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Comparative study of the Xperia Z5's (moderate) low-light performance ;)

Background
While the Z5 has demonstrated that it can take good daytime photos and excellent video (thanks to its closed-loop actuator), low-light performance has been a concern, due to a lack of OIS and its smaller pixels.
I had the opportunity to borrow an LG G4 to test low-light conditions with the Z5. Testing took a while, as I needed to understand the different scene selections of the Z5's Superior Auto mode. I chose two classic, well-known, posters for the basis of the analysis: Star Wars - The Empire Strikes Back and Breakfast at Tiffany's. The posters feature both artwork and text, which should provide a good mix of characteristics for comparison. Also, the posters can easily be found online, so no reference photos were necessary.
Test conditions
The SW:ESB poster was lit from a single, overhead, incandecent light bulb (60 watt), which was roughly 10 ft/3 m away. The Breakfast at Tiffany's poster had no nearby light source - the light comes from the next room over 20+ ft/ 7+ m away.
All photos were taken in automatic mode for both phones. The Z5 was set to 8 MP in 16:9 ratio. I had tried set up the photos to look as similar as possible.
Camera setup
The SW:ESB night pics were taken while sitting down. The Z5 photos are as follows:
a) Night mode icon (i.e. moon icon)
b) Night mode icon + tripod icon
c) Night mode icon + tripod icon, phone holder stabilized (not hand-held)
The Breakfast at Tiffany's pics were taken while standing up, with arms in an elevated position. This is was due to the fact that the poster was mounted higher on the wall. It should represent the Z5's worse case scenario, as there was no way to stay completely steady due to the awkward posture and poor lighting.
Note: I had to re-take the Breakfast at Tiffany's photo, as I discovered that the initial photo had moved the focus to the top of the poster, due to face detection. I manually adjusted the focus rather than cut off Audrey's elegant face. When face detection icon was not on screen, the low-light icon (i.e. candle icon) would come on.
Link to photos (7-zipped):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2Put-ePeAktZXE4YkxpNmhmWUk
The photos have not been edited in any way, other than to rename the files. I will leave the photos up for a couple of weeks. If you are reading this post after November 2015, and would like a link to the pics, please send me a PM.
Conclusion
OIS definitely helped with the low-light pics. The difference in detail was due to blurring, not MPs as far I could tell. In better lighting conditions or when stabilized, the Z5 and G4 had the same level of detail. The G4 pics became more and more "washed out" as the light level dropped, which was probably due to its smaller sensor.
Kids vs. stills: For quick snaps of people in moderate-to-low lighting, the Z5 was better, due to face detection. OIS couldn't do much to help. G4 had a lot more blurred photos, but when it wasn't blurred, the quality was good.
So why choose the Z5 (without OIS)? For the video recording. Once you've tried taking FHD videos with the Z5, you'll probably never go back to using OIS. Try it in the store... take a walk, jump up and down, shake it all around. It's pretty dang amazing.
Anyway, I hope the pics and the comparison were helpful.
Cheers!

Wrong title These are 'night mode' shots with decent amount of light. How about some real low-light shots (low-light mode/ high ISO) ?

schecter7 said:
Wrong title These are 'night mode' shots with decent amount of light. How about some real low-light shots (low-light mode/ high ISO) ?
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Gah... I don't have the G4 to test with anymore. I didn't say it was "dinner by candle light". But I'll change the title a bit.

Cool. It'd have been real fun to see some blackouts from G4 (like I regularly do from S6 ) in 'low-light'

schecter7 said:
Cool. It'd have been real fun to see some blackouts from G4 (like I regularly do from S6 ) in 'low-light'
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Can you please explain what you mean by "blackouts"?

schecter7 said:
Cool. It'd have been real fun to see some blackouts from G4 (like I regularly do from S6 ) in 'low-light'
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Yeah, I noticed the G4's pics got darker rather quickly as the lights went down. Didn't think anyone was interested to see washed out Z5 pics vs. pitch-black G4 pics! xD But I think we need to really test the Z5 outdoors at night with a tripod and see what it's capable of. Anyone live in a big city with a good night life? Tim?
BTW, anyone see these night pics from Zoë Noble?
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/09/04/berlinmoments-part2-zoe-noble-on-berlins-nightscapes/

bloodfire1004 said:
Can you please explain what you mean by "blackouts"?
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Now that OP has changed the title, it's become irrelevant. Before he kills me ... I meant the pictures you get when the sensor is pushed to its limit in low-light. It's not a standard term, btw lol
Some extreme examples
http://i0.wp.com/fortheloveoftech.c...4/10/wp_20141016_19_14_30_pro.jpg?fit=810,810
http://i1.wp.com/fortheloveoftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/dsc_0010.jpg?fit=810,810
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joe_dude said:
Yeah, I noticed the G4's pics got darker rather quickly as the lights went down. Didn't think anyone was interested to see washed out Z5 pics vs. pitch-black G4 pics! xD But I think we need to really test the Z5 outdoors at night with a tripod and see what it's capable of. Anyone live in a big city with a good night life? Tim?
BTW, anyone see these night pics from Zoë Noble?
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/09/04/berlinmoments-part2-zoe-noble-on-berlins-nightscapes/
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At the very extreme end, Xperia outputs will wash out. But couple stops before that Xperia will get you a usable output while the others will still remain pitch-black. Try it out when you get a chance.
I will do it (without a tripod - you kidding right). I live downtown & I got tired of taking night shots long time ago. Next weekend - hopefully.

schecter7 said:
Now that OP has changed the title, it's become irrelevant. Before he kills me ... I meant the pictures you get when the sensor is pushed to its limit in low-light. It's not a standard term, btw lol
Some extreme examples
http://i0.wp.com/fortheloveoftech.c...4/10/wp_20141016_19_14_30_pro.jpg?fit=810,810
http://i1.wp.com/fortheloveoftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/dsc_0010.jpg?fit=810,810
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At the very extreme end, Xperia outputs will wash out. But couple stops before that Xperia will get you a usable output while the others will still remain pitch-black. Try it out when you get a chance.
I will do it (without a tripod - you kidding right). I live downtown & I got tired of taking night shots long time ago. Next weekend - hopefully.
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I see. Thanks!

Here is my indoor(metro) and night shot(outdoor) campaign of S6 vs. Z5c. All are shared in it's original size without editing other than renaming.
S6:
FHD - Software stabilization disabled, OIS enabled(can't be disable)
UHD - OIS enabled(can't be disable)
Z5c:
FHD - IA software stabilization on
UHD - Standard steadyshot on
All photo and video were shot by stock camera handheld. Sony only allowed to pack ISO in 8MP Manual so all are in 8MP from 100iso to 3200iso, skipped testing 50iso bcoz 100iso already super easy to create handshake. S6 were all from Pro mode(standard auto mode can't select ISO) range from 100iso to 800iso, max is 800 from Samsung offered, can't go higher in Pro mode though sometimes the auto mode could boost up to 1000ISO.
Some photo got little handshake and I've no time to just keep repeat shooting. In my experiences, S6 easily beats Z5c in terms of handshake and focus performance(at very low light S6 focus is superior, more faster and accurate). Indeed, many photo from Z5c been shot for a couple of times to try to get best result and almost all S6 photo were just taken in one shot(no more than two).
S6 got very good quality of video as well as photo, I think the OIS is quite helpful for the video part too. I'll probably add Z5c/S6 fast walking video today or tomorrow when I've free time to do more testing.
S6 link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJUXF0bUlmcklhLVE&usp=sharing
Z5c link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJYjdOcEJPUHJORjQ&usp=sharing
My Z5c is bootloader locked with DRM key so it's still with the low-light denoise algorithm. I may unlock it soon. My S6 with ISOCell, not Sony IMX240 sensor.

