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Ok guys, since we're all waiting in here, seemed like a good idea to start this thread... If anyone has any 'good' news they'd like to share about the update, please do so here
Also, when the update is out, would be cool to have everyone post their comments and experiences in this thread, keeping it tight!
At this point, we don't seem to have anything set in stone on when this update is coming, I'm just hoping on a couple of good fixes with the update, like the auto brightness issue, camera optimisations, smoothness/lag issues etc..
What do you guys hope to get to see in the new update?
I hope it wont take long.
Misleading title
I'm kinda happy with my Z5 so far (I encounter bugs and issues here and there though). I'm a little bit less impressed with Sony when it comes to fixing bugs and releasing updates.
Mashmallow release date: October 5, 2015
October... November... December... 1/2 January... still no release date. I'm not talking about the actual ROM, just about a release date... (January? February?)
And I'm pretty sure they received the Marshmallow sources way before October 5th and they use a pretty-near stock ROM. What's taking so long compared to, for example, Motorola or LG (already on Marshmallow)? I mean, yeah the KitKat -> Lollipop transition was pretty steep, with a lot of new code, but Marshmallow and Lollipop are close cousins, use the same design, ART runtime, etc.
Or maybe it's just me; After using custom roms for years, and not having to wait that long after a manufacturer to update its phones, I became impatient :|
At least Sony update their phones I'm happy to wait when it comes it comes I'm tired of expecting. We had 2 year updates with the original XZ so I'm more than happy
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I don't understand why the Z3 series has the Marshmallow concept and Z5 doesn't.
Waiting is okay for me, as long as the update brings something big, like new feautres. But at least Sony should tell us when they're going to release Marshmallow - it's now a bit long time already.
I hope to see new redesigned UI as current one is really boring and these colorfull icons in menus are no longer elegant to be honest, it does not look consistent to me any longer.
Camera blur fix and low light improvements along with 4K 60fps and intelligent stady shot are expected.
Battery life for sure needs to be improved as well as lags and response of the phone.
Bug fixes please.
Dream Wishes? Old Timescape in new rewamped design
The most important is the manual camera, or at least return of iso on sony manual camera app
Phazonclash said:
Mashmallow release date: October 5, 2015
October... November... December... 1/2 January... still no release date. I'm not talking about the actual ROM, just about a release date... (January? February?)
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They keeping it temporary exclusive for the Z6 launch. (lol)
Ok I'm out.
It's the same every time Just wait à little more to be sure to have à good rom. Z3 users already bêta test it for us..
Btw where did you see October for Z5 MM release ?
You can monitor this thread cause this guy gbil work at sony always have true info http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3261154
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They keeping it temporary exclusive for the Z6 launch. (lol)
Ok I'm out.
It's the same every time Just wait à little more to be sure to have à good rom. Z3 users already bêta test it for us..
Btw where did you see October for Z5 MM release ?
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Marshmallow was released by google on October 5th 2015...
It's a shame because I'm waiting for the marshmallow update to see if it's worth me keeping this phone or selling and getting a nexus 6p
Sony never promised MM to release in 2015 for the Z5 lineup, according to sources the update is going to be released this month.
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It's a shame because I'm waiting for the marshmallow update to see if it's worth me keeping this phone or selling and getting a nexus 6p
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I'm thinking the same thing, either swapping it or selling it for either a 6P or a G4 (or even my previous Moto X Style I swapped for this device)
They need to fix and improve a lot of stuff for the device for me to keep it..
It's been reported that the new firmware bound for Sony Xperia Z5 and Xperia Z4 in Japan has been certified by the Wi-Fi Alliance, a process that is needed to for OTA software update, so hang in there folks =)
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It's been reported that the new firmware bound for Sony Xperia Z5 and Xperia Z4 in Japan has been certified by the Wi-Fi Alliance, a process that is needed to for OTA software update, so hang in there folks =)
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Any links to that statement? Who reported it?
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Any links to that statement? Who reported it?
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http://www.xperiablog.net/2015/12/1...rtified-for-japanese-xperia-z4-and-z5-models/
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It was, like, a month ago... Nothing new.
I have marshmallow on my 6P and I tried the concept on the Z3 and it's not that much of a change. It does bring native fingerprint scanner support that hopefully Sony will bring forward with their own scanner. Also adopted SD storage with it's a bit of a mess on its own.
Another thing I've noticed, because app uptake for new versions of android is slow (right now about 5% of people are on marshmallow) there's a lot of bugs to be ironed out by devs at the beginning therefore IMHO is much better to get onto the new big releases a few months later after Google puts them out.
