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What's wrong with Sony's G-lens? Picture analysis

I don't have to tell you how Android phones suffer on camera SW side, but while the Z1 improved on the Z's problematic image quality, it introduced unexpected issues in optics. The G-lens is a multi-element plastic lens system, and something inside the design and arrangement causes certain areas of the image to lose sharpness, Z1 owners know this. Unfortunately, while Sony's sure to work on image quality improvements, the optics of the Z2 are unchanged, here is a picture analysis.
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This is a downsampled Z2 image taken at 8MP (Auto Mode), because it's reduced to 40% of original pixel size, it should be super sharp (and not over-sharpened) at ALL AREAS, cause if this photo is not sharp, how the full 20MP result would look?
http://www.xataka.com/galeria/xperia-z2-muestras-barcelona/2/
1) But anyways, details in the middle are quite good, highly detailed, although you can spot quite a sharpening, but tolerable at this resolution (100% crop)
2) Moving just a bit away from the middle however, and look at how the buildings, trees, construction site are all of the sudden soft and lack of accurate focus
3) The left middle side of the lens is worst, this image would be just as sharp as in the middle on a say Samesong Note 3, LG Pro 2, iPhone 5S, Lumia 1520 whatever. Remind you this is still a crop from an 8MPs image, not 20, full size would have the same amount of detail spread over 2,5 larger area!
4) The left bottom corner is... relatively sharp again? Huh?
Right now Sony has a monumental mountain to climb to make their SW for their great sensor work reliable, cause the Z1 is not, it's not too high on detail either, and is badly over-processed (sharpening, noise reduction). But even if they get it right, optical issues won't go away, something is just wrong with the G-lens that is not addressed on the Z2, which is a pity.

Really? Pixel peeping on a cameraphone?! Something like this could have easily been a fingerprint or smudge on only half of the front lens cover.

Literally every camera in existance ranging from a phone camera to a high end DSLR has this 'problem'. The corners of the image sensor is always the softest. Its not a Sony issue.

Relax man. Had a Z1 myself and the lens rather soft on the corner at times, probably due to the f2.3 apeture.
But the blur on the middle right, the guy was taking aerial photo in behind the glass of a helicopter, so blur might present due to the helicopter panel.

kantk20111 said:
Literally every camera in existance ranging from a phone camera to a high end DSLR has this 'problem'. The corners of the image sensor is always the softest. Its not a Sony issue.
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Yes it is. There is no softness around on a say iPhone 5S or Galaxy S4 Exmor RS, if the subject is sharp, the image is sharp all around. It is an undeniably crippling feature of the Z1, and apparently the Z2, and anyone with any sense of photography can spot these issues, see some Sony forums. I'm expecting a quality discussion here not "ur crazy dude, no camera is perfect homes".

BoneXDA said:
Yes it is. There is no softness around on a say iPhone 5S or Galaxy S4 Exmor RS, if the subject is sharp, the image is sharp all around. It is an undeniably crippling feature of the Z1, and apparently the Z2, and anyone with any sense of photography can spot these issues, see some Sony forums. I'm expecting a quality discussion here not "ur crazy dude, no camera is perfect homes".
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What discussion is there to have? Do you want people to agree with you and reply 'ohhh yuhh z1 camera sux' or 'sony u suck lolol'? I stated my opinion, and it's true. I'm a pretty avid photographer, I have a Nikon D7100 and have a decent eye for photography. My D7100 with the 18-105 lens has the same problems at large aperture. Granted it's not as bad as the Z1's, but the softness is still there. Large aperture lenses have softness on the corners. I guarantee you will find the same result with the 5S or S4.
I could show you pictures that came out perfectly with my Z1 as well with none of the problems you mentioned. There are a ton of reasons why you could have got that blurriness in the middle. The camera lens could've been smudged, they might've got a bad phone, or, most probably, the guy was taking pictures out of a helicopter which was moving and might have had smudges on the window?
Let's take a look at another picture in this set:http://img.xataka.com/galleries/xperia-z2-muestras-barcelona/DSC_0046.JPG
Overall, it's a bit soft, but the random blurriness you mentioned is not present. Detail is sharp at the center and fuzzy at the edges, just like any camera, but the random blurs are not there. Why? Because the picture you showed was an abnormality.

