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Marshmallow 6.0.1 App permission (waking up device)

Hi all,
I have a question regarding the new app permission management in Marshmallow 6.0.1. In Lollipop (5.1.1) we used to have the option to prevent an app from waking up the device or keeping it awake. I used to uncheck that box for Google Play services as this was constantly running and eating up my battery. When I go through the new extended Marshmallow app management, I get several options that i can allow or deny (body sensors, calendars, camera, contacts, location, etc. see attached screenshot). But nowhere can I find the option to prevent the app/service from waking up or keeping the device awake.
Anyone know where I can find this or how to do this in Marshmallow?

OneTruth said:
Hi all,
I have a question regarding the new app permission management in Marshmallow 6.0.1. In Lollipop (5.1.1) we used to have the option to prevent an app from waking up the device or keeping it awake. I used to uncheck that box for Google Play services as this was constantly running and eating up my battery. When I go through the new extended Marshmallow app management, I get several options that i can allow or deny (body sensors, calendars, camera, contacts, location, etc. see attached screenshot). But nowhere can I find the option to prevent the app/service from waking up or keeping the device awake.
Anyone know where I can find this or how to do this in Marshmallow?
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Use latest package disabler for preventing apps to awake the phone or updated through Google play
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zizon65 said:
Use latest package disabler for preventing apps to awake the phone or updated through Google play
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Is that the only way for now?

That's the appropriate way I know
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zizon65 said:
That's the appropriate way I know
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What I can find in the Play Store is Package Disabler Pro (Samsung). From the description and the screenshots I see you can enable/disable apps/services. I can do that already with Titanium Backup. But I can't disable the Google Play services, I just want to keep them from waking up the device, or keeping it awake while screen is off.

OneTruth said:
What I can find in the Play Store is Package Disabler Pro (Samsung). From the description and the screenshots I see you can enable/disable apps/services. I can do that already with Titanium Backup. But I can't disable the Google Play services, I just want to keep them from waking up the device, or keeping it awake while screen is off.
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Yes but with Package Disabler Pro for Samsung you can do things, that you can't with TTB, in one word it's more powerful
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zizon65 said:
Yes but with Package Disabler Pro for Samsung you can do things, that you can't with TTB, in one word it's more powerful
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TB does what it needs to do for me, as I'm not looking for anything beyond what it can do. Just freeze apps/services I don't use and every once in a while a backup. I just need something good that can prevent an app from waking up device, just like the basic functionality we had in Lollipop in the app management section.

zizon65 said:
Yes but with Package Disabler Pro for Samsung you can do things, that you can't with TTB, in one word it's more powerful
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You're completely missing his point. He doesn't want to disable google play services, he wants to prevent it from waking up the phone.
Package Disabler Pro is more powerful than TB? I hope you're trolling.
OneTruth said:
TB does what it needs to do for me, as I'm not looking for anything beyond what it can do. Just freeze apps/services I don't use and every once in a while a backup. I just need something good that can prevent an app from waking up device, just like the basic functionality we had in Lollipop in the app management section.
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As far as I can tell, the doze feature is supposed to be in charge of preventing wakelocks and keep your phone from staying awake. So Google probably thought that denying the stay awake permission isn't needed anymore. Tbh, it denying 'stay awake' in app permissions in previous builds on android didn't do much for battery life, at least for me. Some things you could try is cleaning google play services data, and deleting google now if you dont use it.

Bhavpreet said:
You're completely missing his point. He doesn't want to disable google play services, he wants to prevent it from waking up the phone.
Package Disabler Pro is more powerful than TB? I hope you're trolling.
As far as I can tell, the doze feature is supposed to be in charge of preventing wakelocks and keep your phone from staying awake. So Google probably thought that denying the stay awake permission isn't needed anymore. Tbh, it denying 'stay awake' in app permissions in previous builds on android didn't do much for battery life, at least for me. Some things you could try is cleaning google play services data, and deleting google now if you dont use it.
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You did not understand me either! What I've said is that Package Disabler Pro not only can prevent app from waking up the phone, but can prevent such app from updated by Google play service.
I also maintain that Package Disabler Pro is more powerful than TTB in terms of preventing an app from doing anything even operating in the background.
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@Bhavpreet I think for me it did quite the thing. Before I disabled apps/services I didn't need I saw Google Play Services popping up in the battery stats a lot. Once I hit the switch and didn't allow the service to wake up the phone or keep it awake, it disappeared from the battery stats.
Currently, from what I can see in the battery stats, the play service is running 4 things:
- Google Service Framework
- Google Play Services
- Google Backup Transport
- Google Account Manager
I have the backup to cloud enabled for contacts/notes/etc. Which one of the above is safe to freeze without interfering in that process?
@zizon65 Are you talking about freezing/disabling an app? Or only stopping it from waking up the device, but leaving the service/app intact for when you manually open it?