TheEndHK said:
Here is my indoor(metro) and night shot(outdoor) campaign of S6 vs. Z5c. All are shared in it's original size without editing other than renaming.
S6:
FHD - Software stabilization disabled, OIS enabled(can't be disable)
UHD - OIS enabled(can't be disable)
Z5c:
FHD - IA software stabilization on
UHD - Standard steadyshot on
All photo and video were shot by stock camera handheld. Sony only allowed to pack ISO in 8MP Manual so all are in 8MP from 100iso to 3200iso, skipped testing 50iso bcoz 100iso already super easy to create handshake. S6 were all from Pro mode(standard auto mode can't select ISO) range from 100iso to 800iso, max is 800 from Samsung offered, can't go higher in Pro mode though sometimes the auto mode could boost up to 1000ISO.
Some photo got little handshake and I've no time to just keep repeat shooting. In my experiences, S6 easily beats Z5c in terms of handshake and focus performance(at very low light S6 focus is superior, more faster and accurate). Indeed, many photo from Z5c been shot for a couple of times to try to get best result and almost all S6 photo were just taken in one shot(no more than two).
S6 got very good quality of video as well as photo, I think the OIS is quite helpful for the video part too. I'll probably add Z5c/S6 fast walking video today or tomorrow when I've free time to do more testing.
S6 link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJUXF0bUlmcklhLVE&usp=sharing
Z5c link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJYjdOcEJPUHJORjQ&usp=sharing
My Z5c is bootloader locked with DRM key so it's still with the low-light denoise algorithm. I may unlock it soon. My S6 with ISOCell, not Sony IMX240 sensor.
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Thanks for this! I'm sure many appreciate the efforts
Though I'm not sure if its just me, but honestly, I prefer the pics from the Z5. For me, the colors / the overall photo itself looks "natural" or more "realistic". Of course, I do not know the actual colors / conditions of what it really looked like but the colors of the S6 seem to be too artificial (and more orangey / redder tint to most of them).
Just my 2 cents though.

bloodfire1004 said:
Thanks for this! I'm sure many appreciate the efforts
Though I'm not sure if its just me, but honestly, I prefer the pics from the Z5. For me, the colors / the overall photo itself looks "natural" or more "realistic". Of course, I do not know the actual colors / conditions of what it really looked like but the colors of the S6 seem to be too artificial (and more orangey / redder tint to most of them).
Just my 2 cents though.
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You'll need to download all stuffs and check it out on a big PC screen. S6 color can be more better because the default is over. I always preset lower one stepping of saturation and color temp in Pro mode but this time I just let it run default so the result got worse.
If you check the threads on this board, I've said it a dozen times that Sony got better color(my taste) and that is why I buy the Z5c while I already own a S6. In fact, S6 is over whilst Z5c color is also a bit off(under/lower) but just more close to the real scene.
Speaking to the details part, S6 just win hands down without any doubt.

bloodfire1004 said:
Thanks for this! I'm sure many appreciate the efforts
Though I'm not sure if its just me, but honestly, I prefer the pics from the Z5. For me, the colors / the overall photo itself looks "natural" or more "realistic". Of course, I do not know the actual colors / conditions of what it really looked like but the colors of the S6 seem to be too artificial (and more orangey / redder tint to most of them).
Just my 2 cents though.
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The histogram shows the Z5 is more accurate. Viewed a couple of the photos and resizing the S6 photos to match the res and aspect ratio of the Z5c (2448x3264) show the Z5c often delivers more detail but also a bit more 'fine' grain vs blurrier and noiser (noise blurred out but still visible as blotches) S6 photos (depending on ISO level). Also several photos have a photo (PhotoME exif reader) time date with a difference of 15-20 minutes between each camera and same shooting location..
Here is a crop from both at 2448x3264 and with aspect ratio correction. This is from the S6/Z5 ISO 800 comparision. Top is S6, bottom is Z5c. Photo crops from HKs comparision.

EQ2000 said:
The histogram shows the Z5 is more accurate. Viewed a couple of the photos and resizing the S6 photos to match the res and aspect ratio of the Z5c (2448x3264) show the Z5c often delivers more detail but also a bit more 'fine' grain vs blurrier and noiser (noise blurred out but still visible as blotches) S6 photos (depending on ISO level). Also several photos have a photo (PhotoME exif reader) time date with a difference of 15-20 minutes between each camera and same shooting location..
Here is a crop from both at 2448x3264 and with aspect ratio correction. This is from the S6/Z5 ISO 800 comparision. Top is S6, bottom is Z5c. Photo crops from HKs comparision.
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Excuse me Sir. Do you actually know what are you speaking? You always blame S6 got strong noise reduction but when you found noises there you also said that S6 is too bad to has noise.
Sony is all good in your mind even there are indeed more flat area in photo but you'll just think that some noises to simulate fine grain so it's all good.....
To be honest, I've also played a lots of video stuffs, I was a video lover. The film grain isn't real using in this way. In the old days video encoding technologies were not yet mature, the encoder did remove too much things from the source and people was trying to apply some noises in flat area to fraud human eye but this method should not use again in recent year. Some others were trying to simulate old Film noises for special purpose though.
The environment is total stable and it won't change the result after 15 - 20mins like day time so it is meaningless to mention about this, I'm not only focusing to take photo because my friends whatsapp me. Furthermore, the Z5c is freaking hard to get good result in such low light condition, some scenes were actually been taken 4 to 5 times to try to get one with good result. S6 was almost all done in one shot.

TheEndHK said:
Here is my indoor(metro) and night shot(outdoor) campaign of S6 vs. Z5c. All are shared in it's original size without editing other than renaming.
S6:
FHD - Software stabilization disabled, OIS enabled(can't be disable)
UHD - OIS enabled(can't be disable)
Z5c:
FHD - IA software stabilization on
UHD - Standard steadyshot on
All photo and video were shot by stock camera handheld. Sony only allowed to pack ISO in 8MP Manual so all are in 8MP from 100iso to 3200iso, skipped testing 50iso bcoz 100iso already super easy to create handshake. S6 were all from Pro mode(standard auto mode can't select ISO) range from 100iso to 800iso, max is 800 from Samsung offered, can't go higher in Pro mode though sometimes the auto mode could boost up to 1000ISO.
Some photo got little handshake and I've no time to just keep repeat shooting. In my experiences, S6 easily beats Z5c in terms of handshake and focus performance(at very low light S6 focus is superior, more faster and accurate). Indeed, many photo from Z5c been shot for a couple of times to try to get best result and almost all S6 photo were just taken in one shot(no more than two).
S6 got very good quality of video as well as photo, I think the OIS is quite helpful for the video part too. I'll probably add Z5c/S6 fast walking video today or tomorrow when I've free time to do more testing.
S6 link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJUXF0bUlmcklhLVE&usp=sharing
Z5c link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJYjdOcEJPUHJORjQ&usp=sharing
My Z5c is bootloader locked with DRM key so it's still with the low-light denoise algorithm. I may unlock it soon. My S6 with ISOCell, not Sony IMX240 sensor.
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While an instructive and very interesting comparison, we do loose a bit of something by dealing with differing Fields of View. Some of the loss of detailing that you might otherwise put down to the sensor or software is actually far more about the focus of the lens on the sensor. To see what the detail reproduction is more accurately, we could do with seeing the two framed identically (IE, taking half a step nearer with the Z5 when taking the shot to correct for the different lens).
While I hate to put you to more trouble, could you have a go at this at all? Thanks

