Hello,I have a SEAT IBIZA 6L(2002 to 2008) and that model don't have canbus.
I need to use Steering Wheel Control Interface and I need your recomendation for my car.
I attach a image for my central dashboard.
Thanks a lot
Adrián
Polloloko said:
Hello,I have a SEAT IBIZA 6L(2002 to 2008) and that model don't have canbus.
I need to use Steering Wheel Control Interface and I need your recomendation for my car.
I attach a image for my central dashboard.
Thanks a lot
Adrián
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You need a universal model (and perhaps a frame adapter if your headunit fit is not a standard double din size) . Check on dasaita (Aliexpress) for the px5 Android 6 version.
Your steering wheel controls will be kept as they are resistive. You have to assign functions to each key into specific headunit app
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Your steering wheel controls will be kept as they are resistive. You have to assign functions to each key into specific headunit app
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But some cars needs a special harness because I dont have canbus in my car.With my last radio of Alpine I need a harness to work with the steering wheel control.
Thanks
Common brands of headunits (Alpine, pioneer, Sony...) support specific resistance for the steering wheel signals. The can bus you mention converts the resistive ot coded signal (not in your case) into specific signal to be read by that brands.
The Android headunit I mentioned can grab the resistive signal (any).
In the case your car has can-bus coded steering wheel buttons..you can use the same can bus you used for the Alpine and the Android headunit will grab the signals coming from your can-bus box
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ikerg said:
Common brands of headunits (Alpine, pioneer, Sony...) support specific resistance for the steering wheel signals. The can bus you mention converts the resistive ot coded signal (not in your case) into specific signal to be read by that brands.
The Android headunit I mentioned can grab the resistive signal (any).
In the case your car has can-bus coded steering wheel buttons..you can use the same can bus you used for the Alpine and the Android headunit will grab the signals coming from your can-bus box
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Finally I bought a Erisin ES5086V https://es.aliexpress.com/item/Erisin-ES5086V-7-Car-GPS-8-Core-Android6-0-DAB-Radio-for-Passat-Polo-Jetta-Seat/32812973576.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.srxxFJ that is similar of Dasaita and send it to Spain.
I think that model I can change the fw and update like dasaita or similars.
Ahi la tenias:
https://es.aliexpress.com/store/pro...Golf-Transporter-with/600991_32804802271.html
ikerg said:
Ahi la tenias:
https://es.aliexpress.com/store/pro...Golf-Transporter-with/600991_32804802271.html
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Si pero por si acaso esa viene de China ( con su riesgo de aduanas ) y la que pedí viene de UK ,al vivir yo en la UE no me cobran tasas.
Gracias y un saludo
ikerg said:
You need a universal model (and perhaps a frame adapter if your headunit fit is not a standard double din size) . Check on dasaita (Aliexpress) for the px5 Android 6 version.
Your steering wheel controls will be kept as they are resistive. You have to assign functions to each key into specific headunit app
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@ikerg some vendors tell me that I need that adapter/harness ( http://www.connects2.com/Product/ProductItem/CTSST002.2 )
and other say that I don't adapter because the radio is also with Iso connector and can bus built in.
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Dont buy it at the moment.
Try the headunit when you receive it as it is.
If you can't use your steering wheel buttons, use the app to make the headunit learn the signals for steering wheel buttons.
If anything worked....then you have to buy a can-bus box.
But...if you still have your old can bus box you mentioned before (take some photos) you will (more than probably) to use it without buying anything else
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ikerg said:
Dont buy it at the moment.
Try the headunit when you receive it as it is.
If you can't use your steering wheel buttons, use the app to make the headunit learn the signals for steering wheel buttons.
If anything worked....then you have to buy a can-bus box.
But...if you still have your old can bus box you mentioned before (take some photos) you will (more than probably) to use it without buying anything else
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Ok when I receive the unit I try and I tell what happends.
Thanks a lot
ikerg said:
Dont buy it at the moment.
Try the headunit when you receive it as it is.
If you can't use your steering wheel buttons, use the app to make the headunit learn the signals for steering wheel buttons.
If anything worked....then you have to buy a can-bus box.
But...if you still have your old can bus box you mentioned before (take some photos) you will (more than probably) to use it without buying anything else
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I try to configure the butons with the app and try to configure but nothing works,the manual say yo Connect the two swc cables to anode and gnd to catode but not work or work bad.Any idea?
And another problem the unit not enter correctly in the car...I need to cut some plastics for the back of the console
I found that I needed to connect my Mazda 6 to Eincar head unit as follows:
EINCAR - SW1 goes to Mazda SW1
Eincar - SW2 left unconnected
Mazda SW2 connected to car chassis ground
The steering wheel resistor/switch network in my car had no ground connection, but the head unit was monitoring resistance to ground to detect button pushes. With no ground connection it always read infinite resistance and did nothing.
this was similar on my Honda.
From the Honda wiring harness, "REMOTE GND" (brown in my case) to ground; "REMOTE CTL" (green/red) to EinCar Key SW1 wire. EinCar Key SW2 wire left disconnected.
