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Choice between 2 head units.

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I'm debating getting one of these two units.
https://www.carjoying.com/in-dash-g...gation-system-support-steering-wheel-con.html
http://www.in-dash.net/buy_en/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=20&product_id=188
So heres the dilemma. The joying one is a9 quad core, but only has 1 gig. Plus, while I know joying isn't high quality at least I've heard of them.
In-dash is octocore (which is really just a second set of pointless quads) a7 but 2 gis of ram.
I currently have a pugug dual core a9 with 1 gig.
Is the 2 gigs more helpful or the a9? Does anyone have experience with in-dash?
Can in root the joying or upload a newer version of android on the joying?
Any help would be appreciated!

Hello, Im pretty much like you so I've come to share the info that I've got so far
The Joying Units are the first to have Android 5.1.1 lollipop in about two weeks, this units also are under testing to have DAB and now have a cold boot time under 20 secs, you can see this on their youtube channel and facebook page, they have show everything and you can see most of the tests, also you can see many user videos with the 4.4.4 units and I ssume that in a few weeks we will see the ones with 5.1.1.
BUT this units are based on Rockchip RK3188 wich ONLY have SDK support up to android 4.4.4, Joying is doing Lollipop using a very old kernel and some pieces of RK3288 code as far as I know. so this is probably s fr s the RK3188 Units will get development wise, wich is a pitty becuse its a powerful enough chipset for car lo last long time
On the other side the InDsahnet units are using the Allwinner A83T (maybe at 2.0GHz top) Octa Core with 8 cortex A7 cores NOT 4A7+4A15, the A7 is low end vs the A9 middle end, but draws less power and produces less heat thant the A9, if well implemented this could mean longer standby times and less fan noise, the GPU is a PowerVR SGX544MP wich is a little bit faster than the Mali-400 of the RK3188, this will make difference only in newer GPS Software, the 2GB DDR3 of RAM should make good difference if you have/use many apps, this units are based on Android 4.4.4 but Android 5.1.1 is in the works with the great difference over Joying that Allwinner A83T has official 5.1.1 lollipop support and is powerful enough to have Marsmallow in the future, but so far indashnet has said that there are no plan for Android 6.0.1 yet. This Units re limited to 800x480 resolution if you get the 6.2 inches screen and 1024x600 ONLY if you get the 10.1 inches screen, wich for me is an overkill in size
And now the Big BUT... BUT so far I havent been able to find a real video, review or photo (the photos on their store are generic and low res), so, its leap of faith here for me, I would like to see youtube channel like Joying
Right now my advise is to wait if you can, see the Joying units videos nd reviews in a couple of weeks with lollipop and try to contact InDashnet with to ask for some videos... maybe if enough of us ask for it, they will put up a youtube channel like Joying
Another idea that has been in my head is to ask for new SoM's maybe Joying can fuly use an RK3288 wich supports 5.1.1 lollipop and many RK3188 HU users just need to buy a compatible SoM board with RK3288 and upgrade the software, this has been done before from the RK3066 to RK3188, but we need someone with expertise, Joying seems like the natural choice since they seems to be using 3288 code for the lollipop version of RK3188, for this we should contact Joying and show them tht there is a rel demand... thats what made them create the lollipop rom for the RK3188 in the first place
Finally let me tell you that there are a couple of FAR BETTER units on the chinese market, but they are hard to find here in Europe where I live, this are made by the manufacturer Flyaudio and use Quallcomm Snapdragon 400 (G8 series) and Snapdragon 801 (G9 series) Quad cores processors, this units can go to Quallcomm deep sleep and remain in standby mode for days, booting in a couple of seconds, this units can be seen on web stores and youtube videos and seem to work great.
BUT the stores so far are chinese wb stores or russian web stores, the chinesse web store is TaoBao, wich is actually the store from wich Aliexpress gets all its products, so I dont know why this units doesnt show on Aliexpress yet
I have ll the info and links, but cant post links until I have at least ten posts on the forum, I you want the, I'll send them to you
Hope this post was useful for you and others

What's wrong with Xtrons?