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Here is my indoor(metro) and night shot(outdoor) campaign of S6 vs. Z5c. All are shared in it's original size without editing other than renaming.
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S6 got very good quality of video as well as photo, I think the OIS is quite helpful for the video part too. I'll probably add Z5c/S6 fast walking video today or tomorrow when I've free time to do more testing.
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Ah, Hong Kong... been there several times. Sorry, but I hate to say it, the video quality on the S6 was not very good. Maybe when standing still it's good, but as soon as you started panning, the video was jittery. In FHD, the Z5 was completely smooth. In 4K, both videos were jittery.
If you're going to critical of the Z5, you should be at least as critical about the S6's poor video performance. You live in HK... a fast paced city. Hold it up and walk around with the crowd, take it on the bus, go up and down the subways stairs. Don't use the Z5 and take video like it's an S6 - judge it on its own merit. If you've ever tried to keep up with a child and record video, you'd know what I mean!
Thanks for the vids and photos... I'll check out the photos later.

TheEndHK said:
You'll need to download all stuffs and check it out on a big PC screen. S6 color can be more better because the default is over. I always preset lower one stepping of saturation and color temp in Pro mode but this time I just let it run default so the result got worse.
If you check the threads on this board, I've said it a dozen times that Sony got better color(my taste) and that is why I buy the Z5c while I already own a S6. In fact, S6 is over whilst Z5c color is also a bit off(under/lower) but just more close to the real scene.
Speaking to the details part, S6 just win hands down without any doubt.
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Okay, I've gone through the pics, comparing both sets of pics side-by-side. First thing I noted was that a few of the Z5 pics were actually less blurry than the S6. LOL! I think I could have done better with the G4.
At 100% size, the Z5 and S6 had nearly the same level of detail across the pics, except for a few pics where either the S6 or Z5 was clearly blurred. The Z5 had smaller text because of the FOV, but it wasn't any harder to read.
I thought the S6 would be the clear winner with OIS, but the pics look very close in quality. Z5 should have slightly better colours, but I can't tell without neutral reference pics. I think you should have spent more time stabilizing the S6. From your pics and video, I'd choose the Z5, since the only thing that's clearly better from the two sets was the Z5's FHD video. xD

Now that I've had the Z5 for a couple of weeks, here are my thoughts:
Here on XDA, we tend to get overly technical (no, really?), so I've been thinking about how a "normal" person would decide to get and use the Z5. I bought the Z5 based on early impressions of its video performance and technical details of the new camera system (dat closed-loop actuator). After taking some family vids running around the house, I'd say it works as advertised.
But it was my SO's reaction (a non-geek) that was more telling. She was curious how the videos would turn out, as I barely paid attention to the phone while it was taking videos. She was impressed and commented that it was so smooth that it looked "professional". As any family man knows, having the "other half" onboard with a tech purchase means life is good! Heh!
The photo quality? Frankly, she didn't notice much difference between the Z5, G4 or even my old Z Ultra. The G4's OIS didn't help much for impromptu pics of people. I had plenty of blurred indoor shots of moving faces with each phone. The Z5 did try harder with face detection and scene selection to get good pics, while the G4 was basically a straight dummy point-and-shoot. The G4's strength is in its manual mode, and in quick snap situations, there was no time to play with the settings. Ironically, I caught some of the best moments - not talking about colour or details - from the Z Ultra, as it was the camera I was most familiar with. LOL!
The Z5 is now my go-to camera for videos. I think anyone who wants to take good family or vacation videos (or even vloggers), the Z5 is probably the best choice for a phone. Personally, I'd still take a real camera on vacations for better pics and optical zoom. Gawd, nothing is more annoying than taking a pic of something and have it show up the size of a pinhead because I couldn't zoom in.

Fulfilling half of my pledge. Other phone died & bartender didn't serve me tripod or OIS this evening. So SA w/o tripod all the way.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/albums/72157659569050879/with/22496859817/

schecter7 said:
Fulfilling half of my pledge. Other phone died & bartender didn't serve me tripod or OIS this evening. So SA w/o tripod all the way.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/albums/72157659569050879/with/22496859817/
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Good shots and a good example piece that demonstrates that you can get very good night shots from the Z5. I especially like the carriage.
As is my way, I've been looking through Flickr at S6 shots that random people have posted and have come across images like https://flic.kr/p/A14UVf and https://flic.kr/p/ytEfJq - both of which are noisier than a great many night shots and indoors night shots I've taken with my Z5. These are not isolated examples.
Not very scientific, I know, but it's evidence that getting good results is as much about the person behind the camera as it is about the camera itself. Those S6 shots aren't really any better than anything that the Z5 could produce: detail is relatively similar (though a little better with the S6, probably) and noise is higher. Compare that bar shot with one of mine in MUCH worse lighting (so much darker than the image produced): https://flic.kr/p/AHaxNj . Sure, the detail is smudgy but it is there and there is far less noise, to boot. Not saying that my image is perfect - anything but - but seeing the S6 bar shot above (Full of very ugly noise in an environment with many more light sources) makes me wonder just how much better the S6 would've handled that scene, if at all.

Some of my initial comparative shots.
Just my first day with Z5, and the shots are in difficult conditions sometimes, on purpose.
The Zoom is ok considering it was bad lighting.
https://flic.kr/s/aHsknZUGYc

Photo quality

Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Sony Xperia XZ1 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

mobile01.com
Samsung Galaxy Note 8 | Sony Xperia XZ1 | Sony Xperia XZ Premium - https://www.mobile01.com/newsdetail/22317/camera-review-xperia-xz1-vs-galaxy-note-8

sogi.com.tw
Another one - https://www.sogi.com.tw/articles/sony_xperia_xz1/6249725

did anyone tried if the xz1 has the same camera problem of the xz premium?
I want to preorder this phone since it comes with a really good pair of headphones!

The camera distortion is confirmed in XZ1. Still there
https://sumahoinfo.com/xperia-xz1-x...camera-comparison-hikaku-distortion-confirmed
Ive compared the pictures. Honestly, i see the distorition on XZ1 but i also see in Samsung too.
The only pic that is ridiculous for the XZ1 is the one of the wall. But the other ones are pretty much the same distortion... there are pics that the angle are also pretty much different comparing to samsung.
https://www.mobile01.com/newsdetail/22317/camera-review-xperia-xz1-vs-galaxy-note-8

Wow, it looks pretty bad for XZ1. Even my Z1 and Z3 Compact have less distortion, especially on grass and trees.

