Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Sony Xperia 1 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
So,.... Basically, on the camera front,...
Winner winner chicken dinner.
Finally.
Full review with samples coming soon.
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It seems that it still has issues with overblown light sources and dynamic range. Maybe someone could test if there is a difference with the HDR-mode or even RAW-photos developed with LR? Thanks.
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It seems that it still has issues with overblown light sources and dynamic range. Maybe someone could test if there is a difference with the HDR-mode or even RAW-photos developed with LR? Thanks.
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Dynmic range is fine. There's a difference between always-on HDR, which leads to unrealistic levels of detail in shadows and dark skies on a bright day, and "good" dynamic range. The Sony gets it about right.
You CAN get the same results as competitors if you hop over to Manual HDR - which is a whole new algorythm, as far as I can see - but I've done it a few times now and,... I just think it looks fake. Which it is.
The X1 outputs the most realistic and reliable photographs of any current smartphone.
They're impeccably coloured, naturally exposed and full of detail.
Don't be fooled into being told that flattening the dynamic range is what makes a picture good - there's far more at play than that. The DR on the X1 is absolutely fine and the rest of the output is, frankly, top-of-the-pack.
Samples: https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
Timaustin2000 said:
You CAN get the same results as competitors if you hop over to Manual HDR - which is a whole new algorythm, as far as I can see - but I've done it a few times now and,... I just think it looks fake. Which it is.
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The new algorithm sounds interesting. I guess this one night picture with the supermarket shows that it overexposes the lamps of the shop, wich you can also see in other pictures around the internet. That´s the problem... Maybe you could upload this picture with HDR? Or other pictures as comparison between non-HDR/HDR? Would be great!
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The new algorithm sounds interesting. I guess this one night picture with the supermarket shows that it overexposes the lamps of the shop, wich you can also see in other pictures around the internet. That´s the problem... Maybe you could upload this picture with HDR? Or other pictures as comparison between non-HDR/HDR? Would be great!
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My p20 pro has really spoiled me in that regard. It is insane how good it handles contre jour (against the light).
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The new algorithm sounds interesting. I guess this one night picture with the supermarket shows that it overexposes the lamps of the shop, wich you can also see in other pictures around the internet. That´s the problem... Maybe you could upload this picture with HDR? Or other pictures as comparison between non-HDR/HDR? Would be great!
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Your wish is my command,...
https://youtu.be/DbzytyjfWJk
Link to full resolution images in the description, as are my notes.
Random point and shoot. Love how each image turns out of this camera. Colour grading, sharpness and dynamic range is on point. Little bit of tweaking makes images so dramatic. Definitely one of my favourite phone cameras.
4K video with gimbal and Cinema Pro app is great too. Would be amazing to shoot cinematic videos.
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Your wish is my command,... Link to full resolution images in the description, as are my notes.
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Thanks so much. Really great. :good:
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someone on ESATO mentioned main camera lens of all unit are faulty.
what do you think?
https://www.esato.com/phonephotos/cam/sony/j9110/201906060815K2dnO6.jpg
I don't find the camera all that, stutter speed is laggy and the focus is not as good as my Samsung note 9.
I will play around more and see but I think few more updates on the camera are needed.
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a5ian300zx said:
I don't find the camera all that, stutter speed is laggy and the focus is not as good as my Samsung note 9.
I will play around more and see but I think few more updates on the camera are needed.
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Testing some more, I will like to correct my comment the clarity of the picture is sharper than the note 9, I will test the stutter speed when I get chance.
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a5ian300zx said:
Testing some more, I will like to correct my comment the clarity of the picture is sharper than the note 9, I will test the stutter speed when I get chance.
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side by side comparison with Note 9 is welcomed....
if xperia 1 takes comparable or better photos than Note 9...that is considered very good news for most casual users
Onepunchbro said:
side by side comparison with Note 9 is welcomed....
if xperia 1 takes comparable or better photos than Note 9...that is considered very good news for most casual users
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A look at GSMA's tests show that it does. It's a noisier image certainly but Samsung have always been over-the-top with their noise suppression and there's no doubt at all that the X1 produces more detail with better, more natural colours. Yes you have to manually go into HDR to reign in bright skies if the Sony doesn't select "backlight" - unlike the Sammy - but it's a slight problem that's just a tap away.
What I love about this camera is how natural the images look. They don't look over-processed or over contrasty. The colours are realistic and the DR is very,.. dunno. Filmic? Every picture I take with the thing just looks classy.
I'd put it above the Pixel too: resolved detail is about the same for both (IE better than Samsung's) but Sony's images are cleaner. Even at night - and despite "Night Light" - the Sony's night shots are better than the Pixels, IMHO.
The only phone that seems to be genuinely producing something better on the camera front is the P30 Pro - so long as the AI mode is switched off. If you can live with the 2mp detail loss, I'd say it just about keeps hold of the top spot. The Sony has the better camcorder, however,.... so,.....
But I've no doubt at all that the Xperia 1 is top two in the smartphone camera race this year. No doubt at all.
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I have both xperia 1 and S10plus.....no way for Sony to beat s10+ photos. Also videos in 4K are horrible and the stabilisation terrible in Sony.
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Timaustin2000 said:
A look at GSMA's tests show that it does. It's a noisier image certainly but Samsung have always been over-the-top with their noise suppression and there's no doubt at all that the X1 produces more detail with better, more natural colours. Yes you have to manually go into HDR to reign in bright skies if the Sony doesn't select "backlight" - unlike the Sammy - but it's a slight problem that's just a tap away.
What I love about this camera is how natural the images look. They don't look over-processed or over contrasty. The colours are realistic and the DR is very,.. dunno. Filmic? Every picture I take with the thing just looks classy.
I'd put it above the Pixel too: resolved detail is about the same for both (IE better than Samsung's) but Sony's images are cleaner. Even at night - and despite "Night Light" - the Sony's night shots are better than the Pixels, IMHO.
The only phone that seems to be genuinely producing something better on the camera front is the P30 Pro - so long as the AI mode is switched off. If you can live with the 2mp detail loss, I'd say it just about keeps hold of the top spot. The Sony has the better camcorder, however,.... so,.....
But I've no doubt at all that the Xperia 1 is top two in the smartphone camera race this year. No doubt at all.
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All the photos if you crop them are much noisier than s10+ photos...
Nop the photos of the S10 + leave burned and with more noise
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marko68 said:
I have both xperia 1 and S10plus.....no way for Sony to beat s10+ photos. Also videos in 4K are horrible and the stabilisation terrible in Sony.
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All the photos if you crop them are much noisier than s10+ photos...
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And if you crop into all - and I mean all - of GSMA's S10 images you'll notice that they contain much less fine detail than the sony, especially at night.
If "Ooooh, there's no noise" is how you judge a camera then you've a long way to go, my friend.
GSMAs comparisson shots - and my own experience with both - tell the same story over and over again: The Sony produces a more detailed, better composed shot with extremely accurate White Balance without the temptation to blow greens and reds up to 20, as the S10 does. Yes, the Sony sacrifices some noise in the persuit of more detail but the detail is important: it gives pictures texture and fidelity. It gives realism. Ever since the s7, Samsung's awful processing algorythm has saught to display no noise whatsoever and every time I see the same result: plastic images with flat detailing, over-contrasted, over coloured. Great for instagram but awful as actual pictures.
If you don't actually care about the quality of pictures, go ahead and love the S10. I'll take that little extra noise (LESS noise, I might add, than any LG OR the Pixel 3 range - by a significant margin) for a truly textured, composed image.
