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I have my Galaxy Note for 10 weeks and after using it always with 100% brightness there are aging effects.
Specially at blue backgrounds, but also at white and gray I can see the home screen icons, the clock and some buttons from jelly defense (I played jelly defense 3 weeks daily 2 hours) shining darker. (you can see it on the photo)
Now my Galaxy Note is in service for screen changing.
But what can I do in the future to avoid this aging effects? 80% brightness, 90% brightness?
Samsung didn't know this problems (I'll not believe it).
Has anyone practical experience with this problem?
Typically Blue pixels age the fastest. So pick a warm/red background. Avoid 100% brightness. Use auto if possible. Avoid leave screen on for prolonged period. Avoid static text or icon on the screen for too long. Basically the same care you would do to a Plasma TV except even the plasma TV screen(around 80,000 to 100,000 hrs) lasts 10 times longer than the AMOLED screen (estimated around 10,000 to 20,000 hrs).
Looks like you've discovered amoleds dirty little secret. I avoid pixel burnout by using launchers that auto hide the notification bar as well as browsers that allow you to hide the navigation bar such as opera. Opera let's you browse in fill screen mode.
I often refrain from using apps that show static images for long periods of time. I try to use the browser for everything that can be done through the regular Web portal of a site.
There is no way of getting around static images in apps unless the Dev accounts for it. Some devs are aware of amoled burn out and have options to hide navigation bars.
Ultimately you have to be mindful of static images and make sure to either avoid them on your screen for prolonged periods of time or remember to rotate your screen.
This is why I'm not looking forward to virtual buttons on ICS. It will destroy amoled screens for sure. Hopefully Samsung will retain physical button(s)
10 weeks is a pretty short life time, My friend's Nexus One (1yr++) does not have the very slightest hint of screen aging why my the galaxy S2 that I used for just 2 months already had the AM/PM burned in.
Its normal for OLED screens to age but it should not be this fast, this is probably why apple is not looking into OLED screens as the quality and or lifespan could be problematic.
There are some manufacturing defects. Some screens are just fade faster than others. But in general, if you know how to take good care of your screen, it will last a long time. My old Galaxy S lasted over a year without any noticeable burn-in. My new Galaxy S2 has been 4 months w/o any problem.
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There are some manufacturing defects. Some screens are just fade faster than others. But in general, if you know how to take good care of your screen, it will last a long time. My old Galaxy S lasted over a year without any noticeable burn-in. My new Galaxy S2 has been 4 months w/o any problem.
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like the part where you say "noticeable"
no matter how much you try to take care of it. It will happen. Its already there. (Depends to which degree)
My advice apart those ones about hiding the element that are always present.
Do not look for a screen burn in. Or do not look at the ****ty quality of the AMOLED. When you would look on for example on grey/ brown background easiest to spot when going to the marker you would notice the differences between the different parts of the screen. Its not perfectly even from the time its build. The color is displayed in different shades usually presenting itself in "lines".
Had my Note for 1 hour and I noticed it. Brand new.
But then again I know what to look for (proud owner of Galaxy S) and where to look for it.
I bought this device for the resolution and power. Not for the screen build quality
When I say 'noticeable', I meant to use screen test patterns. Last time I did that with my Galaxy S, I don't see any burn in with the test patterns at all. But I agree one should not purposfully sort after the burn in. It will always be there. But I also don't need live in panic. The great contrast of the screen (or infinite black) outweights any shortcomings it has. Side by side with an iPhone 4/4s, I simply can't stand the foggy looking screen of the LCD on iPhones. Every iPhone owners I encounter liked my SAMOLE screen better.
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But then again I know what to look for (proud owner of Galaxy S) and where to look for it.
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Hello fellow Galaxy S owner, This is the phone that brought up my standards and expectation for a SAMOLED device. I never saw any lines/uneven screen brightness and other garbage on my Galaxy S, even on greys. So this has brought up my expectation for a very high level which was crushed by the Galaxy Note's screen.
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I bought this device for the resolution and power. Not for the screen build quality
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Good for you, I bought the device as a while package with the top concern about screen build quality and as an HD playback device which it does not meet the purpose
Just a quick tip I picked up from someone else on this site (I forget now who it was, sorry). Change your clock from 12 to 24 hour every now and then (and visa versa), it shifts all the icons along a little
This is both an interesting and depressing post to find. I was so excited to order my International Note soon, but now I'm super paranoid about screen aging. I've read so much conflicting information about it online, I don't even know what to believe anymore.
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This is both an interesting and depressing post to find. I was so excited to order my International Note soon, but now I'm super paranoid about screen aging. I've read so much conflicting information about it online, I don't even know what to believe anymore.
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In terms of lifespan, LCDs still trump amoleds. That's a fact you'll have to live with.
No screen technology is perfect. SAMOLED for the moment has the problem that pixels decrease in brightness with ussage. So try to minimize the amount of light you get off the screen. That will also give you more battery life.
