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can someone please fix the htc audio booster for the athena device

hello ,,after a while i thought i ask again if anyone can get the htc audio booster to work on the athena if so please share it with us as others like me need it
htc audio booster ,,enhances sound quality gives you the option to use a equaliser ,,and preamp etc which is perfect for playing music and clarify's sounds

pdaman2604 said:
hello ,,after a while i thought i ask again if anyone can get the htc audio booster to work on the athena if so please share it with us as others like me need it
htc audio booster ,,enhances sound quality gives you the option to use a equaliser ,,and preamp etc which is perfect for playing music and clarify's sounds
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You are asking for this audio booster all the time, but please tell something more about it. I have Universal and Advantage, I am since some time here, and never heard of that. What is it, and were can you get it from? Is it available from HTC ? For what devices?

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You are asking for this audio booster all the time, but please tell something more about it. I have Universal and Advantage, I am since some time here, and never heard of that. What is it, and were can you get it from? Is it available from HTC ? For what devices?
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hi,,,i have attached it here please download it and install and you can see for yourself what it is mate many thanks
if you can get it working i would be very grateful

pdaman2604 said:
hi,,,i have attached it here please download it and install and you can see for yourself what it is mate many thanks
if you can get it working i would be very grateful
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But please, answer the questions. It is important to know were the package comes from. It can help developers also.

htc audio booster
i have no idea where it came from ,,user :mahmood sent it to me and said it works on the athena which then later he also said sorry mistake it doesnt
also i dont know what devices it fully works on ,,i also have a htc trinity which i installed it on there it works perfectly without a glitch
so far only device i know it works on is htc trinity ,,,and u gotta have wm5 min to install it

htc audio booster
hi all. i was using this audio booster on my dopod D802 when the os was in Chinese language, dud after i change the os into English language i loose the audio booster, it wasn't simply it the program list like it was previously in the Chinese os. Since i've found several of audio booster cab that i've download and install on my dopod under the English os after installation and softrest the audio booster can be found in the PROGRAM list but never i've arrived to made it work. the audio booster load well but not able to CHECK the EQUALIZER case; thus no change can be made to the quality of the sound. Reading some forums that talk about it, i think that there's a dll file missing or some tweak should be made on the audio booster the enable the EQUALIZER case to be CHECK. anyone have a way of solving this problem??

I have the HTC Equalizer on my phone, works fine. Sounds similar to what you describe above, it provides an equalizer for the plugged-in headset but no preamp/boost. However, I never use it because I use TCPMP for all audio and video and it has its own equalizer & preamp/boost which works on the plug and bluetooth headphones. Use TCPMP and you don't need the program you are talking about.

Well if you have the htc audio booster in your phone and working fine, please extract the exe. file and post it on the forum so that we can download it and install it... dud the htc audio booster is an independent booster that boost the wmp sound only if the handsetfree is plugin, and if you using another media player that have an equalizer, as far as the handsetfree is plug onto the device, the booster will still load reboost up the output sound of that media player after the integrated equalizer of your media player boost up. no need of bluetooth or stuff whatever... thanks for help

Audio Booster works on my X7510. It came pre-installed on my stock ROM. It will only work if you have a headset plugged into the device.

babalao20 said:
Well if you have the htc audio booster in your phone and working fine, please extract the exe. file and post it on the forum so that we can download it and install it... dud the htc audio booster is an independent booster that boost the wmp sound only if the handsetfree is plugin, and if you using another media player that have an equalizer, as far as the handsetfree is plug onto the device, the booster will still load reboost up the output sound of that media player after the integrated equalizer of your media player boost up. no need of bluetooth or stuff whatever... thanks for help
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If the HTC Booster is the same as my (working) HTC Equalizer application, I'll post it. But the name is different...

Any idea how come the Audio Booster looks like this in S.E Xperia X1?
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Any idea how come the Audio Booster looks like this in S.E Xperia X1?
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It looks the same with my X7510. The only difference I can see is the skin color. Mine is all BLACK background with WHITE as the color of the outlines and letters.