This plagued my old Z also, thought it was a smudge or lens had become scuffed but this was not the case. I thought it was an isolated problem but this is a big concern as im eyeing the Z2 (obviously)

kantk20111 said:
What discussion is there to have? Do you want people to agree with you and reply 'ohhh yuhh z1 camera sux' or 'sony u suck lolol'? I stated my opinion, and it's true. I'm a pretty avid photographer, I have a Nikon D7100 and have a decent eye for photography. My D7100 with the 18-105 lens has the same problems at large aperture. Granted it's not as bad as the Z1's, but the softness is still there. Large aperture lenses have softness on the corners. I guarantee you will find the same result with the 5S or S4.
I could show you pictures that came out perfectly with my Z1 as well with none of the problems you mentioned. There are a ton of reasons why you could have got that blurriness in the middle. The camera lens could've been smudged, they might've got a bad phone, or, most probably, the guy was taking pictures out of a helicopter which was moving and might have had smudges on the window?
Let's take a look at another picture in this set:http://img.xataka.com/galleries/xperia-z2-muestras-barcelona/DSC_0046.JPG
Overall, it's a bit soft, but the random blurriness you mentioned is not present. Detail is sharp at the center and fuzzy at the edges, just like any camera, but the random blurs are not there. Why? Because the picture you showed was an abnormality.
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I'm also a photographer, and even when using L glass (yea I have a Canon, screw you Nikon...just kidding) there will be abnormalities. The z1 takes great photos. The blur is no big deal. It is just a phone. Now if my $2,000+ lens gave me these problems...that's another story lol
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kantk20111 said:
What discussion is there to have? Do you want people to agree with you and reply 'ohhh yuhh z1 camera sux' or 'sony u suck lolol'?
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Please stop trolling my thread. This is a camera lens discussion thread. Don't reply to this.
liliha said:
This plagued my old Z also, thought it was a smudge or lens had become scuffed but this was not the case. I thought it was an isolated problem but this is a big concern as im eyeing the Z2 (obviously)
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Thank you for a reasonable response, Sony won't address the issue if ppl. play down the lens problems. Interestingly zoom lenses suffer from similar issues, but phones have fixed focal length, so there should be no softness all over the place. Unfortunately there is, I'll be looking to add full-size photos, maybe a few Z1s.

BoneXDA said:
Please stop trolling my thread. This is a camera lens discussion thread. Don't reply to this.
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...did you seriously ignore the rest of my post because of that? I wrote that to reply directly to what you said.
BoneXDA said:
"ur crazy dude, no camera is perfect homes".
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If you don't have a response to my actual argument, don't reply, and don't call me a troll.

kantk20111 said:
Literally every camera in existance ranging from a phone camera to a high end DSLR has this 'problem'.
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Nope.
The OP sample is terrible even for a phone. As for DSLRs, even the cheapest ones with a kit lens will give you amazing results compare to this.

Relayers said:
Nope.
The OP sample is terrible even for a phone. As for DSLRs, even the cheapest ones with a kit lens will give you amazing results compare to this.
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Well, obviously, but the corners/edges of an image are the softest part of the image, that's a fact. The level of softness depends on the quality of the lens, which is why it doesn't make much of a difference in DSLRs. OP's sample is very poor but probably not a problem due to the lens.

kantk20111 said:
Well, obviously, but the corners/edges of an image are the softest part of the image, that's a fact. The level of softness depends on the quality of the lens, which is why it doesn't make much of a difference in DSLRs. OP's sample is very poor but probably not a problem due to the lens.
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Its almost certainly a lens issue, maybe not all G-lenses are equal, but having read through extensive Z1 & Z1 Compact reviews, quite a few spot those soft areas. It's hard to see the software causing it, cause why are other parts sharper? But since there's a lot of noise filtering and sharpening going on, and manual and superior auto results can differ quite a bit, I can't rule that out.

BoneXDA said:
Its almost certainly a lens issue, maybe not all G-lenses are equal, but having read through extensive Z1 & Z1 Compact reviews, quite a few spot those soft areas. It's hard to see the software causing it, cause why are other parts sharper? But since there's a lot of noise filtering and sharpening going on, and manual and superior auto results can differ quite a bit, I can't rule that out.
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I took these two pictures seconds from each other, about 10 minutes ago. The blurrier one with the soft spots you mentioned was taken with Superior Auto. The sharper and brighter one was taken in manual, ISO 400 and +0.7 EV. Other than the slightly overblown whites in the manual one due to the increased EV, it's much sharper and has none of the soft spots you mentioned. I should mention that this was in reasonable low light, taken with the blinds down.
I've said this before and I'll say it again. There is nothing wrong with the G lens. The softness you mention is because of the software. Superior auto causes extreme compression as well as being very conservative with ISO levels leading to a fuzzy image. I have more examples comparing SA to manual and the trend remains. The Z1 hardware is more than capable. It is let down by a very poor auto mode.

Can you share the full-size photos?

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Can you share the full-size photos?
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http://speedyshare.com/v8u7y/DSC-0086.JPG
http://speedyshare.com/nqQhB/DSC-0087.JPG

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Can't analyze too much there, superior out choose much higher ISO (2000 vs manual's 400), of course it's softer. But the subject on my shot (city) is properly focused and sharp... in some parts, soft in others. So if you have full 20MP photos with high background details, I'd have a look at it. So far, the Z2 shows sharpness inconsistencies, will post other photos if I find them.