And there's no question that the S10 is worse at night. Its saving grace is that it controls strong light sources better than the Sony but it's the X1 that has less noise, more detail, better colours and a far more realistic exposure (strong light sources accepted as a failing).
An S10 would not, for example, capture this image https://flic.kr/p/2gcamWy - (as usual, download it in full res). Noise is virtually nil, detail is very high for the light available (you can read the graffiti in the dust of the van and see blades of grass in shadow), it's sharp, colours are accurate, exposure is on point - including the sky, which was still partially lit. An S10 would have overexposed all of the shadows, blown out the sky and removed the fine detail - I see it time and time again.
But love what you love. C'est La Vie. But, with respect, that doesn't make you right.
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And if you crop into all - and I mean all - of GSMA's S10 images you'll notice that they contain much less fine detail than the sony, especially at night.
If "Ooooh, there's no noise" is how you judge a camera then you've a long way to go, my friend.
GSMAs comparisson shots - and my own experience with both - tell the same story over and over again: The Sony produces a more detailed, better composed shot with extremely accurate White Balance without the temptation to blow greens and reds up to 20, as the S10 does. Yes, the Sony sacrifices some noise in the persuit of more detail but the detail is important: it gives pictures texture and fidelity. It gives realism. Ever since the s7, Samsung's awful processing algorythm has saught to display no noise whatsoever and every time I see the same result: plastic images with flat detailing, over-contrasted, over coloured. Great for instagram but awful as actual pictures.
If you don't actually care about the quality of pictures, go ahead and love the S10. I'll take that little extra noise (LESS noise, I might add, than any LG OR the Pixel 3 range - by a significant margin) for a truly textured, composed image.
And there's no question that the S10 is worse at night. Its saving grace is that it controls strong light sources better than the Sony but it's the X1 that has less noise, more detail, better colours and a far more realistic exposure (strong light sources accepted as a failing).
An S10 would not, for example, capture this image https://flic.kr/p/2gcamWy - (as usual, download it in full res). Noise is virtually nil, detail is very high for the light available (you can read the graffiti in the dust of the van and see blades of grass in shadow), it's sharp, colours are accurate, exposure is on point - including the sky, which was still partially lit. An S10 would have overexposed all of the shadows, blown out the sky and removed the fine detail - I see it time and time again.
But love what you love. C'est La Vie. But, with respect, that doesn't make you right.
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Look at these two photos :
https://ibb.co/zZJr87p
https://ibb.co/wyx0Ft2
Flowers in Sony photo they have no details, you can't see properly the empty spaces in between flower petals, the s10+ photo is full of details, details missing in Sony
These photos are shot by myself not taken from an internet review...
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Background
While the Z5 has demonstrated that it can take good daytime photos and excellent video (thanks to its closed-loop actuator), low-light performance has been a concern, due to a lack of OIS and its smaller pixels.
I had the opportunity to borrow an LG G4 to test low-light conditions with the Z5. Testing took a while, as I needed to understand the different scene selections of the Z5's Superior Auto mode. I chose two classic, well-known, posters for the basis of the analysis: Star Wars - The Empire Strikes Back and Breakfast at Tiffany's. The posters feature both artwork and text, which should provide a good mix of characteristics for comparison. Also, the posters can easily be found online, so no reference photos were necessary.
Test conditions
The SW:ESB poster was lit from a single, overhead, incandecent light bulb (60 watt), which was roughly 10 ft/3 m away. The Breakfast at Tiffany's poster had no nearby light source - the light comes from the next room over 20+ ft/ 7+ m away.
All photos were taken in automatic mode for both phones. The Z5 was set to 8 MP in 16:9 ratio. I had tried set up the photos to look as similar as possible.
Camera setup
The SW:ESB night pics were taken while sitting down. The Z5 photos are as follows:
a) Night mode icon (i.e. moon icon)
b) Night mode icon + tripod icon
c) Night mode icon + tripod icon, phone holder stabilized (not hand-held)
The Breakfast at Tiffany's pics were taken while standing up, with arms in an elevated position. This is was due to the fact that the poster was mounted higher on the wall. It should represent the Z5's worse case scenario, as there was no way to stay completely steady due to the awkward posture and poor lighting.
Note: I had to re-take the Breakfast at Tiffany's photo, as I discovered that the initial photo had moved the focus to the top of the poster, due to face detection. I manually adjusted the focus rather than cut off Audrey's elegant face. When face detection icon was not on screen, the low-light icon (i.e. candle icon) would come on.
Link to photos (7-zipped):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2Put-ePeAktZXE4YkxpNmhmWUk
The photos have not been edited in any way, other than to rename the files. I will leave the photos up for a couple of weeks. If you are reading this post after November 2015, and would like a link to the pics, please send me a PM.
Conclusion
OIS definitely helped with the low-light pics. The difference in detail was due to blurring, not MPs as far I could tell. In better lighting conditions or when stabilized, the Z5 and G4 had the same level of detail. The G4 pics became more and more "washed out" as the light level dropped, which was probably due to its smaller sensor.
Kids vs. stills: For quick snaps of people in moderate-to-low lighting, the Z5 was better, due to face detection. OIS couldn't do much to help. G4 had a lot more blurred photos, but when it wasn't blurred, the quality was good.
So why choose the Z5 (without OIS)? For the video recording. Once you've tried taking FHD videos with the Z5, you'll probably never go back to using OIS. Try it in the store... take a walk, jump up and down, shake it all around. It's pretty dang amazing.
Anyway, I hope the pics and the comparison were helpful.
Cheers!
Wrong title These are 'night mode' shots with decent amount of light. How about some real low-light shots (low-light mode/ high ISO) ?
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Wrong title These are 'night mode' shots with decent amount of light. How about some real low-light shots (low-light mode/ high ISO) ?
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Gah... I don't have the G4 to test with anymore. I didn't say it was "dinner by candle light". But I'll change the title a bit.
Cool. It'd have been real fun to see some blackouts from G4 (like I regularly do from S6 ) in 'low-light'
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Cool. It'd have been real fun to see some blackouts from G4 (like I regularly do from S6 ) in 'low-light'
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Can you please explain what you mean by "blackouts"?
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Cool. It'd have been real fun to see some blackouts from G4 (like I regularly do from S6 ) in 'low-light'
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Yeah, I noticed the G4's pics got darker rather quickly as the lights went down. Didn't think anyone was interested to see washed out Z5 pics vs. pitch-black G4 pics! xD But I think we need to really test the Z5 outdoors at night with a tripod and see what it's capable of. Anyone live in a big city with a good night life? Tim?
BTW, anyone see these night pics from Zoë Noble?
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/09/04/berlinmoments-part2-zoe-noble-on-berlins-nightscapes/
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Can you please explain what you mean by "blackouts"?
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Now that OP has changed the title, it's become irrelevant. Before he kills me ... I meant the pictures you get when the sensor is pushed to its limit in low-light. It's not a standard term, btw lol
Some extreme examples
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Yeah, I noticed the G4's pics got darker rather quickly as the lights went down. Didn't think anyone was interested to see washed out Z5 pics vs. pitch-black G4 pics! xD But I think we need to really test the Z5 outdoors at night with a tripod and see what it's capable of. Anyone live in a big city with a good night life? Tim?
BTW, anyone see these night pics from Zoë Noble?