Try to use black backgrounds, and white text on black background if the application allows it. Of course if you spend 3 hours a day on a game with static icons and menus, that will wear some pixels more than others and you'll end up with something like the OP.
If you go looking for small variations of color, you're going to find them. But the superior brightness and contrast of a SAMOLED screen wins me over. Even when I know its effemeral and will degrade with time. But anyway, who keeps a phone more than 2 years?
Yeah, but I just found this information for the first time today, which is why I'm so depressed. I'm a digital artist so having a nice little on-the-go sketchpad has me super excited, but also worried because of the screen. Expansys tells me there's a 2 year warranty, but I don't know how that would work on an international phone if the screen goes bad...
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vcespon : Yeah, I normally keep the brightness on my Atrix down quite low anyways. The max brightness setting is *blindingly* bright. As for the 'who keeps a phone more then 2 years", I had my iphone 3gs for quite awhile thank you very much. That and if I spend 600-700 bucks on this baby I want it to last! If I get at the very least a year to a year and a half out of the screen I'll be somewhat happy, though closer to 2 would be better obviously. I wonder what the long-term outlook is for the life of these screens anyways. Does anyone know the mean-time-before-failure for them?
I would also try using black backgrounds or dark themes on as many apps as possible also. Like tapatalk or k9 for instance.
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I wonder what the long-term outlook is for the life of these screens anyways. Does anyone know the mean-time-before-failure for them?
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I think there are some references how long the pixels "live". You should google. Even though Samsung said that they used new materials to build the displays.
I can tell you one thing you get used to the inferior screen in time.(Few rants not and then) So I wouldn't worry about that. If it really fails you. Meaning someone else will notice something wrong on the screen no just you. Claim warranty
Also to pointing out. There is shor-term memory effect as well. I think I already posted some bad quality pics here about that from my SGS. > http://goo.gl/URYzm I do not remember if this is a burn it or just the memory effect. I think its the memory bla bla. Second pic is best.
Thanks for the information! I think I remembered someone saying that the short-term memory effect gets better over time as well. I'm mostly worried about the screen quality as I plan on doing a lot of sketching on it, which kind of sucks because it'll most likely be using a light-colored background then. :\ I wonder if the AT&T version will have the exact same screens or if they'll be a slightly updated version. I guess not considering AMOLED is still AMOLED.
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I think there are some references how long the pixels "live". You should google. Even though Samsung said that they used new materials to build the displays.
I can tell you one thing you get used to the inferior screen in time.(Few rants not and then) So I wouldn't worry about that. If it really fails you. Meaning someone else will notice something wrong on the screen no just you. Claim warranty
Also to pointing out. There is shor-term memory effect as well. I think I already posted some bad quality pics here about that from my SGS. > http://goo.gl/URYzm I do not remember if this is a burn it or just the memory effect. I think its the memory bla bla. Second pic is best.
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Thanks for the information! I think I remembered someone saying that the short-term memory effect gets better over time as well. I'm mostly worried about the screen quality as I plan on doing a lot of sketching on it, which kind of sucks because it'll most likely be using a light-colored background then. :\ I wonder if the AT&T version will have the exact same screens or if they'll be a slightly updated version. I guess not considering AMOLED is still AMOLED.
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You worry too much. And you do not even have that phone yet.
First of all not sure how its in your country, but here you can return in if you dont like it in a week I think.
Also if it becomes really apparent you really can go to a service center. I do not remember someone saying that samsung refused to change the screen.
Also I was ranting here already a year ago about the Galaxy S. I hate SAMOLED soo much since I got the SGS (18 months ago). I own an iPhone 4 and love retina and SLCD. And yet bought the Galaxy Note as well (despite the fact I knew how faulty it will be and how I will hate it )
Hey, I'm paranoid! I *really* get upset when I get a device that either isn't stable or has something wrong or defective about it. (Especially something that costs this much!) I'm in the US and am debating ordering through Expansys (USA), and I've heard they have I believe it was a 2 year warranty, but I have a feeling I'd have to send it to Expansys and have them take care of it if something went wrong. I can't see Samsung handling an international phone's repair in the US?
Aren't we strange with how we buy our gadgets? We know we will hate something and yet still buy it.
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Hey, I'm paranoid! I *really* get upset when I get a device that either isn't stable or has something wrong or defective about it. (Especially something that costs this much!) I'm in the US and am debating ordering through Expansys (USA), and I've heard they have I believe it was a 2 year warranty, but I have a feeling I'd have to send it to Expansys and have them take care of it if something went wrong. I can't see Samsung handling an international phone's repair in the US?
Aren't we strange with how we buy our gadgets? We know we will hate something and yet still buy it.
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All oled displays suffer from amoled burn out. Not much you can do.
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Try to use black backgrounds, and white text on black background if the application allows it.
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Here you can see my homescreen. There is already white text on black background.
