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Hello. In 2013, the HTC One M7 and the Xperia Z (Z0) were released parallel to the S4.
After half a year, the Galaxy Note 3 was released.
I wonder, if the Galaxy Note 3 has HDR-Video.
The S5 does have it. And Note 4 too.
I can switch to HDR Mode and record a video. But I am not sure, whether there is a difference.
Does the Note 3 have HDR-Video?
If so, how to enable it?
First of all true HDR was developed for still cameras long time ago and it works by combining usually 3 separate pictures shot at different exposures to create one with higher dynamic range, than the sensor is capable off. I'm not sure how it would be possible to shot 3 frames and combine them into 1, all inside at most 1/30 sec, maybe at low resolution, but no way at anything close to max resolution. So whatever they are doing, I don't think they are doing true HDR. Now, specifically HTC has low resolution camera sensor (4mb? compared to 12 MB Note3), which has higher dynamic range to begin with (due to larger photo sensor size) and therefore I think can use other tricks, to make it look like HDR. However when I looked at videos from HTC posted around web, I wasn't impressed that much either. Anyhow, I don't think Note3 can do HDR video and I don't see any difference either.
I'm planning to buy Mi A1 in February. Since A1 is Snapdragon powered device in theory it's capable of SD goodies. It has slightly higher octa-core CPU(5X has hexa-core) and GPU clock speed, expandable storage and also have 4 GB of RAM unlike 5X that has 2 GB. I think it will be highly noticable in multitasking. Is there a huge deference (if any) between disabled and forced enabled Camera2API in photos? I'm worried because of it. Enabling Camera2API allows us to use Google camera from what I've heard.
Can someone post photos in different environments to let me compare them with my 5X, that would be grateful.
Hope Xiaomi release source code for this device before February, custom ROMs are "kill features for me".
If it's a bad choice tell me why.
not a major upgrade since 5x still has a support by google, camera is better, community is better since it's google,
Mi A1 released months ago but there is no source, You can't tell if this phone is interested from developers. The safe bet is to wait for a couple more weeks, maybe a month but this is just my opinion. You still can't go wrong to buy this phone. On 11.11 aliexpress will sell this phone for $184 + free shipping. this is insane price.
There's no noticeable difference in 6 or 8 cores, but difference between 2 and 4 GB of RAM is pretty huge.
I made 2 photos, one with stock Camera app(using HDR) and Google Camera app(using HDR+), I tried to make 2 exact same photos. First one is using Google Camera, second one is using stock Camera app: https://photos.app.goo.gl/VVaKFtKlq2ZNOtbz2
Also, kernel sources will be definitely released to public, question is when.
Compare with N5x, camera mia1 damn suck :v
matcho13579 said:
There's no noticeable difference in 6 or 8 cores, but difference between 2 and 4 GB of RAM is pretty huge.
I made 2 photos, one with stock Camera app(using HDR) and Google Camera app(using HDR+), I tried to make 2 exact same photos. First one is using Google Camera, second one is using stock Camera app: https://photos.app.goo.gl/VVaKFtKlq2ZNOtbz2
Also, kernel sources will be definitely released to public, question is when.
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Thanks but can you take photos other than your leg lol. Does ZSL work? As in HDR+ works without loading spinner. I would super appreciate it if you can show us some night shots with HDR+
I've just migrated from N5X to A1 and so far I'm impressed. I was afraid of slightly bigger screen, but got used to it after few hours and now 5.2" feels "small" For me the main differences:
1. 4GB RAM, multitasking is working as expected, no more unfinished HDR photos, no more launcher crashes, ..
2. CPU is much more responsive, doesn't overheat and throttle. I wasn't able to keep up big cores of N5X on long enough, they were shut down very often to keep the temeperature down.
3. A1 is faster overal, app installations took half the time of N5X
4. Stock A1 photos in low light are not very impressive. However simple mod brings gcam (so far I like the simplest version the most) with its HDR+ which does pretty much the same job as on N5X with faster processing.