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It looks the same with my X7510. The only difference I can see is the skin color. Mine is all BLACK background with WHITE as the color of the outlines and letters.
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Lols.. what to do with the speaker.. Sound played from the speaker (left bottom) sounds awful n weak.. Have no choice but plug in the earphone i bought outside

dancemacabre said:
Lols.. what to do with the speaker.. Sound played from the speaker (left bottom) sounds awful n weak.. Have no choice but plug in the earphone i bought outside
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I guess this depends on how you encoded the movies or the music files.

I didnt encode anything.. Just playing the mp3 i downloaded and play it with my X1 as my friend trying to 'steal' mp3 from my device.
The sound is very weak especially when playing classicals.. Alot of noise when playing some trance or techno.. not to say those smooth music.. cant even hear what they're singing..

itunes m4a in SE player

I use itune agent to sync my itune playlist to my x1
and it's working out great apart
from songs i buy from itunes store
not acc drm songs mind you but the non drm itunes plus ones
that apple changed to
most my songs are m4a and they play just fine
but the songs i payed for make the media panel act up
it sounds like it's starting but then it quit
and look like it's using back and forth in and out of the
playing song mode
have anybody tried the same setup ?

mmh problem still exists here with R2, anybody found a solution? searched forums as well as with google but found no solution though

well tried the touchflow player and same deal
suspect they both depend on wmp to play music
and thats the culpit
if you try other players like coreplayer it works just fine
of cause that mean one can't use the se media panel for playing

yeah, theres no m4a decoder for winmo wmp I don't think.
will they play in wmp on desktop? I wonder if theres a codec we could copy across from there?

fards said:
yeah, theres no m4a decoder for winmo wmp I don't think.
will they play in wmp on desktop? I wonder if theres a codec we could copy across from there?
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I seriously doubt your statement that WM does not support the Advanced Audio Codec, ACC, (which is M4A - Mpeg 4 Audio) since AAC is one of the (official) audiocodec's used in the MP4 video container.
AAC is also alot easier to decode then MP3, which makes it even more strange that that would be the case.
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AAC is supported just fine in WM6 .
However I remember some problems caused by Itunes Pro AAC's, since they use INVALID TAG's. This was done to indentify the buyer.
You could have a look with some decent tagging software (foobar FTW ), and strip the non-standard tags from the music.

Whether it can decode the audio part of video isn't a debate. It's whether it can play M4a files natively.
There's various sources that say it can and it can't.
I can't get my bog standard DRM free M4a files that I download as part of the NIN|Ja tour sampler to play on my x1 using WMP.
I can get the same files to play using pocket player, ergo WMP does not support M4A

does anybody know exactly which tags mess up playability in media experience panel ?(before i start testing myself).
btw i do use foobar, however i dont see the tags mediainfo is showing me anywhere within foobar, i might be mssing something (e.g. the properties dialogue does not show my mail address)

I had this same problem, but solved it using a little utility call PutPinfInItsPlace. Here's a short extract from the "ReadMe" file:-
PutPinfInItsPlace
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Release 2, 20 June 2007.
Joshua King
Find more information about this tool at:
http://techtransit.blogspot.com
This is a simple tool to fix a compatibility issue between Apple iTunes Plus AAC music tracks and Nokia/Symbian mobile phones.
You can download the utility here:-
http://techtransit.blogspot.com/2007/06/putpinfinitsplace-itunes-plus-fixer-for.html
It takes seconds to process an album and simply corrects the tag structure of the header file.
Thanks,
joboy

yoboj said:
It takes seconds to process an album and simply corrects the tag structure of the header file.
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Yes. That is exactly what i meant with the invalid tags. Thanks for finding, i searched for it but i found nothing.
(i was under the impression Foobar could too though, but i don't buy from the Apple Music Store (big apple hater here, ) so i could not test it, sorry)

Music stops after 1 to 2 min

Hi all,
My TD2 has started acting very strange when playing music, after 1 to 2 mins it stops when using TF3D music player.
I read some other posts that had a similar problem and followed the fixes but it has not helped me.
My music stops even if the screen is alive (ie on mains adapter)
I tried removing all the htc album art and folder.jpg from the music folders but that has not helped.
I have also checked the micro SD power save settings to see if that was the problem but sadly not.
Im not sure what i should try next except a hard reset (i really do not look forward to restoring all my settings) so i hope you can share some more ideas
thanks

