Hello,
I'm looking to upgrade the stock head unit of my 2005 Opel Meriva to an android-based HU and I'm not sure which one I want. I've been reading up on the development threads here, which seem to be split between PX5-based MTCD units on the one hand and Intel Sofia-based Joying units. Please correct me in anything I might have researched wrongly, as that might help me make the right decision. I'm in favor of vendors shipping from EU warehouses because of the insanely long waiting times for Chinese shipping and customs hassle & delays.
The three options that seem to make most sense for the moment are:
Joying - for the actual hardware (on the other hand, maybe PX5 is better than Sofia b/c of thermal throttling issues?)
https://www.carjoying.de/2017-new-o...stem-hd-screen-support-backup-camera-dab.html
Eonon 8155 - for the looks (advertised as quad core with no further info - is this an MTCD with PX3? Why does it have Android 7?
https://eonon.com/Android-Car-GPS/V...h-Double-Din-AM-FM-Multimedia-Car-Stereo.html
Any MTCD PX5 based HU - for software versatility, that is, Malaysk CFW (which vendor - advice please? Pumpkin maybe?)
I've seen some MTCD offers look like the Eonon. Getting one of those would really be cool. Any EU sources aside from Aliex?
So here's more on what I am looking for:
I like rooting and flashing my Androids and would like to at least have root access on the device. From what I've read, this is possible on both platforms. Opposed to Joying (?), the PX5 platform also has Malaysk's AOSP based FW - is this any good for a daily driver/full replacement of stock ROM, or are there any missing features? Is there also a custom ROM for Sofia? I've seen someone recently mention something along the lines of, there's a lot of development going on for Joying - I've seen lots of scripts and rooting guides, but I haven't found anything like a custom ROM. Is there something in the making that I've just not been able to find?
Also, the Joying unit has no built in mobile data modem, or only works via their external 4G stick (available for extra € ofc), while I've read that PX5 based units usually have it integrated. Can MTCD units also interface with cameras?
Can any of these units read Opel CANbus data like RPM/liters per 100km? How about OBDII BT adapters, can MTCD/Joying use my old ELM327 one or do I have to buy a new one because of some vendor-implemented driver lockout? The CFW of MTCD would fix that, right?
Thanks for reading through this wall of text and for any answers in advance.
TL;DR
Want to buy android HU for 2005 Meriva. Joying (Sofia) or MTCD (PX5)? If the latter, which vendor can you recommend for EU?
I'm not sure what to buy. I want a new Hu to replace my stock hu and have been looking at both joying and xtrons. I was originally going to go with joying but then I noticed the xtrons has 4gb of ram which more is always better. Should I go with the xtrons or should I go with the joying either px5 or Intel? Help please..
I recommend XTRONS
I don't have a lot of experience with these android head units, but I do have an XTRONS unit it my Jeep (specific for Jeep/Chrysler ) and I really like it. I had to email them for help (because of something I screwed up) and they were very helpful.
tabocaw said:
I'm not sure what to buy. I want a new Hu to replace my stock hu and have been looking at both joying and xtrons. I was originally going to go with joying but then I noticed the xtrons has 4gb of ram which more is always better. Should I go with the xtrons or should I go with the joying either px5 or Intel? Help please..
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I noticed there is 4G/32GB head unit released on Joying . heard that the cpu is quick . also much new features on it .
Ive been using android units for years, currently Ive got a 10.1 Joying Sofia unit I want to replace, a JY-UL134N2, im fed up with how quickly Joying abandoned it. Ive had various make and spec units in the past as things have evolved.
Im specifically looking for another double din unit with a 10 inch screen.
Basically Im looking for something with good update support thats PX5 based, 4gb ram and 32gb rom or better.
Ideally something Malaysk compatible too.
Ive read talk about some units now coming with better DSP setups which would be good.
I saw a 10.1 screen version of the ATOTO A6 Pro I liked but their specs like dual bluetooth make me wonder if theyre Malaysk compatible and the hardware specs seem to lag behind with quad core and less ram.
I also read that Dasaita are very good at ongoing support.
I have also been considering the xtrons TE103AP.
Essentially based on the above I would appreciate peoples suggestions as I want to make a purchase soon since my Joying has become problematic.
mindriot said:
Basically Im looking for something with good update support thats PX5 based, 4gb ram and 32gb rom or better.