Can anyone post some sample daylight shots at different ISO just to compare ISO performance.
I personally don't care about low light since low light is something you (at least pro users) never shoot in auto mode since you want to shoot in lower ISO to reduce noise. Which xperia camera fails to do with lack of OIS. Since it cannot lower shutter speed to compensate for low ISO.

I am impressed with the low-light performance of the camera in the XZ1. These shots was though snaped in Auto Mode.
What do you think?

xFirefly93 said:
I am impressed with the low-light performance of the camera in the XZ1. These shots was though snaped in Auto Mode.
What do you think?
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It's not auto mode. It's manual with cc 1 sec and the phone on a tripod

https://photos.app.goo.gl/kyq4DrNL2AUdPcpb8
No distortion and very good photo quality in any situations.
I don't know if people know how to take a photo?
I do not accept that xz1 gives bad photos from people who shoot photos and videos with their phone vertical!

Very nice pictures yours! I bought xz1 on Amazon and when it arrived to me I was so happy...but, after a week, I gave it back! Why? Camera quality. I didn't believe my eyes, in certain light conditions, no way to take a decent picture, nor in automatic neither in manual mode. Still now, it seems impossible to me, and I'm thinking that it was a faulty device... Should I buy another one, giving to xz1 a second chance?
P.S. it seemed that HDR wasn't working at all! For example, taking a picture of a white wall on a green grass, the wall was burned and the grass nearly black...with all my other smartphones, the picture taken was nice

Nice pictures from your shared album.
Are you willing to share camera settings? Thanks in advance.

Hello my friend,today I see your question.
I have disabled the object track to let me make photometry with tap.
Then I use the burst mode every time.
For example on low light I set 1/4 shutter I shoot many photos in burst mode so I can have one or two unshaked photos.
For hdr I use very often camera mx with hdr on .
I think that the key is the burst mode.
Day or night with people or not I shoot burst.

for amazing reasults on static themes try camera super pixel and offcourse a little edit after ,just for hight lights and shadows .

Camera super pixel is amazing!!!!

Georgerapp said:
Camera super pixel is amazing!!!!
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Thanks for the recommendation and great find! I was skeptical this app wouldn't be great but the quality is better than the stock camera on my rooted device running AOSP.

xz1 gcam
If any one using lineage os please working GCam on my xz1.pls follow below thread & install latest apk .rear cam & front cam works. portriat not work.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/razer-phone/themes/apk-google-camera-6-1-021-modded-t3880003

Photo quality

Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Huawei P20 Pro come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

P20 Pro vs Pixel 2 XL...
I have both devices currently and from my very brief short time with the P20 pro , the pictures taken with it don't even come close to the quality you can get from the Pixel 2 XL.
Please tell me its just a case of faulty software, else I think I may be taking this phone back sadly.
Problems so far
Images lack any real detail and are very soft
HDR mode still hidden
Night Mode whilst great is still a 4 sec picture.. (but still soft ) - (The advantage you get from those 4 secs does not seem worth it from my quick test - but i'll keep testing)
Camera UI is rubbish... (subjective i know)
But it will be interesting to know if anyone else as similar experiences , as most reviewers online appear to suggest that this is the best camera phone ever!
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Soft images.

Photo Quality
Have taken a few shots with the camera, the modes are the same pretty much as in the Mate 10 Pro so you have fully manual "Pro Mode" which shoots RAW plus a range of features including;
HDR
Light Painting
Monochrome
Aperture
Portrait
Night Shot
Panorama
The beauty mode is now a lot less aggressive on 0 setting and in portrait mode you can get some amazing detail and shallow depth of field.
The overall star is night shot which takes a 3 second long exposure which is fully stabilized and its like a super HDR setting which blows away the Mate 10 Pro I had before. Even using zoom (pinch to zoom on screen is enabled) the level of detail and depth is like using a dedicated camera.
I think with photography and equipment there is a large element of variation in the skill of the reviewers and unless you have both cameras in identical circumstances which is nigh on impossible, its difficult to be fair to compare. A lot of reviews I have seen go on about the AI not being perfect, which it isn't yet on any phone but its nice that this technology is developing to allow better shots for average Joe.
I normally use a full frame Sony Alpha and I can honestly say so far the image quality I am getting on the P20 Pro is the best of any phone I have used.
I cant comment on the XL but I have owned the Mate 10 Pro, Note 8, S8+ and IPhone 7 all recently and although these are all good phones with great cameras the shots I have got out of the P20 Pro so far have impressed me a lot more.
As a side note personally I would never use any of the AI modes except Night Shot, I never use the AI enabled render modes which is where many of the reviewers have had problems because its not a perfected science yet.

This is a good phone to benchmark the camera chops of the reviewer, those who can actually do anything more than point n shoot photos are taking amazing shots with this phone. I'm stunned how good a lot of the shots are.

It's the zoom that really makes this phone. You can extract detail from shots that no other phone (especially the pixel 2) could remotely pull off. You can frame a subject at 5x zoom and get a detailed shot whereas the pixel 2 would be a blurry mess.
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Disappointing
I'm also comparing shot for shot with the Pixel 2 XL and finding so far, apart from zoom, the P20 Pro is inferior to the Pixel 2. So far using only auto mode on both phones the Pixel shots are visibly superior, picking out more detail and producing better low light pictures. The only exception is the 5x zoom which is absolutely phenomenal on the P20. I've yet to try any night shots because it's been pretty much constant rain since the phone arrived. Considering the hype, I'm really disappointed in it. I know if I pull out the Pixel and grab a shot it's going to be good 99% of the time. I don't want to have to **** around with the settings every time I want to take a photo. Also the front facing camera is a joke. Even with beauty mode turned off, the image lacks detail and is ridiculously overexposed. The AI isn't particularly useful either - tried taking a photo of my dog in the garden and the AI went nuts flicking between the dog and greenery settings. There's a good camera in this phone but the Huawei processing is smothering it.

Huawei camera always more suitable for professional or those who love to play with settings. As a point and shoot I do see Samsung and pixel are capable of shooting better photos. But with a superior hardware I do believe there is nothing Huawei can't fix with a software update.

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P20 Pro vs Pixel 2 XL...
I have both devices currently and from my very brief short time with the P20 pro , the pictures taken with it don't even come close to the quality you can get from the Pixel 2 XL.
Please tell me its just a case of faulty software, else I think I may be taking this phone back sadly.
Problems so far
Images lack any real detail and are very soft
HDR mode still hidden
Night Mode whilst great is still a 4 sec picture.. (but still soft ) - (The advantage you get from those 4 secs does not seem worth it from my quick test - but i'll keep testing)
Camera UI is rubbish... (subjective i know)
But it will be interesting to know if anyone else as similar experiences , as most reviewers online appear to suggest that this is the best camera phone ever!
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Soft images.
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In P20 pro u use 40mp or 10mp supersampling resolution? Better stick to 10mp dude, and did it has an option to turn off the AI scene recognition? If have, turn it off.
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German review but you can still look at the pictures. No night mode sadly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWXKp817fJI

The biggest problem I'm having is the wildly variable greens. Sometimes it will go nuts and make grass look like some kind of weird neon lit alien landscape then in the next shot, perfect. This happens with the AI on and off. Everything else is pretty close to natural, just doesn't seem able to handle grass.