I think Sony does a fine job with all this. By the time they came out with Lollipop most bugs had been ironed out and they quickly brought it up to 5.1.1.
Anyone have a guess or idea on when 7.0 will arrive on the Pure Edition?
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Anyone have a guess or idea on when 7.0 will arrive on the Pure Edition?
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Stock OTA? Probably in Novemberish December like Marshmallow did. Custom roms? Prob late September early October
Neez333 said:
Stock OTA? Probably in Novemberish December like Marshmallow did. Custom roms? Prob late September early October
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Do you think Motorola will really pump out the update so quickly now that Lenovo owns them instead of Google?
Decends said:
Do you think Motorola will really pump out the update so quickly now that Lenovo owns them instead of Google?
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If Lenovo is smart, it will happen on this time frame. After all, this was one of the selling points of this phone and brand. I can understand their stance on quarterly security updates vice monthly, so I don't think it is indication of any delay to be expected. Having recently acquired the Moto line, failure to meet this expectation would be bad for business. My only hope is that the level of quality fit future phones remains intact. I have had the bad luck of being burned by both a laptop and windows tablet by them. Both had mobos that quit within a few months of the year warranty being up.
It shouldn't take more than 2 months after the release for nexus which means in november ; marshmallow was released fir nexus devices in october and our moto recieved it in december! Actually I believe that it shoudn't take more than a month ! I mean the job is pretty easy for lenovo! No modding no UI changes..... It's pretty much stock android All it takes is a clean build ! It isn't that different from making an update for nexus devices!
The last update for PLK-L01 is B380 with security patches dated back to 1 August 2016. (I received the OTA in September/October)
It's February 2017 now.
Can we do something to urge Honor to be clear about their support plan?
Because it would be a shame that this device had no support after only one year of his life. ( 1 year !!! )
I'm not even talking about EMUI 5 because at this point there's very little hope but I will be very disappointed if there won't be any further updates. For sure I'll think twice before buying/recommending Huawei phones.
Sorry but I had to vent a bit.
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The last update for PLK-L01 is B380 with security patches dated back to 1 August 2016. (I received the OTA in September/October)
It's February 2017 now.
Can we do something to urge Honor to be clear about their support plan?
Because it would be a shame that this device had no support after only one year of his life. ( 1 year !!! )
I'm not even talking about EMUI 5 because at this point there's very little hope but I will be very disappointed if there won't be any further updates. For sure I'll think twice before buying/recommending Huawei phones.
Sorry but I had to vent a bit.
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I totally agree with you. It would be especially a shame because Honor promised a 2 year Update guarantee.
I don't think we can do anything about this situation the only answer we would get would be a "We are always trying our best" and so on.
Actually....Seem official that won't be any Nougat release (due to hw compatibility).... at the same time it's possible a porting of emui 5 features (split screen and other stuff) to an update for the divices that can't support Android 7 as H7.
This should include also fresh security patch, but I don't think we'll see this famous update before the summer.
All this is what I could understand, in totally unofficial way from the leaking of Honor support...
So let's hope.... something will arrive, but naturally to upgrade H7 and all the devices still young but that can't support Nougat; it isn't exactly at the top of the list for Honor now...
Anyway yes, H7 isn't a lucky smartphone; it have good hw; it run smooth and fast, and could deserve more....
....After all, I came from a Nexus 5; so I was use to have always fresh sw; and to have it before any other ......To tell the truth I don't care so much anymore, untill my H7 is running well (as now), software upgrade won't be a crazy pb.
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Actually....Seem official that won't be any Nougat release (due to hw compatibility).... at the same time it's possible a porting of emui 5 features (split screen and other stuff) to an update for the divices that can't support Android 7 as H7.
This should include also fresh security patch, but I don't think we'll see this famous update before the summer.
All this is what I could understand, in totally unofficial way from the leaking of Honor support...
So let's hope.... something will arrive, but naturally to upgrade H7 and all the devices still young but that can't support Nougat; it isn't exactly at the top of the list for Honor now...
Anyway yes, H7 isn't a lucky smartphone; it have good hw; it run smooth and fast, and could deserve more....
....After all, I came from a Nexus 5; so I was use to have always fresh sw; and to have it before any other ......To tell the truth I don't care so much anymore, untill my H7 is running well (as now), software upgrade won't be a crazy pb.