5. I am not interested in custom ROMs, but A1 is limited at this for the time being
6. A1 has shameful headphones hissing noise, especially with sensitive low impedance headphones. To be fair, N5X has similar issue, however solved easily with custom kernel and lowering the headphone gain. Once Xiaomi releases kernel sources, I expect this issue to be solved in the same way too.
7. Build quality is better on A1, however it is bigger and heavier phone. Better feeling, but a bit less pocket friendly..
8. ZSL HDR works, but with same mixed results as on N5X - bunch of my test photos were blurred. Never had this issue with forced HDR mode, so I'm using it exclusively. Spinner doesn't bother me, at least I know I should keep phone steady
9. A/B partitioning is super nice for seamless updates, but I experienced some issues with Magisk. After failed installation of some modules, Magisk image probably got corrupted and I had to remove it completely and install it again without such modules. Took a bit of trial and error, but I have fully systemless rooted and modded (build.prop tweaks) phone now.
10. Oreo vs Nougat - I miss only really fast boot times and easy use of substratum. Otherwise no big loss in my eyes.
11. attached crops of test comparison photos (Stock HDR enhanced N5X vs. Gcam HDR enhanced A1). Please note that I was able to achieve sharper results with A1, but this is the only photo which I have taken with N5X as well. And there are no legs
TehGooner said:
Thanks but can you take photos other than your leg lol. Does ZSL work? As in HDR+ works without loading spinner. I would super appreciate it if you can show us some night shots with HDR+
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I was in the work, so that was the most I could do at that moment xD But you can see pretty big difference between them.
I will make 2 more photos when it's evening here and will post it.
I switched to A1 from op3. Obviously it was a forced switch as there was multiple failure in op3.
Both the phones have their own upper hands and the most I miss from op3 is the super amoled screen. Low light camera in op3 was better but then A1 has portrait mode. Looks wise A1 is not less than op3. As of now, the phone doesn't feel slower to me in daily use as compared to op3.
@TehGooner
Try to guess which photo is taken with Google Camera app: https://photos.app.goo.gl/TKD0zxZZcdPLu2WJ3
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@TehGooner
Try to guess which photo is taken with Google Camera app: https://photos.app.goo.gl/TKD0zxZZcdPLu2WJ3
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Damn it's really good.
matcho13579 said:
@TehGooner
Try to guess which photo is taken with Google Camera app: https://photos.app.goo.gl/TKD0zxZZcdPLu2WJ3
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This makes me feel good about buying A1
Can't wait to get Gcam, waiting for Oreo first before rooting.
Sent from my Mi A1 using Tapatalk
I switched, and the phone is better daily driver. No lags or overheating, no more app closing because of memory running out. Does not have nfc but used only once on my Nexus. Mi remote is a cool feature though. Portrait shots are really good in daylight, and modded Google camera works great. What I don't like is that the phone should have launched with Oreo out of the box, or it should have got Oreo by now. There are no cool features like night light and life to check gestures, no double tap to check notification (this feature is present in redmi note 4, which has similar hardware). Android one seems more like a marketing strategy now.
Coming from a Nexus 5X, Mi A1 really is an upgrade. It's like having a more premium phone than Pixel devices since the device feels like an iPhone but with stock android. 4GB ram and SD625-14nm.
Is there any way to achieve higher exposure times? Other phones with similar camera sensor (sony imx298) like OnePlus 3t, Asus Zenfone 3, Xiaomi mi 5 etc. allow longer exposure time, up to 32 sec, but for our phone it seems that it is limited at 0.6 sec. Is there any camera app or lib mod to bypass our phone exposure limit? Thanks in advance!
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Is there any way to achieve higher exposure times? Other phones with similar camera sensor (sony imx298) like OnePlus 3t, Asus Zenfone 3, Xiaomi mi 5 etc. allow longer exposure time, up to 32 sec, but for our phone it seems that it is limited at 0.6 sec. Is there any camera app or lib mod to bypass our phone exposure limit? Thanks in advance!
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Set whichever camera that you prefer as the default then install Long Exposure Camera 2
Get the step by step here : https://android.gadgethacks.com/how...os-fireworks-with-your-android-phone-0155508/
Finally, once you have taken an amazing shot comeback here as post it to show thanks.