BoneXDA said:
Can't analyze too much there, superior out choose much higher ISO (2000 vs manual's 400), of course it's softer. But the subject on my shot (city) is properly focused and sharp... in some parts, soft in others. So if you have full 20MP photos with high background details, I'd have a look at it. So far, the Z2 shows sharpness inconsistencies, will post other photos if I find them.
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Well for that, I can say Z2's SW is still not in its stable mode, but there are parts in my mind fighting that the Z2's camera SW is the same with the current Z1's camera SW. But well, this is in 4.4 KK so we never know if Sony has done again improvements (or maybe disruptions) with the camera SW.
Expect camera SW to be the same once Z1 got its 4.4 KK. Dunno but SD801 on Z2 has dual ISP chips compared to single ones on 800 on Z1, also dunno if it is also contributing to that BIONZ for mobile "fake" better image processing.
PS: I have a Z1 and it's really great to be with Sony. Just expecting them to topple again on cameraphone making, just like what they did to K750i and K800i way way back its time.

Thank you for raising concern about the camera here.. Gonna stay and absorbing the discussion now...
While I am at it, will this lens problem affect video results as well?
Because Z2 now support 4k video recording right? Just asking because I think 4K is the future and it's nice to have a future-proof documentations..

opensourcenoob said:
Thank you for raising concern about the camera here.. Gonna stay and absorbing the discussion now...
While I am at it, will this lens problem affect video results as well?
Because Z2 now support 4k video recording right? Just asking because I think 4K is the future and it's nice to have a future-proof documentations..
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There isn't any concern

Xperia Z3 camera purple tint and lots of noise - similar to HTC One M7 issue?

Hi everyone, let me first introduce you to the infamous HTC One (M7) camera issue with purple tint. This issue arise after using the camera on the phone for some duration, creating excessive heat that ultimately destroys the camera's sensors. When taking photos in mainly dark areas, one would then see purple tint in their photos. But when taking photos in bright daylight, photos are completely normal. This became a hardware defect for many owners of the M7 that HTC refused to fix or recall. A sample of said defect:
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I was one of the victims that once owned the HTC One (M7) with the issue, so I am concerned about cameras on any of my new phones. Upon receiving my Experia Z3 earlier this week, I immediately tested the camera in dark areas, even putting my hand over the camera to see if there are any irregularities. I confirmed the normal behavior, which is a dark picture with little to no purple tint. Today, I took photos and found a fun camera app that came with the phone called AR Effects. I spent almost an hour messing around with the app and camera. My girlfriend with another Z3 (white) was doing the same, but only for a few minutes. We then took photos of the same subject to find out that my photos had noise and some purple tint around the border, while hers look perfectly normal. Both using SUPERIOR AUTO with the exact settings under all tab settings:
A comparison of GF's Z3 (top) and mine (bottom) camera on covered face down:
Screenshot from GF's Z3 with camera covered:
Screenshot from mine with camera covered:
A shot in medium lighting from GF's Z3 (full version):
Same shot using mine (full version). Notice the noise difference and a hint of purple tint around the borders:
Very lowlight shot with GF's Z3 (full version):
Same lowlight shot with mine (full version). Notice the drastic noise and purple tint:
As a result, you can clearly see that there are more noise and purple tint of some kind in darker environments on my Z3, compared to my GF's. Can we conclude that not all phones are created equal? It is either (1) I have a defective unit, or (2) Xperia Z3 has the same issue as the HTC One (long exposure to heat issue). I am going to try to do an exchange while my phone is still under warranty. But if anybody has the same issue, please share and comment in this thread. One way to test this is to turn on the camera, put it on SUPERIOR AUTO, and cover the camera (or lay it flat) in a dark space.
Let this be a known issue if it becomes a common defect.

I don't have that problem you should definitely get it replaced

I'm having same issue. My pictures are very grainy in low light and dark.
I'll try to post a screenshot
On top and bottom is red grainy.
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ex0dusk3 said:
I'm having same issue. My pictures are very grainy in low light and dark.
I'll try to post a screenshot
On top and bottom is red grainy.
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I see it does have some grainy red tint, but it is not has bad as mine. Can you please post more shots in low light with objects? Thanks!

Wow it's really bad. Try setting ISO 50 on manual, here is mine in ISO 50 covered with sweatshirt.
(Original: http://www.mediafire.com/view/fhj6nsdjrk1hjd4/2014-10-25_11.21.43.jpg)
Also a night shot:
(Original: http://www.mediafire.com/view/rr97gcl6zc3egq2/2014-10-24_19.22.03.jpg#)

Here is mine at ISO 50, manual mode (full version). You can see the noise on the sides of the photo:
Daytime photo indoor. Auto mode (full version):
Daytime photo indoor. ISO 50, manual mode (full version):

did you unlock your BL?

se1000 said:
did you unlock your BL?
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That is a good question.

se1000 said:
did you unlock your BL?
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No, I am too afraid to do any of that early this stage.

hanime said:
No, I am too afraid to do any of that early this stage.
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You should send your phone back for a replacement, that is definitely not normal!