Ideally something Malaysk compatible too.
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In that case make sure you get a PX5 MTCE unit - then it will be compatible with the Malaysk or Hal9K roms. If it isn't MTCE you won't have much luck with mods.
Thanks for replying, know any with a 10.1 screen specifically?
Ive been refamiliarising and some of the new intel based airmont ones sound interesting for speed and with dsp but ive only seen the joying unit and im not fond of the type of screen mounting.
Theres also the talk about PX6 units but they seem to be much slower arriving than expected.
This looks like your best bet
http://xtrons.co.uk/te103ap-10-1-an...vd-player-with-adjustable-viewing-angles.html
millab said:
This looks like your best bet
http://xtrons.co.uk/te103ap-10-1-an...vd-player-with-adjustable-viewing-angles.html
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Yep thats the one i keep coming back to thanks. Ive got very used to the bigger screen which works very well in a vw T5 dashboard.
Just the advent of airmont items has me distracted, and the idea of a dsp added, but ive lived fine without advanced dsp up until now
However the px5 is apparently the equal or better of sofia 3gr so that would do, especially with malaysk etc vs bloated stock roms.
Yeah I have a PX5 with DSP and the DSP is pretty good - there are ways of adding it to a unit, but it requires some soldering apparently. You could ask Xtrons if they can add it for you. I know some sellers give that option.
Good suggestion, I have sent an email will see if I get a reply.
It must be possible Im guessing the XV8 from androidautoshop is the same unit : https://androidautoshop.com/univers...32gb-entertainment-system.html#/26-map-europe
Im tempted to just commit and buy though sense dictates I should wait and see what PX6 or Airmont stuff comes out soon (maybe).
On that thought does anyone know of any Airmont based double din units with DSP there are with a 10 inch screen (if any) are out yet? (other than the one joying unit being discussed recently).
mindriot said:
Good suggestion, I have sent an email will see if I get a reply.
It must be possible Im guessing the XV8 from androidautoshop is the same unit : https://androidautoshop.com/univers...32gb-entertainment-system.html#/26-map-europe
Im tempted to just commit and buy though sense dictates I should wait and see what PX6 or Airmont stuff comes out soon (maybe).
On that thought does anyone know of any Airmont based double din units with DSP there are with a 10 inch screen (if any) are out yet? (other than the one joying unit being discussed recently).
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Yes that one looks the same. Android Auto Shop units also come pre-rooted with Hal9K ROM apparently, and you can get a $25 discount with a link in the Hal9K ROM thread here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...nt/rom-hal9k-rom-3-mtcd-e-head-units-t3847477
I think that has expired the site doesnt recognise it.
No matter will still consider the purchase.
Never tried hal9k just malaysk some time back before i had the sofia unit.
Well as yet xtrons havent bothered to respond if they could supply one with a DSP fitted.
androidautoshop responded quickly to a couple of emails asking for some details, then frustratingly I found the XV8 is now sold out lol.
mindriot said:
Well as yet xtrons havent bothered to respond if they could supply one with a DSP fitted.
androidautoshop responded quickly to a couple of emails asking for some details, then frustratingly I found the XV8 is now sold out lol.
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Haha of course that would happen! I hope they have stock again soon for you, it really looks like your best option.
millab said:
Haha of course that would happen! I hope they have stock again soon for you, it really looks like your best option.
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Xtrons finally responded, saying their unit isnt dsp compatible.
Meaning really they dont have any equipped units to sell.
Just a follow up, looks like Hal9k is going to do an A9 version for PX6 MTCE units, and the Dasaita Max6 10.2 unit with DSP is a perfect match, so Ill be buying that one soon.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Das...l?spm=a2g0s.imconversation.0.0.107e3e5fMUsClN
I sent Dasaita a message asking and they confirmed its MTCE.
mindriot said:
Just a follow up, looks like Hal9k is going to do an A9 version for PX6 MTCE units, and the Dasaita Max6 10.2 unit with DSP is a perfect match, so Ill be buying that one soon.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Das...l?spm=a2g0s.imconversation.0.0.107e3e5fMUsClN
I sent Dasaita a message asking and they confirmed its MTCE.