Enjoy!
Hello Guys,
i have the Problem that no App can make Pictures with 48MP Resolution.
I had to wait for 196 hours until the Mi-tool has unlocked my Fon. It is an insolence from xiaomi imposing such a compulsory break to the customer. Some of the older Redmi Customers must wait 1440 hours, i had read. But i say nothing, the Price for the Hardware i bought is good
So i tested the Fon for 196 hours and the Pictures i made with 48MP they were very good an big (14-18 MB/jpg File).
Since i installed TWRP 3.2.x.x and Ressurretion (RR 7.0.2 from 29th Aug.) since then i can make Pictures with maximum 12 MP (3000 x 4000, 5-7 MB/jpg File). There is no way to make higher Resolution. It doesn´t matter witch Cam App i use.
I have not found any Kind of fix or People that has the same Problem.
I am not sure if i have installed the right OS. I installed RR-P-v7.0.2-20190829-lavender-Official because i had read that lavender is the right Software for Snapdragon 660 and Adreno 512 GPU.
violet is not the right one, isn´t it?
Questions over questions..............i hope you can help me.
Sorry for my bad english !
Best regards from Germany
48mpx photos can only be captured with MIUI Camera which is available only on MIUI rom. For custom roms there is Miui camera port called ANX camera 48mpx works but pictures arent as good.
Thank you for you´re help. Now i am Happy
.........ANX camera 48mpx works but pictures arent as good.
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Who has tell you this? It isn´t the Truth.
The Pictures with 48MP (8000 x 6000) look very good. I can´t show you Pics because i can´t Post attachements and i can´t post external Pic-Links.
The Pictures has a Size over 10 MB, and on the PC they look really good!
The Files i installed with TWRP are:
- ANXCameraMagisk_94.ComfortableMulticoloredNoctule.zip
- ANXCamera94_48MpFixed.zip (this Thread is helping you)
After the installation you have the App "ANXCamera", start it and be happy
Redmi Note 7 doesn't have a real 48MP sensor. It's 12MP (primary sensor). That's why third-party apps only offers you 12Mp as the max resolution.
The camera software (Stock ROM) applies a binning effect (technology), combining 4 pixels into 1 (big). Then, the software resizes the image to generate an equivalent image as 48MP (size), from a 12MP.
If you take a look at the specifications of the CPU (SoC) the device uses, it doesn't allow cameras with higher resolution than 25Mp. So, Xiaomi, and other brands too, needed to use this technology to allow the device to generate "virtual" 48MP images.
If you want to take good photos, I would recommend you to go for cameras (not compact if possible), not smartphones. As their sensors are much bigger, so better quality and light they can capture. Sorry.
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Redmi Note 7 doesn't have a real 48MP sensor. It's 12MP (primary sensor). That's why third-party apps only offers you 12Mp as the max resolution.
The camera software (Stock ROM) applies a binning effect (technology), combining 4 pixels into 1 (big). Then, the software resizes the image to generate an equivalent image as 48MP (size), from a 12MP.
If you take a look at the specifications of the CPU (SoC) the device uses, it doesn't allow cameras with higher resolution than 25Mp. So, Xiaomi, and other brands too, needed to use this technology to allow the device to generate "virtual" 48MP images.
If you want to take good photos, I would recommend you to go for cameras (not compact if possible), not smartphones. As their sensors are much bigger, so better quality and light they can capture. Sorry.
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That is not real. Indian RN7 has 12mp Sony sensor but chinese Redmi Note 7 has Samsung GM1 48mp Isocell, so there are 48 million physical pixels BUT in Quad Bayer arrangement (4 pixels are in the same red, green and blue filter), technically you can shoot 48MP photos in stock camera and YES, the soc (SDM660) allow 48mp photos in normal mode, not in ZSL (Zero Shutter Lag), photos in 48mp looks sharper in bright conditions (i tested that) and contains high noise levels on low light, anyway that 48mp are not the same as a 48mp regular bayer filter.
