I don't have to tell you how Android phones suffer on camera SW side, but while the Z1 improved on the Z's problematic image quality, it introduced unexpected issues in optics. The G-lens is a multi-element plastic lens system, and something inside the design and arrangement causes certain areas of the image to lose sharpness, Z1 owners know this. Unfortunately, while Sony's sure to work on image quality improvements, the optics of the Z2 are unchanged, here is a picture analysis.
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This is a downsampled Z2 image taken at 8MP (Auto Mode), because it's reduced to 40% of original pixel size, it should be super sharp (and not over-sharpened) at ALL AREAS, cause if this photo is not sharp, how the full 20MP result would look?
http://www.xataka.com/galeria/xperia-z2-muestras-barcelona/2/
1) But anyways, details in the middle are quite good, highly detailed, although you can spot quite a sharpening, but tolerable at this resolution (100% crop)
2) Moving just a bit away from the middle however, and look at how the buildings, trees, construction site are all of the sudden soft and lack of accurate focus
3) The left middle side of the lens is worst, this image would be just as sharp as in the middle on a say Samesong Note 3, LG Pro 2, iPhone 5S, Lumia 1520 whatever. Remind you this is still a crop from an 8MPs image, not 20, full size would have the same amount of detail spread over 2,5 larger area!
4) The left bottom corner is... relatively sharp again? Huh?
Right now Sony has a monumental mountain to climb to make their SW for their great sensor work reliable, cause the Z1 is not, it's not too high on detail either, and is badly over-processed (sharpening, noise reduction). But even if they get it right, optical issues won't go away, something is just wrong with the G-lens that is not addressed on the Z2, which is a pity.
Really? Pixel peeping on a cameraphone?! Something like this could have easily been a fingerprint or smudge on only half of the front lens cover.
Literally every camera in existance ranging from a phone camera to a high end DSLR has this 'problem'. The corners of the image sensor is always the softest. Its not a Sony issue.
Relax man. Had a Z1 myself and the lens rather soft on the corner at times, probably due to the f2.3 apeture.
But the blur on the middle right, the guy was taking aerial photo in behind the glass of a helicopter, so blur might present due to the helicopter panel.
kantk20111 said:
Literally every camera in existance ranging from a phone camera to a high end DSLR has this 'problem'. The corners of the image sensor is always the softest. Its not a Sony issue.
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Yes it is. There is no softness around on a say iPhone 5S or Galaxy S4 Exmor RS, if the subject is sharp, the image is sharp all around. It is an undeniably crippling feature of the Z1, and apparently the Z2, and anyone with any sense of photography can spot these issues, see some Sony forums. I'm expecting a quality discussion here not "ur crazy dude, no camera is perfect homes".
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Yes it is. There is no softness around on a say iPhone 5S or Galaxy S4 Exmor RS, if the subject is sharp, the image is sharp all around. It is an undeniably crippling feature of the Z1, and apparently the Z2, and anyone with any sense of photography can spot these issues, see some Sony forums. I'm expecting a quality discussion here not "ur crazy dude, no camera is perfect homes".
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What discussion is there to have? Do you want people to agree with you and reply 'ohhh yuhh z1 camera sux' or 'sony u suck lolol'? I stated my opinion, and it's true. I'm a pretty avid photographer, I have a Nikon D7100 and have a decent eye for photography. My D7100 with the 18-105 lens has the same problems at large aperture. Granted it's not as bad as the Z1's, but the softness is still there. Large aperture lenses have softness on the corners. I guarantee you will find the same result with the 5S or S4.
I could show you pictures that came out perfectly with my Z1 as well with none of the problems you mentioned. There are a ton of reasons why you could have got that blurriness in the middle. The camera lens could've been smudged, they might've got a bad phone, or, most probably, the guy was taking pictures out of a helicopter which was moving and might have had smudges on the window?
Let's take a look at another picture in this set:http://img.xataka.com/galleries/xperia-z2-muestras-barcelona/DSC_0046.JPG
Overall, it's a bit soft, but the random blurriness you mentioned is not present. Detail is sharp at the center and fuzzy at the edges, just like any camera, but the random blurs are not there. Why? Because the picture you showed was an abnormality.
This plagued my old Z also, thought it was a smudge or lens had become scuffed but this was not the case. I thought it was an isolated problem but this is a big concern as im eyeing the Z2 (obviously)
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What discussion is there to have? Do you want people to agree with you and reply 'ohhh yuhh z1 camera sux' or 'sony u suck lolol'? I stated my opinion, and it's true. I'm a pretty avid photographer, I have a Nikon D7100 and have a decent eye for photography. My D7100 with the 18-105 lens has the same problems at large aperture. Granted it's not as bad as the Z1's, but the softness is still there. Large aperture lenses have softness on the corners. I guarantee you will find the same result with the 5S or S4.
I could show you pictures that came out perfectly with my Z1 as well with none of the problems you mentioned. There are a ton of reasons why you could have got that blurriness in the middle. The camera lens could've been smudged, they might've got a bad phone, or, most probably, the guy was taking pictures out of a helicopter which was moving and might have had smudges on the window?
Let's take a look at another picture in this set:http://img.xataka.com/galleries/xperia-z2-muestras-barcelona/DSC_0046.JPG
Overall, it's a bit soft, but the random blurriness you mentioned is not present. Detail is sharp at the center and fuzzy at the edges, just like any camera, but the random blurs are not there. Why? Because the picture you showed was an abnormality.
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I'm also a photographer, and even when using L glass (yea I have a Canon, screw you Nikon...just kidding) there will be abnormalities. The z1 takes great photos. The blur is no big deal. It is just a phone. Now if my $2,000+ lens gave me these problems...that's another story lol
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What discussion is there to have? Do you want people to agree with you and reply 'ohhh yuhh z1 camera sux' or 'sony u suck lolol'?
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Please stop trolling my thread. This is a camera lens discussion thread. Don't reply to this.
liliha said:
This plagued my old Z also, thought it was a smudge or lens had become scuffed but this was not the case. I thought it was an isolated problem but this is a big concern as im eyeing the Z2 (obviously)
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Thank you for a reasonable response, Sony won't address the issue if ppl. play down the lens problems. Interestingly zoom lenses suffer from similar issues, but phones have fixed focal length, so there should be no softness all over the place. Unfortunately there is, I'll be looking to add full-size photos, maybe a few Z1s.
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Please stop trolling my thread. This is a camera lens discussion thread. Don't reply to this.
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...did you seriously ignore the rest of my post because of that? I wrote that to reply directly to what you said.
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"ur crazy dude, no camera is perfect homes".
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If you don't have a response to my actual argument, don't reply, and don't call me a troll.
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Literally every camera in existance ranging from a phone camera to a high end DSLR has this 'problem'.
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Nope.
The OP sample is terrible even for a phone. As for DSLRs, even the cheapest ones with a kit lens will give you amazing results compare to this.
Relayers said:
Nope.
