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Hi everyone,
I'm looking to buy my first HU and after reading the forums for a while I'm undecided what to pick.
It looks like the Intel Sofia platform is the current recommendation - it comes with 2gb, the CPU is powerful enough and it has some support for fastboot. However from what I can tell there's no custom ROM for it (Malaysk is only for RK3x88 series) which is kinda of a big minus for me (since one is at the mercy of the seller).
Am I missing something? From what I can tell the RK3188 and Sofia CPUs are more or less identical in terms of performance, the RAM being the big difference.
I'm looking for stability (not going to play games or videos on the HU - I just want waze and probably the radio) first so a slower, older CPU with a solid community and ROM behind it fits my list.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
selbyog said:
Hi everyone,
I'm looking to buy my first HU and after reading the forums for a while I'm undecided what to pick.
It looks like the Intel Sofia platform is the current recommendation - it comes with 2gb, the CPU is powerful enough and it has some support for fastboot. However from what I can tell there's no custom ROM for it (Malaysk is only for RK3x88 series) which is kinda of a big minus for me (since one is at the mercy of the seller).
Am I missing something? From what I can tell the RK3188 and Sofia CPUs are more or less identical in terms of performance, the RAM being the big difference.
I'm looking for stability (not going to play games or videos on the HU - I just want waze and probably the radio) first so a slower, older CPU with a solid community and ROM behind it fits my list.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
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Theres no "current recommendation", its all down to personal opinion. The Sofia units are ok (both MTCD and "009" versions), so are the Rockchip RK3188 MTCB/C/D ones which bring the benefit of custom ROMs. The Rockchip ones dont come with 2GB as standard and (in Lollipop guise at least) they need it, but that can be added relatively easily. However, the latest MTCD versions and Klyde's versions (probably MTCC but no ones sure at the mo) use the octacore Rockchip PX5 (RK3368) so should offer better performance than the Sofia or RK3188 units.
Your only option for custom ROMs at least at the moment are the RK3188 units. Another benefit of the MTCB/C type is that theres a particularly good audio mod that gives control of the audio chip to Android, although youd have to be able to solder to do it.
typos1 said:
Theres no "current recommendation", its all down to personal opinion. The Sofia units are ok (both MTCD and "009" versions), so are the Rockchip RK3188 MTCB/C/D ones which bring the benefit of custom ROMs. The Rockchip ones dont come with 2GB as standard and (in Lollipop guise at least) they need it, but that can be added relatively easily. However, the latest MTCD versions and Klyde's versions (probably MTCC but no ones sure at the mo) use the octacore Rockchip PX5 (RK3368) so should offer better performance than the Sofia or RK3188 units.
Your only option for custom ROMs at least at the moment are the RK3188 units. Another benefit of the MTCB/C type is that theres a particularly good audio mod that gives control of the audio chip to Android, although youd have to be able to solder to do it.
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Thanks for the reply. Soldering extra RAM is not something I can do easy - I lack expertise and getting hardware in EU tends to be expensive and slow; I'd much rather pay extra (and wait) to have it built in the factory.
I'll keep an eye on the RK3368 boards.
Any idea whether these would be ROM friendly ?
selbyog said:
Thanks for the reply. Soldering extra RAM is not something I can do easy - I lack expertise and getting hardware in EU tends to be expensive and slow; I'd much rather pay extra (and wait) to have it built in the factory.
I'll keep an eye on the RK3368 boards.
Any idea whether these would be ROM friendly ?
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I m in the EU and I got my RAM for about $30 in the group buy, theres a thread open at the mo, they took 3 days to arrive. It would just be a case of finding somewhere to do the soldering for you, thats what most people have done.
If the Klyde PX5 units are MTCC it should mean that anyone with an MTCB or MTCC unit currently could simply change their SoM for a PX5 one, we just dont know yet (the original MTCB units were dual core RK3066 and a lot of people just upgraded their SoMs to the quadcore RK3188). Well, we dont know until someone buys one - theyve been on sale since November, but if they are MTCC an upgrade to a PX5 would be possible if you bought an MTCB or C RK3188 and upgraded the RAM, then youd be able to sell your RK3188 SoM with 2GB RAM as it would be quite sort after due to the extra RAM . . IF theyre MTCC that is.
All that may be a bit long winded for you but at least youd have access to a custom ROM as you wanted with the possibility of upgrading in the future to a version that is more likely to have support from current MTCB custom ROM makers (I m assuming theyd eventually upgrade to PX5 units themselves and start making ROMs for them).