But I can see the shadows of the big clock and all icons. The shadows are the white parts of the homescreen; for example the "S" of my S-Banking-App is very visible as a black shadow in all other apps with lighter background (Internet-Browser, ebook-Reader etc..).
And the homescreen is visible only for a few minutes, because when I want to use an app I directly start the app. I don't look so much time to the homescreen and my Galaxy Note goes after one minute in standby mode.
That means only 10 minutes/day homescreen with 100% brightness is enough to damage the screen visible after 10 weeks?
Okay, playing Jelly Defense 2 hours a day at 100% brightness is not so good, but the problem is not the time, because a few minutes looking to the homescreen has nearly the same aging effect.
As we all know HTC One cam with 3 types of screen
those are JDİ c_1, JDİ c_2 ans Sharp panel
it was kind of wierd that all new phones have in cell touch technology where touch sensor integrated in screen, advantages with that slimmer phone, brighter screen and less reflection.
HTC chose old fasion but issue with that especially on sharp panel digitiser visible and its whe you notice annoys you.
What am I supposed to be noticing here?
I think he's talking about those lines. Personally, i consider that a viewing angle issue.
As someone who returned his phone twice for aesthetic reasons, this one would not bother me.
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finalhit said:
I think he's talking about those lines. Personally, i consider that a viewing angle issue.
As someone who returned his phone twice for aesthetic reasons, this one would not bother me.
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If it is those lines, then it isn't a Sharp panel issue in particular, mine doesn't have this. Just checked.
Pointlol said:
If it is those lines, then it isn't a Sharp panel issue in particular, mine doesn't have this. Just checked.
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You need to angle it correctly with sunlight(only) to be able to see it. It won't show up on artificial lights.
Riyal said:
You need to angle it correctly with sunlight(only) to be able to see it. It won't show up on artificial lights.
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Thanks. Just tried this and it was INCREDIBLY hard to see the lines, but they were there. I couldn't even make out the screen anymore since I had to put it directly in the sun in a retarded angle. Would not have noticed this in a million years. Maybe it's worse on some screens, on mine it's a non issue
No lines with JDI_C2 panel
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Thanks. Just tried this and it was INCREDIBLY hard to see the lines, but they were there. I couldn't even make out the screen anymore since I had to put it directly in the sun in a retarded angle. Would not have noticed this in a million years. Maybe it's worse on some screens, on mine it's a non issue
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well mine is very noticible and alot are
This is a pointless thread adding negativity to a phone with probably the best screen in the market. I had both JDI and Sharp. It is visible in both, maybe Sharp a little more but i have already mentioned the benefits of this panel.
TRiBaL1981 said:
This is a pointless thread adding negativity to a phone with probably the best screen in the market. I had both JDI and Sharp. It is visible in both, maybe Sharp a little more but i have already mentioned the benefits of this panel.
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Hi, where have you mention benefits of this panel? can i see
thanks
For those having the issue, are these lines only visible when outdoors in bright light and holding the phone at an unusually sharp angle? Can you see the lines when viewing the phone from a normal angle? You can see where I'm going with this.
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For those having the issue, are these lines only visible when outdoors in bright light and holding the phone at an unusually sharp angle? Can you see the lines when viewing the phone from a normal angle? You can see where I'm going with this.
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its there mate and more than you say i live in very sunny place and its very noticable i have just exchanged it no visible lines on JDİ screen
cihanleanne said:
its there mate and more than you say i live in very sunny place and its very noticable i have just exchanged it no visible lines on JDİ screen
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I'm not pretty sure though... Mine is a samsung JDI screen and I can see the lines when phone is facing direct sunlight and looking in a 120 degree angle Anyways I don't use my phone like that and it's not a bother to me. Honestly I just noticed it 3 times since getting the phone.
You can see the lines clearly in the sunlight. Like you normally hold your phone, they go away if you angle it more towards yourself. They are a huge flaw. I have never seen any phone have this crap
I have owned
S2, s3, optimus g, Xperia s, HTC one x, lumia620
I can only see them when the screen is turned off, and holding the phone in a way no one uses their phone... And then it is barely noticeable. The One X had this as well.
My biggest issue, however, is that when I hold the phone at a certain angle and focus my eyes differently, I can see my reflection. I hope warranty covers the reflection issue :crying:
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mine is really bad i have jdi its normal but sharp was awful
Stop harassing People with honest complaints
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This is a pointless thread adding negativity to a phone with probably the best screen in the market. I had both JDI and Sharp. It is visible in both, maybe Sharp a little more but i have already mentioned the benefits of this panel.
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I too noticed lines and also noticed a small purple burn in image on my screen. My phone is less than a Month old and I have had plenty of high end phones that do not share the HTC ONEs screen problems that I have experienced thus far. The phone is great, and I do not feel people should be scared of other people who make sharp comments negating their honest views. I hate closed minds. I applaud everyone who expresses their individual problems with a device they paid top dollar for. Just because we highlight certain areas of a phone does not mean we are not credible in our complaints.