The OP sample is terrible even for a phone. As for DSLRs, even the cheapest ones with a kit lens will give you amazing results compare to this.
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Well, obviously, but the corners/edges of an image are the softest part of the image, that's a fact. The level of softness depends on the quality of the lens, which is why it doesn't make much of a difference in DSLRs. OP's sample is very poor but probably not a problem due to the lens.
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Well, obviously, but the corners/edges of an image are the softest part of the image, that's a fact. The level of softness depends on the quality of the lens, which is why it doesn't make much of a difference in DSLRs. OP's sample is very poor but probably not a problem due to the lens.
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Its almost certainly a lens issue, maybe not all G-lenses are equal, but having read through extensive Z1 & Z1 Compact reviews, quite a few spot those soft areas. It's hard to see the software causing it, cause why are other parts sharper? But since there's a lot of noise filtering and sharpening going on, and manual and superior auto results can differ quite a bit, I can't rule that out.
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Its almost certainly a lens issue, maybe not all G-lenses are equal, but having read through extensive Z1 & Z1 Compact reviews, quite a few spot those soft areas. It's hard to see the software causing it, cause why are other parts sharper? But since there's a lot of noise filtering and sharpening going on, and manual and superior auto results can differ quite a bit, I can't rule that out.
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I took these two pictures seconds from each other, about 10 minutes ago. The blurrier one with the soft spots you mentioned was taken with Superior Auto. The sharper and brighter one was taken in manual, ISO 400 and +0.7 EV. Other than the slightly overblown whites in the manual one due to the increased EV, it's much sharper and has none of the soft spots you mentioned. I should mention that this was in reasonable low light, taken with the blinds down.
I've said this before and I'll say it again. There is nothing wrong with the G lens. The softness you mention is because of the software. Superior auto causes extreme compression as well as being very conservative with ISO levels leading to a fuzzy image. I have more examples comparing SA to manual and the trend remains. The Z1 hardware is more than capable. It is let down by a very poor auto mode.
Can you share the full-size photos?
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Can you share the full-size photos?
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Can't analyze too much there, superior out choose much higher ISO (2000 vs manual's 400), of course it's softer. But the subject on my shot (city) is properly focused and sharp... in some parts, soft in others. So if you have full 20MP photos with high background details, I'd have a look at it. So far, the Z2 shows sharpness inconsistencies, will post other photos if I find them.
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Can't analyze too much there, superior out choose much higher ISO (2000 vs manual's 400), of course it's softer. But the subject on my shot (city) is properly focused and sharp... in some parts, soft in others. So if you have full 20MP photos with high background details, I'd have a look at it. So far, the Z2 shows sharpness inconsistencies, will post other photos if I find them.
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Well for that, I can say Z2's SW is still not in its stable mode, but there are parts in my mind fighting that the Z2's camera SW is the same with the current Z1's camera SW. But well, this is in 4.4 KK so we never know if Sony has done again improvements (or maybe disruptions) with the camera SW.
Expect camera SW to be the same once Z1 got its 4.4 KK. Dunno but SD801 on Z2 has dual ISP chips compared to single ones on 800 on Z1, also dunno if it is also contributing to that BIONZ for mobile "fake" better image processing.
PS: I have a Z1 and it's really great to be with Sony. Just expecting them to topple again on cameraphone making, just like what they did to K750i and K800i way way back its time.
Thank you for raising concern about the camera here.. Gonna stay and absorbing the discussion now...
While I am at it, will this lens problem affect video results as well?
Because Z2 now support 4k video recording right? Just asking because I think 4K is the future and it's nice to have a future-proof documentations..
opensourcenoob said:
Thank you for raising concern about the camera here.. Gonna stay and absorbing the discussion now...
While I am at it, will this lens problem affect video results as well?
Because Z2 now support 4k video recording right? Just asking because I think 4K is the future and it's nice to have a future-proof documentations..
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I searched for a camera fix for the HD camera with no success. Does anyone know if there's going to be a fix in the near future? I'm sure that ya'll have the same problem that I do. Camera takes pictures that look old & rustic. Brownish tint to them & not very sharp for a 5 MP camera. I have adjusted all the settings for light & junk but nothing fixes it. As far as I'm concerned, it should take pictures IDENTICAL to a normal 5 MP digital camera. I can promise you that it's not doing that. Any help would be great, thanks in advance.
Vampire2800 said:
I searched for a camera fix for the HD camera with no success. Does anyone know if there's going to be a fix in the near future? I'm sure that ya'll have the same problem that I do. Camera takes pictures that look old & rustic. Brownish tint to them & not very sharp for a 5 MP camera. I have adjusted all the settings for light & junk but nothing fixes it. As far as I'm concerned, it should take pictures IDENTICAL to a normal 5 MP digital camera. I can promise you that it's not doing that. Any help would be great, thanks in advance.
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Why should it take pictures identical to a 5MP camera. The lens on the front is going to be vastly different, the sensor maybe 5MP, but what is the spacing on the sensor pixels? The closer together, the noisier the image. Colour balance will be down to the sensor too.
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I'm not talking about the front camera. The normal camera on the back. I understand about the pixel thing, but it still shouldn't be so brownish, right? The pictures look like an old Polaroid picture. You know, the one's that spit the picture out as soon as you took it. Old, brown & nasty looking.
My pictures come out fine...
Hmmmmmmm...................... I'll just keep playing with it.
Vampire2800 said:
I'm not talking about the front camera. The normal camera on the back. I understand about the pixel thing, but it still shouldn't be so brownish, right? The pictures look like an old Polaroid picture. You know, the one's that spit the picture out as soon as you took it. Old, brown & nasty looking.
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I'm not being flippant, but is it possible you might have a dirty lens?
Lol, that was the first thing I tried. Cleaned both sides of the back cover & cleaned the lens on the camera. Good idea, though.
The "5mp" doesn't really mean much, as stated earlier, if the sensor and lens are poor quality. As far as I know, HTC haven't released a phone with a reasonable quality camera, yet.
I bounce between different smart-phones (just coming back to WM now, after a year with S60). I can say that many of the S60 devices (in particular the Nokia N95, but also the N82 with Xenon flash) have very good cameras, being similar to low-end digital cameras in daylight. They lack optical zoom and tend to over-compress images, but have good quality lenses.
imho hd camera is excelent
pictures look old & rustic only if you make them inside house without using the artificial light setting, and this is also a general rule, not specific to HD.
Never seen a good phone camera yet, including the latest 8mpixel ones. They're all terrible.
Never
This camera will NEVER take pictures anywhere near what real cameras do. The photo sites are so tiny, they are smaller then the length of waive of light. Therefore noise, lack of dynamic width, etc. No patch will ever fix that. Sorry
open back cover , clean the lens , you will see a huge difference in quality
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Lol, that was the first thing I tried. Cleaned both sides of the back cover & cleaned the lens on the camera. Good idea, though.
