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Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Sony Xperia XZ1 Compact come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
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Very grainy
My 2016 samsung a3 had much better quality
VHollund said:
Very grainy
My 2016 samsung a3 had much better quality
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I compared with samsung A7 2017 and xz1c better
I'd like to see that
I could catch great detail with a fair amount of finesse with the A3
VHollund said:
Very grainy
My 2016 samsung a3 had much better quality
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VHollund said:
I'd like to see that
I could catch great detail with a fair amount of finesse with the A3
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1. stock (iso 400 1\17) A7 2. snapcamera xz1c ( iso 846 1\50) 3. stock xz1c (iso 800 1\50)
All auto
For me, XZ1 Compact is good enough
XZ1 Compact Snaps
i have attached pics taken using xz1 compact in google photos for reference.
i liked xz1 compact pics.
for me, its not the camera but the person who is using it. in right hands xz1 compact is as good as any mobiles in the market....but not in the pixel range:angel:
What i notice is that it works well in broad
daylight and for macro to medium pictures
For close ups of flowes and insects the @
A3 was very crisp where the xz1 c seems to have a smaller focal point and tend to blur out more and correct artifacts badly
The A3 is lower resolution but it corrects noise much better
Just compare it
VHollund said:
What i notice is that it works well in broad
daylight and for macro to medium pictures
For close ups of flowes and insects the @
A3 was very crisp where the xz1 c seems to have a smaller focal point and tend to blur out more and correct artifacts badly
The A3 is lower resolution but it corrects noise much better
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why dont you just post pictures comparing both mobiles... as far as picture quality concern, i liked xz1 compact pics. it doesn't like shaken hands, especially in low light. but pics with steady hands comparable or better than iphone 7.
Nelson George said:
why dont you just post pictures comparing both mobiles... as far as picture quality concern, i liked xz1 compact pics. it doesn't like shaken hands, especially in low light. but pics with steady hands comparable or better than iphone 7.
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The reason that I bought the XZ1 C is that the screen of the A3 broke
But I have a ton of photos
VHollund said:
The reason that I bought the XZ1 C is that the screen of the A3 broke
But I have a ton of photos
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Check out the detail in the butterfly
Little noticeable artifacts despite only 13mp
still confused !!!
VHollund said:
Check out the detail in the butterfly
Little noticeable artifacts despite only 13mp
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i dont know which is from which.
some of them looks like out of focus.
every phone camera is different, some of them good for macro, some for landscape. adopt to them will give better results.
as i told above xz1 compact needs steady hand & its good for daylight landscape better than macro. but with patience, it can take very good macro too. most of my pics are macros. its about how to take the pics.
If the xz1c is better shouldn't you be able to tell the difference?
The xz1c is best for macro and medium it seems
I will test some more and report back
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If the xz1c is better shouldn't you be able to tell the difference?
The xz1c is best for macro and medium it seems
I will test some more and report back
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i've uploaded two photos. can you tell me which phone's i used, to capture those shots ???
if you have good camera, doesn't mean it will capture picture perfectly always. its depend upon the user who use that camera.
I'm guessing the first is XZ1 C and the second a samsung or something pro ?
might also both be same camera since the first is very out of focus and the second is filtered
All my photos were taken with an A3 2016
The first photo with dim light and sharp contours, i would dare say, is impossible to achieve with xz1c because of blurr
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I'm guessing the first is XZ1 C and the second a samsung or something pro ?
might also both be same camera since the first is very out of focus and the second is filtered
All my photos were taken with an A3 2016
The first photo with dim light and sharp contours, i would dare say, is impossible to achieve with xz1c because of blurr
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Those two pictures captured by Galaxy Nexus, which released in 2011. bad camera in a flagship in 2011.
No filters used.
one in daylight(my first try), another in evening with handheld flashlight(nearly after 100 pics during that day).
all i can say is learn to use, what you have.
xz1 compact is not good for moving/shaking hands especially in dark:fingers-crossed:
A good tool is half the work done
100 takes to catch one good is not learning to use as much as it is adapting to a bad tool really
And wasting much time doing so
It's not shaking hands that make the photos blurred
Put it on a stand and you'll see the same noise
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A good tool is half the work done
100 takes to catch one good is not learning to use as much as it is adapting to a bad tool really
And wasting much time doing so
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you dont understand what i'm saying at all.
i never said all my 100 shots are for learning. that was my very first try in smartphone photography in early 2014.
i only shot when i like to capture something impress me.
i only took couple of shots(max 10) in any mobile i used previously...galaxy nexus, moto x1, 1+1, z5 compact, pixel and xz1 compact.
xz1 has manual controls like manual iso, shutter speed, focus. have you tried anything with that ?
everybody who owns z5, xz, xz1 series knows that xz1 is not good for low light photography.
if you want perfect all-rounder camera, then this is not the place for it.
go for google pixel/iphone/s8,9...:cyclops:
I don't think "everybody" who just bought or are about to buy a xz1c know.
I have merely shared my observations of weaknesses of this camera compared to what in a appearance should have been an outdated lower quality
Besides the A3 (2016) can be difficult to get on target/ focus on a closeup, most of the pictures have been taken very quickly, and with great result
If I want to fiddle around for 5 minutes for each shot i'll buy a proffesional camera with mirrors and sh**
But when I'm trekking through the french alps, I just want it to take 5 seconds and move on
Fail is fail
Nothing is won by making excuses for it
And nothing is won for me if I continue this conversation any further
You bought a phone. Joining a cult will not make it better than it is.