Hello guys.. p20 pro camera is doing well but no perfect!! Im sure that will be an update as fast as possible... but the realy problem isnt the 40 mp camera but the selfie camera witch is 24mp and the quality is very low and some times selfi captures seems discolored!!
anyone else noticed that discolored?

Bad quality for the hardware that's inside. Terribly overprocessed images that looks very fake most of the time. Only way to bypass that is to shot in 40mp but that introduces heavy purple fringe. Someone at Huawei should get fired. Both my iPhone X and LG V10 gives me better images.

huawei and their marketing gimmicks and paid reviewers

dannejanne said:
Bad quality for the hardware that's inside. Terribly overprocessed images that looks very fake most of the time. Only way to bypass that is to shot in 40mp but that introduces heavy purple fringe. Someone at Huawei should get fired. Both my iPhone X and LG V10 gives me better images.
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Not so bad I think. But I agree often color are overexposed, and I close the Ai suggestion to have better result especially in greenery

justyourimage said:
Well yes.
It's surprising that Huawei actually managed to load a Smartphone full of a Camera Sensor with 1/1.7" size 1.6 Aperature, OIS on all three cameras and still doesn't manage to make a simple non-progressed picture under daylight conditions that looks like a $50 phone from 2008. Most $100 China-Smartphones from 2017 do manage to make better-looking pictures.
I don't know who in their Software-Devision took drugs to actually **** up that bad but yes - it's purely software releated.
Most likey due to both cameras adding the picture in overlay mode even while shooting with the main-sensor without any after-processing would be more then plenty with that capable hardware.
Actually maybe that Aperature is the only drawback I'm seeing (lens-flare) where the S9+ has a hand over it but aside from that ...
And ****ing the Software so much up is actually a bad thing. I'd recommend anyone to wait a few months to see if they even mange to fix it - unless you're shooting RAW only in Manual Mode.
Maybe if we're lucky we'll see a ported Google Camera with HDR+ on it ...
Sight, that thing is a beast tamed with the worst software I've seen in a long time. Kinda reminding me of the LG when it was going back to down ...
If I were Huawei I'd fire my Software devision and pay Google to actually develop a working Software for them.
Manual Mode or not, there is a limit how stupidly broken you can make an Auto-Mode ... and calling that thing AI-Powered is even more funny.
Just look at the daylight samples of DXoMark ... it should have never gotten such high scores at all at its current stage (that's Huawei for you ...)
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German review but you can still look at the pictures. No night mode sadly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWXKp817fJI
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That guy had me at *wearing a Stratovarius t-shirt* lol

I recently bought a P20 and as a previous P10 owner, the front 24mp camera of the P20 is AWFUL. I will NOT sugar coat it but this thing has a very very bad front camera. It looks like an upscaled 5MP camera. Images are soft and overexposed. Dynamic range is pretty bad! Huawei just wanted to put a higher resolution since most China OEMs have 24MP cameras these days.
The 8mp f/1.9 front camera of the P10 is much clearer, sharper in ALL lighting conditions. I miss the feature wherein the front camera field of view will change if you are taking a group shot.
Youtube reviewers are too scared to criticize the front camera solely because Huawei have been sponsoring their flights and accommodation on their annual P series events.

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I recently bought a P20 and as a previous P10 owner, the front 24mp camera of the P20 is AWFUL. I will NOT sugar coat it but this thing has a very very bad front camera. It looks like an upscaled 5MP camera. Images are soft and overexposed. Dynamic range is pretty bad! Huawei just wanted to put a higher resolution since most China OEMs have 24MP cameras these days.
The 8mp f/1.9 front camera of the P10 is much clearer, sharper in ALL lighting conditions. I miss the feature wherein the front camera field of view will change if you are taking a group shot.
Youtube reviewers are too scared to criticize the front camera solely because Huawei have been sponsoring their flights and accommodation on their annual P series events.
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Here is a video review for P20 PRO vs P20 I made on my channel. The Pro is king, but the regular p20 is not that far behind.
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Of Huawei cameras. Not all smartphone cameras, i still think the pixel 2 can overtake it in pretty much al scenarios...

Overall love

Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Nokia 9 PureView, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Nokia 9 PureView is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

I wanted to love this phone. The design and screen are super solid. Taking it out of the $7 clear case that I got just to make sure I didn't scratch it in the first week, to appreciate how solid and smooth the phone felt, was a real joy. The clarity and color of the screen are quite impressive. I was constantly looking for the camera to impress me, and once I finally had come to the conclusion that every photo was good enough that I could tweak in editing to make it how good I wanted it to be initially, I was really happy to have it. But then with the constant frustration of the fingerprint scanner and the terrible sounding speaker, I decided that the camera was not good enough to keep me holding on to this one, even for the very good $599 price. Packed the phone up and thinking hard about bringing it back today.

I love the fact that this phone produces raw DNG files that i can actually use.
My P20 Pro on the other hand spits out useless raw files that suffer from vignetting in both brightness and color cast. And the jpg files are horrible overprocessed , The P20 Pro, photo wise, was a bit of a disappointment for me. It still baffles me how it was able to achieve such high scores.
From the few pic's i already took with the Nokia , i can say that i finally have a phone again that can take normal looking pictures.

I love this phone. Ofc i could be bias, since im coming from a Windows phone. However since my first nokia, i've always liked their phones on a unconscious level. After owning the 920, 1020 & 950, moving from windows to Android was so much better. 7 was my favorite but im starting to feel like Pie is my new fav now. So maybe i am loving the android one experience more than the phone itself.
There are a couple annoyances, as with any phone, luckily most of the Nokia 9's can be fixed via software.
Here are my two little annoyances:
-Finger Printer reader...need i say more...check my post under 'Can anyone get the fingerprint scanner to work most of the time' for a possible workaround.
-Can't remove Google assistant or date on home screen without 3rd party launcher or rooting; this is because of Android One experience.
Other than that, i love the phone because i've been on a deprecated pos that was Balmer's ugly-headed step-child.

I really love this phone. Mine came yesterday morning so these views are based on this short time with the phone.
Keep in mind that I was coming from a Galaxy Note 4 which I bought on release day. I thought this was a great phone and it has served me well, but nothing since has really given me the push to replace it. I saw the Nokia 9 when it was announced at MWC and pre-ordered the next day.
Highlights so far:
Android One - After coming from a Samsung experience this is a breath of fresh air.
Design - I think notches and hole punches (the new Samsung method) are ridiculous. I have a real hate of them because they are unnecessary and this phone proves it. I've seen reviewers mention the top and bottom bezel as a negative but I'm yet to find an actual person who has actually identified them as a problem. I've wrapped this phone in a TPU case and fitted a glass screen protector to protect it against my kids and my active lifestyle and it still feels amazing in the hand. It looks stunning as well. Yes, I'm aware of its similarity to the Note 4.
Camera - My experience of the camera so far has been fantastic. I've taken a number of photos in different conditions and it has performed excellently. Processing times haven't gotten in my way. I've taken a few snaps, put it in my pocket and come back to it later. I've had loads of fun with the post shot depth adjustment which is very impressive. And the monochrome sensors on their own give you something special.
Battery life - Battery life has been excellent. My day starts at 6am which is when I unplug my phone from where it is charging. I'm sat here typing it 17 hours later and its still on 67%. During this time I have used GPS for about an hour to track my ride to and from work, its been paired with my smart watch all day so the radios have been running for that. And beyond that its just been general browsing and messaging.
GPS - When I opened Strava it locks on instantly.
Negatives:
Fingerprint reader - It needs work. I hope they can fix this with software. It works most of the time with my forefinger. And sometimes with my thumb. For something like this. If it doesn't work first time, most of the time then it doesn't work.
Switching between camera modes - Seems to be a bit of lag switching between modes.
I'm really looking forward to spending more time using this phone, Ill post photos in the photo thread when I have a decent selection.