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Not that I'm doubting you or anything but you do realize that the back cover only has a hole through to the lens?
You might try setting the brightness higher:
If you touch the small rectangle near the bottom right side of the screen (when holding landscape)
Then select the gear symbol, then select brightness from the menu and hit the "+" until it looks better that will remove most of the darkness.
The camera is a plain disappointment. In the time the camera autofocusses, I could have bought a Sony Ericsson C905's, create a good looking photo (with xenon flash) and upload it to imageshack.
If 'your object' makes the slightest move, your photo will be blurry . This is also the case when you attempt to make a photo of someone that isn't aware he or she has to be waiting for the autofocus lag. Head moves >>> blurry pic.
iPhone camera shots are way better quality, don't ask me why. Overall my Touch HD scores 8/10, where atleast 1 full point is taken up by the camera
and it's better don't speak about the very laggy video recording
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iPhone camera shots are way better quality, don't ask me why.
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Too many megapixels on a tiny sensor = major noise problem = blurring from denoise.
Even 2mpixels is too much for sensors this size, but people buy on marketing numbers of megapixels, not quality. You can just imagine the whining that would occur if the Touch HD came out with 1.3mpxiels, even though it would produce better pictures.
arfster said:
Too many megapixels on a tiny sensor = major noise problem = blurring from denoise.
Even 2mpixels is too much for sensors this size, but people buy on marketing numbers of megapixels, not quality. You can just imagine the whining that would occur if the Touch HD came out with 1.3mpxiels, even though it would produce better pictures.
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hehe, thats true.
mpixels dont count as much as the general public belives. the more mpix. the higher rezolution you can print the picture in. but for ordinary photos, 1.3 mpix would be enough, as long as the optics is good.
Personally, I rarely use a phone camera.
I use either my Olympus 720SW or Canon EOS.
the camera sucks **** compared to the n95 and the video recording is horrid. i know it's not meant to be as good as a dedicated camera but this is pretty bad given the price of the device.
i concur with mach03, move the camera a slight bit and eveyrthing gets blurred. one way i've semi gotten aorund this is to unlock the burst functiona nd take a sequence of pics and hope one or two coems out alright, not the most economic way to do it though...
i would ahve thought that maybe there's a way to tweak the camera to stop the blurring or even affect how much light is picked up by the lens which should also help with clarity
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I'm not talking about the front camera. The normal camera on the back. I understand about the pixel thing, but it still shouldn't be so brownish, right? The pictures look like an old Polaroid picture. You know, the one's that spit the picture out as soon as you took it. Old, brown & nasty looking.
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A silly idea, but seriously, did you check if maybe, just maybe, you left the "sepia" effect turned on???
After posting the camera comparison between old and .257 firmware I went out and did some more testing. This is one (actually, one of the better) shot done indoors at ISO 250, manual, slight +EV, 8MP 4:3.
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I have boxed the three main complaints with this image:
green: heavy artifacts at color bridges, this is likely still the same issue of oversharpening and next-pixel balancing getting into each others' faces
red: in flat color areas it introduces huge noise
orange: fine detail such as faces is washed out and unusably so
Three things are different here: I'd used the phone for a while and it had gotten a little warmer than it'd been when I took the outdoors photos. In general do I notice a distinct reduction in image quality as the phone gets warmer, I took the same picture twice, sandwiching a ten second video (and we know how hot the phone gets from even short video). After the "your phone is too hot" message went away I took a second picture and it looked like crap. It's indoors, ISO 250 instead of 50 ... and it's a very color and detail intensive image.
But the two girls at the back still look fit
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When it comes to perving on a 16 and 17 year old cooks' apprentice I never thought XDA would be the place to go.
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When it comes to perving on a 16 and 17 year old cooks' apprentice I never thought XDA would be the place to go.
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be quiet, but only joking here, i delete the post...
for the photo i have your problem too, and im searching other camera app, to try if is a hardware o software problem.
in app section i post a new camera app, very good, if you want try this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2499518
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After posting the camera comparison between old and .257 firmware I went out and did some more testing. This is one (actually, one of the better) shot done indoors at ISO 250, manual, slight +EV, 8MP 4:3.
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That's a tricky shot to get because of the back lighted window. Ideally a fill flash situation but not an option in your case given the apparent distance. It isn't surprising to see the problem areas you noted tend to cluster around the window. So how do you find the detail in the rest of the shot where the food is for example, its hard to say anything more because this is a downsampled image with no orignal provided.
green: heavy artifacts at color bridges, this is likely still the same issue of oversharpening and next-pixel balancing getting into each others' faces
red: in flat color areas it introduces huge noise
orange: fine detail such as faces is washed out and unusably so
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Did you use spot metering here ? Where you metered off will influence how the detail appears. Its properly exposed from what i can see. Nice shot
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Three things are different here: I'd used the phone for a while and it had gotten a little warmer than it'd been when I took the outdoors photos. In general do I notice a distinct reduction in image quality as the phone gets warmer, I took the same picture twice, sandwiching a ten second video (and we know how hot the phone gets from even short video). After the "your phone is too hot" message went away I took a second picture and it looked like crap. It's indoors, ISO 250 instead of 50 ... and it's a very color and detail intensive image.
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I've seen mixed reports about heating when using the camera. Some say it does not heat up too much whereas other say it does. had chatted with someone about this and was told even videoing for ten minutes did not heat it up too much. Too much is relative here with other devices i suppose.
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Did you use spot metering here ? Where you metered off will influence how the detail appears. Its properly exposed from what i can see. Nice shot
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That's why I avoid making statements about exposure. What I am attempting (and I think I am being successful) to show is the introduction of fringing, halos, artifacts, oversharpening noise, and next-pixel supersample blur. This is by the way not a downsample, it's a 1:1 100% crop (as, I believe, any camera comparison should be. Worse are those passing off AutoAwesome and AutoEnhance pictures as "in camera," but that's another rant for another time.
I had a chance to chitchat with some Sony engineers on Saturday and they seem to be reluctantly aware (and considering they're dogfooding 4.3 right now, I think we'll see little improvement in that arena) of the next-pixel issues and artifacts.
Let me make this clear: I don't think this is bad camera mojo. It's acceptable (5th after iPhone, Nokia, and Samsung Galaxy S4 isn't all that bad) but given the amazing hardware we have it makes me sad that we don't get better.
Also you did not mention whether this is a 20MP or 8MP photo.
I wondered whether there was any advantage to taking a 20MP shot and oversampling on a pc to a lower resolution. Whether that may produce a better photo that in-phone as pc has more processing power and also more time to work and produce a better quality image. I understand that the oversampling is a chip level implementation so its quick whether any advantage can be gained doing this in post is unclear to me atm.
The thing about exposure is if there is enough light or the sensor was more sensitive then would those halos, artifacts etc be less. You got those artifacts because perceived light was lower than ideal. I might take a worse shot than you did with that picture where it could be even more pronounced. If there was a way to lock exposure like on other cameras do we get a better shot or not.