I think the issue with the xz1 Compact camera is the actual plastic lens. I have an older xz1c and a brand new one. The brand news ones photos are razor sharp. I think that happens is the lens material scuffs, trying to remove finger prints scuffs it more, eventually it because kinda foggy - and no matter how much you polish the lens - the problem becomes worse. The full size XZ1's camera is awesome - but I think that has a glass lens.
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I think the issue with the xz1 Compact camera is the actual plastic lens. I have an older xz1c and a brand new one. The brand news ones photos are razor sharp. I think that happens is the lens material scuffs, trying to remove finger prints scuffs it more, eventually it because kinda foggy - and no matter how much you polish the lens - the problem becomes worse. The full size XZ1's camera is awesome - but I think that has a glass lens.
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XZ1C does not have plastic lens, but they do get dirt in the way pretty easy.
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Xiaomi Mi A2 Lite come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Hello, I'm creating an account in order to give my real-life review of this phone. The previous phones I had were HTC One M8, LG G6.
To my eyes, camera quality is very good. I enjoy the portrait mode.
Obviously, it can't compare to a shot taken with a Pixel 3.
I would say that it takes pictures as good as the LG G6 I had before.
For an everyday user, nothing to complain about.
I very rarely take pictures with this phone, though and I probably have taken only one or two pictures with the front facing camera.
For the price, nothing to complain about.
Camera is just shockingly bad. I can`t get my head around how on earth its so crap, even in daytime. Pictures seems to be like on 10 year old smartphone.
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Camera is just shockingly bad. I can`t get my head around how on earth its so crap, even in daytime. Pictures seems to be like on 10 year old smartphone.
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Are you using Gcam?
What is gcam? I`m using stock, whats built in the phone.
I also believe the camera quality is shockingly bad!
saggel said:
I also believe the camera quality is shockingly bad!
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Dito that! With or without GCAM my old Moto G4 did far better pictures.
Very disappointed with this phone camera...
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I also believe the camera quality is shockingly bad!
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You are totally wrong, the camera itself is very good, the apps you have used are bad. Learn to make a distinction between the hardware and software. I'm not gonna advise on this or that app but I've tested the camera itself for possibilities and they are there. It also depends a lot on what you think a good camera is, of course. I'm sure a lot of people are gonna be flamed but trust me, I'm a photographer and I can tell good hardware, one of the reasons I bought this phone. Sorry for the intermezzo.
Celrau,
I`m comparing to Galaxy s8. A2 has crap camera. Advise me on decent app then please.
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Celrau,
I`m comparing to Galaxy s8. A2 has crap camera. Advise me on decent app then please.
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Oh boy... So you're comparing a flagship S8 to a budget A2 and expecting A2 to win that contest? Seriously?
That's partially why A2 is 3-4x cheaper, don't you think?
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Oh boy... So you're comparing a flagship S8 to a budget A2 and expecting A2 to win that contest? Seriously?
That's partially why A2 is 3-4x cheaper, don't you think?
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S8 probably has the same or similar Sony sensor so the raw material is about the same, it's the app that makes pictures look "pretty" to some. Basically those apps reinvent reality. I found Xiaomi camera app to be pretty good by comparison to others. If people want quality pictures they should learn to post-process them, even the most expansive cameras don't do "picture-perfect" and all pros do post-processing to enhance whatever they see fit. Get SnapSeed, it's excellent, free and can really enhance pictures. It's not gonna make you look young and beautiful but it can bring out that punch and the satisfaction that you actually contributed to having a good photo.
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S8 probably has the same or similar Sony sensor so the raw material is about the same
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Yeah, probably. Except it doesn't. S8 has Samsung S5K2L2 camera module.
Besides, Sony offers more than one sensor...
But why are we even discussing this in depth? Do you expect Fiat to have so refined interior as Mercedes has? Come on...
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If people want quality pictures they should learn to post-process them, even the most expansive cameras don't do "picture-perfect" and all pros do post-processing to enhance whatever they see fit. Get SnapSeed, it's excellent, free and can really enhance pictures.
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Are you for real, man?
You want casual amateur photographers to work on pictures like pros? People expect acceptable quality out of the box. Casual photographers don't even know what gcam is, I assure you. No offense, man but you need to get out of your cave (xda) once in a while
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The stock camera is pretty **** to be honest. The magic does gcam. It's like a blast and the pictures are so much better. I'd be very unhappy with the stock camera itself but try out gcam. Insane difference
MI A2 Lite camera is very bad. I'm very disappointed.
Camera is definitely not the strongest on A2L, and if you actually do care for quality cameras I suggest you to avoid buying A2L.
If you're like me and simply are a tech enthusiast I say you go for it, it's extremely easy to root and you get the best of both worlds: MiFlashTool support and an easy-to-unlock bootloader (since it has Android One, you don't have to apply for bootloader unlock).
Overall, if you're looking for a good camera, don't buy this phone. The reason why this phone has great specs for its price is because they put an average camera, it does it's job but it's no biggy.
I got a Mi A2 Lite to replace my crushed Galaxy S4. The camera is decent for daily non-professional needs. Yet, I am using it to document important office and family events. In broad daylight photos are sharp and detailed. However, in low-light particularly at night time, one should not expect lesser details and instead a soft image and it can be noisy. Yet, there is a low-light scene settings as a remedy for this, which I assume a digital enhancement (photo stacking?). In well-lit environment (i.e. outdoor or high lumen lighting), I found both portrait mode and the selfies are acceptable for prints. For the 1080p video, as a replacement of my S4, it is excellent in term of the additional (gyro?) stabilisation feature, which I always set on; and the natural contrast and ton . Someone said that you can crank it up to 4K resolution with a particular app. Back on photos again, the auto-focus is excellent in well-lit environment, however; if you keen on taking photos of moving objects like children or pets; sometimes it is not reliable.
rbs_uk said:
Celrau,
I`m comparing to Galaxy s8. A2 has crap camera. Advise me on decent app then please.