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You can see the lines clearly in the sunlight. Like you normally hold your phone, they go away if you angle it more towards yourself. They are a huge flaw. I have never seen any phone have this crap
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S2, s3, optimus g, Xperia s, HTC one x, lumia620
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I second this flaw. Don't let people tell you this is natural. Neither my iPhone or Galaxy S4 has showed these lines and if they did I would comment. I can also see mine at a correct viewing angle in outside sunlight. I should note I love my HTC ONe. I share no brand "fan boy" feelings.
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Hi, where have you mention benefits of this panel? can i see
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The benefits (since you asked):
1. Best brightness value
2. Best viewing angles
3. Most accurate color display/calibration
4. Highest pixel density (marginal, I know, but the numbers are what they are)
5. Most natural white temperature
All of these confirmed through various reviews/comparisons of current android phones. I can also personally attest to these through my own comparisons with numerous phones side by side. This does not include iphone 5 which is better still in most of these categories.
So the point made (and a very valid point I would say) was that if we have to deal with this insignificant "problem" to have a better display in most other senses, for me that's a no-brainer. No one in these threads seems to accept that yes, it's normal for this phone. Maybe that's not ideal for some for whatever reason and that's totally fair, lucky them there's other excellent phones to choose from. Everyone has their own priorities
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I've gone through 4 one's and 3/4 had that and my last one doesn't.
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I've gone through 4 one's and 3/4 had that and my last one doesn't.
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Hi i got my excahnge JDİ panel ts not visible unless extreme same as any phone only sharp panels have ths issue badly
onetongwa said:
I too noticed lines and also noticed a small purple burn in image on my screen. My phone is less than a Month old and I have had plenty of high end phones that do not share the HTC ONEs screen problems that I have experienced thus far. The phone is great, and I do not feel people should be scared of other people who make sharp comments negating their honest views. I hate closed minds. I applaud everyone who expresses their individual problems with a device they paid top dollar for. Just because we highlight certain areas of a phone does not mean we are not credible in our complaints.
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I second this flaw. Don't let people tell you this is natural. Neither my iPhone or Galaxy S4 has showed these lines and if they did I would comment. I can also see mine at a correct viewing angle in outside sunlight. I should note I love my HTC ONe. I share no brand "fan boy" feelings.
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Thank you but Galaxy S4 and phone 5 has integrated touch sensors. saying that i have my one x its not visible its issue comes with certain types
hello everyone (sorry about my bad english)
I bought Lg g2 d 802 (international), everything stock..not even rooted and the first unusual stuff I saw was "Content Adaptive Brightness"
but i get used to it now. The other thing i wanted to ask here is image persistence of isp screen.
I saw some tablets with ips screen suffering from this...also some samsung lcd Tv-s from 2008-9, and i found
it in my phone...when i surf internet, facebook for a couple of minutes (lets say 5+ minutes) and after that i enter
picture from my gallery that contanins medium gray color in bottom od full screen view i can see shadows from
dock sensor buttons (back, home & settings). shadows are temporary and disapear after few minutes, but as the main
buttons are always on you can see them in full screen of medium dark grey picture every time after usage of phone.
I love this phone, camera, battery, & other fast hw are simply amazing for multitask, and usage, but wanted to see if i'm
alone experiencing this with g2 or not?
all best
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hello everyone (sorry about my bad english)
I bought Lg g2 d 802 (international), everything stock..not even rooted and the first unusual stuff I saw was "Content Adaptive Brightness"
but i get used to it now. The other thing i wanted to ask here is image persistence of isp screen.
I saw some tablets with ips screen suffering from this...also some samsung lcd Tv-s from 2008-9, and i found
it in my phone...when i surf internet, facebook for a couple of minutes (lets say 5+ minutes) and after that i enter
picture from my gallery that contanins medium gray color in bottom od full screen view i can see shadows from
dock sensor buttons (back, home & settings). shadows are temporary and disapear after few minutes, but as the main
buttons are always on you can see them in full screen of medium dark grey picture every time after usage of phone.
I love this phone, camera, battery, & other fast hw are simply amazing for multitask, and usage, but wanted to see if i'm
alone experiencing this with g2 or not?
all best
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Does it fade out slowly when it disappears or does it just instantly go away after a while.
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it fade out slowly m8
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it fade out slowly m8
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I think our screen is not amoled so does not burn out
Really did not see this on LG , but definetky it was priblem for Razr i
LCDs too have burn-in, but they are far less susceptible to it than OLED displays.
I had several SAMOLED devices, now I have an IPS device... and in almost 5 years I never saw any burn-in whatsoever.
I know that OLED and old plasma screens are prone to burn in
And i have 4:3 samsung 710n tft monitor for 10 yeras without
Problems, but my question is about lazy pixels of IPS screen.
Can someone test g2 the way i described in my first post (10 minutes
screen sensor bar on, then enter gray picture in full screen)?