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Well i'm not even mad for not getting Android 7 and i am okay with that. But it would be nice if we could get some features from EMUI 5 at least. Let's see what the future brings us.
not officially at least: support should be granted for another 6 months, but don't expect much more than a few fixes and a security patch.... my guess is: tiny update with January security patch in the next few weeks, then a final small farewell update in summer.
further software development is out of the question IMHO. huawei just don't seem to learn from their past mistakes...
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Well i'm not even mad for not getting Android 7 and i am okay with that. But it would be nice if we could get some features from EMUI 5 at least. Let's see what the future brings us.
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They will come...Just to don't make us too disappointed, I think.....And to reach the 2 years of support
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not officially at least: support should be granted for another 6 months, but don't expect much more than a few fixes and a security patch.... my guess is: tiny update with January security patch in the next few weeks, then a final small farewell update in summer.
further software development is out of the question IMHO. huawei just don't seem to learn from their past mistakes...
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I Agree, could be a way...
...In all this, i think that is more bad luck with the last Nougat API not supported than any laziness or few interess in the developing...
But I agree another time that if Huawei/Honor want to fight with the top brands, they have to start to better follow their devices, or at least to have a clear policy on releasing update; without confusion or heavy bugs over major release.
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not officially at least: support should be granted for another 6 months, but don't expect much more than a few fixes and a security patch.... my guess is: tiny update with January security patch in the next few weeks, then a final small farewell update in summer.
further software development is out of the question IMHO. huawei just don't seem to learn from their past mistakes...
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People buying Huawei are the ones not learning LOL
But the problem AFAIK is that Honor 7 soc won't support Vulcan, which is required to get a official nougat build from a manufactorer accepted by google.
I have UL00 model and I'm using stable B386 from 01/12/2017. Security patch from 01/01/2017.
I'm just saying this version might come to other models too.
If you want to get security updates, get an iPhone.
Android is a totally insecure system due to the way Google had signed the manufacturers up. It always gets security updates several months later, and after a year and half you can throw your phone away or remain with your insecure system.
android N is nothing diff to android 6
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I have UL00 model and I'm using stable B386 from 01/12/2017. Security patch from 01/01/2017.
I'm just saying this version might come to other models too.
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Which country did u buy your phone from?
ffxmadman said:
Which country did u buy your phone from?
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From China, it is UL00 C17 variant.
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I have UL00 model and I'm using stable B386 from 01/12/2017. Security patch from 01/01/2017.
I'm just saying this version might come to other models too.
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Good to know, if the China model had the upgrade usually the EU model will have it in acceptable timing.....
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If you want to get security updates, get an iPhone.
Android is a totally insecure system due to the way Google had signed the manufacturers up. It always gets security updates several months later, and after a year and half you can throw your phone away or remain with your insecure system.
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I beg to differ... samsung s4 (2013) is on jan 2017 security patch, and even the cheap xiaomi mi2 (2012) has the same january 2017 update... personal experience.
so you don't need to have an iphone to get a decently long lasting software support.
among the top producers, it's just huawei that keeps disappointing its customers. and the joke is on us, since we still fall for it...
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I beg to differ... samsung s4 (2013) is on jan 2017 security patch, and even the cheap xiaomi mi2 (2012) has the same january 2017 update... personal experience.
so you don't need to have an iphone to get a decently long lasting software support.
among the top producers, it's just huawei that keeps disappointing its customers. and the joke is on us, since we still fall for it...
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Thanks for the feedback, but you are just confirming the TOTAL mess android is.
My Samsung s3 had very bad support. It took months for security fixes to land after being released by Google.
And even worse for my Samsung Galaxy tab 10.1 tablet. After 12 months no support anymore. And for security updates it was a 6 months wait at best.
My HTC phone was very bad also. 6 months at best for security updates and no support anymore after 18 months.
So, as you say sometimes you can get lucky with some devices BUT YOU WILL NEVER KNOW IN ADVANCE if your phone will be supported correctly or not.
I'm currently still on Android because I like the OS, but as it is such an unsecure unsupported platform I think I'll jump ship to iPhone next.
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Thanks for the feedback, but you are just confirming the TOTAL mess android is.
My Samsung s3 had very bad support. It took months for security fixes to land after being released by Google.
And even worse for my Samsung Galaxy tab 10.1 tablet. After 12 months no support anymore. And for security updates it was a 6 months wait at best.
My HTC phone was very bad also. 6 months at best for security updates and no support anymore after 18 months.
So, as you say sometimes you can get lucky with some devices BUT YOU WILL NEVER KNOW IN ADVANCE if your phone will be supported correctly or not.