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I've a Dasaita MTCD-PX5 unit on a MazdaSpeed 3 2012. So far working great with the exception of the Phone Steering Wheel Controls. Those are supposed to work with some "dirty tricks" and special cabling. Somebody was able to make it work but the copy&paste of the instructions by Dasaita was a disaster...
Has anybody been able to set that up to work? Or does anybody by chance knows where can I get the schematics of the cabling of the original car Bluetooth unit to see if I can figure it out?
Thanks !!!
Max
Do you have can bus?
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Do you have can bus?
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Yes, the CanBus decoder came with the device. Volume/Mode/Next-Previous work OK. Is the phone functions (Answer/Hang-up/Voice command) the ones that do not work.
Max
When you have can bus installed...the learning SWC app does not work as the buttons are predefined by the can bus.
Which can bus options have you set up on the factory settings?
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As i remember when I was investigating about how to connect my Mazda cx5 to a MTCD without can bus i realized that key 1 and key2 had to be connected to two different pins into Mazda connector.
Key1 enabled volume&track buttons...and key2 enabled phone buttons...let me check if I have some information about that in order you could check it.
Which other car functionalities enables your can bus apart the swc?
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Perhaps you can wire directly your key1 and key2 directly to the head unit bypassing the can bus (as in Mazdas the signals are resistive and detected by head unit and they can be remapped to the android functions you want by SWC learning app)
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Do you have to connect Key2 to the pin in the ISO port?
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What I am.saying is that he has to check the wires. Key 1 and key2 shall be connected to the head unit...direclty or by canbus
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I'm not sure how it can be connected directly to the head unit? Are there any schematics?
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I'm not sure how it can be connected directly to the head unit? Are there any schematics?
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You have an adhesive with the schematics for the connectors on the head unit.
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ikerg said:
As i remember when I was investigating about how to connect my Mazda cx5 to a MTCD without can bus i realized that key 1 and key2 had to be connected to two different pins into Mazda connector.
Perhaps you can wire directly your key1 and key2 directly to the head unit bypassing the can bus (as in Mazdas the signals are resistive and detected by head unit and they can be remapped to the android functions you want by SWC learning app)
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Thanks for the info !!!
So, haven't had time yet to check it, but I'm almost sure the unit had the CanBus connections and the 2 cables labeled Key1 and Key2 floating arround (without any connector). So, you suggest that I use the picture to check which cable is Key1/Key2 on the car side and connect them directly instead of connecting them to the CanBus decoder, right?
Which app do you suggest for the learning/controlling? There's one that came with the Stock SW (Malasyk), but that didn't seem to work (now I understand why, there was nothing to learn, the CanBus controller is doing all the work)
Also, if I connect only Key2, should that work?
Thanks in advance
Max
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Thanks for the info !!!
So, haven't had time yet to check it, but I'm almost sure the unit had the CanBus connections and the 2 cables labeled Key1 and Key2 floating arround (without any connector). So, you suggest that I use the picture to check which cable is Key1/Key2 on the car side and connect them directly instead of connecting them to the CanBus decoder, right?
Which app do you suggest for the learning/controlling? There's one that came with the Stock SW (Malasyk), but that didn't seem to work (now I understand why, there was nothing to learn, the CanBus controller is doing all the work)
Also, if I connect only Key2, should that work?
Thanks in advance
Max
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Try with key2 only to check if works because it seems that key1 should be used by can bus (if not you will not have volume/track controls)
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I found that I needed to connect my 2009 Mazda 6 to Eincar head unit as follows:
EINCAR - SW1 goes to Mazda SW1
Eincar - SW2 left unconnected
Mazda SW2 connected to car chassis ground
The steering wheel resistor/switch network in my car had no ground connection, but the head unit was monitoring resistance to ground to detect button pushes. With no ground connection it always read infinite resistance and did nothing.
ikerg said:
As i remember when I was investigating about how to connect my Mazda cx5 to a MTCD without can bus i realized that key 1 and key2 had to be connected to two different pins into Mazda connector.
Key1 enabled volume&track buttons...and key2 enabled phone buttons...let me check if I have some information about that in order you could check it.
Which other car functionalities enables your can bus apart the swc?
Check this photo
Perhaps you can wire directly your key1 and key2 directly to the head unit bypassing the can bus (as in Mazdas the signals are resistive and detected by head unit and they can be remapped to the android functions you want by SWC learning app)
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Hi, I can't figure out which are the connectors for Key1 and Key2 as the quality of the image is very poor, do you have any better image? I tried googling but couldn't find any better..
There are wires connected to the Mazda radio harness for Key1 and Key2, Key2 is actually ground.. Do I need to cut those and connect the ones that are loose in the head unit?
Thins is really confusing and all the Chinese sellers are very unhelpful probably because of the language barrier...
As the OP mentioned it, it's mainly for the phone buttons (Answer, hang up, speech) as I want to use them too...
If someone has a schematic (Even lines drawn in MS Paint just to make it clear), that would be great.