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I've been looking at this same one. Do you really need a custom rom though with these? I mean... it's a radio..not a phone. Isn't a custom launcher good enough? (assuming we still have root)
They are much, much more than a radio. They are computers akin to decent tablets WITH a radio and amplifier added, essentially the MCU part combined with the system core board.
In the past ive used malaysk on mtcb and mtcd units, then gtx on a sofia unit. Many cusstom roms on phones too for many years. Ive found custom roms are worth it, removing bloat, making them perform better and adding sensible features, ie a lock screen on boot with gtx or more responsive with mslaysk making them safer to use when driving. Or better sound processing, more useability, xposed, gps fixes, bluetooth fixes, rds fixes, and so on the list is quite significant for some devices.
Unfortunately with most resellers, and makers for that matter, little or at least minimum effort goes into the android aspect beyond looks with these stereos. As always the work done by people here at xda bridges the gap to help make significant improvements to some devices.
In my opinion and experience buying these units in stock form are akin to unfinished, it takes a custom rom to make them what they should. Yes theyre improving all the time and i havent experienced dasaita before (their rep for android updates is good) ive most recently wasted my money on a couple of joying units (never again), also consider the likes of hal9k is sponsored by androidautoshop and they actually supply many of their units preinstalled with hal9k instead of stock i believe.
Just bought a head unit from AndroidAutoShop, I can keep you posted on what I think when it arrives and I get it installed.
I too am looking to get a semi future proof 10" double din (or single) HU.
I've been looking at Xtrons, I'll study Dasiata.
Any difference between 8.1 or 9.0?
I will primarily use Android Auto, Assistant & Radio
AMRivlin said:
I too am looking to get a semi future proof 10" double din (or single) HU.
I've been looking at Xtrons, I'll study Dasiata.
Any difference between 8.1 or 9.0?
I will primarily use Android Auto, Assistant & Radio
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I looked at Xtrons units, but for my car they only had units with PX30, and I would like something with PX6.
What I have heard, Android 9 is more "smoother" and faster than 8.1. Just an overall improvement I think.
Does DSP affect the ability to use custom ROMs like Malaysk?
mindriot said:
Yep thats the one i keep coming back to thanks. Ive got very used to the bigger screen which works very well in a vw T5 dashboard.
Just the advent of airmont items has me distracted, and the idea of a dsp added, but ive lived fine without advanced dsp up until now
However the px5 is apparently the equal or better of sofia 3gr so that would do, especially with malaysk etc vs bloated stock roms.
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Malaysk works on Intel Sofia? Thought it was on RockChip
Hi,
Im looking at one of these units from Joying for my older Jeep. Curious if these are FYT based or not?
Joying 6.2 Inch Single Din Android Head Unit with Cheapest Price Mirror Function
SKU: EU-Y-UOS04N1-BShip From: EU Warehouse (Only can ship to EU countries, cannot ship to other countries)CPU: SC7731E 1.3G Quad CoreRam:LPDDR4 1GB Rom:EMMC 16GBSupport Bluetooth,WiFi,DVR,OBD2,Back Up Camera
www.joyingauto.com
Does anyone have one of these adjustable screen units? Im looking to buying, the only thing I'm going to use it for is carplay thru a zbox zlink adaptor to play music and take calls. Will the 1GB model work ok for this? I think the specs are quite low, but the zbox Zlink or Carlinkit apps dont require much resources.
I ask if they are FYT because I have a Px3 2gb coreboard lying around, and if this unit is FYT based and I can just plug it in, getting the cheaper 1gb version vs the 4gb 8 octo core at twice the price seems like it would make more sense.
Anyone know?
sev said:
Hi,
Im looking at one of these units from Joying for my older Jeep. Curious if these are FYT based or not?
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All Joyings are FYT based.
I can't answer your other questions as I use the unit (4GB/64GB) as it is intended.
interesting. i emailed them to ask if the 1 gig+16gig one is fyt based and they said no.
sev said:
interesting. i emailed them to ask if the 1 gig+16gig one is fyt based and they said no.
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Well, I guess they know better than I do, but if you look at all the apps: Those are the FYT apps.
Microntec, Topways, Antoto and other manufacturer apps do look different.
I would ask them which firmare you need for this unit, and then I'm very curious which firmware they point you to.