I'm currently still on Android because I like the OS, but as it is such an unsecure unsupported platform I think I'll jump ship to iPhone next.
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it sure is impossible to foresee for how long a smartphone will be supported, but huawei has given us plenty of reasons in the last years to at least doubt their policy.
p6, p7 were a real shame, especially being the latter a bit pricey for a huawei; p8, mateS and h7 are the latest victims. and these are just the ones I personally know about. only h6 has had a fairly good support, especially for the price.
now I'm not saying samsung is perfect, they are far from it... (and I don't want to take into account tablets because it's true, android pretty much sucks when it comes to tablets and updates... :/ ) but since you came up with the s3 model, well that was a very hardware limited model... one of the last pre-JB models, with 1gb of ram only... especially with KK all the 1gb models became obsolete... but if you take the lg g1 that was commercialised only 4-5 months later with 2gb, it lived long enough to be updated from ICS to JB and finally to KK.
LG G2-G3-G4 are all receiving small updates from time to time, even if they are mainly only security fixes, but honestly it's the same thing happening with iphones, old models don't get the new features, just small fixes.
same with S4-S5-S6; not sure about M7, but I can guarantee for M8 and M9. Xiaomi still updates a lot of models from 2012-2013.
final words: among the big ballers, there's just one brand that keeps fooling its customers, and that's huawei/honor.
h7/p8/mateS are all 2015 devices... 2015... and h7's support has been dead for 7 months already... it's a shame!
Honor 7 will never updated to android 7.0, mb will coming some minor updates from vendors, mb..Last hope is only developers) imho
yes, they have abandoned us. From now never buy honor product.
xinnn said:
The last update for PLK-L01 is B380 with security patches dated back to 1 August 2016. (I received the OTA in September/October)
It's February 2017 now.
Can we do something to urge Honor to be clear about their support plan?
Because it would be a shame that this device had no support after only one year of his life. ( 1 year !!! )
I'm not even talking about EMUI 5 because at this point there's very little hope but I will be very disappointed if there won't be any further updates. For sure I'll think twice before buying/recommending Huawei phones.
Sorry but I had to vent a bit.
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Honor/Huawei
I had HTC phones in the past, then LG G2 and then changed to H7. I was very satisfied with it, because of smooth running, but when they announced that it wont get new update to nougat I was very dissappointed. Because it was clear then that there will be no updates, at least not any big updates. Its not old phone with good HW. And because of that I decided for iphone. No complaint till now, I have it for 6 months.
Answer AFAIK is nope, since Huawei/Honor only deliver one major update, and they did it "recently" (2016-09 according to their site) on Western Europe (PLK-L01) (probably the last wave who recieved it) with Android Marshmallow. But, the 5 and 6X recieved it.
Even the mid- low end Moto G4 Plus received June Security Patch but not so in the Z Play.
And it's due to the upcoming 7.1.1 update for the Z Play which includes June Security Patch also.
It's already july 7, So when will we get 7.1.1?
Is there any news about when it's releasing?
Because due to that monthly updates are also stopped!
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Even the mid- low end Moto G4 Plus received June Security Patch but not so in the Z Play.
And it's due to the upcoming 7.1.1 update for the Z Play which includes June Security Patch also.
It's already july 7, So when will we get 7.1.1?
Is there any news about when it's releasing?
Because due to that monthly updates are also stopped!
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You can sideload 7.1.1 since weeks. Then you have it. Normally not a big deal.
How does it feel to be wrong?
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How does it feel to be wrong?
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Not wrong at all.
Evwn it's great that Motorola/Lenovo is still providing updates to its devices in time.
Just giving me sentences support.
You should calm down. You're complaining about everything, even contacting Moto for ridiculous things like rounded icons.
Device is quite old, z2 is out but z1 is still getting updates. Slight delay is not reason to panic or opening a new topic.
Btw, how you're going to survive when Moto really ends support?
Get a life and use your device at is.
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Zeljko1234 said:
You should calm down. You're complaining about everything, even contacting Moto for ridiculous things like rounded icons.
Device is quite old, z2 is out but z1 is still getting updates. Slight delay is not reason to panic or opening a new topic.
Btw, how you're going to survive when Moto really ends support?
Get a life and use your device at is.
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Point!
If things go the way they should. Google's 8.0 release will introduce an API at kernel level (project treble) so that phone manufacturers who get the the altered source from soc vendors can build their source on top of soc source more quickly. This will make OTAs quicker to release. But knowing every company is just going for profits they'll still drop old devices at the same rate.