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Jesus dude comparing th S8 with the A2 lite is like comparing an Audi A3 with an Audi R8 , damn.
According to my tests, It's better for a daylight and extremely bright environment (especially at noon) yet it's not good at low-light environment. The 'bokeh' effect is also there (if desired), but not that deep. Note that I'm still using stock and no modifications made for my test.
And I'm not expecting for 'greater' camera for this device considering with the price range it offers. And yet there are other phones within this device's price range that can take photos even worse.
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And I'm not expecting for 'greater' camera for this device considering with the price range it offers. And yet there are other phones within this device's price range that can take photos even worse.
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Neither do I, but there are budget phones which can do much better pictures, my old Moto G4 for example.
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Sony Xperia 5 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Having this phone along with Pixel 4, I can say that X5 photo quality is mixed bag. The most frustrating thing is "ghost imaging" of moving objects, not even a fast ones. Color accuracy is pretty good. Camera app itself still needs some work. It's not convenient to use and it's considerably slower that Pixel 4 one. Focusing system could be better too.
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Having this phone along with Pixel 4, I can say that X5 photo quality is mixed bag. The most frustrating thing is "ghost imaging" of moving objects, not even a fast ones. Color accuracy is pretty good. Camera app itself still needs some work. It's not convenient to use and it's considerably slower that Pixel 4 one. Focusing system could be better too.
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On Manual Mode the phone is unbeatable.
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On Manual Mode the phone is unbeatable.
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Unfortunately it's not true. I wish it was true but it's definitely not. I played a lot with manual mode on Xperia 5. I does produce very good, with plenty of details, true to life colours, "Pixel grade" photos in good light condition. Any other conditions different from ideal and Xperia photos start to fall apart. Making pictures of the moving objects in light conditions just a bit different from ideal is a failure as well. I'm getting "ghost", "double" images of my kids nearly all the time. That's not acceptable for flagship camera-phone. The same thing happen when you make photos in the late evening or night. It's pretty much impossible to use Xperia 5 in this conditions without tripod. Sony just unable to compensate even a very minimal hand shake where as it's not a problem for Pixel or flagship Huawei devices. So I took a lot of photos from Pixel 4 and Xperia 5 in the same conditions for comparison to choose the best one to keep. I took a month for me to make the final decision. So I decided to keep Pixel 4 just for much better camera system. I'll give a chance to Xperia 5 Plus this year though.
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Unfortunately it's not true. I wish it was true but it's definitely not. I played a lot with manual mode on Xperia 5. I does produce very good, with plenty of details, true to life colours, "Pixel grade" photos in good light condition. Any other conditions different from ideal and Xperia photos start to fall apart. Making pictures of the moving objects in light conditions just a bit different from ideal is a failure as well. I'm getting "ghost", "double" images of my kids nearly all the time. That's not acceptable for flagship camera-phone. The same thing happen when you make photos in the late evening or night. It's pretty much impossible to use Xperia 5 in this conditions without tripod. Sony just unable to compensate even a very minimal hand shake where as it's not a problem for Pixel or flagship Huawei devices. So I took a lot of photos from Pixel 4 and Xperia 5 in the same conditions for comparison to choose the best one to keep. I took a month for me to make the final decision. So I decided to keep Pixel 4 just for much better camera system. I'll give a chance to Xperia 5 Plus this year though.
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That means you have no clue about manual mode. I get all I want. You just have to use ISO and shutter speed and all that stuff correctly. That's it. It's obvious for any person knowing anything about photogtaphy....
I don't have any ghosting. Any. Sorry. And the Android 10 update makes things even better. Just yesterday had a chance to make some pics in difficult conditions and it worked great.
https://flic.kr/p/2io5e3E
https://flic.kr/p/2io2KfM
I don't need to have a clue about manual mode. Xperia 5 is not DSLR camera, you know. The main purpose of any flagship smartphone, camera-phone in particular, is ability to make perfect shots at any time as fast as possible without playing with manual mode. Manual mode is just a good addition (for geeks), nothing more. Mediocre auto mode isn't forgivable thing for such expensive device. Kids don't allow to tinker with manual mode - they simply won't wait. And I don't like to miss a moment. I can give you samples with "ghost" images if you like. Certainly Xperia 5 isn't up for competition right now and I have doubts that Sony Alpha team took any part in Xperia 1 / 5 development. They have a beer together, I guess . That's a main contribution.
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In addition, Xperia 5 app launch speed is ridiculously slow compared to all phones I had for the last 2 years. Focusing system is disappointing as well. Quite often it just misses and too many times I came across the problem of inability to focus on places / objects which was not a problem Pixel 4. That's not good either.
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I don't need to have a clue about manual mode. Xperia 5 is not DSLR camera, you know. The main purpose of any flagship smartphone, camera-phone in particular, is ability to make perfect shots at any time as fast as possible without playing with manual mode. Manual mode is just a good addition (for geeks), nothing more. Mediocre auto mode isn't forgivable thing for such expensive device. Kids don't allow to tinker with manual mode - they simply won't wait. And I don't like to miss a moment. I can give you samples with "ghost" images if you like. Certainly Xperia 5 isn't up for competition right now and I have doubts that Sony Alpha team took any part in Xperia 1 / 5 development. They have a beer together, I guess . That's a main contribution.