Just to add this problem is only present when using TF3D music player, but not when using core player

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I only have this problem with win6.5
with 6.1 every thing is perfect
u canm use pocket player
it will not turn off the screen when playing but it will only go dim
and it will work good and its power consumption is good

I too am using 6.5 and manila 2.5, but im not sure what has been the cause of the problem.
Last week everything was working fine, the only thing ive changed since then is adding some more albums. I have tried removing the new albums but still the problem persists.
Very unusual

I just tested this on the ROM in my Sig and am not having this issue.
Perhaps it is ROM related? Are you all on the same ROM?

im using HG R6 same as you :S

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im using HG R6 same as you :S
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Interesting.
Then it would have to be either the way the music is stored, or an issue with your storage card.
I know that with cheaper storage cards, the data transfer rate is less than the higher quality ones.
FWIW, I don't have my music organized, just one folder for Music, sub folder for Praise and Worship Music and a second subfolder for recorded songs from Resco Radio (in case I already have the song in the music folder.
Sorry I couldn't be more help.

Thanks for the suggestions.
I tried copying the music to another SD card and the problem persists, so i think it is safe to rule out SD card fault
I have my music arranged on the card the following way
Music folder on root of the card
Inside music folder i have a seperate folder for each album
Inside each album folder there are the MP3's and folder.jpg
My music has been stored like this since i have had the device (since TD2 released in UK) and it has not been a problem before.
I think a hard reset at the weekend may the best solution

First, the get-outs. I don't use the HTC player, nor your ROM, nor even WM6.5, so I might be talking crap here. But, perhaps the problem might be corruption of the music database file, specially since it started since you loaded more albums on. I've seen this with other devices (specifically Cowon) before.
The database file seems to be AudioManager_Eng.vol, which is in \Application Data\HTC\AudioManager_Eng\
Since you're considering a hard reset anyway, nothing to be lost from deleting this file (if it allows you to, you might have to shut down TF first) and letting the music player recreate it again.
Apologies in advance if a) this has been mentioned elsewhere b) it doesn't apply to WM6.5 any more, and c) it screws up the muisc player!

Thanks for the suggestion, i deleted the music database and it did no harm
When i launched TF3D music tab it took a while to rebuild the database but sadly it has not remmedied the problem

Does music play properly from TD2 internal storage? Might be a clue, if it does.
I know you didn't ask for the suggestion(!), but why not use a good but simple 3rd party app like Nitrogen? It loads very quickly, as though it was a "native" app, you can get skins which are very plain, black, with good album art. And it plays more formats too. I've honestly never been tempted back to the TF3D player since using it.

playing music from internal storage exhibits the same problem
playing music from 3rd party music app (core player) works correctly.

Getting closer to solving this, i hard reset my phone earlier but the problem persists.
So i delete all my music and add 1 album at a time.
so far no problems
I can only conclude either one of my tracks/albums is corrupted in some way and freezes TF3D when it reads the library OR there is a limit to how big your library can be. mine was over 12gig.
either way im gonna keep adding an album a time, reset phone then test until i find the bad album. when i do i will remove the bad album and try adding another, this should prove if its a size problem or just some bad file.

Plz keep us informed about ur progress in solving this problem
and No using 3d Pary Programs Like nitrogin or core player doesnt solve the problem