Or you could just buy a Klyde PX5 unit now and have the most up to date unit, but with no custom ROMs support yet :
http://www.szklyde.com/bmw-android-car-dvd-player/38112008.html
If I sound MTCB/C biased, well I have 2 so I am. But from what I ve read the Sofia MTCD and 009 units are good too and at least theoretically easier to make a custom ROM for because Intel release their source code, unlike Rockchip. But no custom ROMs exist as yet.
Thanks again!
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I m in the EU
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Cool - where did you buy your units? Any with warehouses in EU?
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If I sound MTCB/C biased, well I have 2 so I am. But from what I ve read the Sofia MTCD and 009 units are good too and at least theoretically easier to make a custom ROM for because Intel release their source code, unlike Rockchip. But no custom ROMs exist as yet.
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Klyde's unit indicates support for Android 6.0.1 while Intel's on 5.x and most MTCB on 4.x. Reading the forums I thought a MTCD board is required for android 5.x but it looks like that might not be the case - I guess in the end it depends on the manufacturer.
Btw, I read that one nice thing about Sofia is the fastboot feature which is not present on RK31xx/30xx units - not sure whether this is SoM or MCU specific. Do you have this feature on your units?
I like your idea about using an existing, tried-out platform (RK3188) with upgraded ram and custom ROM - it was my initial plan but the whole prospect was off putting.
I'll ask around to see how complicated/expensive would be to do the soldering.
Cheers,
selbyog said:
Thanks again!
Cool - where did you buy your units? Any with warehouses in EU?
Klyde's unit indicates support for Android 6.0.1 while Intel's on 5.x and most MTCB on 4.x. Reading the forums I thought a MTCD board is required for android 5.x but it looks like that might not be the case - I guess in the end it depends on the manufacturer.
Btw, I read that one nice thing about Sofia is the fastboot feature which is not present on RK31xx/30xx units - not sure whether this is SoM or MCU specific. Do you have this feature on your units?
I like your idea about using an existing, tried-out platform (RK3188) with upgraded ram and custom ROM - it was my initial plan but the whole prospect was off putting.
I'll ask around to see how complicated/expensive would be to do the soldering.
Cheers,
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Lollipop has been out for MTCB/C for about a year, this applies to ALL manufacturers and all RK3188 units, Klyde are the only ones who do Lollipop ROMs but the ROM can be used on ANY MTCB/C RK3188 device because they all use the same SoM. Some people find it laggy (I dont) but the 2GB RAM sorts that. Boot time is 20 - 30 seconds depending on what ROM you use, but there is no specific fast boot feature.
I did a group buy as ordering just 2 modules is expensive, but read the second RAM group buy thread in the MTCB hardware mod section and pm the guy who did it I think there may be some left.
Hi all,
I've been looking to upgrade the head unit in my car. I came across Android HUs on eBay.
This seems to be the best one on eBay to my (very limited) knowledge:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Android-7...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Are they any good? I have also seen them on Alibaba/Aliexpress. Are they all the same or are certain ones better? Prices can vary wildly.
If someone could point me in the right direction for the best quality HU I'd be very grateful!
That a px3 new modle with 2gig ram so yes it good but i would go for px5 chip if possible as it an 8 core both have great support on here malesky rom is excellent i personally wouldn't go for intel sofia as there slightly less support but that can change there some and root from what i read but no custom rom i could be wrong this is just my opinion
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The download link is on first page of his page v5 is his latest https://yadi.sk/d/ouDv5oAo3Mh7M5 this his link to v5 it says download limit reached but all you do is just make an account then save to your yandisk acount then you can download
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That a px3 new modle with 2gig ram so yes it good but i would go for px5 chip if possible as it an 8 core both have great support on here malesky rom is excellent i personally wouldn't go for intel sofia as there slightly less support but that can change there some and root from what i read but no custom rom i could be wrong this is just my opinion
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The download link is on first page of his page v5 is his latest https://yadi.sk/d/ouDv5oAo3Mh7M5 this his link to v5 it says download limit reached but all you do is just make an account then save to your yandisk acount then you can download
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Less support? You should SEE what they're doing on the joying forum.... They've got the whole MCU protocol reverse engineered, and have the things running on the base AOSP (i.e., without all the chinese trash applications installed).
luciusfox said:
Less support? You should SEE what they're doing on the joying forum.... They've got the whole MCU protocol reverse engineered, and have the things running on the base AOSP (i.e., without all the chinese trash applications installed).
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Well that changes alot as i said i could be wrong lol you have to admit it is hard navigating throu these forums we could do with having them all cleaned up put into sections px5 px3 intel ..... Like the mobile section if you get me but anyway thanks for the info that may well be the next for me so do you think intel sofia ones better that px5 ?