The answer which you do not want to hear is i would try to avoid that window during framing the shot. Its too hard to fix without a fill flash.
As for capabilities of Z1, i look forward and hope to see manual shutter speed control. If you compare with procamera on lumia that's the only parameter missing in the sony manual interface.
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After posting the camera comparison between old and .257 firmware I went out and did some more testing. This is one (actually, one of the better) shot done indoors at ISO 250, manual, slight +EV, 8MP 4:3.
I have boxed the three main complaints with this image:
green: heavy artifacts at color bridges, this is likely still the same issue of oversharpening and next-pixel balancing getting into each others' faces
red: in flat color areas it introduces huge noise
orange: fine detail such as faces is washed out and unusably so
Three things are different here: I'd used the phone for a while and it had gotten a little warmer than it'd been when I took the outdoors photos. In general do I notice a distinct reduction in image quality as the phone gets warmer, I took the same picture twice, sandwiching a ten second video (and we know how hot the phone gets from even short video). After the "your phone is too hot" message went away I took a second picture and it looked like crap. It's indoors, ISO 250 instead of 50 ... and it's a very color and detail intensive image.
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I had exactly these problems on the new .257 firmware so I changed back to the older one and what a difference the older one I have found to take much better photo's then the newer .257. I know a lot of people will disagree and say the 257 is much better but on my z1 I have found it to be the complete opposite
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Yes, I do: "ISO 250, manual, slight +EV, 8MP 4:3"
The thing about exposure is if there is enough light or the sensor was more sensitive then would those halos, artifacts etc be less. You got those artifacts because perceived light was lower than ideal. I might take a worse shot than you did with that picture where it could be even more pronounced. If there was a way to lock exposure like on other cameras do we get a better shot or not.
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The other thing about exposure is, however, that the best way to establish the (non-scientific) usability of a camera is to aim it around and take pictures of things the way people would, then look at them and ask yourself: would that make me/them happy? Heck, go to Walmart and print some glossies, whatever, find out if you can make photos you'd share.
As for capabilities of Z1, i look forward and hope to see manual shutter speed control. If you compare with procamera on lumia that's the only parameter missing in the sony manual interface.
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Lumia's HDR stitching is more accurate and it doesn't fall off along the edges in luminescence. Where the Z1 has it beat is in color retention in lower lights, though.
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Yes, I do: "ISO 250, manual, slight +EV, 8MP 4:3"
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jluster said:
The other thing about exposure is, however, that the best way to establish the (non-scientific) usability of a camera is to aim it around and take pictures of things the way people would, then look at them and ask yourself: would that make me/them happy? Heck, go to Walmart and print some glossies, whatever, find out if you can make photos you'd share.
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Would like you to comment on the other areas of the photo. Since you did not mention it do we assume the three areas are the only ones you were not satisfied with. For me the cluster around the window indicates a backlighting problem. underexposed subjects etc. Though i have to say you got a very well exposed photo there. So as to make me think this is the best that one can expect under the circumstances.
Will you tell us how you took that photo, back light scn mode or spot metering ?
Here is another old vs new fw camera comparison:
http://www.soyacincau.com/2013/10/2...a-performance-compared-after-software-update/
In this particular photo, I don't see any improvements:
Cheers,
Miki
Here's one comparison with the c6903
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DIfference is subtle, slightly cleaner in the .257
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Here is another old vs new fw camera comparison:
http://www.soyacincau.com/2013/10/2...a-performance-compared-after-software-update/
In this particular photo, I don't see any improvements:
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I have not this... but unfocus area
logzz said:
I had exactly these problems on the new .257 firmware so I changed back to the older one and what a difference the older one I have found to take much better photo's then the newer .257. I know a lot of people will disagree and say the 257 is much better but on my z1 I have found it to be the complete opposite
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I thought I was the only one.
Kept reading everyone say the new firmware was a big improvement for the camera but every photo I took looked grainy. I took a photo of 2 of my boys yesterday in low light. Had -ev and it was the first 'decent' picture I had taken since I upgraded the firmware.
Then I realised that one of my kids was sharp/clear, but my other boy sitting beside him was out of focus.
Maybe he moved slightly and because of the longer shutter speed it caused the problem?
Although that's still only one good pic out of maybe 50.
It's not a big deal, I'll just downgrade the firmware after work as before the new firmware every photo was great.
Low light as well as sunny conditions the camera was a boss.
Another thing, my viewing angles are perfect.
Why do some Z1's look **** when viewed on a slight angle AND benefit from a newer firmware, and others look no different when looking at the phone almost flat AND suffer after a firmware upgrade?
When I check out my pics/videos from a mad angle the screen is bright as ****. I've seen footage where the phone is tilted and the screen looks ****. Definitely not the case with my phone.
Have they all got different parts in them?
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I thought I was the only one.
Kept reading everyone say the new firmware was a big improvement for the camera but every photo I took looked grainy. I took a photo of 2 of my boys yesterday in low light. Had -ev and it was the first 'decent' picture I had taken since I upgraded the firmware.
Then I realised that one of my kids was sharp/clear, but my other boy sitting beside him was out of focus.
Maybe he moved slightly and because of the longer shutter speed it caused the problem?
Although that's still only one good pic out of maybe 50.
It's not a big deal, I'll just downgrade the firmware after work as before the new firmware every photo was great.
Low light as well as sunny conditions the camera was a boss.
Another thing, my viewing angles are perfect.
Why do some Z1's look **** when viewed on a slight angle AND benefit from a newer firmware, and others look no different when looking at the phone almost flat AND suffer after a firmware upgrade?
When I check out my pics/videos from a mad angle the screen is bright as ****. I've seen footage where the phone is tilted and the screen looks ****. Definitely not the case with my phone.
Have they all got different parts in them?
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I am starting to wonder if they do all have different parts I can confirm there is a difference in screens as I bought two z1 phones just for compare and I found one had a better screen with more contrast and saturated colours. And the one with the better screen had a slightly better camera too. But this new firmware really pissed me off for me it was a huge step backwards the camera I found to be a lot worse as I have said earlier. The battery life on the new firmware I found to be pathetic and also the screen colour I found to be worse. The only thing it did fix was the screen going all black but back light staying on. How ever I got random reboots twice on the new firmware.
Now on the other hand my friend bought a Samsung note 3 and the camera on that performs far better then the xperia z1 also. Im starting to wonder weather I should change to a note 3 as im starting to feel im just wasting my time with sony. The software engineers they have working on the firmware updates need to be shot. How hard can it really be to make a good firmware???? What is sony doing???? I suspect they will never get it right for everyone because of different parts being used all the time.
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I am starting to wonder if they do all have different parts I can confirm there is a difference in screens as I bought two z1 phones just for compare and I found one had a better screen with more contrast and saturated colours. And the one with the better screen had a slightly better camera too. But this new firmware really pissed me off for me it was a huge step backwards the camera I found to be a lot worse as I have said earlier. The battery life on the new firmware I found to be pathetic and also the screen colour I found to be worse. The only thing it did fix was the screen going all black but back light staying on. How ever I got random reboots twice on the new firmware.