rumpleforeskin said:
Getting closer to solving this, i hard reset my phone earlier but the problem persists.
So i delete all my music and add 1 album at a time.
so far no problems
I can only conclude either one of my tracks/albums is corrupted in some way and freezes TF3D when it reads the library OR there is a limit to how big your library can be. mine was over 12gig.
either way im gonna keep adding an album a time, reset phone then test until i find the bad album. when i do i will remove the bad album and try adding another, this should prove if its a size problem or just some bad file.
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If everyone was as methodical, problems would get solved a lot quicker, you must be a scientist
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Harking back to my Cowon D2 experience, it took just one album to corrupt the database. It could be badly tagged, or the tags contained accented foreign characters which the player didn't like, and it would freeze the player. It's a pain in the posterior to find out which album is responsible
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Ok i have solved my problem (well found it)
There is 1 album in my collection that causes TF3D to Stop playing music when it tries to add the album to the database.
Im not sure why though!
All the tracks play fine in other players, all the ID3 data is legit and not containing any unusual characters and the bitrate is only 160 so its not too much for the phone to take.
When i get home i will rerip the album to mp3 and have another go.
I hope this thread may be of help to others with this trouble!
lesson here seems to be its not the software causing the problem but the media its trying to play, although the reason is not evident

Listen to music when device goes to sleep
When i listen to music it stops when the device goes to sleep. How do you keep listen to music when it goes to sleep?

jkolner said:
When i listen to music it stops when the device goes to sleep. How do you keep listen to music when it goes to sleep?
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search this forum for the word "music" im sure i seen a topic about this very problem

I had the same issue a while ago.
Turned out there was one album on my SD card (Lungs, by Florence and the Machine) that was causing the TouchFlo music player to stop playing any song. I removed that album and the problem went away.
I still have the album on my computer, doesn't seem to be anything unusual about it.

[Guide] How to add lyrics on stock music player

How to add lyrics on stock music player
1. Ready your lyrics and copy paste on notepad
2. Search for the song and right click it and choose properties (Make sure its in .mp3 format)
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There is no LYRICS tag in MP3 files for me. Is this Windows dependent? What version are you using?

technillion said:
There is no LYRICS tag in MP3 files for me. Is this Windows dependent? What version are you using?
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Yes this procedure does not work for me either.
The real problem is that Android does not natively read the ID3 lyrics tag. So, I put in a new feature request that would give Android the ability to read ULT and USLT ( lyrics ) ID3 tags. This will allow the native and 3rd party music players to display lyrics, like the iOS and Windows Phone players currently can.
If you want this feature in Android, please star the request below:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=32547

Add lyrics and artwork to a song - android music player
Try this method -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUhqOqi2N_I

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Try this method -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUhqOqi2N_I
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Does it's works?

I just use itunes
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I recommend using Miui music player or Minilyrics rather than the stock music player.
both free and on the net.

LyricsDog on google play adds lyrics to mp3 files, it's the easiest way.
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Is there any way to add lyrics with orginal music player, not with PC?
For example you download a music and wana add it's lyric simultanously.

Mecsad said:
Is there any way to add lyrics with orginal music player, not with PC?
For example you download a music and wana add it's lyric simultanously.
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Lyricsdog

thanks for the tip:good:

Try TuneWiki
TuneWiki can fetch lyrics and artwork online. It also has a basic tag editor. It has a pretty good database and a user community. You can edit the lyrics, change color, font, artwork,etc. It also has Song ID, like Shazaam.
But, the lyrics seem to be in a proprietary format and doesn't save to id3 lyrics tag. musiXmatch also seems good, but i couldn't test it as Google Play says it's incompatible wid my device.
It would have been better if there's an app that fetches metadata/tag info( including lyrics if possible) automatically from internet and save to music files. Do anybody know of such an app for Android?

Ugh musixmatch is a different app and it doesnt put lyrics on your mp3s..
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musiXmatch & MiniLyrics
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Ugh musixmatch is a different app and it doesnt put lyrics on your mp3s..
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It doesn't embed lyrics inside music files but it does show lyrics. It is similar to TuneWiki. These lyrics are synchronised too. But, the problem is that they don't save/embed lyrics with the music. It would have been better if they saved the lyrics in some format embedded or even as an external LRC for later use.
Minilyrics also seems to be good (For lyrics alone!). It claims to play both USLT( unsynchronised) and SYLT (synchronised) fields in ID3v2 tag and LRC. I don't know if the Android app can write tags( desktop one does). It's just a minimal player(even minimal than the stock player, i think) and doesn't have all the bells and whistles like the ones i mentioned above. If lyrics is your only thing go for it. But, i(and most others) want something which finds all the Album Art, metadata, and other Tag info. Anyway, the minilyrics app doesn't currently work in my device, says failed to read internet data. But, that's just me,i guess.