I'll put example when a reach desktop later.
Cheers
Wtf I just noticed my screen! I have image retention on navbar and status bar. It does not go away!
elitewhey said:
hello everyone (sorry about my bad english)
I bought Lg g2 d 802 (international), everything stock..not even rooted and the first unusual stuff I saw was "Content Adaptive Brightness"
but i get used to it now. The other thing i wanted to ask here is image persistence of isp screen.
I saw some tablets with ips screen suffering from this...also some samsung lcd Tv-s from 2008-9, and i found
it in my phone...when i surf internet, facebook for a couple of minutes (lets say 5+ minutes) and after that i enter
picture from my gallery that contanins medium gray color in bottom od full screen view i can see shadows from
dock sensor buttons (back, home & settings). shadows are temporary and disapear after few minutes, but as the main
buttons are always on you can see them in full screen of medium dark grey picture every time after usage of phone.
I love this phone, camera, battery, & other fast hw are simply amazing for multitask, and usage, but wanted to see if i'm
alone experiencing this with g2 or not?
all best
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I have this phone about 15 days, and i have the same problem. Can you resolve this ?
LCD displays are totally IMMUNE to burn in the same way AMOLED and CRT displays are completely vulnerable to it. This type of burn in us caused by phosphor wear over time. It just won't EVER happen on our G2s or any LCD display.
What you're referring to us called image retention and is a completely different. beast all together. If you notice thus occurring on your phone or TV, etc, then turn the display off for 24-48 hours and any retained images should be gone.
It's rather difficult to get a LCD display to do this unless you try (or game all day straight and the game has static elements in it) but none the less it happens. It's not a "G2" thing.
Very very rarely I hear stories where a LCD display has decided to permanently remember images and even keeping the display off didn't solve anything. I've never had a first hand account of this though so those people either probably mistook a fauly display for image retention, or it's an extremely rare occurance.
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Do you have a source for this information?
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Do you have a source for this information?
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I found this test
http://www.marco.org/rmbp-irtest.html
To view if you have IR or not. If i run the test for 5 minutes and switch to grey i can notice the image retention but dissapears with time. I cant see the image retention in normal use.
Any can run the test for 5 minutes, to compare please.
Plenty of sources. Google "image retention vs burn in LCD AMOLED) and you should get plenty of sources but here's one.
http://www.rtings.com/info/what-is-image-retention
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Here's a much more detailed article...
http://www.tweakguides.com/HDTV_8.html
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Plenty of sources. Google "image retention vs burn in LCD AMOLED) and you should get plenty of sources but here's one.
http://www.rtings.com/info/what-is-image-retention
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Here's a much more detailed article...
http://www.tweakguides.com/HDTV_8.html
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But its normal ??? I can only see if i search for them, idk if go to the warranty or keep it.
Yes it's normal. If the image doesn't fade out over time though it's not normal. Our screens are LCDs and this is common for all LCD displays, TVs included.
Plasma and OLED displays have it worse because the phosphor wear on these can be permemant. I used to play a certain game hours and hours each day on my old Galaxy Nexus which had an AMOLED display and I eventually had the menus permanently burned into the display.
Since our G2s use a LCD display though any image persistence we may encounter should fade away once the screen is off for a while. If it doesn't then no that's not normal. Most image retention issues should fade away in a few minutes, but rarely it may last up to a few hours to a few days.
Unless you keep your display on a static image though hours and hours on end, this shouldn't be an issue. If any retention doesn't fade away after having the display off for a while or if it commonly happens without having to try to make it happen then you might consider a warranty replacement.
There's a ton of information regarding this if you search on "screen burn in image retention oled lcd plasma" in Google.
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Yes it's normal. If the image doesn't fade out over time though it's not normal. Our screens are LCDs and this is common for all LCD displays, TVs included.
Plasma and OLED displays have it worse because the phosphor wear on these can be permemant. I used to play a certain game hours and hours each day on my old Galaxy Nexus which had an AMOLED display and I eventually had the menus permanently burned into the display.
Since our G2s use a LCD display though any image persistence we may encounter should fade away once the screen is off for a while. If it doesn't then no that's not normal. Most image retention issues should fade away in a few minutes, but rarely it may last up to a few hours to a few days.
Unless you keep your display on a static image though hours and hours on end, this shouldn't be an issue. If any retention doesn't fade away after having the display off for a while or if it commonly happens without having to try to make it happen then you might consider a warranty replacement.
There's a ton of information regarding this if you search on "screen burn in image retention oled lcd plasma" in Google.
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Thank you very much, yep mine´s fade away after 30 seconds.
You have image retention in your G2 ???
Only if I force the issue by doing things like leaving this web page,
http://link.tapatalk.com/api/click?...t.html&subId=c157297d1a1ff043255bfb18530caaa2, open for a while. It quickly fades away though. That's the only time I've ever noticed anything.