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In addition, Xperia 5 app launch speed is ridiculously slow compared to all phones I had for the last 2 years. Focusing system is disappointing as well. Quite often it just misses and too many times I came across the problem of inability to focus on places / objects which was not a problem Pixel 4. That's not good either.
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Wrong. Manual mode is exactly to be used consciously. If you want effect you think before you do it. That's why it's MANUAL. And than why do you want to make photos if you don't care about basics? I think it's just plain ingnorace. Than why do you even bother writing on forums. Learn something, and than discuss - don't expect your ignorance will be seen as a good thing.
Another silly thing - yes, phone cameras are semi pro, for some years. And if they're not, again - why do you expect any good results from it?
Let's face it, you need an idiot camera, than buy Pixel. Leave the best for those who can actually use it.
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Wrong. Manual mode is exactly to be used consciously. If you want effect you think before you do it. That's why it's MANUAL. And than why do you want to make photos if you don't care about basics? I think it's just plain ingnorace. Than why do you even bother writing on forums. Learn something, and than discuss - don't expect your ignorance will be seen as a good thing.
Another silly thing - yes, phone cameras are semi pro, for some years. And if they're not, again - why do you expect any good results from it?
Let's face it, you need an idiot camera, than buy Pixel. Leave the best for those who can actually use it.
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I think you completely forgot what are you talking about - what really is a tiny camera on a dinky phone (whatever good and powerful it is) and what's the primary purpose of it. And you're calling the best smartphone camera on the market for quite a while by now (not just my personal opinion by the way) - Google Pixel camera - an idiotic one?! That is complete ignorance and nonsense! You certainly never had a Pixel phone. That's explains everything.
Please find attached one of my Xperia 5 photo. It's an epic failure indeed, man. An it's not just a one-off shot. Can't remember that I saw anything like that coming from flagship smartphone camera.
Good luck with your "advanced, for professionals only" Xperia ). Cheers!
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I think you completely forgot what are you talking about - what really is a tiny camera on a dinky phone (whatever good and powerful it is) and what's the primary purpose of it. And you're calling the best smartphone camera on the market for quite a while by now (not just my personal opinion by the way) - Google Pixel camera - an idiotic one?! That is complete ignorance and nonsense! You certainly never had a Pixel phone. That's explains everything.
Please find attached one of my Xperia 5 photo. It's an epic failure indeed, man. An it's not just a one-off shot. Can't remember that I saw anything like that coming from flagship smartphone camera.
Good luck with your "advanced, for professionals only" Xperia ). Cheers!
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Oh, I forgot to mention Xperia 5 complete inability to handle lens flares which was the issue for me not just once, very limited HDR mode and ... inability to shoot in RAW ("Idiotic" Pixel does have RAW!). Last one Sony's omission is laughable for "professional grade, Sony Alpha team tuned" flagship smartphone camera to say at least! And once again, Xperia focusing system is just horrible (maybe perfect for you though if you're not familiar with others). This is my final 2 cents. Cheers
WarVic said:
I think you completely forgot what are you talking about - what really is a tiny camera on a dinky phone (whatever good and powerful it is) and what's the primary purpose of it. And you're calling the best smartphone camera on the market for quite a while by now (not just my personal opinion by the way) - Google Pixel camera - an idiotic one?! That is complete ignorance and nonsense! You certainly never had a Pixel phone. That's explains everything.
Please find attached one of my Xperia 5 photo. It's an epic failure indeed, man. An it's not just a one-off shot. Can't remember that I saw anything like that coming from flagship smartphone camera.
Good luck with your "advanced, for professionals only" Xperia ). Cheers!
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Well, it's good to be able to understand things you comment. I didn't say Google is an idiotic camera, I just said you need an idiots camera - camera which does anything for you, you just press the shutter.
Google is known for its Auto Mode. But as compared with any phone with manual controls, it fails. There are tons of real life comparisons on YouTube to prove that. But to know that you have to understand anything about photography, which you don't. Which you prove again with your arguments - first about the tiny camera and than about RAW. It's obvious none of these opinions are yours actually.
Now, about the photo you enclosed - maybe your phone is broken, I don't know. Never seen anything like that, and I was never able to fail like this although I've made thousands of photos.
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Well, it's good to be able to understand things you comment. I didn't say Google is an idiotic camera, I just said you need an idiots camera - camera which does anything for you, you just press the shutter.
Google is known for its Auto Mode. But as compared with any phone with manual controls, it fails. There are tons of real life comparisons on YouTube to prove that. But to know that you have to understand anything about photography, which you don't. Which you prove again with your arguments - first about the tiny camera and than about RAW. It's obvious none of these opinions are yours actually.
Now, about the photo you enclosed - maybe your phone is broken, I don't know. Never seen anything like that, and I was never able to fail like this although I've made thousands of photos.
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It's clear that you're just a blind Sony fan pretending to be a really cool professional photographer using highly sophisticated, for clever people only, MANUAL mode and .... "professionally" taking photos by smartphone camera . That pretty muck explains everything. You made me laugh, man. I like you for that . I just say it again, Xperia 5 has subbar camera system suitable for Sony fanboys only. An not only Pixel 1 or 2 but also most modern Chinese phones like Huawei, Xiaomi and Realme do much better job with their camera than glorious Sony Xperia. Unfortunately that's the brutal truth. And you have to suck it up and go on with Xperia 5 - the choice of professional photographers .