I am sending this back for exchange. Hopefully it will work out!

I have this on my z3 compact but it seem to only appear when I shoot things that are blue in lower light without flash

I really hated this on my old m7
I guess I'll be selling my z3 soon
As soon as I see something like this on my z3, I'm selling it with my nexus 4 and buying a note 4

Mine is currently being shipped for exchange (return would cost me some restocking fees). I noticed both of our Z3s (GF and I) do not output crisp photos. It is either we are forced to use MANUAL MODE on this phone, or Z3's cameras are not sharp as other flagships. I look into some photos taken with Note 4 and Z3, and I can clearly see Note 4 photos are more crisp. :shrugs:

hanime said:
Mine is currently being shipped for exchange (return would cost me some restocking fees). I noticed both of our Z3s (GF and I) do not output crisp photos. It is either we are forced to use MANUAL MODE on this phone, or Z3's cameras are not sharp as other flagships. I look into some photos taken with Note 4 and Z3, and I can clearly see Note 4 photos are more crisp. :shrugs:
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Restocking is $50 and sadly the Note 4 and iPhones use Sony sensors and take better pics due to better cam software, hopefully Sony will fix it soon in an update. I'm keeping mine as for the most part its good.

abhinav.tella said:
Restocking is $50 and sadly the Note 4 and iPhones use Sony sensors and take better pics due to better cam software, hopefully Sony will fix it soon in an update. I'm keeping mine as for the most part its good.
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I agree. I am going to keep mine as well, hoping for an update from Sony to improve the camera software. And also, the Z3 just looks so nice!

Defective camera. You will get new XPERIA Z3.

Pink spot issue made it to Phonearena, hope Sony is listening.
Article:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Xper...t-a-pink-blotch-issue-with-the-camera_id62206

wolf0491 said:
When testing in dark places like the original post I didn't have issue. However when shooting a picture of a white wall for example you can. Also it happens on both front and back camera. Which makes me think it's software? http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/27/ebf64b1b7da397816a086d50f2248126.jpg http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/27/e2366fb5f2734b6a025be4338a2547f1.jpg
First is front cam second back.
I however don't have have problems with the things I have taken pictures of so keeping mine lol.
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The purple tint/noise from my original post and the pink spot are different issues from what I observed. The purple tint/noise is hardware related. The pink spot is probably software related, seeing that both the front and rear cameras are doing it.

wolf0491 said:
I'm in US and bought international model so warranty is obnoxious to do. Not doing it for minor pinkish. Maybe if it was worse. I honestly tool 1 picture a month with my last phone haha
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Same deal here. I bought mine from eBay. However, if you register your phone, you do have warranty in the US it seems: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3/help/sonys-warranty-buy-ebay-t2920049/post56319419

What's up with the horrible camera distortion in the corners?

I understand that the Z5 has a wider field of view than other phones, e.g. my Samsung Galaxy S5. But the problem is that the distortion in the corners is rather ridiculous.
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My spherical exercise ball looks like a f'in egg. What's the point of a wider lens if things in the corner are so badly distorted? Here's the picture in full distorted glory.
Here is a comparison with the Samsung Galaxy S5:
How do people correct for this?
Do you crop the image, correct in Photoshop, or just ignore? PTLens doesn't have lens information for any Xperia devices.

I wanted kind of the same answers and I was told to buy new phone basically... Oh well

I was gona make a thread abt this, i am also a former user of galaxy s5 ( n still use it as back up) the 16mp camera on the s5 is day and night better, my s5 atleast never had blurr watsoever, and the black was black ( specaily in dark shot) but on the z5 anything shot gotta be blurred ( well shooting 1080 gets me more details when i zoom than the 23mp stillshots) oh and in dark stillshots u gota have the blueish black. Seriously sony ?
Am not a photographer by any means or really use my fone to take lots of pics , but u kno when u get a good scene that u have to atleast take one pic for good memories? Well the z5 fails u big time.
Ps i dont have any kind of distortion on my z5, however the noise and the blurr ruin the whole 23mp thingy, manual mode is a joke bcuz the camera just goes crazy in 1st place if there is anything black or blue in dark shots

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Are you sure you don't have any kind of distortion on your Z5? Try taking a picture of a row of windows that looks like a grid (like this), and see what you get.

I ran a monitor test and took a photo of that.
Is the result bad enough to ask for a replacement Z5 or should I just accept it as a feature?

Apparently i didnt play with camera as much u hence i never noticed the distortion, yes i can confirm that i have the same distortion on every corner of the camera, its even visible without taking a picture. Is this how the wider lens should be ? As i dont think all our z5 cameras r broken

I noticed the distortion as soon as I took my first picture. It really bothers me. On top of that you can see how black objects come out blue in low light. Very disappointed. The front right stove burner is considerably smaller than that back left. In one picture they look the same size.
You can see in the first picture the actual size of the furthest burners. The closest two are the same difference in size from one another. They look the same.