@OneTruth it could be achieved by using xposed for the module appopsxposed though I only tested it under cm13 on another phone

zizon65 said:
You did not understand me either! What I've said is that Package Disabler Pro not only can prevent app from waking up the phone, but can prevent such app from updated by Google play service.
I also maintain that Package Disabler Pro is more powerful than TTB in terms of preventing an app from doing anything even operating in the background.
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He does not want to disable it, he just wants to stop it from waking the device. Disabling google play services effectively transforms your device into a dumb phone, whats the point?
OneTruth said:
@Bhavpreet I think for me it did quite the thing. Before I disabled apps/services I didn't need I saw Google Play Services popping up in the battery stats a lot. Once I hit the switch and didn't allow the service to wake up the phone or keep it awake, it disappeared from the battery stats.
Currently, from what I can see in the battery stats, the play service is running 4 things:
- Google Service Framework
- Google Play Services
- Google Backup Transport
- Google Account Manager
I have the backup to cloud enabled for contacts/notes/etc. Which one of the above is safe to freeze without interfering in that process?
@zizon65 Are you talking about freezing/disabling an app? Or only stopping it from waking up the device, but leaving the service/app intact for when you manually open it?
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You wont be able to remove any of those 4 services without breaking google play services as a whole afaik. I don't even use google for my backup account, but i still have backup transport eating at my battery. Google Services, on average, uses 1-4% of my battery, usually on the lower end. Like I said, clear its data and cache, give it a restart, and see if that helps. I also recommend turning off auto update in the playstore, and deleting google now data and app and reinstalling it.
Last option, and this will definitely work considering you upgraded, factory reset the device.
Also, PDP disables apps, meaning it completely gets rid of them from your device until theyre enabled again, which is not a solution to your problem.

@Bhavpreet How com this was possible in Lollipop without breaking anything? Everything was running perfectly for me, without Google Play Services ever showing up in the battery stats. So I won't be factory resetting. Clearing cache already did that, no result. Will try out @Zenroid solution.

I think this is doing the trick. Will post back with results after the next full charge.
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@OneTruth it could be achieved by using xposed for the module appopsxposed though I only tested it under cm13 on another phone
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Google eating through Sewage tank called Android System WebView. help..

Hello scholar buddies,
Yes google is eating through sewage. The Android System Webview app keeps running even when I have disabled it. It shows in the disabled apps' list, it shows disabled, but the force stop button is active time to time when I check. Yes it still runs back secretly even when disabled. This is a new sewage trick by google. Obviously for phone home stealing. How hungry one can be?
Non rooted xperia. Android 5.1.
What should I do? Any solutions?
Thanks.

Either root and delete it, or stop using that distinct browser.
Also, its not for any kind of theft. It allows your browser to display web functions which would not normally be shown due to programming limitations.

ninjasinabag said:
Either root and delete it, or stop using that distinct browser.
Also, its not for any kind of theft. It allows your browser to display web functions which would not normally be shown due to programming limitations.
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Hello buddy,
Havent rooted the phone yet, because I am waiting for a final update that will feel wholesome. Then I will root.
I have dissabled the Chrome and stock web browser, along with the Android System Webview. Isnt it suppose to keep itself dead when you have disabled it? But it wakes inside the Coffin, isnt it suspected to be definately programmed for some hidden purpose?

How did you disable apps without root?
What does 'pm list packages -d' show?

HypoTurtle said:
How did you disable apps without root?
What does 'pm list packages -d' show?
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You can still disable apps through settings even without root, right? I have that option on my Nexus 6 before I rooted.

harpin14789 said:
You can still disable apps through settings even without root, right? I have that option on my Nexus 6 before I rooted.
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Possibly; but l guess it's ROM dependant a: if there is a disable button in app settings and b: what said button actually does.
Checking the disabled apps with the pm command listed should at least show if it's been disable via the package manager.

HypoTurtle said:
How did you disable apps without root?
What does 'pm list packages -d' show?
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Yes, almost half of the system apps have 'disable' option activated without root. When apps are disabled they are totally non existant. Other apps depending upon them, either crash, or ask to install the particular needed app. No other(non-douchebag) app will pull out any disabled app. After the number one douchebag app 'Google Play services', 'Android System WebView' seems to be the douchescum sidekick.
I disabled many. All the apps obay the disabledness, except Android System WebView. It shows disabled, but poops out from time to time. After a while or the other when I check the app info, there you see the 'force stop' button is active again.