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It's clear that you're just a blind Sony fan pretending to be a really cool professional photographer using highly sophisticated, for clever people only, MANUAL mode and .... "professionally" taking photos by smartphone camera . That pretty muck explains everything. You made me laugh, man. I like you for that . I just say it again, Xperia 5 has subbar camera system suitable for Sony fanboys only. An not only Pixel 1 or 2 but also most modern Chinese phones like Huawei, Xiaomi and Realme do much better job with their camera than glorious Sony Xperia. Unfortunately that's the brutal truth. And you have to suck it up and go on with Xperia 5 - the choice of professional photographers .
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A classic - personal insults instead of any real argument. Typical forum dumb..ss. But the fact you can't even make a proper photo because you're drunk, doesn't mean the discussion with you is in any way better
No insults or rants against the brand. I gave you real arguments of subbar Xperia 5 cameras compared to Google Pixel 2 / 3 / 4, Huawei Mate 10 Pro / 20 Pro / P30. I used all these camera-phones for more than enough time to compare with Xperia 5.
So personally for you I repeat my arguments against "master of mobile photography" Sony Xperia 5:
- inferior focusing system - slower than others, unable to focus properly to damn often on places where rivals smartphones can do easily,
- painfully slow Camera app start up, Camera app itself is not really good & polished as others,
- no dedicated night mode. Automatic one isn't good enough compare to rivals,
- inability to make night shots in Manual mode without tripod (blurry mess is guaranteed),
- struggle to make any decent photos in extreme or not perfect light conditions,
- camera lenses / glass cover flares,
- not good enough dynamic range,
- inferior HDR mode (little to none difference when it's on), inability to use it in Auto mode,
- "ghost" imaging of moving objects.
I saw all above mentioned issues by my own eyes and this is not something I was expected to come across on Alpha team tweaked Sony Xperia flagship smartphone camera!
WarVic said:
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Please find attached one of my Xperia 5 photo. It's an epic failure indeed, man. An it's not just a one-off shot. Can't remember that I saw anything like that coming from flagship smartphone camera
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Hi there,
Not to argue for or against Xperia 5 camera(s), but I just want to point out that your phone was perhaps defective.
In all the pictures I've done with Xperia 5, I've never seen any ghost image such as in your example, not even at night.
I can however get blurred moving subjects (but no double image) if taken at too slow shutter speed, as is the case with any small sensor camera.
This happens for example at night in auto-mode on Xperia 5 (ex: 1/16): too slow to shoot people, in which case we must set the speed in manual mode to avoid blur (ex: 1/64).
Cheers too!
chgr said:
Hi there,
Not to argue for or against Xperia 5 camera(s), but I just want to point out that your phone was perhaps defective.
In all the pictures I've done with Xperia 5, I've never seen any ghost image such as in your example, not even at night.
I can however get blurred moving subjects (but no double image) if taken at too slow shutter speed, as is the case with any small sensor camera.
This happens for example at night in auto-mode on Xperia 5 (ex: 1/16): too slow to shoot people, in which case we must set the speed in manual mode to avoid blur (ex: 1/64).
Cheers too!
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You could be right but I'm not sure. Can't remember that any of my smartphones had faulty camera in the past. I took photos both in Auto and Manual mode (HDR was enabled, nothing more changed) and that "double images" of moving objects persisted in light conditions a bit different from ideal. Just slight movement of my kids was enough to get unusable photo. Very disappointing. Luckily I sold that phone already and ordered another one. I'll check your suggestion once I get it.
Thanks
WarVic said:
You could be right but I'm not sure. Can't remember that any of my smartphones had faulty camera in the past. I took photos both in Auto and Manual mode (HDR was enabled, nothing more changed) and that "double images" of moving objects persisted in light conditions a bit different from ideal. Just slight movement of my kids was enough to get unusable photo. Very disappointing. Luckily I sold that phone already and ordered another one. I'll check your suggestion once I get it.
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Ok. I tried lots of pictures exactly as you explain: HDR ON (both with auto and manual), lots of light in background and a moving subject not well lit. Basically I did a moving person against a bright window.
I did get about 1 in 20 of these back-lit photos displaying a ghost image at the limit between dark and light areas. So I agree the phone still exhibits a little bit of the same issues as was the case in older models.
The algorithm to blend the multiple images in HDR is not yet perfect.
Not sure about the Pixel 4. It's probably better at this. I personally had the pixel 2 and sold it exactly because I was getting consistently blurred pictures of people and animals in HDR mode, much worse than with Xperia XZ2 which I had at the same time. Problem is Pixel 2 could only take nice pictures with HDR enabled, otherwise was terrible quality.
So in my day to day usage, I normally don't get this issue with the X5 which I use mostly in auto mode. Tip: if you absolutely need to avoid HDR in auto mode (besides the obvious advice not to shoot people in backlit conditions), uncheck "Object tracking" in settings, and use your finger to set focus + exposure on your subject before taking the pic. This in effect prevents HDR (Backlit) mode.
So now the only time I use manual mode is for night time shots to avoid blurred faces with 1/32 or 1/64 speed. I just wish Sony would add an option in settings so the user could set a lower speed limit that would apply to Eye/ face detected subjects only.
Thanks for good advises. I'll certainly use them once I get the phone. Regarding Pixel 2, I can't remember getting any blurred / out of focus photos from it. Quite surprised to hear it. Anyway, Pixel 3 seems ironed all the issues of previous models. I still consider it one of the best camera-phones right now. Also it's very cheap now too. Overall it is one of the best phones I've ever had and that's why I decided to keep it as a backup phone. Pixel 4 appeared to be roughly the same thing with worse battery. That was the reason for getting rid of it.