Not recommending
Touch sensitivity is very poor, often requiring 2 or 3 touches to register. Feels like a low end phone with resistive screen from 6 years ago. Not a flagship. Not even a mid-ranger. I had cranked up the pointer speed to maximum in the keyboard and language section of Settings but that made no difference. My typing accuracy has also plummeted from my previous Nexus 6p. Seems like a recurring problem across Nokia phones. Come to think about it my touch screen percentage echoes my fingerprint success. Perhaps the issue is not the reader but the overall touch registration.
Using Snapseed instead of Lightroom to edit Raw but there is a real eye opener on the web where the camera is compared to previous generations of Nokia Pure Views. Not pretty. And unlike others, I do not expect improvement with the camera. Light and HMD Global have worked on this camera array for years. What is 6 months more going to achieve except for better stability and less aggressive sharpening? The low light is truly horrendous.
Not recommending to friends. Still, I will keep because I dislike returning and not too many Android One offerings.
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Besides well documented issues with fingerprint reader and camera, phone suffers from awful touch sensitivity. One fallout is wildly inaccurate keyboard accuracy. Unpleasant to use for surfing or social media.
Choice of cases is limited. For example, I have not been able to find a real leather wallet case; just PU cases with magnetic closures. This seems to be an issue for any phone that is not an Apple or a Samsung Galaxy.
On the other hand, voice quality is fine. So at the end if the day, it's a phone.

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That almost sounds like you have a hardware problem that most don't have. I have no sensitivity issues on the screen itself. It's been very accurate for me, and I've had it for a month now with no complaints on that end. The fingerprint reader sucks, but the sensitivity of the screen itself has been flawless.

Likes:
Image quality, very nice useable raw files
Look and feel
Screen
Speed
Battery (if you don't use the camera to much)
Dislikes:
Unprotected lenses , yes it looks cool flush to the body. But it also means scratch prone. Now I need to use a ugly case. Normally I never use a case as it's at bulk and looks not very nice.
Updates, Android one suppose to be secure by giving you monthly updates. It's April, still has the February security update. Both Sony xz3 and note 9 got the March update at the beginning of March both are not Android one. So at the moment I'm not impressed at all by Android one
Camera crashes sometimes. Suppose to be fixed in an upcoming update (whenever it may arrive)
All in all it is better in my view than the xz3 or mate 9 . Especially considering the price, but I'm a bit pissed about the update situation (you might have noticed it )

Really have tried with the phone, and wanted to like it, but to me it just seems un finished to me, the finger print sensor is just hopeless, even with the recent update and re enrolling, it really doesn't seem to work, even with wet or dry hands, Whilst an impressive camera, I've missed many moments waiting for it to load, or process (wanted the phone for a new New born baby we've had) even though shes not moving much yet, I've missed various photos. Sadly its now in a draw, and I've purchased a p30 pro from ebay, its like a breath of fresh air, the camera is astonishing, nice to see how an optical finger print sensor should work too!

Got it for 230$ used ... Can't complain ?
But it's unfinished product.
Back to the stone age and using pin code to unlock.
Camera takes too long
Speaker is bad
In another word ... I would never buy it for 600 or 500 dollars nor count on it as main device