Now on the other hand my friend bought a Samsung note 3 and the camera on that performs far better then the xperia z1 also. Im starting to wonder weather I should change to a note 3 as im starting to feel im just wasting my time with sony. The software engineers they have working on the firmware updates need to be shot. How hard can it really be to make a good firmware???? What is sony doing???? I suspect they will never get it right for everyone because of different parts being used all the time.
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You bought 2 Z1's so you could compare the screen?
Really?
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You bought 2 Z1's so you could compare the screen?
Really?
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yes and they both had a very similar serial numbers but the screens were different, I have sold the other one now tho and kept the better one.
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yes and they both had a very similar serial numbers but the screens were different, I have sold the other one now tho and kept the better one.
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I've never had two phones of the same model with screens that look identical side by side. I'm sure the same applies to other displays and also TVs, which is why anyone in graphic design will pay to have monitors calibrated properly - and when you have video walls, these also need to be calibrated so one panel doesn't stand out.
But on their own, it's hard to tell which screen is 'right' or not.
I love my Xperia Z1. I have nothing to complain about aside from speaker and viewing angles which could be better, still it's not bad and improves on the Z. And the viewing angle issue seems to be less visible when you play a video. The only thing the camera is lacking is optical image stabilization. The focus is sometimes hit and more miss too. But overall, pictures are stunning for a phone (even in low light) but maybe I don't set the bar high enough. I've had the old and new firmware, was already happy with the old one and now I am happy with the new one. I quickly compared pictures with an iPhone 5 and it's easily on par.
It's a strong title... I know. Before you carry on reading take a deep breath and keep an open mind.
I've been playing around with a few cameras, for the best camera for photo and video work.
I've had the chance to trial the Galaxy S5, Galaxy Note 3, LG G2 (4k mod), Sony Z1 and of course the Z2.
Now in my testing I have observed a few things and tested them to conclude the following:
The Z1 and Z2 share the same sensor and lens
The Z2 outputs less compression to increase the quality (larger file size)
The sensor themselves are amazing, able to capture huge dynamic range and have impressive low light capabilities.
The glass in front of the Exmor sensors are just crap, the so called 'G Lens'.
The lens causes a lot of softness/blur... only the centre of the image is sufficently sharp.
I will proceed in the next post with evidence.
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I will proceed in the next post with evidence.
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Unless you have removed the lens cover from the housing and have taken photos to prove your theory that it's "crap" and then removed the lens and showed how it causes "softness/blur" I'm calling this out as a trolling exercise. I've made multiple comparison photos with my old HTC One X and my girlfriends Lumia 1020 and I can find nothing wrong with the camera. It compares very favourably with both.
Evidence A:
Here are 2 photos of some pebble dashing on a wall, which is great for checking sharpness.
Below are crops of the centre part photos taken with a LG G2 and Sony Z2.
The first is a LG G2 @ 13mp, the second is the Sony Z2 @ 20mp.
We can clearly see the G2 is sharp all around while Z2 starts to blur very quickly off centre in spots around the image. The lens isn't doing this sensor the justice it deserves.
The raw captures are available below for you to pixel peep yourselves.
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Evidence B:
Post #57 by Progosu.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2744006&page=6
Evidence C:
4k video comparison with G2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Itr7VWBXu2k
Evidence D:
Reviewer @ 13:00 mentions issue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7tQ5n32no8
I also think expectations need to be realistic. We're probably still in the range of 3 to 5 years before the cameras on these phones can approach the quality of DSLR or mirrorless units (hopefully we're even closer to when they can output raw files). Even then, unless someone comes up with something rather clever, we won't be seeing any decent optical zoom capabilities or the capacity for interchangeable lenses. But for most of us and for most circumstances, these phones do just fine. I can't imagine a professional photographer for Nat Geo (or any press org) is going to rely on their phone as their primary tool. The thousands of pictures that I've taken over the last 5+ years with a half dozen different phones wouldn't even exist, except for a few dozen maybe, if I didn't have my phone available and ready to use. Indeed I can do more and do better with my Canon, but other than road trip style vacations, it simply doesn't get used.
Slightly OT - Why ANY of these manufacturers put some type of protective sliding cover over the lens? What would that add to the cost of manufacture? A nickle?
THE LG G2
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm115/oc_masta/g2_a_zps0ceaefeb.jpg
THE SONY Z2
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm115/oc_masta/z2_a_zpse786db49.jpg
Don't get me wrong, the sensor is amazing. I don't understand why Sony would develop such a great sensor and pair it with such a bad lens.
I mean if Samsung and LG can incorporate super sharp lenses, Sony DEFINITELY can.
Sony have built a whole industry and reputation on camera equipment, I'm just disappointed they didn't use a sharper lens.
LG G2 is over-sharpened IMHO.. Likewise your "evidence" is also your opinion. Were both of the phones mounted in a tripod? Was OIS on the G2? There are so many variables that you can't account for this amounts to nothing but your opinion. So thanks for your opinion. Sheesh..
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LG G2 is over-sharpened IMHO.. Likewise your "evidence" is also your opinion. Were both of the phones mounted in a tripod? Was OIS on the G2? There are so many variables that you can't account for this amounts to nothing but your opinion. So thanks for your opinion. Sheesh..
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Both were stabilized to negate the effects of OIS.
I'm just presenting my test and conclusion, it isn't opinion once proven but feel free to believe whatever you like. I'm just presenting the facts and your presenting your opinion.
I love the Z2 regardless, everything is quality, including the sensor which is truly amazing, but the glass is letting it down.
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Evidence A:
Here are 2 photos of some pebble dashing on a wall, which is great for checking sharpness.
Below are crops of the centre part photos taken with a LG G2 and Sony Z2.
The first is a LG G2 @ 13mp, the second is the Sony Z2 @ 20mp.
We can clearly see the G2 is sharp all around while Z2 starts to blur very quickly off centre in spots around the image. The lens isn't doing this sensor the justice it deserves at all.
The wholes images are available below for you to pixel peep yourselves.
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I've just come from a G2 to a Z2 and I can tell you that I'd take the Z2 every day of the week as my main shooter. G2's shutter speed is horrendous (yes I tried all the mods). Pictures of anything moving invariably comes out as a blurry mess.
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Both were stabilized to negate the effects of OIS.
I'm just presenting my test and conclusion, it isn't opinion once proven but feel free to believe whatever you like. I'm just presenting the facts and your presenting your opinion.
I love the Z2 regardless, everything is quality, including the sensor which is truly amazing, but the glass is letting it down.
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I'm sorry, but two photos of a pebble dashed wall is not evidence that Sony's G Lens is crap. On my Z2 there are absolutely no issues with soft focus, it is pinsharp in macro and when taking photos of complex landscapes. By all means prove your theory by removing the lens glass from your G2 & Z2 and compare the quality with microscope. Until then, this is an opinion piece. Nothing more.