thanks a lot man it worked for me!!!

musiXmatch works as standalone app or just for Lyrics!
I'm using poweramp AND musiXmatch.
When I hear a Song musiXmatch shows me in Statusbar if there is a lyricsfile for it and when I tap on it it opens.
Poweramp plays in background and in opened musiXmatch I have the lyrics
For me MusiXmatch works very good, and if I didn't payed for PowerAmp I would just use musiXmatch like years before on PC!

Fix cover art in Musixmatch
I also have Poweramp and am using Musixmatch with it. When I open the Musixmatch app it has some how loaded pictures from my photo album as cover art and I didn't feel like paying Musixmatch to fix their problem so what I ended up doing is downloaded Cover Art Downloader from the playstore and it automatically found the right cover art and replaced the photos.

not working for windows 7!
when i earlier had windows xp i used to work with it...but after upgrading to windows 7 there is no such option! what should i do??? please help! i even tried tag scanner and more such apps ...but the song dosent opens after add the lyrics to it! help pleaseeee...!!!

Didn't work
It didn't work. I m using windows XP SP3. There is no lyrics category in properties of mp3 file....!!!

Thanks! It works for a new songs and for some it doesn't. But lyrics are available for the music I normally listen. So, happy!.

[Q] How to stop Bluetooth from auto-playing on connection?

The moment I get in my car, it starts playing "Life is Good" or other pre-loaded crappy music that's on my phone. How do I stop this?
I know that if I have any other music on my phone's storage, it will start playing that instead but I prefer to use streaming music and it's really annoying that I have to stop it every single time.

Wow that sounds horrible lol. If I had to guess, it would probably be that it's playing the flac files located in Preload/LG seeing as 01_Life_Is_Good.flac is the name the first file. Maybe try moving those up a level or two or rename them to .bak
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That's strange. Mine doesn't play anything until i tell it to. Does the car have a menu option auto play? I assume you prob messed around with it already.
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Mine doesn't automatically play either. Ford Sync, Malladus 1.2.2 ROM, Verizon device.
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Some love it but I personally think it is one of the useless feature in car.

I don't think there is any option on vehicle but I will check. It is setup as if it hits play as soon as it establishes connection.
I moved them out of LG Preload folder but music player stills finds them. If player finds them, BT will still auto play them. I will just delete them to stop this. However it doesn't solve the problem which will return when I add any other music to my phone, in that case that will start playing.
I will check around car forums.
Thanks for confirming this is not Android related issue.
Sent from my LG-D800

Auto play is a feature of A2DP just as auto connect is. There is mostly likely a setting somewhere in the vehicle's system to shut it off. If not, well then just remember, life's good...

You could remove the preloaded music files, cant play them if they arent there. I also use the app Bluetooth connect and play. It starts any app you want when a specific bluetooth connection is made.

This happened to me, it was google music, or play music, whatever your default music player is usually does this. Sometimes its poweramp, or other.. but usually it was google music for me. IN music settings, turn off bluetooth or auto connect.

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You could remove the preloaded music files, cant play them if they arent there. I also use the app Bluetooth connect and play. It starts any app you want when a specific bluetooth connection is made.
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But I want to keep some music files in my phone - eventually..
What I need is the way to hide music files from Music Player unless I play them back using something like ES Explorer or other file manager, or until I browse in Music app.
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This happened to me, it was google music, or play music, whatever your default music player is usually does this. Sometimes its poweramp, or other.. but usually it was google music for me. IN music settings, turn off bluetooth or auto connect.
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I can't find Music Settings, is it in the app or general settings somewhere?
If I turn off Bluetooth or auto connect then will I still be able to play streaming music? I really don't mind if I can disable auto play or bluetooth streaming for Music Player or Google Play Music since I probably will never stream stored music from my phone via bluetooth, all of my stored music is generally duplicated on my car anyway..
Another way to solve this issue would be to assign another dummy Music player as default music player, and when it runs it won't be able to find music that's stored on the phone.