I bought the Nokia 9 (single SIM) two weeks ago as a portable replacement for my Canon 80d and it does not fail me a bit. Here is my reflection on the two cameras:
Disclaimer: I am an architecture student with an interest in photography, not an expert photographer.
First I would like to acknowledge that it is always problematic comparing a DSLR and a camera phone due to the built-in mechanical difference which is always more robust on the former. That's why people buy DSLR in the first place. However, one can appreciate the Nokia 9 camera because it offers a very unique photographic rendition and experience (plus other perks of smartphone cameras).
Favorite settings: both camera at 100 ISO, on tripod for night photography. For Nokia, Snapsneed for JPEG, Lightroom mobile for RAW. For Canon, RAW in Lightroom Desktop.
Price: I got my 80d brand new with lens kit for 990 CAD in 2019 and Nokia 9 for 375 CAD 2 weeks ago.
Pixel size (similar): Canon 80d is 24 MP at 3.7μm pixel. Nokia is 12 MP at 1.4μm. If you downsize the 80d to 12 MP, the pixel size becomes 1.8μm which is quite close to the Nokia's. Larger pixels equal less noise and a brighter image.
LCD preview (Nokia): The Canon 80d's photos look great on the camera LCD screen (due to the added color tint) but when you view the actual JPEG on PC, the quality tapers out. The Nokia 9 is polar opposite, the resultant jpeg usually much better and brighter than the image shown in the viewfinder.
Video recording (Canon): the Canon 80d is fine-tuned for video recording whereas the Nokia 9 is for taking photos so there's no surprise that its video recording is really really bad, nuff said )
Audio recording (Nokia): Nokia's OZO system is much better than the Canon built-in audio recorder. To take full advantage of this feature on Nokia, use a tripod when you record your video. For audio recording, I would recommend the recording app on XDA which enables the OZO when you record audio (intended for Nokia 7.2 but should work on the Nokia 9). Link: https://forum.xda-developers.com/nokia-7-plus/themes/mod-nokia-recorder-ozo-support-t3917232
Shooting mode and speed (Subjective): Manual on the 80d is equal to Pro Mode in Nokia 9 (manual shutter speed and ISO, auto exposure compensation). Most of the time, I leave the white balance on both to auto. While the interface on the Nokia is very basic, it is faster to adjust and preview for quick manual snaps.
Manual focus (Canon): Due to its fixed lenses, in Pro mode, Nokia 9 sometimes keep the background out of focus when there's a much closer subject. Refocusing in Pro mode, however, messes up your settings. There's a very simple workaround: just enable flash in Auto mode, switch to Pro mode, refocus, you will see the flash light up, snap your photo and all the ISO & . It is that simple. Or you can refocus later using Blur in Gphotos. Ofcourse, the Canon is better at manual focus. You can tap on the screen to focus and take the picture at the same time which is very convenient.
Color science (subjective): Famed for its beautiful color science, I expect the Canon 80d to excel the Nokia all the time but to my surprise, in many instances (30%), the colors produced by the Nokia 9 are more interesting and cinematic than those snapped by Canon 80d (probably due to its fusion of B&W + color sensors). For JPEG, Canon has a warmer and buttery color than Nokia which is understandable. For unedited RAW, Nokia produces a cooler image than Canon. But again, all RAW's temperature and color channel can be adjusted in post.
Dynamic range (similar): Canon 80d has 13.2 stops at base ISO (theoretical) and 12.8 at ISO 100 (usable). Nokia 9 has 12.4 stops at ISO 100. What is incredible is that at ISO 100, the Nokia 9 produces a much brighter image than the 80d. Its dynamic range is comparable to the Canon Mark series(refer to photos by Tuomas Harjumaaskola for more info). Most of the details in the overexposed objects can be salvaged in RAW. If you don't want to touch RAW, increase the shutter speed until the brightest spot in the picture is well-exposed. Then, increase the scene brightness later in Snapsneed.
Tonal range & Texture (Nokia): Nokia is better than Canon on this one due to its fusion technology between B&W + RGB channel. Subtle textures and curves on clothing 10-15 meters away are visible on the Nokia's JPEG. Incredible! Imagine layering B&W + RBG photos of the same scene in Photoshop. That is how the Nokia 9 do.
Sharpness (subjective): Canon 80d's sharpness is medium - high depending on the lenses you use. Many people complain about the Nokia 9's overshapened look which I can understand. However, for me personally, the sharper the better since architectural photography on Nokia is amazing. High-end dslr lenses are expensive because they produce sharper image (+ less distortion + let in more light). At first glance, the Nokia 9 looks sharper than the 80d. However, when you zoom up full scale the Nokia's sharpness degrades much faster than the 80d. This is because Nokia uses its tonal range to compensate for the lack of sharpness far away while the Canon relies on its sensors and lenses.Tip: if you don't like the Nokia 9 jpeg's sharpness, use the RAW file.
Noise (Canon): Canon 80d has minimal noise due to the built-in noise reduction which also means you sacrifice some of the sharpness. However, since I always use a prime lenses, this is not noticeable. For JPEG, Nokia 9 has more noise on reflective surface far away. Nokia 9 noise at 100 ISO is similar to 80d noise around 500 ISO. For RAW, noise level on Nokia is similar to the 80d but it has less sharpness. For best quality JPEG and RAW on Nokia, always shoot in Pro mode at 100 ISO.
B&W photography (Nokia): Canon 80d is converted B&W whereas Nokia 9 has B&W sensors (not true monochrome) but is nonetheless on par or even better than 80d's B&W at times.
Night photography (Subjective): This is probably area where most people trash the Nokia 9. I think after an update some time this year, the camera has been able to take 5 or more snaps per lenses. I was able to get a RAW at around 30-40 MB for each night shot. Previously, it only takes 1-2 snaps which from my research, produces abysmal results. In my experiment, I set the ISO to 100 and the shutter speed to 8 seconds on a tripod and the amount of detail it captures is astonishingly good. Noise and RAW quality are similar to day shots although JPEGs does a bad job at capturing the nuances of direct street light. In comparison, Canon 80d at 100 ISO and 8 seconds shows a pitch black scene. A good result is achieved on a tripod at 20 - 25s shutter speed. However, there's no denying that the picture produced looks fantastic. Both cameras complement each other in a way.
Special effects (personal): Canon has a lot more customized modes for specific scenes built in but I think the Color Pop/Blur effect by the Nokia is more useful (enabled by the incredible depth map). The 1200 layers are not a gimmick, you just need to keep the camera sight line parallel to the ground. Since the ToF sensor travels straight, whatever object it hits first is the foreground.
RAW post-edit support in Lightroom (similar): similar but Canon has a slight edge.
Processing time (personal): Images on Canon 80d takes a larger learning curve + longer to edit but it produces a very good final result. Nokia 9 images take less editing time and consistently produces nice looking images for social media.

I really wanted to love this phone, the hardware is impressive, the display in particular is the nicest!
But it's the software that's a disappointment, every now and then I have to restart my device to have the notifications to play sound again, and frequently after plugging my phone in to charge the display stops working and I have to soft reset.
The camera software is slow, kills battery, over heats, and the torch/flash rarely functions giving the error message "can't use torch, camera is in use"
GCam is not an option unfortunately
Have been thinking about switching phones but HMD hasn't offered a proper replacement yet, my patience is almost over!

Photo quality

Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Sony Xperia 1 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
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So,.... Basically, on the camera front,...
Winner winner chicken dinner.
Finally.
Full review with samples coming soon.

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daily photos. This mode definitely overcomes the Galaxy S10. We compared these two smartphones during the shoot. The shot is fast
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It seems that it still has issues with overblown light sources and dynamic range. Maybe someone could test if there is a difference with the HDR-mode or even RAW-photos developed with LR? Thanks.

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It seems that it still has issues with overblown light sources and dynamic range. Maybe someone could test if there is a difference with the HDR-mode or even RAW-photos developed with LR? Thanks.
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Dynmic range is fine. There's a difference between always-on HDR, which leads to unrealistic levels of detail in shadows and dark skies on a bright day, and "good" dynamic range. The Sony gets it about right.
You CAN get the same results as competitors if you hop over to Manual HDR - which is a whole new algorythm, as far as I can see - but I've done it a few times now and,... I just think it looks fake. Which it is.
The X1 outputs the most realistic and reliable photographs of any current smartphone.
They're impeccably coloured, naturally exposed and full of detail.
Don't be fooled into being told that flattening the dynamic range is what makes a picture good - there's far more at play than that. The DR on the X1 is absolutely fine and the rest of the output is, frankly, top-of-the-pack.
Samples: https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/

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You CAN get the same results as competitors if you hop over to Manual HDR - which is a whole new algorythm, as far as I can see - but I've done it a few times now and,... I just think it looks fake. Which it is.
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The new algorithm sounds interesting. I guess this one night picture with the supermarket shows that it overexposes the lamps of the shop, wich you can also see in other pictures around the internet. That´s the problem... Maybe you could upload this picture with HDR? Or other pictures as comparison between non-HDR/HDR? Would be great!

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The new algorithm sounds interesting. I guess this one night picture with the supermarket shows that it overexposes the lamps of the shop, wich you can also see in other pictures around the internet. That´s the problem... Maybe you could upload this picture with HDR? Or other pictures as comparison between non-HDR/HDR? Would be great!
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My p20 pro has really spoiled me in that regard. It is insane how good it handles contre jour (against the light).

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The new algorithm sounds interesting. I guess this one night picture with the supermarket shows that it overexposes the lamps of the shop, wich you can also see in other pictures around the internet. That´s the problem... Maybe you could upload this picture with HDR? Or other pictures as comparison between non-HDR/HDR? Would be great!
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Your wish is my command,...
https://youtu.be/DbzytyjfWJk
Link to full resolution images in the description, as are my notes.

Random point and shoot. Love how each image turns out of this camera. Colour grading, sharpness and dynamic range is on point. Little bit of tweaking makes images so dramatic. Definitely one of my favourite phone cameras.
4K video with gimbal and Cinema Pro app is great too. Would be amazing to shoot cinematic videos.