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Only if I force the issue by doing things like leaving this web page,
http://link.tapatalk.com/api/click?...t.html&subId=c157297d1a1ff043255bfb18530caaa2, open for a while. It quickly fades away though. That's the only time I've ever noticed anything.
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Yep Same Here, i think all LG G2 suffer from this problem.
Thank you.
Np ? All G2s,...all LCD devices. LCD tech kind of plateaud so manufacturer starting developing AMOLED displays. LG seems to have made great improvements though with their LCDs and I'm glad they chose this route as I prefer LCD to AMOLED any day.
AMOLEDs may evolve to the point where burn in isn't an issue, much like how LCD displays when first introduced suffered from ghosting that was so bad it wasn't even am option for anyone who games. With
today's LCDs ghosting, much like the real thing, kind of faded away into the VAST.
I guess in the end it all boils down to each person's individual tastes.
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Np ? All G2s,...all LCD devices. LCD tech kind of plateaud so manufacturer starting developing AMOLED displays. LG seems to have made great improvements though with their LCDs and I'm glad they chose this route as I prefer LCD to AMOLED any day.
AMOLEDs may evolve to the point where burn in isn't an issue, much like how LCD displays when first introduced suffered from ghosting that was so bad it wasn't even am option for anyone who games. With
today's LCDs ghosting, much like the real thing, kind of faded away into the VAST.
I guess in the end it all boils down to each person's individual tastes.
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But i have a LCD IPS LG MONITOR, and run the test about 10 minutes and i havent IR, i have a LCD IPS LG TV (LA6200) and i havent IR. I think not all LCD IPS have this problem :S
Yeah the IPS LG monitor is susceptible but just because it is doesn't mean you'll ever see it happen. People in the Apple forums are always asking about why their Safari url bar remains once the app is closed. These people must be on Safari all day every day lol.
Most often you'll see it on displays in places that keep a TV running all the time with like CNN running (restaurants, display units in stores, etc) . Just because it can happen doesn't mean it will. It's something I never worry about while using LCD displays
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The has a crazy crisp display. Just kidding, this is automated text so who knows if this screen is any good. So, you be the judge! A higher rating indicates that it's extremely sharp and clear, and that you cannot see pixels with your naked eye.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
First impressions of my 4 XL is the screen is yellow and warm face on, cloudy white, not impressed with the screen so I'm contacting Google today, the text on my 2 XL is clearer, the last thing I expected with the 4s was dodgy screens.
The color on mine was fine. I wonder if there are manufacturing defects with the 4XL that were present when the 2XL came out.
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The color on mine was fine. I wonder if there are manufacturing defects with the 4XL that were present when the 2XL came out.
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It's looking like that, mines warm, I prefer the cool look and seeing as Google doesn't put anything in their software to adjust coolness or warmness I'm not liking it, is yours pure white face on? Does it go any whiter when tilted backwards about 30 degrees?
Got a replacement coming 25-28th now, I'll see how that is.
Mine is very nice, it's crisp and vibrant. Surprisingly it looks better than my Note 10 plus.
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Mine is very nice, it's crisp and vibrant. Surprisingly it looks better than my Note 10 plus.
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You got a good one then nice, i had this problem with the 2 xl and almost gave up until i received this one i have in my hand, hard to compare with photos online because cameras are poor at white balance anyway when taking shots of other phones but in hand it's worse than my 2 xl which is surprising, my guess is Samsung is cherry picking displays for themselves first,
Just curious, but what color did y'all that are having problems, receive? Shouldn't make a difference,but that's the only reason I could see reviewers not mentioning it, as most of them got the orange one. Maybe it's coincidence, maybe not. But I thought I would out that out there
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You got a good one then nice, i had this problem with the 2 xl and almost gave up until i received this one i have in my hand, hard to compare with photos online because cameras are poor at white balance anyway when taking shots of other phones but in hand it's worse than my 2 xl which is surprising, my guess is Samsung is cherry picking displays for themselves first,
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I really hope you get a better replacement because I'm real happy with mine. I was finally able to test it in direct bright sunlight and it was fine there too. Yes Samsung is brighter but I didn't have a problem reading the screen like the 2XL's and 3xl's I had. The 2xl was the worst out of the two but the 3xl was worse in direct sunlight for me. I wish you the best on your replacement and it sucks you have to go through that.
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I really hope you get a better replacement because I'm real happy with mine. I was finally able to test it in direct bright sunlight and it was fine there too. Yes Samsung is brighter but I didn't have a problem reading the screen like the 2XL's and 3xl's I had. The 2xl was the worst out of the two but the 3xl was worse in direct sunlight for me. I wish you the best on your replacement and it sucks you have to go through that.
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Glad your happy with it, this yellow is not something i can live with unless the manufacturer puts in settings and configuration to suit everyone, when i look at my tv then look at the phone I'm about to ship back I'm disappointed, I've noticed this white looks slightly better in bright light but in a duller environment the yellow shows it's rear ugly head, will see what happens in a few days when i get the replacement if that's the same must be how they've calibrated the screen this time, enjoy yours ?