I would say there is nothing that cant be fixed with a firmware update from sony as i dont think the camera is the problem here but rather its firmware

As a DLSR photographer, this is the kind of thing you get with such a wide angle lens--it requires very large and expensive lenses to get around (like the Canon L series) so I wouldn't worry about it. If it bothers you that much, then take a picture in the 8MP mode and zoom in so the phone crops out the corners.
Alternatively, you can profile the distortion of the lens and then apply correction in post-processing, but day-to-day shots don't warrant this level of obsession.

More pictures of Z5 corner distortion
sovanyio said:
As a DLSR photographer, this is the kind of thing you get with such a wide angle lens--it requires very large and expensive lenses to get around (like the Canon L series) so I wouldn't worry about it. If it bothers you that much, then take a picture in the 8MP mode and zoom in so the phone crops out the corners.
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Doing that every time I take a picture is a pain and defeats the purpose of having a dedicated camera key to take photos fast.
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Alternatively, you can profile the distortion of the lens and then apply correction in post-processing,
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I've done that sort of thing for regular camera pictures, but my question is:
With this much processor power in the phone, why doesn't it automatically apply this correction? If you say "for performance", I'll counter with:
the camera's hardware could have highly optimized code for correcting the distortion, since its parameters are known
correction could be queued and done by software after the photos are taken
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but day-to-day shots don't warrant this level of obsession.
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Fair enough, unless ordinary shots look downright comical. I've had smartphones before and am aware of the problem (see my comparison with the S5 above), but it never really bothered me. With the Z5, it does. The distortion is kind of "in your face", and not easy to ignore. Make the pictures look badly Photoshopped:
Try taking a picture of a group of people and it will look closer to the last pic from the page.
Anyway, here are more Z5 shots illustrating the distortion. This one shows both the pincushion and left-side blur:

dandv said:
Doing that every time I take a picture is a pain and defeats the purpose of having a dedicated camera key to take photos fast.
I've done that sort of thing for regular camera pictures, but my question is:
With this much processor power in the phone, why doesn't it automatically apply this correction? If you say "for performance", I'll counter with:
the camera's hardware could have highly optimized code for correcting the distortion, since its parameters are known
correction could be queued and done by software after the photos are taken
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I, for one, prefer that my original shots are not processed beyond the camera's noise reduction algorithms. But its a fair point, they could enable this in settings. But that would require user configuration since each phone/lens combination will have unique lens calibration values--something that is probably too top heavy for the manufacturing process.

The thing that bothers me the most is the blue tint on the edges of photos in low light. What is up with that?
Also, if I cover the lens entirely with my hand and take a photo of the blackness, there is heavy blue tint on the edges, particularly on the left side..

xevious_ said:
The thing that bothers me the most is the blue tint on the edges of photos in low light. What is up with that?
Also, if I cover the lens entirely with my hand and take a photo of the blackness, there is heavy blue tint on the edges, particularly on the left side..
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I, too, left side blue, wants to try to change the camera module.

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I, too, left side blue, wants to try to change the camera module.
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It's call "left hand blur issue".no word from Sony regarding this!!!!!it's a hardware issue on most of
The z5 families..only option is to change the camera module..

dandv said:
I understand that the Z5 has a wider field of view than other phones, e.g. my Samsung Galaxy S5. But the problem is that the distortion in the corners is rather ridiculous.
My spherical exercise ball looks like a f'in egg. What's the point of a wider lens if things in the corner are so badly distorted? Here's the picture in full distorted glory.
Here is a comparison with the Samsung Galaxy S5:
How do people correct for this?
Do you crop the image, correct in Photoshop, or just ignore? PTLens doesn't have lens information for any Xperia devices.
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Common on all lenses, even $5,000 and upward lenses have more blur at the edges than the centre. Worse on wide angle lenses.
I am guessing the Sony Lens is;
1. A faster lens (f stops)
2. Wider angle.
Yep and yep on both counts, sure enough
Z5 23 MP, f/2.0, 24mm
16 MP, f/2.2, 31mm

dodo1515 said:
It's call "left hand blur issue".no word from Sony regarding this!!!!!it's a hardware issue on most of
The z5 families..only option is to change the camera module..
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How do you go about changing the camera module? Do I have to get a replacement phone?

xevious_ said:
How do you go about changing the camera module? Do I have to get a replacement phone?
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Check those links for your answer:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/general/sony-mobile-problems-camera-z5-family-t3262292
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/general/im-doing-tally-z5-series-affected-left-t3242302

dodo1515 said:
Check those links for your answer:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/general/sony-mobile-problems-camera-z5-family-t3262292
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/general/im-doing-tally-z5-series-affected-left-t3242302
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I am in the USA (New York), so I don't think there's any service center I can visit for this blue tint issue..