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Your wish is my command,... Link to full resolution images in the description, as are my notes.
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Thanks so much. Really great. :good:

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someone on ESATO mentioned main camera lens of all unit are faulty.
what do you think?
https://www.esato.com/phonephotos/cam/sony/j9110/201906060815K2dnO6.jpg

I don't find the camera all that, stutter speed is laggy and the focus is not as good as my Samsung note 9.
I will play around more and see but I think few more updates on the camera are needed.
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a5ian300zx said:
I don't find the camera all that, stutter speed is laggy and the focus is not as good as my Samsung note 9.
I will play around more and see but I think few more updates on the camera are needed.
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Testing some more, I will like to correct my comment the clarity of the picture is sharper than the note 9, I will test the stutter speed when I get chance.
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a5ian300zx said:
Testing some more, I will like to correct my comment the clarity of the picture is sharper than the note 9, I will test the stutter speed when I get chance.
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side by side comparison with Note 9 is welcomed....
if xperia 1 takes comparable or better photos than Note 9...that is considered very good news for most casual users

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side by side comparison with Note 9 is welcomed....
if xperia 1 takes comparable or better photos than Note 9...that is considered very good news for most casual users
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A look at GSMA's tests show that it does. It's a noisier image certainly but Samsung have always been over-the-top with their noise suppression and there's no doubt at all that the X1 produces more detail with better, more natural colours. Yes you have to manually go into HDR to reign in bright skies if the Sony doesn't select "backlight" - unlike the Sammy - but it's a slight problem that's just a tap away.
What I love about this camera is how natural the images look. They don't look over-processed or over contrasty. The colours are realistic and the DR is very,.. dunno. Filmic? Every picture I take with the thing just looks classy.
I'd put it above the Pixel too: resolved detail is about the same for both (IE better than Samsung's) but Sony's images are cleaner. Even at night - and despite "Night Light" - the Sony's night shots are better than the Pixels, IMHO.
The only phone that seems to be genuinely producing something better on the camera front is the P30 Pro - so long as the AI mode is switched off. If you can live with the 2mp detail loss, I'd say it just about keeps hold of the top spot. The Sony has the better camcorder, however,.... so,.....
But I've no doubt at all that the Xperia 1 is top two in the smartphone camera race this year. No doubt at all.

xzpremium1976 said:
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daily photos. This mode definitely overcomes the Galaxy S10. We compared these two smartphones during the shoot. The shot is fast
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I have both xperia 1 and S10plus.....no way for Sony to beat s10+ photos. Also videos in 4K are horrible and the stabilisation terrible in Sony.
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Timaustin2000 said:
A look at GSMA's tests show that it does. It's a noisier image certainly but Samsung have always been over-the-top with their noise suppression and there's no doubt at all that the X1 produces more detail with better, more natural colours. Yes you have to manually go into HDR to reign in bright skies if the Sony doesn't select "backlight" - unlike the Sammy - but it's a slight problem that's just a tap away.
What I love about this camera is how natural the images look. They don't look over-processed or over contrasty. The colours are realistic and the DR is very,.. dunno. Filmic? Every picture I take with the thing just looks classy.
I'd put it above the Pixel too: resolved detail is about the same for both (IE better than Samsung's) but Sony's images are cleaner. Even at night - and despite "Night Light" - the Sony's night shots are better than the Pixels, IMHO.
The only phone that seems to be genuinely producing something better on the camera front is the P30 Pro - so long as the AI mode is switched off. If you can live with the 2mp detail loss, I'd say it just about keeps hold of the top spot. The Sony has the better camcorder, however,.... so,.....
But I've no doubt at all that the Xperia 1 is top two in the smartphone camera race this year. No doubt at all.
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All the photos if you crop them are much noisier than s10+ photos...

Nop the photos of the S10 + leave burned and with more noise
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marko68 said:
I have both xperia 1 and S10plus.....no way for Sony to beat s10+ photos. Also videos in 4K are horrible and the stabilisation terrible in Sony.
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All the photos if you crop them are much noisier than s10+ photos...
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And if you crop into all - and I mean all - of GSMA's S10 images you'll notice that they contain much less fine detail than the sony, especially at night.
If "Ooooh, there's no noise" is how you judge a camera then you've a long way to go, my friend.
GSMAs comparisson shots - and my own experience with both - tell the same story over and over again: The Sony produces a more detailed, better composed shot with extremely accurate White Balance without the temptation to blow greens and reds up to 20, as the S10 does. Yes, the Sony sacrifices some noise in the persuit of more detail but the detail is important: it gives pictures texture and fidelity. It gives realism. Ever since the s7, Samsung's awful processing algorythm has saught to display no noise whatsoever and every time I see the same result: plastic images with flat detailing, over-contrasted, over coloured. Great for instagram but awful as actual pictures.
If you don't actually care about the quality of pictures, go ahead and love the S10. I'll take that little extra noise (LESS noise, I might add, than any LG OR the Pixel 3 range - by a significant margin) for a truly textured, composed image.
And there's no question that the S10 is worse at night. Its saving grace is that it controls strong light sources better than the Sony but it's the X1 that has less noise, more detail, better colours and a far more realistic exposure (strong light sources accepted as a failing).
An S10 would not, for example, capture this image https://flic.kr/p/2gcamWy - (as usual, download it in full res). Noise is virtually nil, detail is very high for the light available (you can read the graffiti in the dust of the van and see blades of grass in shadow), it's sharp, colours are accurate, exposure is on point - including the sky, which was still partially lit. An S10 would have overexposed all of the shadows, blown out the sky and removed the fine detail - I see it time and time again.
But love what you love. C'est La Vie. But, with respect, that doesn't make you right.

Timaustin2000 said:
And if you crop into all - and I mean all - of GSMA's S10 images you'll notice that they contain much less fine detail than the sony, especially at night.
If "Ooooh, there's no noise" is how you judge a camera then you've a long way to go, my friend.
GSMAs comparisson shots - and my own experience with both - tell the same story over and over again: The Sony produces a more detailed, better composed shot with extremely accurate White Balance without the temptation to blow greens and reds up to 20, as the S10 does. Yes, the Sony sacrifices some noise in the persuit of more detail but the detail is important: it gives pictures texture and fidelity. It gives realism. Ever since the s7, Samsung's awful processing algorythm has saught to display no noise whatsoever and every time I see the same result: plastic images with flat detailing, over-contrasted, over coloured. Great for instagram but awful as actual pictures.
If you don't actually care about the quality of pictures, go ahead and love the S10. I'll take that little extra noise (LESS noise, I might add, than any LG OR the Pixel 3 range - by a significant margin) for a truly textured, composed image.
And there's no question that the S10 is worse at night. Its saving grace is that it controls strong light sources better than the Sony but it's the X1 that has less noise, more detail, better colours and a far more realistic exposure (strong light sources accepted as a failing).
An S10 would not, for example, capture this image https://flic.kr/p/2gcamWy - (as usual, download it in full res). Noise is virtually nil, detail is very high for the light available (you can read the graffiti in the dust of the van and see blades of grass in shadow), it's sharp, colours are accurate, exposure is on point - including the sky, which was still partially lit. An S10 would have overexposed all of the shadows, blown out the sky and removed the fine detail - I see it time and time again.
But love what you love. C'est La Vie. But, with respect, that doesn't make you right.
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Look at these two photos :
https://ibb.co/zZJr87p
https://ibb.co/wyx0Ft2
Flowers in Sony photo they have no details, you can't see properly the empty spaces in between flower petals, the s10+ photo is full of details, details missing in Sony
These photos are shot by myself not taken from an internet review...