So this is confusing me even more lol.
I've found the PX-5 unit which @chris4507 mentioned. Seems expensive but I'm willing to pay more for a piece of mind:
https://www.seicane.com/oem-2-din-2...nk-obd2-3g-wifi-backup-camera-canbus-s127000e
Can't find anything that mentions Joying? I'm not sure what that is...
mikem1989 said:
So this is confusing me even more lol.
I've found the PX-5 unit which @chris4507 mentioned. Seems expensive but I'm willing to pay more for a piece of mind:
https://www.seicane.com/oem-2-din-2...nk-obd2-3g-wifi-backup-camera-canbus-s127000e
Can't find anything that mentions Joying? I'm not sure what that is...
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2GB RAM Octa Core Android 6.0 Car DVD GPS Navigation Multimedia Player Car Stereo for Fiat BRAVO 2007-2012 Radio Headunit
http://s.aliexpress.com/eiArENfu
(from AliExpress Android) theres this for fiat bravo anno there bit more expensive but px3 4 core px5 8 but up to you i dont know much about intel sofia and apparently there is support out there for them i.e custom roms so someone else who know will have to inform you which is better px5 or sofia but can garentee px5 better than px3
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2GB RAM Octa Core Android 6.0 Car DVD GPS Navigation Multimedia Player Car Stereo for Fiat BRAVO 2007-2012 Radio Headunit
http://s.aliexpress.com/eiArENfu
(from AliExpress Android) theres this for fiat bravo anno there bit more expensive but px3 4 core px5 8 but up to you i dont know much about intel sofia and apparently there is support out there for them i.e custom roms so someone else who know will have to inform you which is better px5 or sofia but can garentee px5 better than px3
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I may go for the PX5. It seems to be well supported. The Chinese Android head units do seem a bit of a gamble but have great potential.
I do agree with you that this forum should have more subsections, which would make it easier to navigate/ find the information I'm looking for.
mikem1989 said:
So this is confusing me even more lol.
I've found the PX-5 unit which @chris4507 mentioned. Seems expensive but I'm willing to pay more for a piece of mind:
https://www.seicane.com/oem-2-din-2...nk-obd2-3g-wifi-backup-camera-canbus-s127000e
Can't find anything that mentions Joying? I'm not sure what that is...
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Just to be a prick... http://bfy.tw/EU5z
luciusfox said:
Just to be a prick... http://bfy.tw/EU5z
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Cheers mate...
I thought googling joying would yield similar pointless results as when I google PX5 (try it and see what comes up).
Been new to this, I actually thought 'joying' was a CPU name like PX5 is. I was keeping an eye out for joying in the specs.
luciusfox said:
Just to be a prick... http://bfy.tw/EU5z
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How did you do that btw?
We all enjoy being a prick. I want to do one for when people ask stupid questions on FB, like "What time does the Asda down the road close?"
mikem1989 said:
How did you do that btw?
We all enjoy being a prick. I want to do one for when people ask stupid questions on FB, like "What time does the Asda down the road close?"
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Literally search Google for let me Google that for you.
Or visit here.
Which is lmgtfy =
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luciusfox said:
Less support? You should SEE what they're doing on the joying forum.... They've got the whole MCU protocol reverse engineered, and have the things running on the base AOSP (i.e., without all the chinese trash applications installed).
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...disabled on xda, he sure does claim alot. Context is the JY sofia unit, which may or may not use the same protocol as MTCx.
For OP, read before you buy and understand what you are buying; do you need to rush.
These px3/px5 and sofia (except sofia jy) are all common reference units with many resellers and only a few manufacturers. They call work from a common reference design (MTCD being the latest) with a few minor variations - such as amp IC.
Beat you to it @typos1
marchnz said:
...disabled on xda, he sure does claim alot. Context is the JY sofia unit, which may or may not use the same protocol as MTCx.
For OP, read before you buy and understand what you are buying; do you need to rush.
These px3/px5 and sofia (except sofia jy) are all common reference units with many resellers and only a few manufacturers. They call work from a common reference design (MTCD being the latest) with a few minor variations - such as amp IC.
Beat you to it @typos1
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You say that as if you don't believe a word of it, which is a pretty curious position for anyone to take when there is actual SOURCE CODE being provided. So you don't believe it? Maybe you should actually try it out. Check out the source code, build it, install it.
There are actually two main competing "sources". One is, as you mention, MTC, the other is FYT. Joying was initially reselling MTC units being built by Joyous (confusing?), buy they switched to SYU, which was manufacturing units based on the FYT SoM (specifically, FYT5009, and later they switched to FYT6021 which is basically the same, but has a different physical interface). Shortly after, FYT acquired SYU.