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/09/04/berlinmoments-part2-zoe-noble-on-berlins-nightscapes/
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At the very extreme end, Xperia outputs will wash out. But couple stops before that Xperia will get you a usable output while the others will still remain pitch-black. Try it out when you get a chance.
I will do it (without a tripod - you kidding right). I live downtown & I got tired of taking night shots long time ago. Next weekend - hopefully.
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Now that OP has changed the title, it's become irrelevant. Before he kills me ... I meant the pictures you get when the sensor is pushed to its limit in low-light. It's not a standard term, btw lol
Some extreme examples
http://i0.wp.com/fortheloveoftech.c...4/10/wp_20141016_19_14_30_pro.jpg?fit=810,810
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At the very extreme end, Xperia outputs will wash out. But couple stops before that Xperia will get you a usable output while the others will still remain pitch-black. Try it out when you get a chance.
I will do it (without a tripod - you kidding right). I live downtown & I got tired of taking night shots long time ago. Next weekend - hopefully.
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I see. Thanks!
Here is my indoor(metro) and night shot(outdoor) campaign of S6 vs. Z5c. All are shared in it's original size without editing other than renaming.
S6:
FHD - Software stabilization disabled, OIS enabled(can't be disable)
UHD - OIS enabled(can't be disable)
Z5c:
FHD - IA software stabilization on
UHD - Standard steadyshot on
All photo and video were shot by stock camera handheld. Sony only allowed to pack ISO in 8MP Manual so all are in 8MP from 100iso to 3200iso, skipped testing 50iso bcoz 100iso already super easy to create handshake. S6 were all from Pro mode(standard auto mode can't select ISO) range from 100iso to 800iso, max is 800 from Samsung offered, can't go higher in Pro mode though sometimes the auto mode could boost up to 1000ISO.
Some photo got little handshake and I've no time to just keep repeat shooting. In my experiences, S6 easily beats Z5c in terms of handshake and focus performance(at very low light S6 focus is superior, more faster and accurate). Indeed, many photo from Z5c been shot for a couple of times to try to get best result and almost all S6 photo were just taken in one shot(no more than two).
S6 got very good quality of video as well as photo, I think the OIS is quite helpful for the video part too. I'll probably add Z5c/S6 fast walking video today or tomorrow when I've free time to do more testing.
S6 link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJUXF0bUlmcklhLVE&usp=sharing
Z5c link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJYjdOcEJPUHJORjQ&usp=sharing
My Z5c is bootloader locked with DRM key so it's still with the low-light denoise algorithm. I may unlock it soon. My S6 with ISOCell, not Sony IMX240 sensor.
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Here is my indoor(metro) and night shot(outdoor) campaign of S6 vs. Z5c. All are shared in it's original size without editing other than renaming.
S6:
FHD - Software stabilization disabled, OIS enabled(can't be disable)
UHD - OIS enabled(can't be disable)
Z5c:
FHD - IA software stabilization on
UHD - Standard steadyshot on
All photo and video were shot by stock camera handheld. Sony only allowed to pack ISO in 8MP Manual so all are in 8MP from 100iso to 3200iso, skipped testing 50iso bcoz 100iso already super easy to create handshake. S6 were all from Pro mode(standard auto mode can't select ISO) range from 100iso to 800iso, max is 800 from Samsung offered, can't go higher in Pro mode though sometimes the auto mode could boost up to 1000ISO.
Some photo got little handshake and I've no time to just keep repeat shooting. In my experiences, S6 easily beats Z5c in terms of handshake and focus performance(at very low light S6 focus is superior, more faster and accurate). Indeed, many photo from Z5c been shot for a couple of times to try to get best result and almost all S6 photo were just taken in one shot(no more than two).
S6 got very good quality of video as well as photo, I think the OIS is quite helpful for the video part too. I'll probably add Z5c/S6 fast walking video today or tomorrow when I've free time to do more testing.
S6 link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJUXF0bUlmcklhLVE&usp=sharing
Z5c link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJYjdOcEJPUHJORjQ&usp=sharing
My Z5c is bootloader locked with DRM key so it's still with the low-light denoise algorithm. I may unlock it soon. My S6 with ISOCell, not Sony IMX240 sensor.
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Thanks for this! I'm sure many appreciate the efforts
Though I'm not sure if its just me, but honestly, I prefer the pics from the Z5. For me, the colors / the overall photo itself looks "natural" or more "realistic". Of course, I do not know the actual colors / conditions of what it really looked like but the colors of the S6 seem to be too artificial (and more orangey / redder tint to most of them).
Just my 2 cents though.
bloodfire1004 said:
Thanks for this! I'm sure many appreciate the efforts
Though I'm not sure if its just me, but honestly, I prefer the pics from the Z5. For me, the colors / the overall photo itself looks "natural" or more "realistic". Of course, I do not know the actual colors / conditions of what it really looked like but the colors of the S6 seem to be too artificial (and more orangey / redder tint to most of them).
Just my 2 cents though.
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You'll need to download all stuffs and check it out on a big PC screen. S6 color can be more better because the default is over. I always preset lower one stepping of saturation and color temp in Pro mode but this time I just let it run default so the result got worse.
If you check the threads on this board, I've said it a dozen times that Sony got better color(my taste) and that is why I buy the Z5c while I already own a S6. In fact, S6 is over whilst Z5c color is also a bit off(under/lower) but just more close to the real scene.
Speaking to the details part, S6 just win hands down without any doubt.
bloodfire1004 said:
Thanks for this! I'm sure many appreciate the efforts
Though I'm not sure if its just me, but honestly, I prefer the pics from the Z5. For me, the colors / the overall photo itself looks "natural" or more "realistic". Of course, I do not know the actual colors / conditions of what it really looked like but the colors of the S6 seem to be too artificial (and more orangey / redder tint to most of them).
Just my 2 cents though.
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The histogram shows the Z5 is more accurate. Viewed a couple of the photos and resizing the S6 photos to match the res and aspect ratio of the Z5c (2448x3264) show the Z5c often delivers more detail but also a bit more 'fine' grain vs blurrier and noiser (noise blurred out but still visible as blotches) S6 photos (depending on ISO level). Also several photos have a photo (PhotoME exif reader) time date with a difference of 15-20 minutes between each camera and same shooting location..
Here is a crop from both at 2448x3264 and with aspect ratio correction. This is from the S6/Z5 ISO 800 comparision. Top is S6, bottom is Z5c. Photo crops from HKs comparision.
EQ2000 said:
The histogram shows the Z5 is more accurate. Viewed a couple of the photos and resizing the S6 photos to match the res and aspect ratio of the Z5c (2448x3264) show the Z5c often delivers more detail but also a bit more 'fine' grain vs blurrier and noiser (noise blurred out but still visible as blotches) S6 photos (depending on ISO level). Also several photos have a photo (PhotoME exif reader) time date with a difference of 15-20 minutes between each camera and same shooting location..
Here is a crop from both at 2448x3264 and with aspect ratio correction. This is from the S6/Z5 ISO 800 comparision. Top is S6, bottom is Z5c. Photo crops from HKs comparision.
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Excuse me Sir. Do you actually know what are you speaking? You always blame S6 got strong noise reduction but when you found noises there you also said that S6 is too bad to has noise.
Sony is all good in your mind even there are indeed more flat area in photo but you'll just think that some noises to simulate fine grain so it's all good.....
To be honest, I've also played a lots of video stuffs, I was a video lover. The film grain isn't real using in this way. In the old days video encoding technologies were not yet mature, the encoder did remove too much things from the source and people was trying to apply some noises in flat area to fraud human eye but this method should not use again in recent year. Some others were trying to simulate old Film noises for special purpose though.