Ketansa said:
Yes, almost half of the system apps have 'disable' option activated without root. When apps are disabled they are totally non existant. Other apps depending upon them, either crash, or ask to install the particular needed app. No other(non-douchebag) app will pull out any disabled app. After the number one douchebag app 'Google Play services', 'Android System WebView' seems to be the douchescum sidekick.
I disabled many. All the apps obay the disabledness, except Android System WebView. It shows disabled, but poops out from time to time. After a while or the other when I check the app info, there you see the 'force stop' button is active again.
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It still could be that the app isn't fully disabled; perhaps the 'disable' just turns of as much services/activities as possible.
Have you checked the pm command? (You can run that in terminal without root...)

U really need to have some clear idea about webview.

HypoTurtle said:
It still could be that the app isn't fully disabled; perhaps the 'disable' just turns of as much services/activities as possible.
Have you checked the pm command? (You can run that in terminal without root...)
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Hi thank you for reply.
No I dont do how to do the pm command. Is there a link?
THank you.

Ketansa said:
Hello buddy,
Havent rooted the phone yet, because I am waiting for a final update that will feel wholesome. Then I will root.
I have dissabled the Chrome and stock web browser, along with the Android System Webview. Isnt it suppose to keep itself dead when you have disabled it? But it wakes inside the Coffin, isnt it suspected to be definately programmed for some hidden purpose?
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DON'T TOUCH IT! DONT DISABLE IT !
Let me explain why?
The WebView is the system organ that manages the application that run internet (except chrome or Firefox )it allows the app to connect with Internet.
So find the application that is culprit try : Gsam

Ketansa said:
Hi thank you for reply.
No I dont do how to do the pm command. Is there a link?
THank you.
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Terminal emulator and enter pm list packages -d to see what package manager sees as being disabled.

DevUt said:
DON'T TOUCH IT! DONT DISABLE IT !
Let me explain why?
The WebView is the system organ that manages the application that run internet (except chrome or Firefox )it allows the app to connect with Internet.
So find the application that is culprit try : Gsam
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Its a Myth.
I already DISABLED it. And all the apps run and connect fine without it.

the purpose of the app is to render webpages for apps that don't have a built-in browser. An example would be google login page, which is web based (likely for security reasons) for when you want to allow an app access to your google account. It doesn't even have its own internet permission. Nor does it have any other hidden abilities. Think of it as an HTML Viewer for modern internet implementations. Definitely not a phone home app and definitely not as douchebaggey as the rest of googles apps. here is screenshots of the apps components http://imgur.com/a/CzW8r

Ketansa said:
Its a Myth.
I already DISABLED it. And all the apps run and connect fine without it.
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This is exactly where u r wrong.

ElwOOd_CbGp said:
the purpose of the app is to render webpages for apps that don't have a built-in browser. An example would be google login page, which is web based (likely for security reasons) for when you want to allow an app access to your google account. It doesn't even have its own internet permission. Nor does it have any other hidden abilities. Think of it as an HTML Viewer for modern internet implementations. Definitely not a phone home app and definitely not as douchebaggey as the rest of googles apps. here is screenshots of the apps components http://imgur.com/a/CzW8r
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Thank you for the report )
Good wishes for you.

But there is still the question-
Why does it run anyway, even if disabled? Why this bullysh act? If I am disabling important service (according to google bots ) , then stay disabled and give me errors in the system. Why run back?
I know I am going to nail it with root, but still raising the question.

Sounds an awful lot like you are being unreasonably paranoid in a slightly uneducated fashion frankly. I have it disabled on my non-rooted phone and it would take more than a Force Stop button being non-grayed out to worry me. Rather than jumping to conclusions and displaying hysteria symptoms why don't you actually confirm that is or is not running in the running processes.
Logic. It works.
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Delete Bloat?

So, since we don't have root, any ideas on how to delete bloat?
Granted the G6 isn't TOO terrible, I've definitely seen worse. There are still a handful of apps I wouldn't mind purging.
(Seriously, Facebook pre-installed? Lolz)
Any clue? Any tip? There's only so much I can disable.

SolarisSixth said:
So, since we don't have root, any ideas on how to delete bloat?
Granted the G6 isn't TOO terrible, I've definitely seen worse. There are still a handful of apps I wouldn't mind purging.
(Seriously, Facebook pre-installed? Lolz)
Any clue? Any tip? There's only so much I can disable.
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Just got my G6 & am in the same boat. So used to Titanium Backup to de-bloat. For now I think we are stuck disabling what we can & hope root comes soon.

On my H870DS, facebook, instagram and that sort of BS was uninstallable. I got rid of them the minute I switched on the G6.

SolarisSixth said:
So, since we don't have root, any ideas on how to delete bloat?
Granted the G6 isn't TOO terrible, I've definitely seen worse. There are still a handful of apps I wouldn't mind purging.
(Seriously, Facebook pre-installed? Lolz)
Any clue? Any tip? There's only so much I can disable.
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no root no debloat..