One of the big advantages to the FYT/SYU design is that there is a whole lot LESS dependency on the MCU. For example, you can search through the MTC forums and will find reference to a hardware modification to disconnect the i2c lines controlling the BD37xxx sound processor from the MCU and attach it to the SoC. This modification is entirely redundant on the FYT/SYU units, because the BD37xxx is built into the SoM rather than being added on later to the mainboard through the MCU. So right off the bat, it is a heck of a lot easier to manage the FYT units than the MTC units.
The MCU on the FYT designs is responsible for these functions;
1) AMFM radio,
2) GPIO, which basically means the binary car i/o signals; ACC, headlights, reverse, e-brake, amp power (out), antenna power (out). And on top of that, it has two analog inputs for 2-channel steering wheel interfaces.
And guess what? Everything else is directly controllable.
So you're absolutely right that the work being done for the joying units (FYT) is not in any way applicable to the MTC units. You can take that to mean that nobody with an MTC will be able to benefit from it, which means that they remain restricted by the broken software being distributed by the chinese manufacturers, whereas somebody who buys a Joying unit will have the freedom to CHOOSE if they want to use the broken chinese firmware, or try out the much LESS broken open source firmware, and contribute to that firmware if they like.
There are also plans to bring Android 8 to the Joying units.
Now one other consideration for the joying/fyt units; since the job of the MCU is so radically simplified compared to the MTC units, there is also a reasonable prospect of somebody one day deciding to build an open source MCU firmware for them. Its not like these MCU's are super secret chips that nobody can program anything for. The biggest part of that job will just be in writing the driver for working the AMFM radio, and AMFM radios really aren't all that complex. In the past, there have been hacker modifications for the MTC MCU firmware, but very restricted in scope due to the heap of bad code. Basically, the reverse engineering effort was insurmountable. With the MCU for the FYT, the only reverse engineering that is actually needed is restricted to simply tracing the circuit, then it can simply be written from scratch. Remember, its just AMFM radio and GPIO's.
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You say that as if you don't believe a word of it, which is a pretty curious position for anyone to take when there is actual SOURCE CODE being provided. So you don't believe it? Maybe you should actually try it out. Check out the source code, build it, install it.
There are actually two main competing "sources". One is, as you mention, MTC, the other is FYT. Joying was initially reselling MTC units being built by Joyous (confusing?), buy they switched to SYU, which was manufacturing units based on the FYT SoM (specifically, FYT5009, and later they switched to FYT6021 which is basically the same, but has a different physical interface). Shortly after, FYT acquired SYU.
One of the big advantages to the FYT/SYU design is that there is a whole lot LESS dependency on the MCU. For example, you can search through the MTC forums and will find reference to a hardware modification to disconnect the i2c lines controlling the BD37xxx sound processor from the MCU and attach it to the SoC. This modification is entirely redundant on the FYT/SYU units, because the BD37xxx is built into the SoM rather than being added on later to the mainboard through the MCU. So right off the bat, it is a heck of a lot easier to manage the FYT units than the MTC units.
The MCU on the FYT designs is responsible for these functions;
1) AMFM radio,
2) GPIO, which basically means the binary car i/o signals; ACC, headlights, reverse, e-brake, amp power (out), antenna power (out). And on top of that, it has two analog inputs for 2-channel steering wheel interfaces.
And guess what? Everything else is directly controllable.
So you're absolutely right that the work being done for the joying units (FYT) is not in any way applicable to the MTC units. You can take that to mean that nobody with an MTC will be able to benefit from it, which means that they remain restricted by the broken software being distributed by the chinese manufacturers, whereas somebody who buys a Joying unit will have the freedom to CHOOSE if they want to use the broken chinese firmware, or try out the much LESS broken open source firmware, and contribute to that firmware if they like.
There are also plans to bring Android 8 to the Joying units.
Now one other consideration for the joying/fyt units; since the job of the MCU is so radically simplified compared to the MTC units, there is also a reasonable prospect of somebody one day deciding to build an open source MCU firmware for them. Its not like these MCU's are super secret chips that nobody can program anything for. The biggest part of that job will just be in writing the driver for working the AMFM radio, and AMFM radios really aren't all that complex. In the past, there have been hacker modifications for the MTC MCU firmware, but very restricted in scope due to the heap of bad code. Basically, the reverse engineering effort was insurmountable. With the MCU for the FYT, the only reverse engineering that is actually needed is restricted to simply tracing the circuit, then it can simply be written from scratch. Remember, its just AMFM radio and GPIO's.