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I'm sorry, but two photos of a pebble dashed wall is not evidence that Sony's G Lens is crap. On my Z2 there are absolutely no issues with soft focus, it is pinsharp in macro and when taking photos of complex landscapes. By all means prove your theory by removing the lens glass from your G2 & Z2 and compare the quality with microscope. Until then, this is an opinion piece. Nothing more.
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Um I'm sorry nobody tests lenses and cameras by your method. Your still stating your opinion.
I am trialling every camera I can without bias but I am liking the Z2 build feel and overall package alot more than any other phone.
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Um I'm sorry nobody tests lenses and cameras by your method. Your still stating your opinion.
I am trialling every camera I can without bias but I am liking the Z2 build feel and overall package alot more than any other phones.
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I'm not going to talk about this anymore after this post as you don't seem to understand. There could be plenty of reasons your Z2 isn't focusing properly (software/hardware/contamination etc.), but you have stated that it's because Sony have used "crap" glass. The onus is on you to provide proof about this and you can't.
Why not get a few Z2's together and see if the issue is the same. No one else has gone out of their way to say "Why the Z2 camera sucks" and then said "probably the crap glass". Do you make lenses? What is the best type of glass to use? Enlighten us..
Well I'm heavily involved in the visual effects industry and photography. I know glass problems like most photographers do, evidently you do not.
All lenses are imperfect by nature and display certain issues. Softness is one and causes a loss of resolution.
That's why you tend to hear people rant how important a lens is over the camera itself. Not that I share that sentiment entirely, but this test did help me appreciate that a bit more.
The reason I say glass is, because the centre when zoomed is sharp (focussed), but further out it gets soft in certain areas. Like I had already stated.
Believe whatever you want and dispute it with your own test.
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Well I'm heavily involved in the visual effects industry and photography. I know glass problems like most photographers do, evidently you do not.
All lenses are imperfect by nature and display certain issues. Softness is one and causes a loss of resolution.
That's why you tend to hear people rant how important a lens is over the camera itself. Not that I share that sentiment entirely, but this test did help me appreciate that a bit more.
The reason I say glass is, because the centre when zoomed is sharp (focussed), but further out it gets soft in certain areas. Like I had already stated.
Believe whatever you want and dispute it with your own test.
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Do you think there is a possibility that your Z2 may have a defective lens?
I think what bombdog is trying to say (albeit a bit harsh) is that you need to have multiple test samples before jumping to conclusions. For instance, just because your Z2 had a bad lens does not mean all lens are bad.
If I were to do this test, I'd take a handful of XZ2, a G2, and an S5 then take shots of different scenery. If a majority of the Z2 shows a lack in sharpness then we can assume that the Z2 could have a bad lens.
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oc_masta said:
Well I'm heavily involved in the visual effects industry and photography. I know glass problems like most photographers do, evidently you do not.
All lenses are imperfect by nature and display certain issues. Softness is one and causes a loss of resolution.
That's why you tend to hear people rant how important a lens is over the camera itself. Not that I share that sentiment entirely, but this test did help me appreciate that a bit more.
The reason I say glass is, because the centre when zoomed is sharp (focussed), but further out it gets soft in certain areas. Like I had already stated.
Believe whatever you want and dispute it with your own test.
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What I thibk other's mean is that maybe your device's glass cover is bad. Sure that may be Sony's fault or it could be bad handling from your part but I have a hard time believing that all the Z1/Z2 glass covers are as bad as yours. I for example have some pictures without blur on the edges and that for me makes this test nothing more than a test on an eventually faulty device(faulty glass cover maybe)
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Do you think there is a possibility that your Z2 may have a defective lens?
I think what bombdog is trying to say (albeit a bit harsh) is that you need to have multiple test samples before jumping to conclusions. For instance, just because your Z2 had a bad lens does not mean all lens are bad.
If I were to do this test, I'd take a handful of XZ2, a G2, and an S5 then take shots of different scenery. If a majority of the Z2 shows a lack in sharpness then we can assume that the Z2 could have a bad lens.
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I have a Z1 which exhibits the exact same issue you see, and they share the same camera. The only difference between the photos is an increase in filesize of the Z2 in comparison with the Z1 at the same 20mp resolution. This usually means less compression. A neat trick by Sony to increase photo quality with the same hardware.
The lens is inside the camera which consists of several pieces of glass layered on top of each other (polished, shaped and distorted). Lenses are very hard to make.
The outside is just a flat piece of glass to protect the REAL lens.
Look guys,
For the purists its an issue yes, for the general happy snappers, it is not. But I hope you would have liked to hear the facts instead of just being ignorant to them.
Its a great camera apart from the glass inside which could be better.
p.s. sharpness/detail isn't everything, this sensor itself beats anything else on offer in a phone and can only compare to the Lumia 1020 (which is my opinion).
I am very pleased with its dynamic range and ability to able to show detail in shadows and highlights (especially useful in 4k video).
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Look guys,
For the purists its an issue yes, for the general happy snappers, it is not. But I hope you would have liked to hear the facts instead of just being ignorant to them.
Its a great camera apart from the glass inside which could be better.
p.s. sharpness/detail isn't everything, this sensor itself beats anything else on offer in a phone and can only compare to the Lumia 1020 (which is my opinion).
I am very pleased with its dynamic range and ability to able to show detail in shadows and highlights (especially useful in 4k video).
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You know, I didn't come to take shots at you. I was just trying to interpret what Bombdog was saying so that you two could stop bickering like a married couple. No need to say I'm "ignorant" to the "facts".
I know exactly what you mean but you two don't seem to understand each other. Bombdog suggests you get more Z2 samples. On the other hand, you're going around saying these are facts when, unfortunately, they are not true facts. Bombdog is mostly right in that they are opinions (except the way he came off seemed very aggressive). Giving one sample and throwing around self-proclaimed certifications about being highly involved in photography does not suddenly make it a "fact." What you have here is a HYPOTHESIS not a fact.
Sorry, I did not mean to come off as being too aggressive but I came here to hear a discussion and if I'm going to get shots fired at me just because I happened to walk in at the wrong time then perhaps there wasn't going to be a discussion in the first place.
oc_masta said:
Look guys,
For the purists its an issue yes, for the general happy snappers, it is not. But I hope you would have liked to hear the facts instead of just being ignorant to them.
Its a great camera apart from the glass inside which could be better.
p.s. sharpness/detail isn't everything, this sensor itself beats anything else on offer in a phone and can only compare to the Lumia 1020 (which is my opinion).
I am very pleased with its dynamic range and ability to able to show detail in shadows and highlights (especially useful in 4k video).
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I'm with you man...fully understand what you are talking about, but just don't keep trying to convince the fanboys that the Z2 has some issues because you're not getting to any result! They are too ignorant...