Thanks
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If anyone has information regarding this, that would be great, I spent the last couple of days googling this to no avail... From what I understood, all needs to be connected is Key 1 from the head unit to Key 1 in the car radio harness and the same for Key2, then I would be able to remap all the steering wheel buttons including the Bluetooth buttons.
What I don't understand is that the Key1 and Key2 on the car radio harness already have wires connected to them from the head unit side, those wires are going to the CanBUS decoder, can I just cut the 2 wires and connect Key1 and Key2 to them?
@ikerg, you seem to be experienced with this, can you please clarify/confirm it?
Thanks
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If anyone has information regarding this, that would be great, I spent the last couple of days googling this to no avail... From what I understood, all needs to be connected is Key 1 from the head unit to Key 1 in the car radio harness and the same for Key2, then I would be able to remap all the steering wheel buttons including the Bluetooth buttons.
What I don't understand is that the Key1 and Key2 on the car radio harness already have wires connected to them from the head unit side, those wires are going to the CanBUS decoder, can I just cut the 2 wires and connect Key1 and Key2 to them?
@ikerg, you seem to be experienced with this, can you please clarify/confirm it?
Thanks
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Key1 and key2 are needed for swc control and for retrieving can bus information.
Obviously if you have a can bus connected to your headunits....that wires are already used by can bus.
Try first by removing the can bus.. if all your SWC buttons are responding on the headunit
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ikerg said:
Key1 and key2 are needed for swc control and for retrieving can bus information.
Obviously if you have a can bus connected to your headunits....that wires are already used by can bus.
Try first by removing the can bus.. if all your SWC buttons are responding on the headunit
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Thanks, I will try that and see how it is, but I guess I would lose other features from the CanBUS (Illumination, Reverse trigger for the camera)?
I will probably try to post on a Mazda 3 forum to see if people have information about it. Do you think Key1 is the 5V from the head unit and Key2 is GND?
I will try to unplug the head unit, use a multimeter and press the buttons to see if I get any readings, I will update this here.
From what I understood, you removed your CanBUS decoder and hard wired everything on your Mazda right? Can you please tell me more details about which wires you connected other than Key1 and Key2?
Thanks in advance, you are very helpful.
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Thanks, I will try that and see how it is, but I guess I would lose other features from the CanBUS (Illumination, Reverse trigger for the camera)?
I will probably try to post on a Mazda 3 forum to see if people have information about it. Do you think Key1 is the 5V from the head unit and Key2 is GND?
I will try to unplug the head unit, use a multimeter and press the buttons to see if I get any readings, I will update this here.
From what I understood, you removed your CanBUS decoder and hard wired everything on your Mazda right? Can you please tell me more details about which wires you connected other than Key1 and Key2?
Thanks in advance, you are very helpful.
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I had first a MTCD without can bus...so I connected the key1 and key2 wires properly to specific pins into the Mazda adapter and it worked.
Then I realized that I needed a can bus for reverse signal....so I bought a Pac rp4-mz11. Even not necessary it converts as well the swc signal to standard brand SWC signal...and it worked
On my last head unit (specific for Mazda cx5) it comes with can bus and it was a plug and play procedure....everything works as expected.
I have only one button that it is not preasigned...and I had to assign ton an action by mtcdtools.
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ikerg said:
I had first a MTCD without can bus...so I connected the key1 and key2 wires properly to specific pins into the Mazda adapter and it worked.
Then I realized that I needed a can bus for reverse signal....so I bought a Pac rp4-mz11. Even not necessary it converts as well the swc signal to standard brand SWC signal...and it worked
On my last head unit (specific for Mazda cx5) it comes with can bus and it was a plug and play procedure....everything works as expected.
I have only one button that it is not preasigned...and I had to assign ton an action by mtcdtools.
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As I have a CanBUS decoder with my head unit and the multimedia buttons work OK, do you think I can assign the Bluetooth buttons using MTCDTools? The SWC learning app with the Malaysk rom doesn't seem to detect any button when pressed... But the multimedia buttons are pre-assigned I guess from the CanBUS.
Thanks
ikerg said:
I had first a MTCD without can bus...so I connected the key1 and key2 wires properly to specific pins into the Mazda adapter and it worked.
Then I realized that I needed a can bus for reverse signal....so I bought a Pac rp4-mz11. Even not necessary it converts as well the swc signal to standard brand SWC signal...and it worked
On my last head unit (specific for Mazda cx5) it comes with can bus and it was a plug and play procedure....everything works as expected.
I have only one button that it is not preasigned...and I had to assign ton an action by mtcdtools.
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I tried MTCDTools, it doesn't seem to recognize any buttons press, so I guess the only way is to remove the CanBUS decoder and wire everything up, I guess I can still use wires for REVERSE and ILLUMINATION from the head unit to the Mazda radio harness?
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I tried MTCDTools, it doesn't seem to recognize any buttons press, so I guess the only way is to remove the CanBUS decoder and wire everything up, I guess I can still use wires for REVERSE and ILLUMINATION from the head unit to the Mazda radio harness?
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He reverse signal, at least on my cx5, is coded (no resistive) so I needed can bus for getting signal
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