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Makes sense, thanks for the thoughtful and detailed response.
Was sceptical that anything might come of it.
Basically, what I am getting from this is that I should buy a Joying unit?...
It's a shame, as I do not like the physical appearance of them. The PX5 unit visibly suits my car much better.
mikem1989 said:
Basically, what I am getting from this is that I should buy a Joying unit?...
It's a shame, as I do not like the physical appearance of them. The PX5 unit visibly suits my car much better.
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Its certainly what I would do.
As far as appearance goes, they have an "all black glass rectangle". Pretty hard to beat that visually.
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mikem1989 said:
Basically, what I am getting from this is that I should buy a Joying unit?...
It's a shame, as I do not like the physical appearance of them. The PX5 unit visibly suits my car much better.
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Feel free to correct me if Im wrong - the pros n cons of each platform:
JY (sofia FTY)
Pros:
- Android Bluetooth, better a2dp quality.
- 3G built in option
- True 3 band eq(?)
- Android control of audio (?)
- potentially AOSP on these units within an undefined timeline
Cons:
- same as MTCD in terms of software bugs/overall quality
- RDS AF issue/non-function
- small number of manufacturers
- suspect JY to drop sofia soon and move to PX5
SOM (this might be based on same reference as sofia w/built in BT?)
- Still uses MCU, albeit less functions are performed by MCU
-hardware QA
- rubbish warranty as all other chinese reseller
- rubbish reseller support as all other chinese reseller
MTCD
Pros:
- Wide support and spares.
- high update cycle, availability of mcu and android due to multiple resellers, greater probability of a vendor releasing updates based on the reference release (e.g.currently HA releasing both HA and HCT reference updates)
- Ability to upgrade SOM or replace on failure
- same boot time/sleep as JY sofia
- same features as JY sofia
- greater model/case variations
- ostensibly more devs writing custom apps/control mods
Cons:
-Awful BT implementation (i suspect a port from wince units )
- above results in terrible a2dp quality and until recently bad quality/echo phone handsfree
- same RDS AF issue
- Hardware QA
- rubbish warranty as all other chinese reseller
- rubbish reseller support as all other chinese reseller
Anything else or do I have anything wrong here?
I'm still not decided between PX3 or PX5.
Does anyone know when they are due an update? (better CPU/More RAM)
Is it a yearly thing?
If so, may just wait for the next iteration.
mikem1989 said:
I'm still not decided between PX3 or PX5.
Does anyone know when they are due an update? (better CPU/More RAM)
Is it a yearly thing?
If so, may just wait for the next iteration.
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I've read that to move GPS Navigation and music at the same time comfortably, you should have at least 2 GB and PX5, but the Intel Sofia seems to be the best one of all.
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I've read that to move GPS Navigation and music at the same time comfortably, you should have at least 2 GB and PX5, but the Intel Sofia seems to be the best one of all.
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The Intel Sofia only seems to be available in the joying units from what I see. With the fascia I want for my car it looks like I can choose between PX3 or PX5 only.
Think I'll go PX5. Unless there are any updated models on the horizon.
Hi Guys, quick question, I've searched around the forums and can't find anything about my unit the reseller is Sinosmart it's a SoFia based unit 2GB Ram 32GB Rom non 3G for a Chev/Holden Cruze it's running Android 6.01, the MCU 2017-06-09 RUL_(NOR)_90_C9_685x_5009_CAN(All)_Newlap_Amp, I understand that it may be a non branded joying type unit. The only issue I'm having with it is I can't control screen brightness at all the sliders do nothing and the night/illumination function does nothing. Any help would be greatly appreciated
Just an update I found this at the 4pda forum RUL = Sinosmart so they make their own variant of the MCU software, is this correct? In regards to rooting the unit, is it safe to use the non joying boot image on these forums, has anyone else had experience with this brand? Thanks in advance
Joying units are manufactured by an outfit called "Carsql" aka "SYU", which is now owned by the manufacturer of the SoM, "FYT". They (SYU/SQL/FYT) have a lot of customers that they manufacture radios for, INCLUDING Joying, and likely yours as well. Usually, the MCU is tagged with the customer ID.
This is much the same as MTC, which also has a lot of customers that they make radios for, which *used to* include Joying, who I guess got a better deal and/or better product from SYU.
I can tell you that from a hardware engineering point of view, the SQL/FYT units are a lot better than the MTC units.
Software wise, however, its a wash. They all suck.