I hope this helps, i could be wrong. You can find [Samsung GM1 48MP] and [SDM660] specs on google.
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There! Something just happened! Did you take a picture of it? Rate this thread to express how fast the Google Pixel 5 can go from "zero to picture". A higher rating indicates that launching the camera app and taking a photo is extremely fast such that you never miss an important moment, like when your cat attacks the couch again.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lr4KUwf2e6E&t=10s
0:10 "Photo processing time without dedicated Pixel/Neural Core. I would like to see the processing time for a NightSight photo vs. Pixel 4."
According to this article, there is no need for the neural core, as the 765G has its own Computer Vision Image Signal Processor and a Hexagon-DSP: https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-5-snapdragon-765g-1163847/
"Given that the Pixel 5 doesn’t include Google’s in-house Pixel Neural Core, it’s probably safe to assume that the 765G offers all the performance Google needs to run its Night Mode, HDR+, Super Res Zoom, and various voice features." - I hope so. Maybe Google simply wanted to keep the price down?
The 4a 5G will process HDR+/NightSight as fast as the Pixel 5, if the Neural Core is no longer needed!
NightSight processing speed without dedicated Neural Core in "Pixel 5 - Quick speed test (Software & Camera)" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VOsBFNwOSuw&t=55s
SGH-i200 said:
NightSight processing speed without dedicated Neural Core in "Pixel 5 - Quick speed test (Software & Camera)" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VOsBFNwOSuw&t=55s
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I was a little worried that the camera might be slower than my 3XL, but based on this video it should be about the same.
SGH-i200 said:
NightSight processing speed without dedicated Neural Core in "Pixel 5 - Quick speed test (Software & Camera)" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VOsBFNwOSuw&t=55s
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That is certainly noticeably slower than my Pixel 2 XL.
jimv1983 said:
That is certainly noticeably slower than my Pixel 2 XL.
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I don't know what you are doing on yours but my 2XL certainly takes longer for night sight pictures
Benjamin_L said:
I don't know what you are doing on yours but my 2XL certainly takes longer for night sight pictures
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My Pixel 2 XL does both night sight and just regular HDR pictures faster than what the video of the Pixel 5 shows. It's a very noticeable difference.
It makes sense considering the Snapdragon 765 is only slightly better than the Snapdragon 835 in some ways and actually worse in some ways and the Pixel 5 doesn't have the Pixel Visual Core or Pixel Neural Core like previous Pixels had that helped image processing.
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My Pixel 2 XL does both night sight and just regular HDR pictures faster than what the video of the Pixel 5 shows. It's a very noticeable difference.
It makes sense considering the Snapdragon 765 is only slightly better than the Snapdragon 835 in some ways and actually worse in some ways and the Pixel 5 doesn't have the Pixel Visual Core or Pixel Neural Core like previous Pixels had that helped image processing.
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But the 765G has AI included so you can't say the PNC make the 2XL faster, as the same calculations can now be performed in the cpu at roughly the same speed or maybe faster. Also single and multicore performance is higher so I would doubt it's slower than the 2XL. It also depends a lot on the lighting conditions and if they are not good my 2XL is certainly slower than in the video.
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But the 765G has AI included so you can't say the PNC make the 2XL faster, as the same calculations can now be performed in the cpu at roughly the same speed or maybe faster. Also single and multicore performance is higher so I would doubt it's slower than the 2XL. It also depends a lot on the lighting conditions and if they are not good my 2XL is certainly slower than in the video.
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That video showed several pictures being taken not just night sight. When he went to view the picture you can see the progress on processing the picture. My Pixel 2 XL does that noticably faster. A lot of it happens in the background so not a huge deal but the difference certainly is noticable.
I'm not sure what you are talking about but the Snapdragon 765G does not have the Pixel Visual Core or Pixel Neural Core type of processing built in. That was very specific Google hardware designed to be optimized for the very specific purpose of computational photography. The Pixel 5 is certainly at a disadvantage there. Also, benchmarks don't mean much for real world usage. If you really want to get a good idea of what the Pixel 5 performance will be watch some reviews of the OnePlus Nord which has the same processor and is almost stock Android. That doesn't necessarily mean the Pixel 5 will be as slow as the OnePlus Nord due to software differences but it certainly will be close.