Only got LG bloat. Still want rid

Just disable what you can for now not much else to do :/

You can disable almost everything after use a command trough adb and few other passages with This app, tested my self, in this way i had the possibility to disable QMemo+.

I have a new vs988 on the way, will try to install that Disabler right away ☺

The app Killua96 pointed to seems to work fine on my G6 VS988. I followed the instructions for a non-rooted phone. A few clarifications:
-Don't bother setting up accounts or anything other than for getting your phone on the network and then running Play Store to download the app. In my case I ended up doing a factory reset, then DL'd the app.
-After the app is installed, follow the instructions to delete accounts -- you should only see the Google account listed (you have to give it your Google credentials when you run Play Store for the app)
-Go into Settings - Applications and disable GMail. When you entered Google credentials for Play Store it automatically shoves them into GMail. The fastboot command you run from your PC will error out if GMail is running, since it will see an existing account on the phone.
-Follow the app instructions, installing the minimal ADB/fastboot, running the couple of commands from your PC.
-When done, restart your phone, re-enable GMail, add whatever accounts you want.
I've used the app to disable a bunch of bloat (duplicate SMS apps, some VZW stuff I don't use, LG Health,...)

Be aware that if you have the Verizon VS988, it has DT Ignite hidden in the system apps. Fortunately, you can disable it.

Killua96 said:
You can disable almost everything after use a command trough adb and few other passages with This app, tested my self, in this way i had the possibility to disable QMemo+.
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I'll definitely check it out, but I'm a little concerned with giving device owner permission to some 3rf party app.
Are there instructions to change the owner back to default?

SolarisSixth said:
I'll definitely check it out, but I'm a little concerned with giving device owner permission to some 3rf party app.
Are there instructions to change the owner back to default?
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You can always uninstall it

I have the unlocked G6 that I bought here in the Netherlands. I am not so bothered by the LG apps, as some of it were usable, but It's annoying that apps like evernote, Google duo, sheets and slides can be removed.

You forgot to mention the ubiquitous Fookface crap that I personally have never used nor ever will use.
And ofc Chrome.
And Hangouts.
Hmm I could be here a long time.....

Killua96 said:
You can disable almost everything after use a command trough adb and few other passages with This app, tested my self, in this way i had the possibility to disable QMemo+.
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This worked great. Thanks for sharing.
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Rooting bases question

Hi Xda !
I will receive my op6t on tuesday.
I already like the phone for his specs, and the os seems to be near to a pure os (light and fast).
The only thing is irritating me is all the apps you can't uninstall as the google suit (duo, chrome, youtube and so on).
What is the best solution to remove or completly disable those apps ? (i mean uninstall or at least disable apps icon/hidde it from the app list)
If root is the only one solution which method is the most simple one ? and the less risky from brick ?
Last one, after doing this am i able to do roms updates from official source without any problem ?
I'm under linux (debian) or can have a mac but no windows
Thanks for your time and answers.

You can simply disable the apps with no problem (no root required), and you will still receive updates.

rickysidhu_ said:
You can simply disable the apps with no problem (no root required), and you will still receive updates.
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So if i undesrtand you well all google apps and bloatware can be fully disable ? And no more icons on app list ?
I used to have an honor 9 where you were not able to disable some apps like chrome

You can disable but not uninstall without root.

wangdak said:
You can disable but not uninstall without root.
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Thank you fo your answer.
Does apps keep access to data, contacts, GPS... whatever they are allowed to do after being disabled ?

AqwelF said:
So if i undesrtand you well all google apps and bloatware can be fully disable ? And no more icons on app list ?
I used to have an honor 9 where you were not able to disable some apps like chrome
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You should be able to disable most apps without any issue. I've disabled Google Play Music, Movies and Gmail without any problems.
I think disabling is not only safer than uninstalling, but easier as as well!

Facebook System Apps

Why do we need all the Facebook apps?
I have never had a mobile phone before thats had all these additional apps installed. I have always just installed the Facebook app.
So what exactly are these needed for?
They can only be disabled and not uninstalled.

Darkat70 said:
Why do we need all the Facebook apps?
I have never had a mobile phone before thats had all these additional apps installed. I have always just installed the Facebook app.
So what exactly are these needed for?
They can only be disabled and not uninstalled.
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I call that trash just like the rest of the bloatware since i got the snapdragon version no root for me i used package disabler pro to disable that i think you can use adb as well to uninstall it

Yep its all trash, according to some Google searching it appears that Samsung and Facebook struck a deal. Which is why they are system apps. I think we should still have the option for removal though , for those who don't use Facebook.
Maybe it should have a prompt when first setting up or a clean reset asking if you would like to install Facebook.