So what your saying is in my case Sinosmart is a customer of SQL/FYT if this is the case and a lot of the units are made by the one company for these re seller groups, how come the mcu's aren't cross compatible I understand rom's can be if they are based on the same SOC in my case the intel Sofia, why is there a separation between joying and all the other intel based units, does joying use an mcu unique to their units? also wouldn't the joying/other brand sofia based unit rom's be compatible with each other, or is it not that simple due to slight variations in gps chips, radio chips, ect....hopefully that makes sense! Thanks for your reply
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So what your saying is in my case Sinosmart is a customer of SQL/FYT if this is the case and a lot of the units are made by the one company for these re seller groups, how come the mcu's aren't cross compatible I understand rom's can be if they are based on the same SOC in my case the intel Sofia, why is there a separation between joying and all the other intel based units, does joying use an mcu unique to their units? also wouldn't the joying/other brand sofia based unit rom's be compatible with each other, or is it not that simple due to slight variations in gps chips, radio chips, ect....hopefully that makes sense! Thanks for your reply
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Almost all compatibility problems are *intentional*. They just put a string into the MCU version field that the OS uses to decide if it wants to play nice or dirty.
More than likely, those units are FULLY compatible.
No ones reverse engineered the mcu flash files? I read a while back someone had done or had partial success with the older units on then 4pda site
Ive been using android units for years, currently Ive got a 10.1 Joying Sofia unit I want to replace, a JY-UL134N2, im fed up with how quickly Joying abandoned it. Ive had various make and spec units in the past as things have evolved.
Im specifically looking for another double din unit with a 10 inch screen.
Basically Im looking for something with good update support thats PX5 based, 4gb ram and 32gb rom or better.
Ideally something Malaysk compatible too.
Ive read talk about some units now coming with better DSP setups which would be good.
I saw a 10.1 screen version of the ATOTO A6 Pro I liked but their specs like dual bluetooth make me wonder if theyre Malaysk compatible and the hardware specs seem to lag behind with quad core and less ram.
I also read that Dasaita are very good at ongoing support.
I have also been considering the xtrons TE103AP.
Essentially based on the above I would appreciate peoples suggestions as I want to make a purchase soon since my Joying has become problematic.
mindriot said:
Basically Im looking for something with good update support thats PX5 based, 4gb ram and 32gb rom or better.
Ideally something Malaysk compatible too.
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In that case make sure you get a PX5 MTCE unit - then it will be compatible with the Malaysk or Hal9K roms. If it isn't MTCE you won't have much luck with mods.
Thanks for replying, know any with a 10.1 screen specifically?
Ive been refamiliarising and some of the new intel based airmont ones sound interesting for speed and with dsp but ive only seen the joying unit and im not fond of the type of screen mounting.
Theres also the talk about PX6 units but they seem to be much slower arriving than expected.
This looks like your best bet
http://xtrons.co.uk/te103ap-10-1-an...vd-player-with-adjustable-viewing-angles.html
millab said:
This looks like your best bet
http://xtrons.co.uk/te103ap-10-1-an...vd-player-with-adjustable-viewing-angles.html
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Yep thats the one i keep coming back to thanks. Ive got very used to the bigger screen which works very well in a vw T5 dashboard.
Just the advent of airmont items has me distracted, and the idea of a dsp added, but ive lived fine without advanced dsp up until now
However the px5 is apparently the equal or better of sofia 3gr so that would do, especially with malaysk etc vs bloated stock roms.
Yeah I have a PX5 with DSP and the DSP is pretty good - there are ways of adding it to a unit, but it requires some soldering apparently. You could ask Xtrons if they can add it for you. I know some sellers give that option.
Good suggestion, I have sent an email will see if I get a reply.
It must be possible Im guessing the XV8 from androidautoshop is the same unit : https://androidautoshop.com/univers...32gb-entertainment-system.html#/26-map-europe
Im tempted to just commit and buy though sense dictates I should wait and see what PX6 or Airmont stuff comes out soon (maybe).
On that thought does anyone know of any Airmont based double din units with DSP there are with a 10 inch screen (if any) are out yet? (other than the one joying unit being discussed recently).
mindriot said:
Good suggestion, I have sent an email will see if I get a reply.
It must be possible Im guessing the XV8 from androidautoshop is the same unit : https://androidautoshop.com/univers...32gb-entertainment-system.html#/26-map-europe
Im tempted to just commit and buy though sense dictates I should wait and see what PX6 or Airmont stuff comes out soon (maybe).
On that thought does anyone know of any Airmont based double din units with DSP there are with a 10 inch screen (if any) are out yet? (other than the one joying unit being discussed recently).