The environment is total stable and it won't change the result after 15 - 20mins like day time so it is meaningless to mention about this, I'm not only focusing to take photo because my friends whatsapp me. Furthermore, the Z5c is freaking hard to get good result in such low light condition, some scenes were actually been taken 4 to 5 times to try to get one with good result. S6 was almost all done in one shot.
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Here is my indoor(metro) and night shot(outdoor) campaign of S6 vs. Z5c. All are shared in it's original size without editing other than renaming.
S6:
FHD - Software stabilization disabled, OIS enabled(can't be disable)
UHD - OIS enabled(can't be disable)
Z5c:
FHD - IA software stabilization on
UHD - Standard steadyshot on
All photo and video were shot by stock camera handheld. Sony only allowed to pack ISO in 8MP Manual so all are in 8MP from 100iso to 3200iso, skipped testing 50iso bcoz 100iso already super easy to create handshake. S6 were all from Pro mode(standard auto mode can't select ISO) range from 100iso to 800iso, max is 800 from Samsung offered, can't go higher in Pro mode though sometimes the auto mode could boost up to 1000ISO.
Some photo got little handshake and I've no time to just keep repeat shooting. In my experiences, S6 easily beats Z5c in terms of handshake and focus performance(at very low light S6 focus is superior, more faster and accurate). Indeed, many photo from Z5c been shot for a couple of times to try to get best result and almost all S6 photo were just taken in one shot(no more than two).
S6 got very good quality of video as well as photo, I think the OIS is quite helpful for the video part too. I'll probably add Z5c/S6 fast walking video today or tomorrow when I've free time to do more testing.
S6 link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJUXF0bUlmcklhLVE&usp=sharing
Z5c link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJYjdOcEJPUHJORjQ&usp=sharing
My Z5c is bootloader locked with DRM key so it's still with the low-light denoise algorithm. I may unlock it soon. My S6 with ISOCell, not Sony IMX240 sensor.
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While an instructive and very interesting comparison, we do loose a bit of something by dealing with differing Fields of View. Some of the loss of detailing that you might otherwise put down to the sensor or software is actually far more about the focus of the lens on the sensor. To see what the detail reproduction is more accurately, we could do with seeing the two framed identically (IE, taking half a step nearer with the Z5 when taking the shot to correct for the different lens).
While I hate to put you to more trouble, could you have a go at this at all? Thanks
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Here is my indoor(metro) and night shot(outdoor) campaign of S6 vs. Z5c. All are shared in it's original size without editing other than renaming.
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S6 got very good quality of video as well as photo, I think the OIS is quite helpful for the video part too. I'll probably add Z5c/S6 fast walking video today or tomorrow when I've free time to do more testing.
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Ah, Hong Kong... been there several times. Sorry, but I hate to say it, the video quality on the S6 was not very good. Maybe when standing still it's good, but as soon as you started panning, the video was jittery. In FHD, the Z5 was completely smooth. In 4K, both videos were jittery.
If you're going to critical of the Z5, you should be at least as critical about the S6's poor video performance. You live in HK... a fast paced city. Hold it up and walk around with the crowd, take it on the bus, go up and down the subways stairs. Don't use the Z5 and take video like it's an S6 - judge it on its own merit. If you've ever tried to keep up with a child and record video, you'd know what I mean!
Thanks for the vids and photos... I'll check out the photos later.
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You'll need to download all stuffs and check it out on a big PC screen. S6 color can be more better because the default is over. I always preset lower one stepping of saturation and color temp in Pro mode but this time I just let it run default so the result got worse.
If you check the threads on this board, I've said it a dozen times that Sony got better color(my taste) and that is why I buy the Z5c while I already own a S6. In fact, S6 is over whilst Z5c color is also a bit off(under/lower) but just more close to the real scene.
Speaking to the details part, S6 just win hands down without any doubt.
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Okay, I've gone through the pics, comparing both sets of pics side-by-side. First thing I noted was that a few of the Z5 pics were actually less blurry than the S6. LOL! I think I could have done better with the G4.
At 100% size, the Z5 and S6 had nearly the same level of detail across the pics, except for a few pics where either the S6 or Z5 was clearly blurred. The Z5 had smaller text because of the FOV, but it wasn't any harder to read.
I thought the S6 would be the clear winner with OIS, but the pics look very close in quality. Z5 should have slightly better colours, but I can't tell without neutral reference pics. I think you should have spent more time stabilizing the S6. From your pics and video, I'd choose the Z5, since the only thing that's clearly better from the two sets was the Z5's FHD video. xD
Now that I've had the Z5 for a couple of weeks, here are my thoughts:
Here on XDA, we tend to get overly technical (no, really?), so I've been thinking about how a "normal" person would decide to get and use the Z5. I bought the Z5 based on early impressions of its video performance and technical details of the new camera system (dat closed-loop actuator). After taking some family vids running around the house, I'd say it works as advertised.
But it was my SO's reaction (a non-geek) that was more telling. She was curious how the videos would turn out, as I barely paid attention to the phone while it was taking videos. She was impressed and commented that it was so smooth that it looked "professional". As any family man knows, having the "other half" onboard with a tech purchase means life is good! Heh!
The photo quality? Frankly, she didn't notice much difference between the Z5, G4 or even my old Z Ultra. The G4's OIS didn't help much for impromptu pics of people. I had plenty of blurred indoor shots of moving faces with each phone. The Z5 did try harder with face detection and scene selection to get good pics, while the G4 was basically a straight dummy point-and-shoot. The G4's strength is in its manual mode, and in quick snap situations, there was no time to play with the settings. Ironically, I caught some of the best moments - not talking about colour or details - from the Z Ultra, as it was the camera I was most familiar with. LOL!
The Z5 is now my go-to camera for videos. I think anyone who wants to take good family or vacation videos (or even vloggers), the Z5 is probably the best choice for a phone. Personally, I'd still take a real camera on vacations for better pics and optical zoom. Gawd, nothing is more annoying than taking a pic of something and have it show up the size of a pinhead because I couldn't zoom in.
Fulfilling half of my pledge. Other phone died & bartender didn't serve me tripod or OIS this evening. So SA w/o tripod all the way.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/albums/72157659569050879/with/22496859817/
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Fulfilling half of my pledge. Other phone died & bartender didn't serve me tripod or OIS this evening. So SA w/o tripod all the way.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/albums/72157659569050879/with/22496859817/
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Good shots and a good example piece that demonstrates that you can get very good night shots from the Z5. I especially like the carriage.
As is my way, I've been looking through Flickr at S6 shots that random people have posted and have come across images like https://flic.kr/p/A14UVf and https://flic.kr/p/ytEfJq - both of which are noisier than a great many night shots and indoors night shots I've taken with my Z5. These are not isolated examples.
Not very scientific, I know, but it's evidence that getting good results is as much about the person behind the camera as it is about the camera itself. Those S6 shots aren't really any better than anything that the Z5 could produce: detail is relatively similar (though a little better with the S6, probably) and noise is higher. Compare that bar shot with one of mine in MUCH worse lighting (so much darker than the image produced): https://flic.kr/p/AHaxNj . Sure, the detail is smudgy but it is there and there is far less noise, to boot. Not saying that my image is perfect - anything but - but seeing the S6 bar shot above (Full of very ugly noise in an environment with many more light sources) makes me wonder just how much better the S6 would've handled that scene, if at all.