Hi all, first time member here - sorry for any dumb questions.
I'm looking at getting my first android head unit. I don't have much criteria, but here is the list;
- 7" double DIN
- snappy boot time (2 - 3 seconds before playing music)
- nice looking - physically (don't like the joying logo or inset/bezel), and software (prefer the look of the latest android)
- video in for pi or dash cam
- bluetooth for calling and maps data (waze, etc). Or should i be looking at wifi tether?
At first, my research lead me to the following Xtrons units (basically searching whats popular on ebay);
- TB706PL (Octa-core RK3368 PX5, Android 6.0)
- TA701PL (Quad-core RK3188 PX3, Android 7.1)
- TL702P (Quad-core Intel Atom x86, Android 6.0)
Questions:
1. I've read a lot of posts on this site steering people to Joying HUs. Whats wrong with the Xtrons HUs?
2. Is the PX5 a big deal? Is octa core overkill for HUs? (I'm currently leaning to the PX3 over the PX5 due to later Android.)
3. Are all these units rootable?
4. Is there a likelihood of being able to upgrade the Android version of all of the head units in the future?
Thanks everyone!

Joying is the brand with the greatest hacker support.
You don't need to buy the UM135 with deep plastic bezel. You can also buy UM128, which is all glass.
Yes, it has a joying logo on the front too.
PX5 may have an 8 core SoC, but they are 8 SUPER WEAK SLOW TURDS. They are badly implemented A53's. So don't for ONE SECOND thing that you're getting something on the same level as a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835. You're looking at several orders of magnitude between the 8 turds and the 8 custom A73's in the QC.
Of all the CPUs available for car radios, the INTEL quad-core is the strongest. Ignore benchmarks, its a totally different architecture that you CANNOT compare with synthetic benchmarks.
As far as upgrade android version, Joying with Intel CPU is probably the most likely one for being able to upgrade to AOSP8.

i've never had an Xtrons. I have had Joying, Dasaita, and Seicane.
All have their pros and cons. The Joying definitely ran the best, and had the most updates, but it ran too hot and fried itself. Joying did replace it, which was cool.
However, i wanted something Jeep specific with a big screen, which Joying doesn't make, so I moved on to Dasaita with Android 6.0 and PX5:
https://youtu.be/ITCawVbBL7g
And i got the Seicane with Android 7.1.2 and PX3:
https://youtu.be/MWVsNWZjeCQ
The Dasaita is noticeably quicker than the Seicane but the Dasaita had 2 bugs I couldn't get past. The Dasaita would not recognize the MicroSD card from sleep. It would be fine from a full reboot, but from sleep it didn't recognize it, and the app switcher button would randomly disappear.
Seicane does not have those issues.
I think Xtrons and Dasaita are very similar, but not positive

Pf84mtv has any one got the original software?
Xtrons gave me a wrong firmware for my system and now my system lost the function of all its buttons and now they emailed me saying sorry they dont have the firmware? Can any one help

help android 8 px5 head unit

iam looking at android headunits and not alot of them are offered for my car wich is a honda accord 2008 Ex-l (no navi)
ive eyed this one wich is a px5 8 core 4gb ram 32gb rom
OTOJETA Android 8.0 car DVD octa Core 4GB RAM 32GB rom multimedia player for honda ACCORD 8 2008-2011 stereo head units gps map i cannot post link its on aliexpress
is this unit good?
should i purchase this unit?ive seen allwin t8 units.. i was readding around but i dont quite get the difference except the deep sleep but in some threads they says it work on other they say is not activated in fw...
yes i could buy a trim for the middle and remove my old radio and install a double dim universall radio but i dont want to lose xm radio and the wiring and the old screen on top would become useless, i find this fitting more convenient and looks uptodate(like bmw and benz they have it up there.
i was looking at this seicane too but it looks like the same type of unit but older build with old specs..
10.1 inch 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 Honda accord 8 Android 7.1 Radio GPS Navigation( i cannot post link )
thank you in advance (

Any luck finding one? Same car here.

Don't get hung up on a px5 board. My head unit came with a px3 board, 16GB flash and 2GB RAM, so I also bought a px5 board with 32GB flash and 4GB RAM because I wanted to make sure I had a responsive OS but the difference between px3 and px5 is hardly noticeable (both are fast enough to offer negligible lag in actual use) and I ended up sticking with the px3 board simply because I liked the launcher and apps it came with better, so I do have a px5 board for sale
Keep in mind that you typically will not tinker with a car head unit as much as you tinker with a phone. After the novelty wears off, you are going to set the unit to play what you want and get to the business of driving the car, as you should, so if it takes an additional fraction of a second to load an app, you won't even notice it.

Its 50$ difference... for 2gb extra and a px5... u say i should skip px5? But software.. i heard u can put the custom rom on it.. forgot the name but you could flash same on both

Goldy, the one you linked will not work unless you had factory navigation
(i asked them a lot of questions since i have the same car)
did you have factory navigation?