xevious_ said:
I am in the USA (New York), so I don't think there's any service center I can visit for this blue tint issue..
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Me too l can't return it l have both z5 and premium with the same issue..
L'm just hoping that it's can be adjusted with a software update...

vyshgorado said:
I, too, left side blue, wants to try to change the camera module.
dodo1515 said:
It's call "left hand blur issue".no word from Sony regarding this!!!!!it's a hardware issue on most of
The z5 families..only option is to change the camera module..
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The blue color at the edges in dark shots is perfectly avoidable by using manual mode with the night scene program. It occurs mainly in superior auto.
It has nothing to do with blur of any kind. It's failed post processing I think.

Blurry text scrolling - bad display response time?

Have anyone noticed that scrolling text looks a bit blurry? i compared this phone with other phones in my household and none of them have this issue. You can see the similar problem by other people right here :
https://www.reddit.com/r/Xiaomi/com..._medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=Xiaomi
I noticed this while scrolling in twitter for longer periods of time and i would get a bit dizzy because of the blurriness. I would like to know if this is a software related issue or hardware.

matt_galaxygio said:
Have anyone noticed that scrolling text looks a bit blurry? i compared this phone with other phones in my household and none of them have this issue. You can see the similar problem by other people right here :
https://www.reddit.com/r/Xiaomi/com..._medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=Xiaomi
I noticed this while scrolling in twitter for longer periods of time and i would get a bit dizzy because of the blurriness. I would like to know if this is a software related issue or hardware.
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This is the reason I sold my mi a1 and stuck with the oneplus 5.
The screen is very cheap, and I'm very disappointed that Xiaomi chose to do this.
The Mi Max 2 and Note 4 I have do not have slow response times like the a1. This is worse than even Sony phones.
I'm not a person who takes photos, so everything else about the device was perfect, aside from the poor screen quality.
Looking more likely that I go back to the mi Max 2 when kernel sources are released and they port this ROM over to it.

I wouldn't say its blurry but it does lag sometimes ..noticed on facebook and browsing, plus pinch to zoom is really slow

Yes, the pixel response time is very bad on this phone, and will be the reason I won't keep it. Moving objects become very blurry.

Solution
I guess it's the cheap oleophobic coating which is interfering with the display. I rubbed it off with a damp cloth and now the display is more vibrant and quite comfortable to view.

ImagineerX said:
I guess it's the cheap oleophobic coating which is interfering with the display. I rubbed it off with a damp cloth and now the display is more vibrant and quite comfortable to view.
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I think it is not the oleophobic coating. I compared it to my mi 4 the difference is very noticable. That's why i sold it back lol since using it for longer period of time makes my head dizzy.

Do you think that this issue is a deal breaker ?

Not for me but the multi touch sensitivity is starting to get annoying
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gougous3 said:
Do you think that this issue is a deal breaker ?
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For me, yes it is. Because i'm very picky about display quality lol. When i get my sister to use the mi a1, she didn't notice it. So, i suggest you see the phone first and try it for yourself before buying if it is available offline. This issue maybe only affected a number of people, but so far i don't really know if this is a widespread issue or just a defect on certain units.

LTPS screen is bad. I kinda regret that Xiaomi use this kind of screen. Even my previous Redmi Note 4x has a better screen quality than Mi A1. Apart from the screen quality,Mi A1 has a lot of software issues. I hope the next update will fix all those issues. This phone will be my last Xiaomi phone.

istrikerx said:
This is the reason I sold my mi a1 and stuck with the oneplus 5.
The screen is very cheap, and I'm very disappointed that Xiaomi chose to do this.
The Mi Max 2 and Note 4 I have do not have slow response times like the a1. This is worse than even Sony phones.
I'm not a person who takes photos, so everything else about the device was perfect, aside from the poor screen quality.
Looking more likely that I go back to the mi Max 2 when kernel sources are released and they port this ROM over to it.
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What are you talking about? The screen is very good for the price range. And I don´t have any problem with blurry text.

@matt_galaxygio I'll see if I can try it first then but, is the screen really that bad ? I'm also quite skeptical when it comes to screens but I can't get a good grasp on this one.
I mean, I've seen quite modest/decent screens at this price range before but not from Xiaomi (from what I see on the videos they all seem washed out, packing a crappy contrast and quite dark). I've got to try a Moto G4 and found it to be pretty nice, for example. How do you think it compares to A1 ?