Some of my initial comparative shots.
Just my first day with Z5, and the shots are in difficult conditions sometimes, on purpose.
The Zoom is ok considering it was bad lighting.
https://flic.kr/s/aHsknZUGYc
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Huawei P20 Pro come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
P20 Pro vs Pixel 2 XL...
I have both devices currently and from my very brief short time with the P20 pro , the pictures taken with it don't even come close to the quality you can get from the Pixel 2 XL.
Please tell me its just a case of faulty software, else I think I may be taking this phone back sadly.
Problems so far
Images lack any real detail and are very soft
HDR mode still hidden
Night Mode whilst great is still a 4 sec picture.. (but still soft ) - (The advantage you get from those 4 secs does not seem worth it from my quick test - but i'll keep testing)
Camera UI is rubbish... (subjective i know)
But it will be interesting to know if anyone else as similar experiences , as most reviewers online appear to suggest that this is the best camera phone ever!
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Soft images.
Photo Quality
Have taken a few shots with the camera, the modes are the same pretty much as in the Mate 10 Pro so you have fully manual "Pro Mode" which shoots RAW plus a range of features including;
HDR
Light Painting
Monochrome
Aperture
Portrait
Night Shot
Panorama
The beauty mode is now a lot less aggressive on 0 setting and in portrait mode you can get some amazing detail and shallow depth of field.
The overall star is night shot which takes a 3 second long exposure which is fully stabilized and its like a super HDR setting which blows away the Mate 10 Pro I had before. Even using zoom (pinch to zoom on screen is enabled) the level of detail and depth is like using a dedicated camera.
I think with photography and equipment there is a large element of variation in the skill of the reviewers and unless you have both cameras in identical circumstances which is nigh on impossible, its difficult to be fair to compare. A lot of reviews I have seen go on about the AI not being perfect, which it isn't yet on any phone but its nice that this technology is developing to allow better shots for average Joe.
I normally use a full frame Sony Alpha and I can honestly say so far the image quality I am getting on the P20 Pro is the best of any phone I have used.
I cant comment on the XL but I have owned the Mate 10 Pro, Note 8, S8+ and IPhone 7 all recently and although these are all good phones with great cameras the shots I have got out of the P20 Pro so far have impressed me a lot more.
As a side note personally I would never use any of the AI modes except Night Shot, I never use the AI enabled render modes which is where many of the reviewers have had problems because its not a perfected science yet.
This is a good phone to benchmark the camera chops of the reviewer, those who can actually do anything more than point n shoot photos are taking amazing shots with this phone. I'm stunned how good a lot of the shots are.
It's the zoom that really makes this phone. You can extract detail from shots that no other phone (especially the pixel 2) could remotely pull off. You can frame a subject at 5x zoom and get a detailed shot whereas the pixel 2 would be a blurry mess.
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I'm also comparing shot for shot with the Pixel 2 XL and finding so far, apart from zoom, the P20 Pro is inferior to the Pixel 2. So far using only auto mode on both phones the Pixel shots are visibly superior, picking out more detail and producing better low light pictures. The only exception is the 5x zoom which is absolutely phenomenal on the P20. I've yet to try any night shots because it's been pretty much constant rain since the phone arrived. Considering the hype, I'm really disappointed in it. I know if I pull out the Pixel and grab a shot it's going to be good 99% of the time. I don't want to have to **** around with the settings every time I want to take a photo. Also the front facing camera is a joke. Even with beauty mode turned off, the image lacks detail and is ridiculously overexposed. The AI isn't particularly useful either - tried taking a photo of my dog in the garden and the AI went nuts flicking between the dog and greenery settings. There's a good camera in this phone but the Huawei processing is smothering it.
Huawei camera always more suitable for professional or those who love to play with settings. As a point and shoot I do see Samsung and pixel are capable of shooting better photos. But with a superior hardware I do believe there is nothing Huawei can't fix with a software update.
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P20 Pro vs Pixel 2 XL...
I have both devices currently and from my very brief short time with the P20 pro , the pictures taken with it don't even come close to the quality you can get from the Pixel 2 XL.
Please tell me its just a case of faulty software, else I think I may be taking this phone back sadly.
Problems so far
Images lack any real detail and are very soft
HDR mode still hidden
Night Mode whilst great is still a 4 sec picture.. (but still soft ) - (The advantage you get from those 4 secs does not seem worth it from my quick test - but i'll keep testing)
Camera UI is rubbish... (subjective i know)
But it will be interesting to know if anyone else as similar experiences , as most reviewers online appear to suggest that this is the best camera phone ever!
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In P20 pro u use 40mp or 10mp supersampling resolution? Better stick to 10mp dude, and did it has an option to turn off the AI scene recognition? If have, turn it off.
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German review but you can still look at the pictures. No night mode sadly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWXKp817fJI
The biggest problem I'm having is the wildly variable greens. Sometimes it will go nuts and make grass look like some kind of weird neon lit alien landscape then in the next shot, perfect. This happens with the AI on and off. Everything else is pretty close to natural, just doesn't seem able to handle grass.
Hello guys.. p20 pro camera is doing well but no perfect!! Im sure that will be an update as fast as possible... but the realy problem isnt the 40 mp camera but the selfie camera witch is 24mp and the quality is very low and some times selfi captures seems discolored!!
anyone else noticed that discolored?
Bad quality for the hardware that's inside. Terribly overprocessed images that looks very fake most of the time. Only way to bypass that is to shot in 40mp but that introduces heavy purple fringe. Someone at Huawei should get fired. Both my iPhone X and LG V10 gives me better images.
huawei and their marketing gimmicks and paid reviewers
dannejanne said:
Bad quality for the hardware that's inside. Terribly overprocessed images that looks very fake most of the time. Only way to bypass that is to shot in 40mp but that introduces heavy purple fringe. Someone at Huawei should get fired. Both my iPhone X and LG V10 gives me better images.
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Not so bad I think. But I agree often color are overexposed, and I close the Ai suggestion to have better result especially in greenery
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Well yes.
It's surprising that Huawei actually managed to load a Smartphone full of a Camera Sensor with 1/1.7" size 1.6 Aperature, OIS on all three cameras and still doesn't manage to make a simple non-progressed picture under daylight conditions that looks like a $50 phone from 2008. Most $100 China-Smartphones from 2017 do manage to make better-looking pictures.
I don't know who in their Software-Devision took drugs to actually **** up that bad but yes - it's purely software releated.
Most likey due to both cameras adding the picture in overlay mode even while shooting with the main-sensor without any after-processing would be more then plenty with that capable hardware.
Actually maybe that Aperature is the only drawback I'm seeing (lens-flare) where the S9+ has a hand over it but aside from that ...
And ****ing the Software so much up is actually a bad thing. I'd recommend anyone to wait a few months to see if they even mange to fix it - unless you're shooting RAW only in Manual Mode.
Maybe if we're lucky we'll see a ported Google Camera with HDR+ on it ...
Sight, that thing is a beast tamed with the worst software I've seen in a long time. Kinda reminding me of the LG when it was going back to down ...
If I were Huawei I'd fire my Software devision and pay Google to actually develop a working Software for them.
Manual Mode or not, there is a limit how stupidly broken you can make an Auto-Mode ... and calling that thing AI-Powered is even more funny.
Just look at the daylight samples of DXoMark ... it should have never gotten such high scores at all at its current stage (that's Huawei for you ...)