My Pixel 2 XL battery life is getting pretty bad and it will be losing updates after December so it's time to get something new. I didn't want to lose that pure Google software experience so I decided to give the Pixel 5 a shot but if the performance is as poor as the One Plus Nord I'll be returning it. The slower photo processing is something I can live with.
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I'm not sure what you are talking about but the Snapdragon 765G does not have the Pixel Visual Core or Pixel Neural Core type of processing built in. That was very specific Google hardware designed to be optimized for the very specific purpose of computational photography. The Pixel 5 is certainly at a disadvantage there.
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The PNC is just a co-processor for machine learning/AI stuff. The 765G has similar AI TOPS as the pvc/pnc so a dedicated co-processor is not needed anymore. I don't know why people are going crazy about redundant hardware:
https://m.gsmarena.com/the_new_pixe...nt_mean_they_lack_the_features-news-45589.php
Benjamin_L said:
The PNC is just a co-processor for machine learning/AI stuff. The 765G has similar AI TOPS as the pvc/pnc so a dedicated co-processor is not needed anymore. I don't know why people are going crazy about redundant hardware:
https://m.gsmarena.com/the_new_pixe...nt_mean_they_lack_the_features-news-45589.php
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The PVC and PNC were very specialized and optimized for a specific purpose. The co-processor of the 765G is more genetic. I guess that's better than nothing but it's not going to give you the same benefits as the specialized cores. If the genetic co-processor was good enough then the co-processor in the SD 855 in the Pixel 4, which is better than the co-processor in the SD 765, would have made the Pixel Neural Core in the Pixel 4 totally unnecessary.
There have already been reviews showing the camera app and the dual manual exposure controls that were in the Pixel 4 are missing which is likely due to not having the PNC.
It's unclear by the videos that have come out of the Pixel 5 has live HDR view but considering the fact that the Pixel 3 had a SD 845 (which is pretty comparable to the 765G) and the PVC but not the PNC and couldn't handle live HDR view and dual exposure controls I think it's probably likely that the Pixel 5 doesn't have either feature.
To summarize, SD 845 (which is better than the 765G) + PVC = Can't support HDR live view or dual exposure controls. That means 765G = No HDR live view or dual exposure controls.
So obviously the PNC is a big loss.
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The PVC and PNC were very specialized and optimized for a specific purpose. The co-processor of the 765G is more genetic. I guess that's better than nothing but it's not going to give you the same benefits as the specialized cores. If the genetic co-processor was good enough then the co-processor in the SD 855 in the Pixel 4, which is better than the co-processor in the SD 765, would have made the Pixel Neural Core in the Pixel 4 totally unnecessary.
There have already been reviews showing the camera app and the dual manual exposure controls that were in the Pixel 4 are missing which is likely due to not having the PNC.
It's unclear by the videos that have come out of the Pixel 5 has live HDR view but considering the fact that the Pixel 3 had a SD 845 (which is pretty comparable to the 765G) and the PVC but not the PNC and couldn't handle live HDR view and dual exposure controls I think it's probably likely that the Pixel 5 doesn't have either feature.
To summarize, SD 845 (which is better than the 765G) + PVC = Can't support HDR live view or dual exposure controls. That means 765G = No HDR live view or dual exposure controls.
So obviously the PNC is a big loss.
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What are you even talking about. Even the 4a has dual exposure and live hdr making all your points void. The PNC was used to support face unlock in the 4 as it was most likely very demanding to be quick. There are years of development between the 835 and the 765G. You just can't say as single or multi core performance is comparable they have the same features. Maybe do some research first
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What are you even talking about. Even the 4a has dual exposure and live hdr making all your points void. The PNC was used to support face unlock in the 4 as it was most likely very demanding to be quick. There are years of development between the 835 and the 765G. You just can't say as single or multi core performance is comparable they have the same features. Maybe do some research first
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I didn't compare to the 835 I compared to the 845. The 765G falls somewhere between the 835 and 845 in performance and capabilities. The Pixel 3, with the 845 with the PVC couldn't handle live HDR or the dual exposure controls. That's why the features weren't on the Pixel 3. That was in a statement from Google.