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Yes that one looks the same. Android Auto Shop units also come pre-rooted with Hal9K ROM apparently, and you can get a $25 discount with a link in the Hal9K ROM thread here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...nt/rom-hal9k-rom-3-mtcd-e-head-units-t3847477
I think that has expired the site doesnt recognise it.
No matter will still consider the purchase.
Never tried hal9k just malaysk some time back before i had the sofia unit.
Well as yet xtrons havent bothered to respond if they could supply one with a DSP fitted.
androidautoshop responded quickly to a couple of emails asking for some details, then frustratingly I found the XV8 is now sold out lol.
mindriot said:
Well as yet xtrons havent bothered to respond if they could supply one with a DSP fitted.
androidautoshop responded quickly to a couple of emails asking for some details, then frustratingly I found the XV8 is now sold out lol.
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Haha of course that would happen! I hope they have stock again soon for you, it really looks like your best option.
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Haha of course that would happen! I hope they have stock again soon for you, it really looks like your best option.
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Xtrons finally responded, saying their unit isnt dsp compatible.
Meaning really they dont have any equipped units to sell.
Just a follow up, looks like Hal9k is going to do an A9 version for PX6 MTCE units, and the Dasaita Max6 10.2 unit with DSP is a perfect match, so Ill be buying that one soon.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Das...l?spm=a2g0s.imconversation.0.0.107e3e5fMUsClN
I sent Dasaita a message asking and they confirmed its MTCE.
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Just a follow up, looks like Hal9k is going to do an A9 version for PX6 MTCE units, and the Dasaita Max6 10.2 unit with DSP is a perfect match, so Ill be buying that one soon.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Das...l?spm=a2g0s.imconversation.0.0.107e3e5fMUsClN
I sent Dasaita a message asking and they confirmed its MTCE.
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I've been looking at this same one. Do you really need a custom rom though with these? I mean... it's a radio..not a phone. Isn't a custom launcher good enough? (assuming we still have root)
They are much, much more than a radio. They are computers akin to decent tablets WITH a radio and amplifier added, essentially the MCU part combined with the system core board.
In the past ive used malaysk on mtcb and mtcd units, then gtx on a sofia unit. Many cusstom roms on phones too for many years. Ive found custom roms are worth it, removing bloat, making them perform better and adding sensible features, ie a lock screen on boot with gtx or more responsive with mslaysk making them safer to use when driving. Or better sound processing, more useability, xposed, gps fixes, bluetooth fixes, rds fixes, and so on the list is quite significant for some devices.
Unfortunately with most resellers, and makers for that matter, little or at least minimum effort goes into the android aspect beyond looks with these stereos. As always the work done by people here at xda bridges the gap to help make significant improvements to some devices.
In my opinion and experience buying these units in stock form are akin to unfinished, it takes a custom rom to make them what they should. Yes theyre improving all the time and i havent experienced dasaita before (their rep for android updates is good) ive most recently wasted my money on a couple of joying units (never again), also consider the likes of hal9k is sponsored by androidautoshop and they actually supply many of their units preinstalled with hal9k instead of stock i believe.
Just bought a head unit from AndroidAutoShop, I can keep you posted on what I think when it arrives and I get it installed.
I too am looking to get a semi future proof 10" double din (or single) HU.
I've been looking at Xtrons, I'll study Dasiata.
Any difference between 8.1 or 9.0?
I will primarily use Android Auto, Assistant & Radio
AMRivlin said:
I too am looking to get a semi future proof 10" double din (or single) HU.
I've been looking at Xtrons, I'll study Dasiata.
Any difference between 8.1 or 9.0?
I will primarily use Android Auto, Assistant & Radio
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I looked at Xtrons units, but for my car they only had units with PX30, and I would like something with PX6.
What I have heard, Android 9 is more "smoother" and faster than 8.1. Just an overall improvement I think.
Does DSP affect the ability to use custom ROMs like Malaysk?
mindriot said:
Yep thats the one i keep coming back to thanks. Ive got very used to the bigger screen which works very well in a vw T5 dashboard.
Just the advent of airmont items has me distracted, and the idea of a dsp added, but ive lived fine without advanced dsp up until now
However the px5 is apparently the equal or better of sofia 3gr so that would do, especially with malaysk etc vs bloated stock roms.
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Malaysk works on Intel Sofia? Thought it was on RockChip
Hi.
I have a VW Scirocco 2010 with Dynaudio system, until now I have a Joying Intel Sofia unit, but since 2 weeks ago the unit display start to dissapear sometimes and right now if more often that the display doesn´t work.