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German review but you can still look at the pictures. No night mode sadly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWXKp817fJI
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That guy had me at *wearing a Stratovarius t-shirt* lol
I recently bought a P20 and as a previous P10 owner, the front 24mp camera of the P20 is AWFUL. I will NOT sugar coat it but this thing has a very very bad front camera. It looks like an upscaled 5MP camera. Images are soft and overexposed. Dynamic range is pretty bad! Huawei just wanted to put a higher resolution since most China OEMs have 24MP cameras these days.
The 8mp f/1.9 front camera of the P10 is much clearer, sharper in ALL lighting conditions. I miss the feature wherein the front camera field of view will change if you are taking a group shot.
Youtube reviewers are too scared to criticize the front camera solely because Huawei have been sponsoring their flights and accommodation on their annual P series events.
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I recently bought a P20 and as a previous P10 owner, the front 24mp camera of the P20 is AWFUL. I will NOT sugar coat it but this thing has a very very bad front camera. It looks like an upscaled 5MP camera. Images are soft and overexposed. Dynamic range is pretty bad! Huawei just wanted to put a higher resolution since most China OEMs have 24MP cameras these days.
The 8mp f/1.9 front camera of the P10 is much clearer, sharper in ALL lighting conditions. I miss the feature wherein the front camera field of view will change if you are taking a group shot.
Youtube reviewers are too scared to criticize the front camera solely because Huawei have been sponsoring their flights and accommodation on their annual P series events.
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hope for an update!!!
cornel.atomei said:
Here is a video review for P20 PRO vs P20 I made on my channel. The Pro is king, but the regular p20 is not that far behind.
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King of what?
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King of what?
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Of Huawei cameras. Not all smartphone cameras, i still think the pixel 2 can overtake it in pretty much al scenarios...
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the LG G7 ThinQ come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
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I find the auto focus to be very bad on the G7. Manually focus via focus peaking solves the issue for me.
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I find the auto focus to be very bad on the G7. Manually focus via focus peaking solves the issue for me.
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I did a couple of tests after reading your comment and my autofocus seems fine. The only issue I found was going from a distant subject to a close one with writing. It struggle to make out the letters. Turned on AI and now it gets it.
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Can someone help me out by taking a picture of a person at night, indoor lighting? If you can upload it to Google photos full resolution so that it will not be compressed. Thanks a bunch!
I'm coming from the S9+ and I'm not a fan. Low light is hitchhike like horrible in comparison. This photo isn't bad bad but it's not even close to the S9+ quality
This kind of picture I take a lot. I'm a lush.... So I need my camera to do well in this light.
pychobj2001 said:
I'm coming from the S9+ and I'm not a fan. Low light is hitchhike like horrible in comparison. This photo isn't bad bad but it's not even close to the S9+ quality
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Agreed! I had the opportunity to take pictures and videos and this camera is quasi trash. Does everything ok. Does nothing really well. The AI struggles. I hope an upgrade makes the camera better. I came from an s9 plus too and this camera doesn't compare.
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I'm coming from the S9+ and I'm not a fan. Low light is hitchhike like horrible in comparison. This photo isn't bad bad but it's not even close to the S9+ quality
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Have you tried the manual mode?
I've tried manual mode and it is capable but it's still not in the same league as the S9+.
The wide angle mode is nice but it's not high quality even in full daylight.
And why no 4K60 mode?
With a 16MP sensor I figured this device would produce best images yet particularly in manual mode.
There's a lot of lag/delay when using the camera as well.
I long for the day when we have a 16MP F 1.2 camera! It will be here...eventually!
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I've tried manual mode and it is capable but it's still not in the same league as the S9+.
The wide angle mode is nice but it's not high quality even in full daylight.
And why no 4K60 mode?
With a 16MP sensor I figured this device would produce best images yet particularly in manual mode.
There's a lot of lag/delay when using the camera as well.
I long for the day when we have a 16MP F 1.2 camera! It will be here...eventually!
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I dont have lags .got update 1 day ago no lags now witch camera
No update available for unlocked users.
it would be so freaking awesome if people would actually help the community and upload some real-life photos made with their g7s, instead of complaining about this and that. my two cents, as a future buyer of the phone
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Well, I contribute to the topic of the forum.
(by curiosities of fate, at the end of this article I just got the first update of the phone, which touches certain aspects of the phone, so you have to repeat tests, but for those who take it out of the box is a good reference).
Let's be clear, the photographic quality of the LG G7's automatic mode is bad, especially when approaching 100% of the size of the photo, the final finish is like a watercolor filter, little detail, and somewhat dark colors.
Let's illustrate with the following image:
(the images have been cut to 35% of the original size, I hope you can appreciate the differences. I am not a professional of the field, nor a photographer but here we go!)
This is the default image of the LG g7 in automatic mode, JPG format, the colors seem unnatural to me.
How can this be resolved? taking pictures in manual mode and in RAW format, the difference is very noticeable.
The image gains a lot in detail, but loses in color representation, does anyone know why the images are faded in RAW?, with some patience and retouched in photoshop the values of saturation and vibrance have something very similar to what I was seeing at that moment, although I understand that this is very subjective, ideally the phone would place these colors from the beginning that we selected the RAW format.
Finally, mention the differences in detail between the automatic format and the RAW format, the image on the left is in automatic JPG mode and the one on the right is in RAW, that gain in detail has a cost, the photo has a brutal weight in Size, around 30-45mb per photo.
I hope the comparison works for something and for someone, please excuse my bad English and greetings from Mexico.
louie_yo said:
it would be so freaking awesome if people would actually help the community and upload some real-life photos made with their g7s, instead of complaining about this and that. my two cents, as a future buyer of the phone
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I think you're completely right.
These are some pics I took so far, most of them with stock camera (only the last two should have been taken with GCam). Most of them shot in auto mode and there are no post production works. I'm not a photographer at all and I don't pretend to be one, but I'm pretty satisfied with G7's cameras.
Bad resolution is due to upload, I can upload pics somewhere else if needed.
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louie_yo said:
it would be so freaking awesome if people would actually help the community and upload some real-life photos made with their g7s, instead of complaining about this and that. my two cents, as a future buyer of the phone
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don't buy this phone for the camera. it has plenty of outstanding features, but the camera isn't one of them. it's "good enough", but not up to par with other flagships.
s7, s8, s9, iphone X, mate 10 all take better pics. it does better with low light than previous LGs, but very unremarkable. the GCam port is helping a lot. once it's really up and going we will see what this hardware can do. LG just can't seem to get the software side right.
i'm not bashing it, as i knew this before i bought the phone and the camera isn't very important to me.
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I think you're completely right.
These are some pics I took so far, most of them with stock camera (only the last two should have been taken with GCam). Most of them shot in auto mode and there are no post production works. I'm not a photographer at all and I don't pretend to be one, but I'm pretty satisfied with G7's cameras.
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definitely notice a difference on those last two! they look great. colors feel true to life.
Is it possible to add the wide angle mode in the GCam?
My g6 get is a bit 'grainy' but detail and dynamic range for a 13mp is at times better than the g7 that are verry low at detail in some shots and some get to punchy that loose natural scene color. Open and switch between camera's is way faster on g6 than the g7 to. And allot of extra features 'pop out-gallery scroll left side-tracking focus etc are missing. Hope they improve fast with a update.
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G6 left was double the distance taken than g7. Clear detail
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More samples regular and wide angle how g6 do better.