I'm also looking to buy same product. However it's 2 DIN base concerns me if it'll fit or not. Were you able to install it ?

Didier99 said:
Don't get hung up on a px5 board. My head unit came with a px3 board, 16GB flash and 2GB RAM, so I also bought a px5 board with 32GB flash and 4GB RAM because I wanted to make sure I had a responsive OS but the difference between px3 and px5 is hardly noticeable
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1 remark here: You had a 2GB RAM PX3 which is exceptional.
Almost all PX3 models have only 1 GB RAM. This 1 GB RAM versus 2 GB RAM is really the big qualifier when it comes to performance, and indeed more than the CPU.
Going from 2 GB to 4 GB is hardly noticable.
So when going from a 1GB PX3 to a 2GB PX5 you will definitely notice a difference!
Next to that: Some apps, especially navigation apps, can be rather heavy on your CPU/GPU. There you will notice the difference as well, if only in (re)calculating your route. Some allow even for more/less details (like games do). More power means more details, if that is what you want.

surfer63 said:
1 remark here: You had a 2GB RAM PX3 which is exceptional.
Almost all PX3 models have only 1 GB RAM. This 1 GB RAM versus 2 GB RAM is really the big qualifier when it comes to performance, and indeed more than the CPU.
Going from 2 GB to 4 GB is hardly noticable.
So when going from a 1GB PX3 to a 2GB PX5 you will definitely notice a difference!
Next to that: Some apps, especially navigation apps, can be rather heavy on your CPU/GPU. There you will notice the difference as well, if only in (re)calculating your route. Some allow even for more/less details (like games do). More power means more details, if that is what you want.
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I'm also looking to buy same product. However it's 2 DIN base concerns me if it'll fit or not. Were you able to install it ?

surfer63 said:
1 remark here: You had a 2GB RAM PX3 which is exceptional.
Almost all PX3 models have only 1 GB RAM. This 1 GB RAM versus 2 GB RAM is really the big qualifier when it comes to performance, and indeed more than the CPU.
Going from 2 GB to 4 GB is hardly noticable.
So when going from a 1GB PX3 to a 2GB PX5 you will definitely notice a difference!
Next to that: Some apps, especially navigation apps, can be rather heavy on your CPU/GPU. There you will notice the difference as well, if only in (re)calculating your route. Some allow even for more/less details (like games do). More power means more details, if that is what you want.
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I agree, the 2GB of RAM is what makes the big difference with most off-the-shelf px3 boards. In my case, navigation is quite good with the built-in maps but internet (through my 4G phone or directly through the house WiFi router) is terrible. The px5 board was considerably faster at downloading apps and maps. That was the only difference I noticed but it is significant. Since this is not something I do on a regular basis, I kept the px3 board simply because it came with a more recent Android version (7.1.2 instead of 6.0) and a better launcher.

Need an advice with processor selection.

Hi, last year i have bought HU with following specification:
SYSTEM (Android 6.0.1) 1GB/16GB
Allwinner QUAD-CORE T3 p3,
Mali-400MP2 .
Unfortunatelly it turns out horribly slow - I have rooted it and tried to speed it up, but without success.
Now I'm considering to buy another one (cheap), I need HU to normal use (google maps + music app + radar warning application) .
Here are my selections:
Android 8.1 1GB/16GB
quad-core T3 K2001M
GPU: Mali-600MP4
Android 8.1 1GB/16GB
quad-core MT8227L "1.3-1.5"
GPU: Mali-600MP4
Most units which I'm interested have these two processors some have also 2GB RAM. Which is better selection? Maybe i should choose someting with 8-core or 2GB ram?
Regards.

The processor is not the only thing that affects the speed, the amount of RAM matters too. Everything you listed has a gig of RAM, that is just too low for today's Android with all the services running in the background. Look for something with at least 2 GB, 4 would be better. The processors you're looking at are no powerhouses either. First they're all 32 bit and very obsolete. Also Allwinner is barely a decent processor for the money. Something from Rockchip or Intel would cost a bit more but you'd get more enjoyment out of it. If you have to keep it cheap maybe a PX30 with at least 2 GB RAM would be a good choice.

nic2k said:
If you have to keep it cheap maybe a PX30 with at least 2 GB RAM would be a good choice.
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The man is completely right. Nothing with 1GB will perform.
2GB is enough. 4 GB is better.