I'm thinking in change the unit and I have seen the new Joying 4Gb and a Pumpking unit. Both manufacters said that is compatible with dynaudio system.
I would like to know which one do you think is bette and with better audio quality, because when I changed my factory radio (RCD510) to Joying intel sofia, the sound quality was much worse than the factory sound.
Joying 4/64Gb Intel SC9853i Android 8.1.0
Pumpkin 4/32 Octacore Android 9.0
Thank you very much
jose.marcos.3720 said:
Hi.
I have a VW Scirocco 2010 with Dynaudio system, until now I have a Joying Intel Sofia unit, but since 2 weeks ago the unit display start to dissapear sometimes and right now if more often that the display doesn´t work.
I'm thinking in change the unit and I have seen the new Joying 4Gb and a Pumpking unit. Both manufacters said that is compatible with dynaudio system.
I would like to know which one do you think is bette and with better audio quality, because when I changed my factory radio (RCD510) to Joying intel sofia, the sound quality was much worse than the factory sound.
Joying 4/64Gb Intel SC9853i Android 8.1.0
Pumpkin 4/32 Octacore Android 9.0
Thank you very much
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Nobody can help me?
The OEM head unit has an in-build equalizer curve (to match the Dynaudio system), the android radio has a "flat" output. That is the reason for the bad or different soud quality.
I had my Skoda Columbus Navigation device coded via VCDS to "flat" (because I have an external DSP installed) and there is no change in sound quality after my recent change to an Joying Intel device.
Any up on this topic please. We need Android 9 firmware like Malay for Joying Intel SC9853i. The reason for an aftermarket radio is for us to be able to customize as needed, but it seems that Joying firmware is too boring and a lot of bugs. Don't quote me wrong, I love Joying radio, but they need to do more with firmware updates.
Lovin' my Pumpkin : https://www.autopumpkin.com/product...t-access-function?_pos=1&_sid=ca287b8cb&_ss=r
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Any up on this topic please. We need Android 9 firmware like Malay for Joying Intel SC9853i. The reason for an aftermarket radio is for us to be able to customize as needed, but it seems that Joying firmware is too boring and a lot of bugs. Don't quote me wrong, I love Joying radio, but they need to do more with firmware updates.
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Come on. It is the same for all brands. Joying is actually relatively active with their firmware upgrades compared to the rest. Since introduction in Feb 2019 we already had 6-7 firmware upgrades.
The fact that Malaysk and Hal9K are even more active with their custom roms, doesn't mean Joying is not doing a (relatively) good job.
And as such I fully agree: there are bugs in the FYT software (not Joying! Joying is like many others brands just a reseller of FYT hardware/software), and it takes way too long to solve them. But at least you sometimes get a firmware upgrade.
Malaysk/Hal9k give you more options to tweak your mtc-b/c/d/e unit, but qualitatively speaking: the units are not better or worse. All Chinese units are qualitatively worse compared to the real A-brands.
Also: How often do you get an upgrade on your phone if it is not an A-brand and a top-model of that A-brand?
You pay 300 euros/dollars for a unit, and maybe 500-1000 euros/dollars for a phone, which proabably also sell in much higher quantities increasing margin. What do you expect?
Hi surfer63,
I appreciate your comment. I just want you to know that you don't need to sound defensive here. If you read my comment good I said I love Joying radio, which is my opinion. How much we spend on radio is not what matters.
NVIDIA Shield 2015 still receives update till now just for an example. I guess you know how much it cost to get one.
I love Joying radio and will recommend it to anyone that is in the market for an Android radio.
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Hi surfer63,
I appreciate your comment. I just want you to know that you don't need to sound defensive here. If you read my comment good I said I love Joying radio, which is my opinion. How much we spend on radio is not what matters.
NVIDIA Shield 2015 still receives update till now just for an example. I guess you know how much it cost to get one.
I love Joying radio and will recommend it to anyone that is in the market for an Android radio.
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I dont think you understood his post, there's nothing defensive in it. You also missed where surfer explains that Joying are a reseller of FYT, they're just a reseller of multiple manufacturers.
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I dont think you understood his post, there's nothing defensive in it. You also missed where surfer explains that Joying are a reseller of FYT, they're just a reseller of multiple manufacturers.
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Both of you should accept my apology.
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Both of you should accept my apology.
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Not necessary at all. We all reflect our own opinions here and sometimes they are not the same, sometimes they directly clash. Sometimes we simply misunderstand each other. Most of us are not native speakers (like myself) and that sometimes can also lead to discussions going into the wrong direction.
As long as everyone shows respect to one another, that is never a problem (to me). It only sometimes takes a few more posts to get it clear.