Any oled can be varying temp etc
I just want to be rid of the black smearing in low brightness on my Pixel 2 XL. Should be arriving tomorrow!
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Just curious, but what color did y'all that are having problems, receive? Shouldn't make a difference,but that's the only reason I could see reviewers not mentioning it, as most of them got the orange one. Maybe it's coincidence, maybe not. But I thought I would out that out there
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Yeah mine is black which is warm, a replacement has been sent out for tomorrow so I'll see what that's like if that's the same or worse I may change colour just to see.
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This is what I've been reading about oled the last few days, there's just no consistency, considering how long oled has been out now it's shocking to be honest, if I bought a red ferrari and it was delivered light red I'd be pissed, should not be happening in this day an age, to be honest I'm beginning to think QC is just not there with Google, I've had Google phones since the Nexus 5 and never had issues with screens until the pixel 2 XL, no surprise since everything changed to oled, apparently it's a big issue with oled TVs too, read some bits some people have to watch their TV at a 70 degree angle to get pure white, it's just shocking.
Brightness sucks
If i return this phone (Pixel 4 XL) it will be because of the extremely poor brightness on this screen (i probably will return). The Oneplus 7t is better than this phones screen and cost $400 less. That's just pitiful.
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If i return this phone (Pixel 4 XL) it will be because of the extremely poor brightness on this screen (i probably will return). The Oneplus 7t is better than this phones screen and cost $400 less. That's just pitiful.
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What's wrong with the brightness? Washed out when it's too high?
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What's wrong with the brightness? Washed out when it's too high?
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I'd have to keep it on 100% brightness a lot of the time to get it where i want, with the Oneplus 7t and iphones, samsung galaxy - don't have to do that. Its just really low, and I think it's something with the way Google set it up that they could fix with software, but probably won't. Either way not paying $1000 dollars for this.
Absolutely no issues with the display. Will be testing it more extensively outside in the bright Sun.
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Absolutely no issues with the display. Will be testing it more extensively outside in the bright Sun.
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No problems in the bright sun for me either. I tested mine on my morning walk and throughout the day with no issues reading the screen. This was a concern to me because the 3XL was terrible in the bright sun and I ended up returning it because of that. No, the 4XL isn't the brightest but it works fine. I've been testing it out along with a Note 10 + since yesterday and the Note is going back.
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I'd have to keep it on 100% brightness a lot of the time to get it where i want, with the Oneplus 7t and iphones, samsung galaxy - don't have to do that. Its just really low, and I think it's something with the way Google set it up that they could fix with software, but probably won't. Either way not paying $1000 dollars for this.
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Yeah google ****ed that up in a update to android a while ago, mines 95% used to be around 60 ish, why they ****ed about with that is anyones guess.
But yeah OLED screens are a lottery, you either get lucky or the fact is probably a lot are actually yellow but a lot op peoples brains can't register or see it and they think it is white and they have no issues, See here on this link, more people actually voted there is tint issues than not.
https://www.avforums.com/threads/oled-yellow-red-tint.2119862/
Also Google uses LG oled screens, they are notorious for tinting problems in their oled tv's too, Don't know what the screen is the 4 or 4 XL but mine is ****e, luckily a replacement will be here tomorrow and if there is a big difference it will just go to show how poor either oled screens are or googles quality control is non existent, i read somewhere on a review on the 4xl screens (can't remember where now) and he says every single pixel 4 screen is calibrated at a factory, for a start that's absolute bull****, even expensive tv's are not calibrated individually, it takes way too much time so the fact there is so much variance in oled tells you where the problem is.
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Yeah google ****ed that up in a update to android a while ago, mines 95% used to be around 60 ish, why they ****ed about with that is anyones guess.
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The slider adjustment was to make the increments more linear. Before, 50% on the slider was more than 50% of what a screen's brightness was actually capable off. So the difference between 0-50% was greater than 51-100%.
That being said, the dimmer than iPhone and Samsung's screens has nothing to do with it. The Pixel 4 is rated around 444 nits while iPhone's and Samsung's can hit 800 and 1000+ respectively.
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I owned almost every Galaxy S device from the last 10 years but some stood out in a negative way...
The S8 had display uniformity issues and my 3rd one was kinda ok so I kept it. The S9 and S10 were flawless display wise but the S20... Oh boy.
I'm on my 4th(!) S20+ now and I guess it will be my last because I return it and keep my S10.
The display is uniform as hell. Brighter at the top, darker at the left and bottom left and when 120hz is enabled it's reddish as hell. With 60hz it's ok with higher brightness but with lower brightness it's a mess.
As seen on my pic.
I don't get it why reviewers don't talk about that.
Shame on you Samsung.