I did enjoy Xperia 5 too though. Hence I gave it one more chance and re-order it. I wish that Sony fix current issues with it or will do it in future. One of them, a very noticeable one, the camera app launch speed and its overall performance. I want it to be on pair with older Pixel 3 one, not any slower. Cheers
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Thanks for good advises. I'll certainly use them once I get the phone. Regarding Pixel 2, I can't remember getting any blurred / out of focus photos from it. Quite surprised to hear it. Anyway, Pixel 3 seems ironed all the issues of previous models. I still consider it one of the best camera-phones right now. Also it's very cheap now too. Overall it is one of the best phones I've ever had and that's why I decided to keep it as a backup phone. Pixel 4 appeared to be roughly the same thing with worse battery. That was the reason for getting rid of it.
I did enjoy Xperia 5 too though. Hence I gave it one more chance and re-order it. I wish that Sony fix current issues with it or will do it in future. One of them, a very noticeable one, the camera app launch speed and its overall performance. I want it to be on pair with older Pixel 3 one, not any slower. Cheers
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I guess now that X5 is getting much cheaper it's still interesting, but I wouldn't expect big software improvements to come except for maybe Photo Pro app if Sony is nice to us.
Personally I think the next version X5 II should bring major improvements in photo and we will soon know if that's true with the X1 II:
Photo Pro app vs current camera app (should bring better speed, stability and features if it lives up to current Cinema Pro app)
Bigger sensors = better low light shots
Faster and better focus (with TOF and dual pixel)
Eye tracking on pets (I have a cat and a dog)
... That's of course if it does indeed come out.
It's good enough.
Overall it's an acceptable camera system. I agree it has some flaws, but I knew that going in. I purchased used on eBay (MUCH more affordable), and of course read and viewed many reviews that outline these flaws. It's good enough for snapshots or Instagram or times when you need a pic of something when your out and about. I take a digital camera with me when I know I am going somewhere that I am going to photograph stuff. One reviewer summed up nicely what the big issue is here; Sony makes camera sensors for a lot of other phone companies and makes some of the absolute best digital cameras in the world, so how did they let this slide?
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I think you completely forgot what are you talking about - what really is a tiny camera on a dinky phone (whatever good and powerful it is) and what's the primary purpose of it. And you're calling the best smartphone camera on the market for quite a while by now (not just my personal opinion by the way) - Google Pixel camera - an idiotic one?! That is complete ignorance and nonsense! You certainly never had a Pixel phone. That's explains everything.
Please find attached one of my Xperia 5 photo. It's an epic failure indeed, man. An it's not just a one-off shot. Can't remember that I saw anything like that coming from flagship smartphone camera.
Good luck with your "advanced, for professionals only" Xperia ). Cheers!
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Looking at your pictures, i assume you received a faulty phone
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the OPPO Find X2 Pro come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Had a brief session today with Find X2 Pro. Compared it to S20 Ultra. Awesome
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9glwGjgjzB/?igshid=eq6g5wsig75d
Random tries in nightmode/48MP....
Have the phone since yesterday and used a Pixel 4xl before. Will post some comparison here later but till now I would say that for landscape the oppo is superior but for portraits the Pixel is by far better. Skin tones and also the perfection of the bokeh is just amazing. Playing around with gcam produces good results for portraits but still not on par.
Any recommendations for ports and configs for the Find X2 pro?
does gcam work with the Oppo?
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does gcam work with the Oppo?
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Yes, Try the OnePlus 8 telegram group, their recommendations work for me.
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Yes, Try the OnePlus 8 telegram group, their recommendations work for me.
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I wonder if you can use all 3 lenses without root?
We just created a new telegram group for the x2pro (same admins as op8 and op7) waiting for a green light from XDA mods to post the link on this forum.
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Yes, Try the OnePlus 8 telegram group, their recommendations work for me.
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Apparently, with the new Color OS 7.2 rolling out yes it will be possible.
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I wonder if you can use all 3 lenses without root?
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Since there is not many Real-Life sample photos around I decided to share some of mine via a telegram group: just search for oppo find x2 pro sampleshots (I cannot add a link as I am a new user here)
The iPhone seems a lot warmer and much better for skin tones to me
https://photos.app.goo.gl/evohnMPrGzF22fMZ8
Today I made a photo comparison between the oppo find x2 pro and the huawei p30 pro. Daylight and at 21:30. I find it frightening that in many cases the Huawei easily keeps up and sometimes takes better photos. The Oppo often has a red cast in low light. Even the wide angle of the Oppo is not superior, despite the imx586. I can only hope that Oppo will improve the software.
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Today I made a photo comparison between the oppo find x2 pro and the huawei p30 pro. Daylight and at 21:30. I find it frightening that in many cases the Huawei easily keeps up and sometimes takes better photos. The Oppo often has a red cast in low light. Even the wide angle of the Oppo is not superior, despite the imx586. I can only hope that Oppo will improve the software.
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I compared it quite a bit to the P20 Pro, where detail is superior in the oppo most of the time, but also not extraordinarily better. HDR scenes and color reproduction are way better on the Oppo though.
In lowlight or even medium light(shaded forests for example) it casts the whole frame in the most prominent color it sees. You can try this at dusk in front of a TV for example. Nightmode increases this problem quite dramatically. Of note, GCam nightsight doesnt do this, so it definitly is a software thing.
In bright sunny conditions, lensflare is also quite apparent in certain angles. Most of the time you can tilt the phone a few degrees and get rid of it without messing too much with the shot you want to take. For stills this is ok, but in video you get really bad lensflares in sunny conditions for which you cannot correct.
I also contacted Oppo support for some of the things, but they dont answer so far.
Has anyone noticed lense flare or pictures looking like they've been taken behind a screen or window? So disappointed with the camera, considering sending it back.
