, where CPU is the bottleneck.
Unfortunatelly I don't have the knowledge to make a kernel to overclock the shield, but perhaps someone would like to do this?
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YES... will be great if we could have a extra power to emulate games in dolphin or maybe in play 2 emulator... Help People..

The SoC can get pretty hot already, don't know if it's a good idea. (Or maybe I didn't put enough thermal grease when I reassembled it)

Magissia said:
The SoC can get pretty hot already, don't know if it's a good idea. (Or maybe I didn't put enough thermal grease when I reassembled it)
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My shield doesn't get hot any, heck the fan doesn't even kick on because it runs so cool

Magissia said:
The SoC can get pretty hot already, don't know if it's a good idea. (Or maybe I didn't put enough thermal grease when I reassembled it)
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No, the SoC dont go that hot... just warm... and im saying playing in dolphin, not just playing videos... Maybe can be more powerful.

Bump

bumping! Some dev kernel, pls!

Don't be a begger! Also there is absolutely no reason to over clock the shield, Maybe perhaps in 2-3 years when a device stronger than the shield is released there will be reason to overclock but until then there's no reason

I agree that it'd be nice to squeeze just a little bit more out of the cpu for Dolphin. It's very very close to running Gamecube games at full speed, but not quite! CPU is the limit, not the GPU.

S7 Edge Snapdragon Overclock

Hello,
Fairly new to the entire thing but I will get straight to it.
I have a SM-G935T Snapdragon in the USA, I am looking for a kernel for overclocking the device. At the moment what I have done is what I presume is a "lite" root custom on the stock 7.0 with supersu and Flashfire. I have tried using kernel adiutor and a few other apps that let you choose different settings but nothing seems to have any substantial effects on the benchmark scores.
As a note; the s7 edge is strictly dedicated to gaming purposes, I have debloated it and it has no SIM installed, it has a battery bank case and will spend most of its time plugged in or near a wall outlet, it is being treated as a mobile gaming platform. I have a Note3 specifically for taking with me as a phone.
With that said battery life is not a concerning factor I am looking for a decent overclocked kernel for the Snapdragon version, so far all I have seen is Exynos and stuff from other countries that don't match my 935t.
I'm likely overlooking something but any help would 've appreciated, doing it manually doesn't super interest me, I'm looking for a flash and go solution for this model that isn't going to trip app security searches.
Thanks!

RegalPaw said:
Hello,
Fairly new to the entire thing but I will get straight to it.
I have a SM-G935T Snapdragon in the USA, I am looking for a kernel for overclocking the device. At the moment what I have done is what I presume is a "lite" root custom on the stock 7.0 with supersu and Flashfire. I have tried using kernel adiutor and a few other apps that let you choose different settings but nothing seems to have any substantial effects on the benchmark scores.
As a note; the s7 edge is strictly dedicated to gaming purposes, I have debloated it and it has no SIM installed, it has a battery bank case and will spend most of its time plugged in or near a wall outlet, it is being treated as a mobile gaming platform. I have a Note3 specifically for taking with me as a phone.
With that said battery life is not a concerning factor I am looking for a decent overclocked kernel for the Snapdragon version, so far all I have seen is Exynos and stuff from other countries that don't match my 935t.
I'm likely overlooking something but any help would 've appreciated, doing it manually doesn't super interest me, I'm looking for a flash and go solution for this model that isn't going to trip app security searches.
Thanks!
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I'm just going to preface things by saying benchmarks are not indicative of actual improved performance. There are numerous ways in which manufacturers can cheat benchmarks such that when you overclock you may not see improvements.
I'd suggest actually finding out if you overclocks through kernel auditor are actually working, download and run this to check if the cpu frequency maxes out at the one you set.
If the overclock is working as intended then the benchmarks are just not showing it due to other factors. More likely is that the overclock is not supported on your stock kernel so you'll need to flash a custom one with overclocking enabled,

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I appreciate the reply, the issue is that none of the apps will actually go beyond the big cores 2.1ghz and the smalls 1.6ghz. My only options that I do have are basically enabling "performance" but the cores will still throttle even when Temps are 30c. What I'm saying is I have found nothing that has given me the freedom to actually attempt over clocking at all anyway and nothing will peak the cores as they say they should, even with supersu granted.
Hopefully that makes sense.
I took a screenshot of monitoring during a benchmark, so what's interesting is sometimes I get a 3D Mark Slingshot Extreme score of 2700ish and other times, more often than not, I get 1600 and looking at the graph, the cpu is up and down and all over the place like a bouncy castle in a birthday party but it's barely going over 1.2ghz on any core even during the cpu test and there is a massively noticeable difference even in benchmark and games. I have to restart the phome, wait for several minutes, clear the ram, wait a little more and then I might get a couple of good scores but I'm thrown right back into the bouncy castle throttling. I have a screenshot but I can't post it because I can't give links with less than 10 posts.
I've tried kernel editors, they don't stick anything and read false speeds, and the integrated performance mode seems to do nothing but make it brighter and change the resolution to 1440p.