So because u have a little bit of a red tint at the lowest brightness its the worst amoled panel? I dont think anyone uses the panel like your example. I have the same problem but guess what in EVERYDAY NORMAL use i do not see it ....at all. Sure if testing for it then yea. Enjoy your s20 there worst things to cry about especially in these times.
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So because u have a little bit of a red tint at the lowest brightness its the worst amoled panel? I dont think anyone uses the panel like your example. I have the same problem but guess what in EVERYDAY NORMAL use i do not see it ....at all. Sure if testing for it then yea. Enjoy your s20 there worst things to cry about especially in these times.
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Not just with lowest brightness. Even with low brightness and because dark mode has so much gray backgrounds it just looks bad. If it was at least the whole display but it's just the left and bottom left side of the display.
This isn't a 50€ device. I paid 900€ for it.
I haven't got any issue AT ALL with my panel. This is just isolated cases and most people don't have the problems you're showing here
However I've seen a lot of people having green tint issues with their S20
Also stating that it is the worse panel of the S branch while you just checked it on only one model...
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I haven't got any issue AT ALL with my panel. This is just isolated cases and most people don't have the problems you're showing here
However I've seen a lot of people having green tint issues with their S20
Also stating that it is the worse panel of the S branch while you just checked it on only one model...
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Did you read what I wrote? I had a S2, S4, S5, S7, S8, S9, S9+, S10+ and had 4 different S20+ (3 Exynos and one Snapdragon) and every one of these 4 had these Display issues.
People like you should not get new phones you break it before time is.
I dont have any issues with the phones i have at all, and btw you are lucky it is only 900€ i pay almost twice that cause of taxes.
Lottery oled panel like it is every year. The worse oled panel goes to the OnePlus 8 pro
It is the same for me, the panels are a mess. I am on my sixth device (I never ever changed out a device, always thought people who do are nuts).
This is the sixth device. All 5 before were simply a mess. They had bad uniformity and green tints at 120Hz. It was unacceptable for 1550€ phones.
I am glad, if one does not have that or does not notice it, but it is simply there and I was not really nitpicky about it, it was instantly and clearly visible when using the devices in dark environments.
Device number 6 is made in Korea and almost flawless, uniformity wise, at an acceptable level. The 5 before were not, simply.
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PS: S9 and S10 were flawless, even my S8 was ok. But the S20 panels are a mess from what I saw.
Just checked, but on my s20 ultra at 120hz at lowest brightness i see not change in color anywhere.
I just checked my S20 Ultra Exynos, made in Vietnam. No uneven colours or brightness at both 120Hz and 60Hz.
Good for you guys The one I am having NOW is fine as well Number 6.
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It is the same for me, the panels are a mess. I am on my sixth device (I never ever changed out a device, always thought people who do are nuts).
This is the sixth device. All 5 before were simply a mess. They had bad uniformity and green tints at 120Hz. It was unacceptable for 1550€ phones.
I am glad, if one does not have that or does not notice it, but it is simply there and I was not really nitpicky about it, it was instantly and clearly visible when using the devices in dark environments.
Device number 6 is made in Korea and almost flawless, uniformity wise, at an acceptable level. The 5 before were not, simply.
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PS: S9 and S10 were flawless, even my S8 was ok. But the S20 panels are a mess from what I saw.
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S20 + or Ultra ?
S20 ultra HK version (SD865) and no issues here - the screen is awesome!
Displaymate seem to think the same - its also awesome
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S20_ShootOut_1U.htm
Obviously they hand-hand-hand picked the display / unit sending out to displaymate...
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S20 + or Ultra ?
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Had one awful Ultra and then 3 bad, 1 not too bad and 1 great plus. Took me 6 devices not to get angry every evening noticing the awful display.
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Good for you guys The one I am having NOW is fine as well Number 6.
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LOL, the return department must love you!
I only checked them and did not remove anything - it is by law that you are allowed to check 'like in a store'.
And really, why should I put up with a defect display for 1550€ (ultra) or 1250€ (plus)? That is 1717USD...
Same here in my Exynos regular S20, not terrible but not ideal, and much more noticeable at 120hz. I think the push to 120hz has meant in some ways were worse off. Think about it, we're using first gen 120hz OLED displays instead of very mature tech in 60hz displays like the one on the S10 where more of the kinks have been ironed out.
But...I could easily be wrong also!
S20 Ultra here too, and i dont see any issues whatsoever.
And just for general information i owned a Huawei Mate 20 Pro for a brief period, with some app backgrounds, there was uniformity issues with solid colours, however i did find it was being caused by some kind of app and wasn't the actual screen. From memory after playing a YouTube video it would stuff up. You will probably find chatter about that in that forum here.
This feels like a TV forum, where they get grey cards out desperate to find faults that no human can see under normal viewing conditions, whats the point?
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This feels like a TV forum, where they get grey cards out desperate to find faults that no human can see under normal viewing conditions, whats the point?
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Because the phones are expensive as hell.