P.S: Z2 has a lousy mic, Z2 overheats and I also have proof!!! ...and I'm not a ****ing troll!!!
Devils Advocate
BTW if I came across as aggressive apologies..
Hi everyone, let me first introduce you to the infamous HTC One (M7) camera issue with purple tint. This issue arise after using the camera on the phone for some duration, creating excessive heat that ultimately destroys the camera's sensors. When taking photos in mainly dark areas, one would then see purple tint in their photos. But when taking photos in bright daylight, photos are completely normal. This became a hardware defect for many owners of the M7 that HTC refused to fix or recall. A sample of said defect:
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I was one of the victims that once owned the HTC One (M7) with the issue, so I am concerned about cameras on any of my new phones. Upon receiving my Experia Z3 earlier this week, I immediately tested the camera in dark areas, even putting my hand over the camera to see if there are any irregularities. I confirmed the normal behavior, which is a dark picture with little to no purple tint. Today, I took photos and found a fun camera app that came with the phone called AR Effects. I spent almost an hour messing around with the app and camera. My girlfriend with another Z3 (white) was doing the same, but only for a few minutes. We then took photos of the same subject to find out that my photos had noise and some purple tint around the border, while hers look perfectly normal. Both using SUPERIOR AUTO with the exact settings under all tab settings:
A comparison of GF's Z3 (top) and mine (bottom) camera on covered face down:
Screenshot from GF's Z3 with camera covered:
Screenshot from mine with camera covered:
A shot in medium lighting from GF's Z3 (full version):
Same shot using mine (full version). Notice the noise difference and a hint of purple tint around the borders:
Very lowlight shot with GF's Z3 (full version):
Same lowlight shot with mine (full version). Notice the drastic noise and purple tint:
As a result, you can clearly see that there are more noise and purple tint of some kind in darker environments on my Z3, compared to my GF's. Can we conclude that not all phones are created equal? It is either (1) I have a defective unit, or (2) Xperia Z3 has the same issue as the HTC One (long exposure to heat issue). I am going to try to do an exchange while my phone is still under warranty. But if anybody has the same issue, please share and comment in this thread. One way to test this is to turn on the camera, put it on SUPERIOR AUTO, and cover the camera (or lay it flat) in a dark space.
Let this be a known issue if it becomes a common defect.
I don't have that problem you should definitely get it replaced
I'm having same issue. My pictures are very grainy in low light and dark.
I'll try to post a screenshot
On top and bottom is red grainy.
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ex0dusk3 said:
I'm having same issue. My pictures are very grainy in low light and dark.
I'll try to post a screenshot
On top and bottom is red grainy.
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I see it does have some grainy red tint, but it is not has bad as mine. Can you please post more shots in low light with objects? Thanks!
Wow it's really bad. Try setting ISO 50 on manual, here is mine in ISO 50 covered with sweatshirt.
(Original: http://www.mediafire.com/view/fhj6nsdjrk1hjd4/2014-10-25_11.21.43.jpg)
Also a night shot:
(Original: http://www.mediafire.com/view/rr97gcl6zc3egq2/2014-10-24_19.22.03.jpg#)
Here is mine at ISO 50, manual mode (full version). You can see the noise on the sides of the photo:
Daytime photo indoor. Auto mode (full version):
Daytime photo indoor. ISO 50, manual mode (full version):
did you unlock your BL?
se1000 said:
did you unlock your BL?
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That is a good question.
se1000 said:
did you unlock your BL?
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No, I am too afraid to do any of that early this stage.
hanime said:
No, I am too afraid to do any of that early this stage.
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You should send your phone back for a replacement, that is definitely not normal!
I am sending this back for exchange. Hopefully it will work out!
I have this on my z3 compact but it seem to only appear when I shoot things that are blue in lower light without flash
I really hated this on my old m7
I guess I'll be selling my z3 soon
As soon as I see something like this on my z3, I'm selling it with my nexus 4 and buying a note 4
Mine is currently being shipped for exchange (return would cost me some restocking fees). I noticed both of our Z3s (GF and I) do not output crisp photos. It is either we are forced to use MANUAL MODE on this phone, or Z3's cameras are not sharp as other flagships. I look into some photos taken with Note 4 and Z3, and I can clearly see Note 4 photos are more crisp. :shrugs:
hanime said:
Mine is currently being shipped for exchange (return would cost me some restocking fees). I noticed both of our Z3s (GF and I) do not output crisp photos. It is either we are forced to use MANUAL MODE on this phone, or Z3's cameras are not sharp as other flagships. I look into some photos taken with Note 4 and Z3, and I can clearly see Note 4 photos are more crisp. :shrugs:
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Restocking is $50 and sadly the Note 4 and iPhones use Sony sensors and take better pics due to better cam software, hopefully Sony will fix it soon in an update. I'm keeping mine as for the most part its good.
abhinav.tella said:
Restocking is $50 and sadly the Note 4 and iPhones use Sony sensors and take better pics due to better cam software, hopefully Sony will fix it soon in an update. I'm keeping mine as for the most part its good.
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I agree. I am going to keep mine as well, hoping for an update from Sony to improve the camera software. And also, the Z3 just looks so nice!
Defective camera. You will get new XPERIA Z3.
Pink spot issue made it to Phonearena, hope Sony is listening.
Article:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Xper...t-a-pink-blotch-issue-with-the-camera_id62206
wolf0491 said:
When testing in dark places like the original post I didn't have issue. However when shooting a picture of a white wall for example you can. Also it happens on both front and back camera. Which makes me think it's software? http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/27/ebf64b1b7da397816a086d50f2248126.jpg http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/27/e2366fb5f2734b6a025be4338a2547f1.jpg
First is front cam second back.
I however don't have have problems with the things I have taken pictures of so keeping mine lol.
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The purple tint/noise from my original post and the pink spot are different issues from what I observed. The purple tint/noise is hardware related. The pink spot is probably software related, seeing that both the front and rear cameras are doing it.
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I'm in US and bought international model so warranty is obnoxious to do. Not doing it for minor pinkish. Maybe if it was worse. I honestly tool 1 picture a month with my last phone haha
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Same deal here. I bought mine from eBay. However, if you register your phone, you do have warranty in the US it seems: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3/help/sonys-warranty-buy-ebay-t2920049/post56319419
I understand that the Z5 has a wider field of view than other phones, e.g. my Samsung Galaxy S5. But the problem is that the distortion in the corners is rather ridiculous.
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My spherical exercise ball looks like a f'in egg. What's the point of a wider lens if things in the corner are so badly distorted? Here's the picture in full distorted glory.
Here is a comparison with the Samsung Galaxy S5:
How do people correct for this?
Do you crop the image, correct in Photoshop, or just ignore? PTLens doesn't have lens information for any Xperia devices.