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Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Nokia 9 PureView come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
I've been using the light L16 for a long while. I assume it would work the same. Images on the Pure View may render a bit slow "on device" , since it dosent have to be exported into lights Lumen software. I'll see once mines arrives though.
lsmith1981 said:
I've been using the light L16 for a long while. I assume it would work the same. Images on the Pure View may render a bit slow "on device" , since it dosent have to be exported into lights Lumen software. I'll see once mines arrives though.
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Yes, with all the sensor data on it does take a while to merge all the image data. The amount of time varies based on the scene and detail.
Harfainx said:
Yes, with all the sensor data on
it does take a while to merge all the image data. The amount of time varies based on the scene and detail.
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It's instant surprisingly, their software team has done a excellent job on that part. Even though it uses the SD820 and their custom ASIC together, everything works just fine. I'm sure with the SD845 and the ASIC chip, things would work much better on that device.
https://light.co/technology
lsmith1981 said:
It's instant surprisingly, their software team has done a excellent job on that part. Even though it uses the SD820 and their custom ASIC together, everything works just fine. I'm sure with the SD845 and the ASIC chip, things would work much better on that device.
https://light.co/technology
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I meant it takes a while on the Nokia 9 Pureview. I've had everywhere from about 4 seconds, up to 25ish seconds to process a photo.
As I'm eager to get my hands on this device mainly for the capabilities of the camera, is it possible for some of the lucky early owners to share a few RAW files.
At least two people here have it, and we don't have one real-life sample to check out.
I really can't believe there are no real and meaningful reviews for this phone...
here is a sample
bo6o said:
As I'm eager to get my hands on this device mainly for the capabilities of the camera, is it possible for some of the lucky early owners to share a few RAW files.
At least two people here have it, and we don't have one real-life sample to check out.
I really can't believe there are no real and meaningful reviews for this phone...
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Here's three in a wetransfer link. Too big to post DNGs on here. These have quite a bit of good depth data and were fun to edit. Didn't share my edits in this grouping though.
https://we.tl/b-AHQfp0iCcp
Thanks man, can I reuse the link and/or unedited exported with LR images on other forums, to shutdown some huawei fans
I'm amazed by the details, it is really good. Could you share some b/w dng's please? Huawei mate 9 with only one bw sensor took amazing shots , so I'm really curious at what the Nokia 9 can do
More dng samples please
Guys, can you please post more dng samples? outdoors for base iso, indoors for high iso? When I developed the dngs posted here, they are all quite great actually, even at iso 1600. That's the flowers shot. The same flower shot in jpg is quite oversharpened and noisy, with ugly artefacts, dark shadows and blown out highlights that are not present in the jpg. The subway shot is iso 1400, basically noise free. The doughnut shot is iso 208 and man, it is absolutely amazing in terms of both detail and noise. I think the bad quality you see in jpgs is simply bad processing by the nokia camera app. I think that this hardware is capable of great photos. Wondering if SNAP camera HDR app would work on this. Thanks!
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Guys, can you please post more dng samples? outdoors for base iso, indoors for high iso? When I developed the dngs posted here, they are all quite great actually, even at iso 1600. That's the flowers shot. The same flower shot in jpg is quite oversharpened and noisy, with ugly artefacts, dark shadows and blown out highlights that are not present in the jpg. The subway shot is iso 1400, basically noise free. The doughnut shot is iso 208 and man, it is absolutely amazing in terms of both detail and noise. I think the bad quality you see in jpgs is simply bad processing by the nokia camera app. I think that this hardware is capable of great photos. Wondering if SNAP camera HDR app would work on this. Thanks!
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I will try to add some tomorrow. Did some compare shots with the xz3 and a rx100 vi
https://we.tl/t-N9cRshSrlb
If people are interested I can do a bit more in depth comparison
I think the shadow recovery is amazing, almost no noise increase, and this on a phone.
1st photo supplied by @phunkyp , increased the brightness of the dark background in a raw editor.
But i think the general sharpness isn't the best compared with well lit single sensor photos, what do you think? For example in the samples of @stefanve those details in the trees just look strange somehow. But there is definatly a lot to play with in the editor (2nd photo by him). Yes its a bit much.
Here are a couple of extra test shots. 3 files per scene. DNG, JPG from the default camera app and one from the LR camera. The LR shot should be using only one of the 5 camera's so we can see the difference between one vs 5 camera's
https://we.tl/t-deZimhn8Sz
Personally I don't think that the camera has on point focus (maybe that is why they use very aggressive sharpening in de jpegs) but overall I think it is really good for a phone, lots of detail and light. This is one of the view phones (that I used) that gives me usable photo's the other one being the Lumia 950 XL and the Mate 9 (but only in b&w)
Is Lightroom not capable to get raw from the Nokia cam? That would be interesting to compare, Lightroom single Cam dng vs Lightroom HDR dng vs Nokia 5 cam dng.
No sadly , it is not possible to save the raw data with de LR camera app.
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Here are some pictures with Nokia 9. All photos was taken with Auto mode and someone with bokeh or monochrome with raw. I'm not a professional of photography
https://photos.app.goo.gl/56KAUxN8mWk78qfL6
Enviado desde mi MI 5s mediante Tapatalk
I took a few pictures and I am not a professional photographer either, but hope it will help you. Nice weekend
https://photos.app.goo.gl/kgqrWZcYMxRYKGxm9
I will be free from work tomorrow. Then I go outside with the children and take pictures with this phone. I will then place them in the same folder.
Love the monochrome mode.
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Sony Xperia 5 II come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Expect chromatic aberration in photos (widest lens), or I'd say CA in photos of X5 ii is a bit easier to detect than my previous Galaxy S10. Minimum focus distance is also quite long... also compared to my S10.
On the other hand, I like the Pro photo mode with AE-L and 3:2 aspect ratio option.
lokto7 said:
Expect chromatic aberration in photos (widest lens), or I'd say CA in photos of X5 ii is a bit easier to detect than my previous Galaxy S10. Minimum focus distance is also quite long... also compared to my S10.
On the other hand, I like the Pro photo mode with AE-L and 3:2 aspect ratio option.
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well: look at this:
https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-5-camera-test-1167092/
in the HDR chapter:
"Next, I want to draw your attention to something in the following two sample sets. The Google Pixel 5 suffers badly from chromatic aberration (the purple hue seen in between the tree leaves). The Huawei P40 Pro has the same problem, but the effect is limited to the upper left corner of the lens. The Galaxy and Xperia handsets have no such issue. Once again, shadow noise rears its head in the Pixel 5’s shots"
Please see an example here https://we.tl/t-mLwMGMoF9H
ok, ultra wide angle lens?- I guess the test I linked from was for the standard lens
Picture is very good-great, the colors are natural, no over-sharpening, the noise is natural, but, it can sometimes happen to overexpose the image, sony did a great job for the camera..
Overall, camera software requires some minor tweaks to be top notch.. The best is, no pixel (finally) binning, true 12mp, large pixel size.
very good photo quality!
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Picture is very good-great, the colors are natural, no over-sharpening, the noise is natural, but, it can sometimes happen to overexpose the image, sony did a great job for the camera..
Overall, camera software requires some minor tweaks to be top notch.. The best is, no pixel (finally) binning, true 12mp, large pixel size.
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I totally quote. I am happy to find a similar look / color rendition to my Sony Full Frame mirrorless. Photo pro app does a great job, especially in "normal" (not too low) light conditions. Color rendition is natural. After Huaweis Mate (only missing the b/w sensor of the P20pro!) this Xperia is fresh air.