Oppo is a selfie expert mobile. Obviously, the photo qualify is awesome. But I don't know the radiation to take photos. That's the first thing we have to know. Is it omits many radiations when we take photos or videos? Can any known person please share the details here
Stunning
Best camera iv had on a smart phone!
HDR blows out quite a bit compared to competitors.
I often try to catch some views of the night sky. Since I got the Find X2 Pro I just played along with night mode and not with the pro settings - I think this would increase quality massively.
Attached you'll find some night mode photos and a photo that was shot directly towards the mid-day sun.
Btw: If you have some special settings for astrophotography with Oppo Find X2 Pro, it would be nice to know.
To be honest: Don't buy this phone for camera quality.
The sensors are great, they should be able to beat most other phones quite easily or at least compare to them but that's not the case because of some serious software problems. I don't want to go in depth but this phone isn't about camera or battery. It's about performance and display but even there is lacking. The Display problems from the 8pro also affect oppos devices. It's a shame and makes the whole phone pointless.
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To be honest: Don't buy this phone for camera quality.
The sensors are great, they should be able to beat most other phones quite easily or at least compare to them but that's not the case because of some serious software problems. I don't want to go in depth but this phone isn't about camera or battery. It's about performance and display but even there is lacking. The Display problems from the 8pro also affect oppos devices. It's a shame and makes the whole phone pointless.
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could not really agree on the camera part, I think photos are pretty great
but you are right about the display issues
Macro Shot by venacephalica, auf Flickr
Macro Shot
IMG20200731233515_1 by venacephalica, auf Flickr
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Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Sony Xperia 5 II come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Expect chromatic aberration in photos (widest lens), or I'd say CA in photos of X5 ii is a bit easier to detect than my previous Galaxy S10. Minimum focus distance is also quite long... also compared to my S10.
On the other hand, I like the Pro photo mode with AE-L and 3:2 aspect ratio option.
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Expect chromatic aberration in photos (widest lens), or I'd say CA in photos of X5 ii is a bit easier to detect than my previous Galaxy S10. Minimum focus distance is also quite long... also compared to my S10.
On the other hand, I like the Pro photo mode with AE-L and 3:2 aspect ratio option.
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well: look at this:
https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-5-camera-test-1167092/
in the HDR chapter:
"Next, I want to draw your attention to something in the following two sample sets. The Google Pixel 5 suffers badly from chromatic aberration (the purple hue seen in between the tree leaves). The Huawei P40 Pro has the same problem, but the effect is limited to the upper left corner of the lens. The Galaxy and Xperia handsets have no such issue. Once again, shadow noise rears its head in the Pixel 5’s shots"
Please see an example here https://we.tl/t-mLwMGMoF9H
ok, ultra wide angle lens?- I guess the test I linked from was for the standard lens
Picture is very good-great, the colors are natural, no over-sharpening, the noise is natural, but, it can sometimes happen to overexpose the image, sony did a great job for the camera..
Overall, camera software requires some minor tweaks to be top notch.. The best is, no pixel (finally) binning, true 12mp, large pixel size.
very good photo quality!
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Picture is very good-great, the colors are natural, no over-sharpening, the noise is natural, but, it can sometimes happen to overexpose the image, sony did a great job for the camera..
Overall, camera software requires some minor tweaks to be top notch.. The best is, no pixel (finally) binning, true 12mp, large pixel size.
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I totally quote. I am happy to find a similar look / color rendition to my Sony Full Frame mirrorless. Photo pro app does a great job, especially in "normal" (not too low) light conditions. Color rendition is natural. After Huaweis Mate (only missing the b/w sensor of the P20pro!) this Xperia is fresh air.
With good Light the Camera make good Photos, but i really have Focus issues for Quick Fotos. Its not that im Shaking or something but at 1 of 3 Photos im must repeat and then the Focus is about right. As you can see in the Attachement.
I know that Sony will fix this Problem but when 1/3 from the Photos are just not sharp for a 900 Dollar Phone its a little Dissapointing.
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I think, photo-quality is ok, but I would have expected more (comming from an XZ1 compact).... - Especialy the selfie-camera was better on the XZ1 compact, because it had 120° angle mode.
That certainly not encouraging to hear that. I looking at both Xperia 1 II and 5 II for quite a while already. Still not impressed with the camera system at all - the only selling point of this phone to my opinion. Can't find the proof that new Xperias can beat my old Pixel 3 or even Pixel 1 (which is the most colour accurate of all to my opinion). Can't remember of getting out of focus photos from Pixel 3.
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For some reason this tread is nearly empty - no encouraging, mind-blowing photos. And this is quite suspicious. Why is that? Xperia 5 II / 1 II can't really shine in it? Or messing with Pro mode leave to time to take a great shot? Please upload more photos showing that new Xperia camera system is any better than others, especially against "so unnatural" Pixels.
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With good Light the Camera make good Photos, but i really have Focus issues for Quick Fotos. Its not that im Shaking or something but at 1 of 3 Photos im must repeat and then the Focus is about right. As you can see in the Attachement.
I know that Sony will fix this Problem but when 1/3 from the Photos are just not sharp for a 900 Dollar Phone its a little Dissapointing.
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Completely agree with it. I'd be very disappointed If I bought photo-oriented $900 smartphone and found the low light photos coming out in "quality" like yours. I believe my $50 old dinky Pixel 1 does better job. In this case "Photo Pro photographer guys" will say that you have to use Photo Pro app every single time, Sony fanboys will say that you have got a faulty unit. To my opinion it's just failure to deliver the quality everyone expected from the company which makes the best camera sensors.