I wanted kind of the same answers and I was told to buy new phone basically... Oh well
I was gona make a thread abt this, i am also a former user of galaxy s5 ( n still use it as back up) the 16mp camera on the s5 is day and night better, my s5 atleast never had blurr watsoever, and the black was black ( specaily in dark shot) but on the z5 anything shot gotta be blurred ( well shooting 1080 gets me more details when i zoom than the 23mp stillshots) oh and in dark stillshots u gota have the blueish black. Seriously sony ?
Am not a photographer by any means or really use my fone to take lots of pics , but u kno when u get a good scene that u have to atleast take one pic for good memories? Well the z5 fails u big time.
Ps i dont have any kind of distortion on my z5, however the noise and the blurr ruin the whole 23mp thingy, manual mode is a joke bcuz the camera just goes crazy in 1st place if there is anything black or blue in dark shots
Vcaddy said:
Ps i dont have any kind of distortion on my z5
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Are you sure you don't have any kind of distortion on your Z5? Try taking a picture of a row of windows that looks like a grid (like this), and see what you get.
I ran a monitor test and took a photo of that.
Is the result bad enough to ask for a replacement Z5 or should I just accept it as a feature?
Apparently i didnt play with camera as much u hence i never noticed the distortion, yes i can confirm that i have the same distortion on every corner of the camera, its even visible without taking a picture. Is this how the wider lens should be ? As i dont think all our z5 cameras r broken
I noticed the distortion as soon as I took my first picture. It really bothers me. On top of that you can see how black objects come out blue in low light. Very disappointed. The front right stove burner is considerably smaller than that back left. In one picture they look the same size.
You can see in the first picture the actual size of the furthest burners. The closest two are the same difference in size from one another. They look the same.
I would say there is nothing that cant be fixed with a firmware update from sony as i dont think the camera is the problem here but rather its firmware
As a DLSR photographer, this is the kind of thing you get with such a wide angle lens--it requires very large and expensive lenses to get around (like the Canon L series) so I wouldn't worry about it. If it bothers you that much, then take a picture in the 8MP mode and zoom in so the phone crops out the corners.
Alternatively, you can profile the distortion of the lens and then apply correction in post-processing, but day-to-day shots don't warrant this level of obsession.
More pictures of Z5 corner distortion
sovanyio said:
As a DLSR photographer, this is the kind of thing you get with such a wide angle lens--it requires very large and expensive lenses to get around (like the Canon L series) so I wouldn't worry about it. If it bothers you that much, then take a picture in the 8MP mode and zoom in so the phone crops out the corners.
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Doing that every time I take a picture is a pain and defeats the purpose of having a dedicated camera key to take photos fast.
sovanyio said:
Alternatively, you can profile the distortion of the lens and then apply correction in post-processing,
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I've done that sort of thing for regular camera pictures, but my question is:
With this much processor power in the phone, why doesn't it automatically apply this correction? If you say "for performance", I'll counter with:
the camera's hardware could have highly optimized code for correcting the distortion, since its parameters are known
correction could be queued and done by software after the photos are taken
sovanyio said:
but day-to-day shots don't warrant this level of obsession.
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Fair enough, unless ordinary shots look downright comical. I've had smartphones before and am aware of the problem (see my comparison with the S5 above), but it never really bothered me. With the Z5, it does. The distortion is kind of "in your face", and not easy to ignore. Make the pictures look badly Photoshopped:
Try taking a picture of a group of people and it will look closer to the last pic from the page.
Anyway, here are more Z5 shots illustrating the distortion. This one shows both the pincushion and left-side blur:
dandv said:
Doing that every time I take a picture is a pain and defeats the purpose of having a dedicated camera key to take photos fast.
I've done that sort of thing for regular camera pictures, but my question is:
With this much processor power in the phone, why doesn't it automatically apply this correction? If you say "for performance", I'll counter with:
the camera's hardware could have highly optimized code for correcting the distortion, since its parameters are known
correction could be queued and done by software after the photos are taken
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I, for one, prefer that my original shots are not processed beyond the camera's noise reduction algorithms. But its a fair point, they could enable this in settings. But that would require user configuration since each phone/lens combination will have unique lens calibration values--something that is probably too top heavy for the manufacturing process.
The thing that bothers me the most is the blue tint on the edges of photos in low light. What is up with that?
Also, if I cover the lens entirely with my hand and take a photo of the blackness, there is heavy blue tint on the edges, particularly on the left side..
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The thing that bothers me the most is the blue tint on the edges of photos in low light. What is up with that?
Also, if I cover the lens entirely with my hand and take a photo of the blackness, there is heavy blue tint on the edges, particularly on the left side..
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I, too, left side blue, wants to try to change the camera module.
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I, too, left side blue, wants to try to change the camera module.
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It's call "left hand blur issue".no word from Sony regarding this!!!!!it's a hardware issue on most of
The z5 families..only option is to change the camera module..
dandv said:
I understand that the Z5 has a wider field of view than other phones, e.g. my Samsung Galaxy S5. But the problem is that the distortion in the corners is rather ridiculous.
My spherical exercise ball looks like a f'in egg. What's the point of a wider lens if things in the corner are so badly distorted? Here's the picture in full distorted glory.
Here is a comparison with the Samsung Galaxy S5:
How do people correct for this?
Do you crop the image, correct in Photoshop, or just ignore? PTLens doesn't have lens information for any Xperia devices.
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Common on all lenses, even $5,000 and upward lenses have more blur at the edges than the centre. Worse on wide angle lenses.
I am guessing the Sony Lens is;
1. A faster lens (f stops)
2. Wider angle.
Yep and yep on both counts, sure enough
Z5 23 MP, f/2.0, 24mm
16 MP, f/2.2, 31mm
dodo1515 said:
It's call "left hand blur issue".no word from Sony regarding this!!!!!it's a hardware issue on most of
The z5 families..only option is to change the camera module..
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How do you go about changing the camera module? Do I have to get a replacement phone?
xevious_ said:
How do you go about changing the camera module? Do I have to get a replacement phone?
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Check those links for your answer:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/general/sony-mobile-problems-camera-z5-family-t3262292
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/general/im-doing-tally-z5-series-affected-left-t3242302
dodo1515 said:
Check those links for your answer:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/general/sony-mobile-problems-camera-z5-family-t3262292
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/general/im-doing-tally-z5-series-affected-left-t3242302
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I am in the USA (New York), so I don't think there's any service center I can visit for this blue tint issue..
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I am in the USA (New York), so I don't think there's any service center I can visit for this blue tint issue..
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Me too l can't return it l have both z5 and premium with the same issue..
L'm just hoping that it's can be adjusted with a software update...
vyshgorado said:
I, too, left side blue, wants to try to change the camera module.
dodo1515 said:
It's call "left hand blur issue".no word from Sony regarding this!!!!!it's a hardware issue on most of
The z5 families..only option is to change the camera module..
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The blue color at the edges in dark shots is perfectly avoidable by using manual mode with the night scene program. It occurs mainly in superior auto.
It has nothing to do with blur of any kind. It's failed post processing I think.