I agree that 1GB is not enough for todays Android, but this is still car device, not phone. I don't really want to spend lot of money . How about this ?
OS: Android 8.1 Go 1GB/16GB
CPU: Intel 8-core 1.872GHz Intel IA processor
GPU: with Mali-T820 8-core GPU
OS: Android 8.1 2GB/32GB (i think they will be able to install GO version too.)
CPU: High quality MT8227L Quad-core 1.3-1.5 GHz Cortex-A7 processor
GPU: with Mali-600MP4 Quad-core GPU
both fit to my limit 150 $ .

spewaq said:
I agree that 1GB is not enough for todays Android, but this is still car device, not phone. I don't really want to spend lot of money . How about this ?
OS: Android 8.1 Go 1GB/16GB
CPU: Intel 8-core 1.872GHz Intel IA processor
GPU: with Mali-T820 8-core GPU
OS: Android 8.1 2GB/32GB (i think they will be able to install GO version too.)
CPU: High quality MT8227L Quad-core 1.3-1.5 GHz Cortex-A7 processor
GPU: with Mali-600MP4 Quad-core GPU
both fit to my limit 150 $ .
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a bit stubborn? The first is 1GB. If 2 persons advise to go for at least 2GB: what more advise do you need? If you had searched this forum in advance, you would have seen that everybody advises against 1 GB.
choose and suffer, or choose and enjoy.

That's a really low budget. A $150 will buy you a nice Pioneer or Kenwood traditional stereo or if you want more features get a cheapie Dual or other low end brand. At any rate you will enjoy your choice better then. Those Chinese Android radios have always been a bit of a kludge. It's only in the last couple years that they've been getting almost decent and that's from having a proper amount of RAM and better processors. The one thing that hasn't improved is build quality, they work ok but there's no telling for how long. OTH they're a lot of fun if you can afford it.
The second option you listed is definitely low end but might work good enough. Like Surfer63 said do your research! Don't expect someone else to tell you what to buy. For that HU you can start here. On that first page there's a link to 4PDA too.

Believe me 150$ for car radio is quite a lot in my country To be honest initially I thought 100$ will be enough for my modest needs... I know 4pda I have studied most topics regarding Allwinner and partially this mentioned above . I have some experience with such devices (with 1) I could try to flash it but I have no time for that. In the mean time I have found that there are HU which are fitted to car steering panel better than universal one so decided to buy another. I did not expect that someone tell me what should I buy, however all yours remarks are very valuable for me. Ok I'll read a bit more and buy something, and maybe give some feedback.

newbie looking to buy an Android 10 head unit

Hi folks,
avid Android user here (mobile phone Samsung Galaxy series) for over 10 years.
I am now looking to buy an Android 10 head unit for my car.
I don't want to do anything fancy – or RAM heavy ? – (just Radio, Navigation via igo or maps, reverse and front camera, maybe torque) but I'm yet unsure whether to buy
Option A: Quad-Core, 2 GB RAM, 32 GB storage
Option B: Octa-Core, 4 GB RAM, 64 GB storage
My only reference point is that I've been using a 3 GB RAM phone for the past 6 years and it has always worked like a charm.
I wouldn't want the device to be heavy on the car battery either.
What would you recommend I get?
Option B, of course, has more RAM, but I've read contradictory information on how much battery quad-core vs. octa-core draw, sometimes that quad-core draws less and sometimes that octa-core draws less.
Also, let me ask: Option A comes with in-built carplay. Do I really need that to connect my Android phone? Would it not suffice to use the Screen Mirroring option?
Help would be greatly appreciated.
RT

I have a unit with quad core and 2 GB RAM( rockchip px3) It's damn slow especially if I'm downloading apps. Download speeds are okay but the installation takes forever.
If I were you I'd take the 4gb ram ( rock chips px5) version. Better performance. There's the 6gb ram as well ( rockchip px6).
Get the best one you can afford.
Do some research on the carplay/android auto features. Some are in built some you can buy a usb dongle to add the feature.

Thanks for the reply and recommendation!
Option A is an 8277L with Cortex A7 operating at 1.2 GHz, the amplifier is an IC 7388, radio chip ST7708.
Option B is a PX5 with Cortex A53 up to 1.5 GHz, amplifier IC 7851, radio chip TDA 6686.
I was looking to buy the one with more RAM, but hesitated, because
1) Option A supports video output
2) Option A has integrated carplay
and that alone had me wonder whether – even with lower RAM, ROM, and set of cores – this unit was the better one in terms of being tried and tested.
Now if you say, I should definitely take option B, I can get a dongle on top for android auto. Yet I was wondering if it's necessary at all because the head unit supports screen mirroring?