Here is an additional take on photo quality.
Main lens (wide angle) in AUTO mode (with standard / Pro apps):
Good:
- Noiseless pictures. Much improved from previous generation.
- Natural looking blur in out-of focus areas (ex: background). Can create natural bokeh for cats, faces, macro, etc.
- Contrary to what some people say, good dynamic range because the auto HDR mode turns on when needed in most cases. Note that in the Pro app, you can use touch metering and still keep HDR active, a nice addition.
- Good pictures in low light: very low noise and not too much unnatural brightening of scene.
- Mostly no lens flares on standard intensity lights. (improved from Xperia 5)
Not so good:
- Focus issues at night: lack of TOF and no pre-flash sometimes leads to focus misses. Solution is to use the Pro app with continuous focus ON (mode is not available in standard app). Most often this allows phones to acquire focus except in total darkness.
- Focus issues with far subjects, such as landscape. Sometimes the camera just won't focus at all. Solution is to use tap to focus (in Pro app, this means you have to turn OFF continuous focus)
- Focus issues with eye / face detection: it's just not always accurate. Again, much better results with tap to focus.
- Very bad lens flares (light streaks) when facing a brighter light at some angles. (much worse than Xperia 5). So much for the Zeiss lens!. This issue can sometimes be solved by placing your hand to block the strong light near the lens.
- Color temperature is a bit too cold. Especially visible in darker environments.
What about non-auto modes ?
Good:
- You can set everything as you wish in Pro app.
Not so Good:
- As in previous generations, you will get a lot more noise than in auto mode, esp. beyond 200 ISO. Makes is useless for me. One solution would be using RAW and applying your own denoising filters, but you loose HDR and I didn't get much better results anyways.
- Takes more time to adjust: not suitable for quick shots.
What about the other lenses ?
- Ultra wide gives ok results. Not worse than other flagships from what I've seen.
- Zoom lens is more noisy. Only suitable in daylight IMO.
- Selfie: never used.
My conclusion:
- With Xperia 5 II, you can get great pictures with a photographic look in the right situations. But some pictures may out-of-focus and some will get bad lens flares. Also it needs too much attention to settings for me.
- So I sold the phone and kept my Xperia 5 1st gen. Photos have a bit more noise, but it's more dependable in focusing and rarely misses a picture. Colors are also warmer and more accurate at least to my taste.
Note that Xperia 1 II may not have these focusing issues but I didn't try it.
Some examples:
Xperia 5 II: flares
Xperia 5: no flare
Xperia 5 II: bad focus at night
Xperia 5: better focus at night
Xperia 5 II: natural bokeh
Xperia 5: not much bokeh
Xperia 5 II: less noise
Xperia 5: more noise
Xperia 5 II: the 3 lenses:
Ultra wide
wide
zoom
Some other pics from X5 II (in right situations)
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(<- ultra wide lens)
skilli said:
With good Light the Camera make good Photos, but i really have Focus issues for Quick Fotos. Its not that im Shaking or something but at 1 of 3 Photos im must repeat and then the Focus is about right. As you can see in the Attachement.
I know that Sony will fix this Problem but when 1/3 from the Photos are just not sharp for a 900 Dollar Phone its a little Dissapointing.
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Unfortunately this is my experience with it as well. Once light conditions aren't perfect the camera struggles with focusing and stops delivering good photos. Also the water painting effect isn't something unusual here which is not acceptable for over $900 camera-phone. Just wondering whether Xperia 1 II is better in this regard? Maybe TOF helps somehow?
For focus issues: are you using stock app or PhotoPro app in auto mode?
I haven't noticed any focus issue but I always use PhotoPro
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For focus issues: are you using stock app or PhotoPro app in auto mode?
I haven't noticed any focus issue but I always use PhotoPro
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I'm also a little bit worried about the camera quality and focus...I'm using PhotoPro but it doesn't looks so good, but I don't regret switching from P30 pro
I'm considering buying the phone and the cameras are the most important for me, so my most important questions are - is there raw format shooting for all three lenses and what are their maximum exposure settings(seconds), cause with my current mi note 10 pro I was able to shoot the milky way, and expect this phone to be able also...
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I'm considering buying the phone and the cameras are the most important for me, so my most important questions are - is there raw format shooting for all three lenses and what are their maximum exposure settings(seconds), cause with my current mi note 10 pro I was able to shoot the milky way, and expect this phone to be able also...
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Hello, you can shoot raw on all the 3 lenses. Maximum exposure time it's 30 sec. Unfortunately, I wouldn't recommend you this device for making photos, I'm coming from a P30 pro and I'm really disappointed with the overall quality of the photos, so you better start looking for another device....
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Hello, you can shoot raw on all the 3 lenses. Maximum exposure time it's 30 sec. Unfortunately, I wouldn't recommend you this device for making photos, I'm coming from a P30 pro and I'm really disappointed with the overall quality of the photos, so you better start looking for another device....
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Are you talking for jpg quality, or raw?
Cause I'm not planning to use jpg for serious shooting, as I did with my real camera. I like to produce my own jpgs and I know how to use the 3 main(in smartphones 2) settings.
Can anyone provide me with a raw sample from each of the lenses. Would appreciate it.
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Are you talking for jpg quality, or raw?
Cause I'm not planning to use jpg for serious shooting, as I did with my real camera. I like to produce my own jpgs and I know how to use the 3 main(in smartphones 2) settings.
Can anyone provide me with a raw sample from each of the lenses. Would appreciate it.
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Raw, of course,I don't shoot jpeg because I like to edit my photos