According to every review I've read (and I've read and watched a good dozen) the screen is very good for this price range and even for a phone more expensive. See gsmarena, androidcentral, androidpolice, slashgear etc. I haven't noticed any of the problems that are being mentioned here and can only suspect you have defective units

gougous3 said:
@matt_galaxygio I'll see if I can try it first then but, is the screen really that bad ? I'm also quite skeptical when it comes to screens but I can't get a good grasp on this one.
I mean, I've seen quite modest/decent screens at this price range before but not from Xiaomi (from what I see on the videos they all seem washed out, packing a crappy contrast and quite dark). I've got to try a Moto G4 and found it to be pretty nice, for example. How do you think it compares to A1 ?
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Crappy contrast???
https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_mi_a1-review-1668p3.php

@jlmcr87, @antimatter.web I wasn't talking about the A1 but about other xiaomi devices in this price range. However I'm still sure it isn't THAT good anyway. Also,
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@jlmcr87, @antimatter.web I wasn't talking about the A1 but about other xiaomi devices in this price range. However I'm still sure it isn't THAT good anyway. Also,
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Maybe the videos you have seen are crappy, rather than the screens? I prefer to take the opinion of a reputable review site (or rather the combined opinions of reputable review sites) over an xyz Youtube video. No offense meant

Well I'm just going to say that compared with Redmi Note 3, I like more the screen of A1, it's screen is more warmer then the Note 3 screen.

gougous3 said:
@matt_galaxygio I'll see if I can try it first then but, is the screen really that bad ? I'm also quite skeptical when it comes to screens but I can't get a good grasp on this one.
I mean, I've seen quite modest/decent screens at this price range before but not from Xiaomi (from what I see on the videos they all seem washed out, packing a crappy contrast and quite dark). I've got to try a Moto G4 and found it to be pretty nice, for example. How do you think it compares to A1 ?
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It was pretty decent actually, nice contrast ratio but the color reproduction is pretty standard (not too saturated). I already have galaxy a3 17 with super amoled screen so yeah the amoled wins in color vividness despite the color inaccuracy sometimes. Xiaomi phones with miui have extra setting for the display color and contrast. In my experience, with miui roms the screen looks better color wise and you can change the screen temperature. Mi A1 does not have that settings so the screen has a cool temp (more towards blue). Me personally i like warmer screen -> easier on the eye. Haven't tried moto so can't give you comment about that.
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According to every review I've read (and I've read and watched a good dozen) the screen is very good for this price range and even for a phone more expensive. See gsmarena, androidcentral, androidpolice, slashgear etc. I haven't noticed any of the problems that are being mentioned here and can only suspect you have defective units
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Yes that might be the case but i'm not the only one with the defect as far as i know. The screen itself aside from my blurry problem is actually pretty good, decent contrast, neutral colors, great pixel density. Not all people can notice this so i guess i'm just sensitive with the screen response time. I already sold the phone haha so it's not a problem for me.

matt_galaxygio said:
Mi A1 does not have that settings so the screen has a cool temp (more towards blue). Me personally i like warmer screen -> easier on the eye. Haven't tried moto so can't give you comment about that.
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Actually I think the A1 has more warmer screen Compared to my Redmi Note 3 and Nexus 5 it's much warmer.

Do any of you guys know if this is happening to the 5X as well ?

Quality feel (use of materials)

Rate this thread to express how you think the OPPO Find X2 Pro feels in terms of quality. A higher rating indicates that it feels premium and high-quality (attention to detail is high, manufacturing defects don't exist, etc).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

OIS rattle
Since a couple of days I am using the Find X2 Pro and so far so good. Overall the quality feels nicely to the hand. Especially the ceramic back.
There is just one thing that bothers me. Yes, I know, the phone has OIS within its camera but compared to other phones the rattling noise of the stabilization is pretty loud.
For example, as long as you don't use the 5x, 10x zoom, you hear the sensor rattling during you move the phone gently. If you turn or shake thee phone a bit. Also you can hear a buzzing sound out of the earpiece when the zoom function is activated.
But mainly I am wondering if the loudness of this is normal. For me it is too loud. I have other brands like an iPhone, Realme and Xiaomi to compare, all of them with OIS but much much more quiet. I don't have to shake the phone. It is enough to hear a one time "click" noise when I put the phone on the table, or if if I slightly turn it during using the camera to make snapshot.
To all owners, do you have the same noise?
PS: I know that it is normal that an OIS sensor is rattling if you shake the phone. But I am also talking about a slight movement of the phone.

Man I have the X2 and it is perfect except for one thing. Can't do group text messages comes back as separate this is so aggravating and it makes it to where I really can't use it because I need it for work

What I found out is, that it is the telescope camera. If you turn the phone from the front to the back and look carefully, you can see how the lens is falling withing its housing. I am just wondering if it is normal or if there is maybe a little bit too big of a tolerance within my unit.