Open up google music, then go to settings or menu and look for the autoconnect and or blue tooth settings and disable. It only disables Bluetooth for that app. BT will work other wise.

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Auto play is a feature of A2DP just as auto connect is. There is mostly likely a setting somewhere in the vehicle's system to shut it off. If not, well then just remember, life's good...
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It's better when it is not forced on you by a few kids in Vienna Choir... Maybe I should put a random file with silence like 5 minute mp3 file of silence.. It won't help if I listen to something else and then turn the music player off because when I come back it won't go back to the 1st song, it will resume playback from where it left off, so still, just a temp ghetto fix won't really help.
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Open up google music, then go to settings or menu and look for the autoconnect and or blue tooth settings and disable. It only disables Bluetooth for that app. BT will work other wise.
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I believe you are referring to Play Music? It has no settings at all.
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yup they changed the menu and options, very weird, it used to be an option in there.

ars0n said:
yup they changed the menu and options, very weird, it used to be an option in there.
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Which music app are you using? I can just downgrade or use 3rd party music player that has option to disable autoplay or bluetooth connection, and then set that music app as my default app, and give that a try in the car.
I am pretty sure vehicle hits Play as soon as Bluetooth or "D800" is selected as source on my dash radio.
PS: I wonder if we should move this thread into a regular Android discussion area, looks like this is not specific to LG G2..

hydeah said:
Which music app are you using? I can just downgrade or use 3rd party music player that has option to disable autoplay or bluetooth connection, and then set that music app as my default app, and give that a try in the car.
I am pretty sure vehicle hits Play as soon as Bluetooth or "D800" is selected as source on my dash radio.
PS: I wonder if we should move this thread into a regular Android discussion area, looks like this is not specific to LG G2..
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I use pandora mostly, but poweramp is my default player and has been for sometime. There are some options under the connections for BT to turn off auto play and other BT streaming options in there as well. MY car also auto connects but there is something on the phone telling it to start playing, and or something has the life is good set to your notification? so when you do connect it plays that sound as a notification?

ars0n said:
yup they changed the menu and options, very weird, it used to be an option in there.
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ars0n said:
I use pandora mostly, but poweramp is my default player and has been for sometime. There are some options under the connections for BT to turn off auto play and other BT streaming options in there as well. MY car also auto connects but there is something on the phone telling it to start playing, and or something has the life is good set to your notification? so when you do connect it plays that sound as a notification?
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Nope, Life is Good is the 1st song. If I remove that then it will start playing 2nd song. It is actually playing using media player, so it is not notification. So if I delete all Vienna Choir stuff, it won't have anything to play, if I add Led Zeppelin, it will start playing the Led, more bearable, but still annoying..
Does poweramp have the option? I will try it.
If we could find a way to block Music Player from Bluetooth access controls, that would also work, but there is no such setting in 4.2.
OK, I installed Poweramp, set it as Default player, disabled Resume on Bluetooth and then stopped Music Player related services, we'll see what happens now.

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It didn't work. I tried poweramp and even with that as default player, I got LG music start playback. I had the option unchecked in poweramp .
Sent from my LG-D800

hydeah said:
Update:
It didn't work. I tried poweramp and even with that as default player, I got LG music start playback. I had the option unchecked in poweramp .
Sent from my LG-D800
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have you tried this? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cp2.bluetooth.connect.and.stop.play

dankoman said:
have you tried this? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cp2.bluetooth.connect.and.stop.play
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Looks great, I moved to Blackberry Z30 for the time being but I will definitely try this with G2 so I know there can be something that can finally put a stop to this annoyance.
Thanks.

hydeah said:
Looks great, I moved to Blackberry Z30 for the time being but I will definitely try this with G2 so I know there can be something that can finally put a stop to this annoyance.
Thanks.
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its google music, same annoything happened to me all the time until i uninstalled google music all together and it stopped. its definitely nothing in the car bluetooth settings so dont go fiddling around with that .