RegalPaw said:
I appreciate the reply, the issue is that none of the apps will actually go beyond the big cores 2.1ghz and the smalls 1.6ghz. My only options that I do have are basically enabling "performance" but the cores will still throttle even when Temps are 30c. What I'm saying is I have found nothing that has given me the freedom to actually attempt over clocking at all anyway and nothing will peak the cores as they say they should, even with supersu granted.
Hopefully that makes sense.
I took a screenshot of monitoring during a benchmark, so what's interesting is sometimes I get a 3D Mark Slingshot Extreme score of 2700ish and other times, more often than not, I get 1600 and looking at the graph, the cpu is up and down and all over the place like a bouncy castle in a birthday party but it's barely going over 1.2ghz on any core even during the cpu test and there is a massively noticeable difference even in benchmark and games. I have to restart the phome, wait for several minutes, clear the ram, wait a little more and then I might get a couple of good scores but I'm thrown right back into the bouncy castle throttling. I have a screenshot but I can't post it because I can't give links with less than 10 posts.
I've tried kernel editors, they don't stick anything and read false speeds, and the integrated performance mode seems to do nothing but make it brighter and change the resolution to 1440p.
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Sounds like you'll need a custom kernel. Unfortunately I'm not actually aware of any on the S7 Edge Snapdragon.

randomhkkid said:
Sounds like you'll need a custom kernel. Unfortunately I'm not actually aware of any on the S7 Edge Snapdragon.
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Thumbs up for trying, if anyone knows of a kernel I can flash I'd happily accept it, even if it's as simple as keeping the cpu from dropping all over the place.

RegalPaw said:
Thumbs up for trying, if anyone knows of a kernel I can flash I'd happily accept it, even if it's as simple as keeping the cpu from dropping all over the place.
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I may be able to help with the latter. If you are able to flash xposed and install the Wanam Xposed toolkit you can disable DVFS controls, this should help with the throttling.

This applies for overclocking when playing games only.
There's an app made by Samsung itself called 'Game Tuner'. I've checked that when i run an app through game tuner the average cpu frequency is much higher than when i run it without game tuner. Also the device get noticably warmer with game tuner. So in my knowledge this is the only way you can overclock your s7 edge without rooting

so i updated gpu drivers and...

...and it gets me some smoother framerates and around 10k more on antutu. but it could be just difference in how hot was tablet in first and second benchmarks.
i'm on oreo stock, t820 model. tried playing space marshals as it is my favourite game and without tweaks... it was unbearable.
with gpu update that you can find here on xda forums it got better. not ipad level better, but decent. still it seems like samsung didn't even try to optimize this tablet. i have read that it lags but i have no ui lag, just graphics lag an stutter, tearing and so on.
if anyone wants to give it a try just search for adreno 530 gpu update. should be on xiaomi mi mix subforum. there are two releases.
tried both and it seems that r8 gives smoother graphics but r15 does not heat up so quickly

Very interesting, thanks! Unfortunately, that's not a surprise. Samsung makes good hardware but absolutely doesn't care about the software.

And you just downloaded from the OP?

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And you just downloaded from the OP?
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That s' what he said, from

dvijetrecine said:
...and it gets me some smoother framerates and around 10k more on antutu. but it could be just difference in how hot was tablet in first and second benchmarks.
i'm on oreo stock, t820 model. tried playing space marshals as it is my favourite game and without tweaks... it was unbearable.
with gpu update that you can find here on xda forums it got better. not ipad level better, but decent. still it seems like samsung didn't even try to optimize this tablet. i have read that it lags but i have no ui lag, just graphics lag an stutter, tearing and so on.
if anyone wants to give it a try just search for adreno 530 gpu update. should be on xiaomi mi mix subforum. there are two releases.
tried both and it seems that r8 gives smoother graphics but r15 does not heat up so quickly
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Thanks for that information! It would be nice, if you optimize your thread description a little bit and inlclude a guide to setup our device, because this is a really useful Update for all tab s3 owners.
It would be also nice if you provide us your benchmark results. I attached my antutu results with the new rev 15 driver, with stock driver and with stock driver combined with magisk gpu turbo bo9st module. The new rev15 driver only gave me 120.000 points, the stock one 126.000 and combined with boost module over 142.000. So on my end the new gpu driver seems to be useless...
*update: it seems like there are huge differences in the atuntu results. Yesterday evening i got with the new rev15 driver and magisk gpu boost 112.000 points and today in the morning i tried again and i got over 170.000 points. very strange...
Thanks in advance.

Stogie87 said:
Thanks for that information! It would be nice, if you optimize your thread description a little bit and inlclude a guide to setup our device, because this is a really useful Update for all tab s3 owners.
It would be also nice if you provide us your benchmark results. I attached my antutu results with the new rev 15 driver, with stock driver and with stock driver combined with magisk gpu turbo bo9st module. The new rev15 driver only gave me 120.000 points, the stock one 126.000 and combined with boost module over 142.000. So on my end the new gpu driver seems to be useless...
*update: it seems like there are huge differences in the atuntu results. Yesterday evening i got with the new rev15 driver and magisk gpu boost 112.000 points and today in the morning i tried again and i got over 170.000 points. very strange...
Thanks in advance.
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there is no any special set up. unlock bootloader, install twrp and flash zip that you can find on xiaomi subforums. even somebody posted link in this thread.
the thing with this tablet is that it heats up quickly and throttles like nothing. no wonder you got better score in the morning. i also tried an app called L speed, you can find it on playstore, but it did nothing, just made it worse in my opinion.
this tablet had great potential, but with bad optimisation and cooling... it's apsolute joke. if i could only open it easily to add some copper for better thermal dissipation. and also a modded kernel would help bbut we have none of that

anyone can show a full details on how to install the gpu update? my devices is t825...

KY.Wong said:
anyone can show a full details on how to install the gpu update? my devices is t825...
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That's what i was previously asking for. So this is no real thread with instructions. Just an short information.
You will find the installation instructions here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-mix/development/driver-adreno-530-540-gpu-driver-t3815853