Ceramic back feels nice, but don't be fooled by the 'not slippy' claims seen online, its still relatively slippy to hold. Looking forward to getting a decent case on it (currently using the one from the box)

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Ceramic back feels nice, but don't be fooled by the 'not slippy' claims seen online, its still relatively slippy to hold. Looking forward to getting a decent case on it (currently using the one from the box)
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it is definitely slippery but feels quite nice without a case, what case did you end up getting?

stevemagg said:
Since a couple of days I am using the Find X2 Pro and so far so good. Overall the quality feels nicely to the hand. Especially the ceramic back.
There is just one thing that bothers me. Yes, I know, the phone has OIS within its camera but compared to other phones the rattling noise of the stabilization is pretty loud.
For example, as long as you don't use the 5x, 10x zoom, you hear the sensor rattling during you move the phone gently. If you turn or shake thee phone a bit. Also you can hear a buzzing sound out of the earpiece when the zoom function is activated.
But mainly I am wondering if the loudness of this is normal. For me it is too loud. I have other brands like an iPhone, Realme and Xiaomi to compare, all of them with OIS but much much more quiet. I don't have to shake the phone. It is enough to hear a one time "click" noise when I put the phone on the table, or if if I slightly turn it during using the camera to make snapshot.
To all owners, do you have the same noise?
PS: I know that it is normal that an OIS sensor is rattling if you shake the phone. But I am also talking about a slight movement of the phone.
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Don't shake your phone ?

Galaxy S20 Ultra is worse.............

I have the Vegan Orange version. Looks really nice and it also feels good in your hands. I have had many smartphones & this is my 1st with a soft to touch back. I also dig the position of the power button on the right & the vokume on the left.
My only gripe is that while the phone is billed as having water resistance...the orange back is not too keen to encounter water... Every time it encounters water & i do not dry it quick i will get 'pimples' on the orange back.
I have 2 units and both suffer from the same issue so i am pretty sure it is not a defective unit. The 'pimples' will eventually go away after some time but it surely annoys the hell out of me considering this is a flagship phone.
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Quality of build on review out of the box is excellent and have had no issues after a weeks worth of use. Previously used the Mate 20 Pro and P30 Pro and build in definitely on par with those. I have the Ceramic Black and agree with those comments above that at this size grip is still a little slippery. Using the included case until i find a third party one.

stevemagg said:
Since a couple of days I am using the Find X2 Pro and so far so good. Overall the quality feels nicely to the hand. Especially the ceramic back.
There is just one thing that bothers me. Yes, I know, the phone has OIS within its camera but compared to other phones the rattling noise of the stabilization is pretty loud.
For example, as long as you don't use the 5x, 10x zoom, you hear the sensor rattling during you move the phone gently. If you turn or shake thee phone a bit. Also you can hear a buzzing sound out of the earpiece when the zoom function is activated.
But mainly I am wondering if the loudness of this is normal. For me it is too loud. I have other brands like an iPhone, Realme and Xiaomi to compare, all of them with OIS but much much more quiet. I don't have to shake the phone. It is enough to hear a one time "click" noise when I put the phone on the table, or if if I slightly turn it during using the camera to make snapshot.
To all owners, do you have the same noise?
PS: I know that it is normal that an OIS sensor is rattling if you shake the phone. But I am also talking about a slight movement of the phone.
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@stevemagg
I had exactly the same problem as you... also that rattle and the buzzing sound! If the clatter is very loud, it is not normal! After 14 days of use, the rattling suddenly became so loud that with the slightest movement one thought that a screw was jingling through the device. After endless discussions with the terrible support and twice sending it to the workshop, the camera was changed. lo and behold, the clatter is gone! So again, if it rattles loudly without strong shaking, it is NOT normal!

Try the Samsung S20 Ultra and let me know.....
The noise of the Samsung is louder than Oppo

dgardel said:
Try the Samsung S20 Ultra and let me know.....
The noise of the Samsung is louder than Oppo
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How do you want to know how loud the noise is on our devices? As I said ... after replacing the camera it is back to normal. But before that it was not normal and so it seems to be at stevemagg at the moment.

syed73 said:
I have the Vegan Orange version. Looks really nice and it also feels good in your hands. I have had many smartphones & this is my 1st with a soft to touch back. I also dig the position of the power button on the right & the vokume on the left.
My only gripe is that while the phone is billed as having water resistance...the orange back is not too keen to encounter water... Every time it encounters water & i do not dry it quick i will get 'pimples' on the orange back.
I have 2 units and both suffer from the same issue so i am pretty sure it is not a defective unit. The 'pimples' will eventually go away after some time but it surely annoys the hell out of me considering this is a flagship phone.
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Yeah I have the same version. The pimples are not a good look at all.

So is the leather strong assuming it's stuck to a plastic panel or something? It's the ceramic easily broken like glass?

Hi
Just took delivery of the Oppo Find X2 Pro in Monday past (Ceramic version) First Oppo phone coming from Huawei.
Very well made and love the screen but battery life seems mediocre so far.

Feels very premium. All €1000+ phones should use materials like ceramic/aluminium/stainless steel/titanium/sapphire etc. I have the ceramic one of course. Main problem doesnt matter what's made of. What I feel in hand is the £2 silicone case that the phone came with