Snapdragon 845 + Pixel Visual Core > Snapdragon 765G. So to say that the Pixel 5, which has worse processors than the Pixel 3 can do things that the Pixel 3 can't do is just a lack of common sense.
If the Pixel 5 does have those features with a worse chip than the 845 and no PNC then why didn't the Pixel 3 have those features? Did Google lie?
Also, if the dual exposure controls are available on the Pixel 5 then why are the sliders used to control that feature missing from the camera app?
Here is a picture of the camera app of the Pixel 4 and Pixel 5. Notice that the Pixel 4 has the exposure controls while the Pixel 5 does not.
You cant judge the camera on the Pixel 5 initial hands on. It is clearly not final software. reviewers have mentioned not all features are present. Hence the embargo from Google. They do not want reviews based on incomplete software.
You can't seriously believe the 5 will not get a feature the 4a has. It's even mentioned on the compare pixel devices website.
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You cant judge the camera on the Pixel 5 initial hands on. It is clearly not final software. reviewers have mentioned not all features are present. Hence the embargo from Google. They do not want reviews based on incomplete software.
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I don't think the embargo is because of unfinished software but let's say that's true. Do you you really think software that close to final would be that much slower than any update that might be available the first time you turn it on? The image processing in those hands on videos is so much slower than what I'm getting on my Pixel 2 XL that it's clearly obvious. Any software improvements would have to speed up image processing by close to double for the Pixel 5 to process images faster than my Pixel 2 XL does not.
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You can't seriously believe the 5 will not get a feature the 4a has. It's even mentioned on the compare pixel devices website.
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So I guess they must have moved the exposure controls somewhere else? As you can see in the screen shots I posted the Pixel 4 XL has the exposure sliders but in the other picture those sliders are clearly not there.
Also, as I already mentioned it would mean that Google wasn't being honest when it gave the reason why those features weren't added to the Pixel 3.
I guess we'll find out soon enough. It's delivery day for many UK buyers
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I don't think the embargo is because of unfinished software but let's say that's true. Do you you really think software that close to final would be that much slower than any update that might be available the first time you turn it on? The image processing in those hands on videos is so much slower than what I'm getting on my Pixel 2 XL that it's clearly obvious. Any software improvements would have to speed up image processing by close to double for the Pixel 5 to process images faster than my Pixel 2 XL does not.
So I guess they must have moved the exposure controls somewhere else? As you can see in the screen shots I posted the Pixel 4 XL has the exposure sliders but in the other picture those sliders are clearly not there.
Also, as I already mentioned it would mean that Google wasn't being honest when it gave the reason why those features weren't added to the Pixel 3.
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Just received the phone - I can confirm exposure control is present out of the box. There is an update to the camera app pending also.
Speed of processing is very similar to my Pixel 2 XL.
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Just received the phone - I can confirm exposure control is present out of the box. There is an update to the camera app pending also.
Speed of processing is very similar to my Pixel 2 XL.
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Was there an update as soon as you set it up? Are the exposure controls moved somewhere else compared to the Pixel 4? Did you have to enable them in settings? I didn't see that option in videos of the camera settings but the videos didn't show the advanced settings. Maybe they just have to be enabled.
I'm just trying to figure out why all the videos I've seen of the Pixel 4/Pixel 4 XL show the sliders but all the videos of the Pixel 5 have the sliders missing.
So I guess Google was lying about why the Pixel 3 didn't get live HDR view and dual exposure controls. That's interesting.
The exposure controls are there without having to turn them on. The sliders appear when you tap on the screen to set your focus. Not sure if that is different to 4/XL.
The camera app update is available as soon as you set up the phone. This made some tweaks to the UI and I think the different stabilisation modes including cinematic pan.