This feature comes just for new devices (maybe witz Z3, Z3 Play and so on), but not with the 2017 line. If we want this, we should wait to 2018 devices. Maybe we get 8.0, but not with all features.
I'm glad there is finally something came when I clicked the update button after a long time. And here it is, February security update after skipping January and releasing it after mid March, what a great speed of updates. I was hoping for Oreo but Motorola wants to take their time I think. Expected to get Oreo by mid April or they'll just troll us by pushing a March security patch.
Update is of 57mb if you're wondering.
It's ridiculous how the heavily skinned S8 gets Oreo way before near stock Android Moto. Nokia on the other hand is already on 8.1. I hope Moto upgrade directly to 8.1 if they're taking this long.
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It's ridiculous how the heavily skinned S8 gets Oreo way before near stock Android Moto. Nokia on the other hand is already on 8.1. I hope Moto upgrade directly to 8.1 if they're taking this long.
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It's not about skinning, it's about priorities - Moto Z Play is almost 2-year non-flagship device, so you should be happy, that you'll get update. Moto Z2 Force, which is newest flagship is already on Oreo for some time...
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It's ridiculous how the heavily skinned S8 gets Oreo way before near stock Android Moto. Nokia on the other hand is already on 8.1. I hope Moto upgrade directly to 8.1 if they're taking this long.
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It's 8.0 and as pointed out this phone is already old and a non flagship. Comparing this to a S8 is like comparing apples to oranges.
Apple is not on Android but oranges may be
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uchihakurtz said:
It's ridiculous how the heavily skinned S8 gets Oreo way before near stock Android Moto. Nokia on the other hand is already on 8.1. I hope Moto upgrade directly to 8.1 if they're taking this long.
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I read about project treble, it seems the problem with slow updates is vendor implementation. Lenovo just want to slow updates for older phones so people will get frustrated and buy their new phones. It's just a theory, maybe something else is the problem for slow updates. I think in couple of months they'll push last updates to MZP, no expectations for Android P because how slow they are pushing updates, it seems like they just want to get rid of their older devices. It's a common market parctice so I don't have any problem but thanks to XDA developers for making custom roms so users can enjoy new android in older phones too.
They used to be so fast when they were Motorola.. now they are a Lenovo company and SLOW AS HELL.
The phone feels snappier after this security update... maybe I'm dreaming
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They used to be so fast when they were Motorola.. now they are a Lenovo company and SLOW AS HELL.
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But still going strong. As said above, our phone is quite old and Moto is still supporting it. You got security update, SOAK testers got 4th build today. I really respect that they are listening testers' feedback, not just releasing major update and letting people to stuck with the buggy one. Which other vendor is putting so much effort?
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But still going strong. As said above, our phone is quite old and Moto is still supporting it. You got security update, SOAK testers got 4th build today. I really respect that they are listening testers' feedback, not just releasing major update and letting people to stuck with the buggy one. Which other vendor is putting so much effort?
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i m on second build
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But still going strong. As said above, our phone is quite old and Moto is still supporting it. You got security update, SOAK testers got 4th build today. I really respect that they are listening testers' feedback, not just releasing major update and letting people to stuck with the buggy one. Which other vendor is putting so much effort?
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And how stable is 4th one? Less buggy then the 3rd one?
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And how stable is 4th one? Less buggy then the 3rd one?
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So far so good but I have to check bugs other users are reporting. Some bugs, like stability, battery drain, etc. are showing up after couple of days. It's not clever to install update, test few things and then report right away that everything works.
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So far so good but I have to check bugs other users are reporting. Some bugs, like stability, battery drain, etc. are showing up after couple of days. It's not clever to install update, test few things and then report right away that everything works.
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Whatcha mean? I see a ton of people doing just that.. I love the random unresponsiveness still.
Zeljko1234 said:
But still going strong. As said above, our phone is quite old and Moto is still supporting it. You got security update, SOAK testers got 4th build today. I really respect that they are listening testers' feedback, not just releasing major update and letting people to stuck with the buggy one. Which other vendor is putting so much effort?
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newer build number please,
Here you go
My moto z play is RETEU. Why am I still on the December 2017 sesurity patch? Does anyone know?
formula2 said:
My moto z play is RETEU. Why am I still on the December 2017 sesurity patch? Does anyone know?
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Same
abhishekiswithyou said:
newer build number please,
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opn27.76-12-13