With good Light the Camera make good Photos, but i really have Focus issues for Quick Fotos. Its not that im Shaking or something but at 1 of 3 Photos im must repeat and then the Focus is about right. As you can see in the Attachement.
I know that Sony will fix this Problem but when 1/3 from the Photos are just not sharp for a 900 Dollar Phone its a little Dissapointing.
You are from Basel
I think, photo-quality is ok, but I would have expected more (comming from an XZ1 compact).... - Especialy the selfie-camera was better on the XZ1 compact, because it had 120° angle mode.
That certainly not encouraging to hear that. I looking at both Xperia 1 II and 5 II for quite a while already. Still not impressed with the camera system at all - the only selling point of this phone to my opinion. Can't find the proof that new Xperias can beat my old Pixel 3 or even Pixel 1 (which is the most colour accurate of all to my opinion). Can't remember of getting out of focus photos from Pixel 3.
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For some reason this tread is nearly empty - no encouraging, mind-blowing photos. And this is quite suspicious. Why is that? Xperia 5 II / 1 II can't really shine in it? Or messing with Pro mode leave to time to take a great shot? Please upload more photos showing that new Xperia camera system is any better than others, especially against "so unnatural" Pixels.
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With good Light the Camera make good Photos, but i really have Focus issues for Quick Fotos. Its not that im Shaking or something but at 1 of 3 Photos im must repeat and then the Focus is about right. As you can see in the Attachement.
I know that Sony will fix this Problem but when 1/3 from the Photos are just not sharp for a 900 Dollar Phone its a little Dissapointing.
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Completely agree with it. I'd be very disappointed If I bought photo-oriented $900 smartphone and found the low light photos coming out in "quality" like yours. I believe my $50 old dinky Pixel 1 does better job. In this case "Photo Pro photographer guys" will say that you have to use Photo Pro app every single time, Sony fanboys will say that you have got a faulty unit. To my opinion it's just failure to deliver the quality everyone expected from the company which makes the best camera sensors.
Here is an additional take on photo quality.
Main lens (wide angle) in AUTO mode (with standard / Pro apps):
Good:
- Noiseless pictures. Much improved from previous generation.
- Natural looking blur in out-of focus areas (ex: background). Can create natural bokeh for cats, faces, macro, etc.
- Contrary to what some people say, good dynamic range because the auto HDR mode turns on when needed in most cases. Note that in the Pro app, you can use touch metering and still keep HDR active, a nice addition.
- Good pictures in low light: very low noise and not too much unnatural brightening of scene.
- Mostly no lens flares on standard intensity lights. (improved from Xperia 5)
Not so good:
- Focus issues at night: lack of TOF and no pre-flash sometimes leads to focus misses. Solution is to use the Pro app with continuous focus ON (mode is not available in standard app). Most often this allows phones to acquire focus except in total darkness.
- Focus issues with far subjects, such as landscape. Sometimes the camera just won't focus at all. Solution is to use tap to focus (in Pro app, this means you have to turn OFF continuous focus)
- Focus issues with eye / face detection: it's just not always accurate. Again, much better results with tap to focus.
- Very bad lens flares (light streaks) when facing a brighter light at some angles. (much worse than Xperia 5). So much for the Zeiss lens!. This issue can sometimes be solved by placing your hand to block the strong light near the lens.
- Color temperature is a bit too cold. Especially visible in darker environments.
What about non-auto modes ?
Good:
- You can set everything as you wish in Pro app.
Not so Good:
- As in previous generations, you will get a lot more noise than in auto mode, esp. beyond 200 ISO. Makes is useless for me. One solution would be using RAW and applying your own denoising filters, but you loose HDR and I didn't get much better results anyways.
- Takes more time to adjust: not suitable for quick shots.
What about the other lenses ?
- Ultra wide gives ok results. Not worse than other flagships from what I've seen.
- Zoom lens is more noisy. Only suitable in daylight IMO.
- Selfie: never used.
My conclusion:
- With Xperia 5 II, you can get great pictures with a photographic look in the right situations. But some pictures may out-of-focus and some will get bad lens flares. Also it needs too much attention to settings for me.
- So I sold the phone and kept my Xperia 5 1st gen. Photos have a bit more noise, but it's more dependable in focusing and rarely misses a picture. Colors are also warmer and more accurate at least to my taste.
Note that Xperia 1 II may not have these focusing issues but I didn't try it.
Some examples:
Xperia 5 II: flares
Xperia 5: no flare
Xperia 5 II: bad focus at night
Xperia 5: better focus at night
Xperia 5 II: natural bokeh
Xperia 5: not much bokeh
Xperia 5 II: less noise
Xperia 5: more noise
Xperia 5 II: the 3 lenses:
Ultra wide
wide
zoom
Some other pics from X5 II (in right situations)
(<- with zoom lens)
(<- ultra wide lens)
skilli said:
With good Light the Camera make good Photos, but i really have Focus issues for Quick Fotos. Its not that im Shaking or something but at 1 of 3 Photos im must repeat and then the Focus is about right. As you can see in the Attachement.
I know that Sony will fix this Problem but when 1/3 from the Photos are just not sharp for a 900 Dollar Phone its a little Dissapointing.
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Unfortunately this is my experience with it as well. Once light conditions aren't perfect the camera struggles with focusing and stops delivering good photos. Also the water painting effect isn't something unusual here which is not acceptable for over $900 camera-phone. Just wondering whether Xperia 1 II is better in this regard? Maybe TOF helps somehow?
For focus issues: are you using stock app or PhotoPro app in auto mode?
I haven't noticed any focus issue but I always use PhotoPro
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For focus issues: are you using stock app or PhotoPro app in auto mode?
I haven't noticed any focus issue but I always use PhotoPro
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I'm also a little bit worried about the camera quality and focus...I'm using PhotoPro but it doesn't looks so good, but I don't regret switching from P30 pro
I'm considering buying the phone and the cameras are the most important for me, so my most important questions are - is there raw format shooting for all three lenses and what are their maximum exposure settings(seconds), cause with my current mi note 10 pro I was able to shoot the milky way, and expect this phone to be able also...
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I'm considering buying the phone and the cameras are the most important for me, so my most important questions are - is there raw format shooting for all three lenses and what are their maximum exposure settings(seconds), cause with my current mi note 10 pro I was able to shoot the milky way, and expect this phone to be able also...
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Hello, you can shoot raw on all the 3 lenses. Maximum exposure time it's 30 sec. Unfortunately, I wouldn't recommend you this device for making photos, I'm coming from a P30 pro and I'm really disappointed with the overall quality of the photos, so you better start looking for another device....
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Hello, you can shoot raw on all the 3 lenses. Maximum exposure time it's 30 sec. Unfortunately, I wouldn't recommend you this device for making photos, I'm coming from a P30 pro and I'm really disappointed with the overall quality of the photos, so you better start looking for another device....
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Are you talking for jpg quality, or raw?
Cause I'm not planning to use jpg for serious shooting, as I did with my real camera. I like to produce my own jpgs and I know how to use the 3 main(in smartphones 2) settings.
Can anyone provide me with a raw sample from each of the lenses. Would appreciate it.
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Are you talking for jpg quality, or raw?
Cause I'm not planning to use jpg for serious shooting, as I did with my real camera. I like to produce my own jpgs and I know how to use the 3 main(in smartphones 2) settings.
Can anyone provide me with a raw sample from each of the lenses. Would appreciate it.
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Raw, of course,I don't shoot jpeg because I like to edit my photos