I'm planning to buy Mi A1 in February. Since A1 is Snapdragon powered device in theory it's capable of SD goodies. It has slightly higher octa-core CPU(5X has hexa-core) and GPU clock speed, expandable storage and also have 4 GB of RAM unlike 5X that has 2 GB. I think it will be highly noticable in multitasking. Is there a huge deference (if any) between disabled and forced enabled Camera2API in photos? I'm worried because of it. Enabling Camera2API allows us to use Google camera from what I've heard.
Can someone post photos in different environments to let me compare them with my 5X, that would be grateful.
Hope Xiaomi release source code for this device before February, custom ROMs are "kill features for me".
If it's a bad choice tell me why.
not a major upgrade since 5x still has a support by google, camera is better, community is better since it's google,
Mi A1 released months ago but there is no source, You can't tell if this phone is interested from developers. The safe bet is to wait for a couple more weeks, maybe a month but this is just my opinion. You still can't go wrong to buy this phone. On 11.11 aliexpress will sell this phone for $184 + free shipping. this is insane price.
There's no noticeable difference in 6 or 8 cores, but difference between 2 and 4 GB of RAM is pretty huge.
I made 2 photos, one with stock Camera app(using HDR) and Google Camera app(using HDR+), I tried to make 2 exact same photos. First one is using Google Camera, second one is using stock Camera app: https://photos.app.goo.gl/VVaKFtKlq2ZNOtbz2
Also, kernel sources will be definitely released to public, question is when.
Compare with N5x, camera mia1 damn suck :v
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There's no noticeable difference in 6 or 8 cores, but difference between 2 and 4 GB of RAM is pretty huge.
I made 2 photos, one with stock Camera app(using HDR) and Google Camera app(using HDR+), I tried to make 2 exact same photos. First one is using Google Camera, second one is using stock Camera app: https://photos.app.goo.gl/VVaKFtKlq2ZNOtbz2
Also, kernel sources will be definitely released to public, question is when.
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Thanks but can you take photos other than your leg lol. Does ZSL work? As in HDR+ works without loading spinner. I would super appreciate it if you can show us some night shots with HDR+
I've just migrated from N5X to A1 and so far I'm impressed. I was afraid of slightly bigger screen, but got used to it after few hours and now 5.2" feels "small" For me the main differences:
1. 4GB RAM, multitasking is working as expected, no more unfinished HDR photos, no more launcher crashes, ..
2. CPU is much more responsive, doesn't overheat and throttle. I wasn't able to keep up big cores of N5X on long enough, they were shut down very often to keep the temeperature down.
3. A1 is faster overal, app installations took half the time of N5X
4. Stock A1 photos in low light are not very impressive. However simple mod brings gcam (so far I like the simplest version the most) with its HDR+ which does pretty much the same job as on N5X with faster processing.
5. I am not interested in custom ROMs, but A1 is limited at this for the time being
6. A1 has shameful headphones hissing noise, especially with sensitive low impedance headphones. To be fair, N5X has similar issue, however solved easily with custom kernel and lowering the headphone gain. Once Xiaomi releases kernel sources, I expect this issue to be solved in the same way too.
7. Build quality is better on A1, however it is bigger and heavier phone. Better feeling, but a bit less pocket friendly..
8. ZSL HDR works, but with same mixed results as on N5X - bunch of my test photos were blurred. Never had this issue with forced HDR mode, so I'm using it exclusively. Spinner doesn't bother me, at least I know I should keep phone steady
9. A/B partitioning is super nice for seamless updates, but I experienced some issues with Magisk. After failed installation of some modules, Magisk image probably got corrupted and I had to remove it completely and install it again without such modules. Took a bit of trial and error, but I have fully systemless rooted and modded (build.prop tweaks) phone now.
10. Oreo vs Nougat - I miss only really fast boot times and easy use of substratum. Otherwise no big loss in my eyes.
11. attached crops of test comparison photos (Stock HDR enhanced N5X vs. Gcam HDR enhanced A1). Please note that I was able to achieve sharper results with A1, but this is the only photo which I have taken with N5X as well. And there are no legs
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Thanks but can you take photos other than your leg lol. Does ZSL work? As in HDR+ works without loading spinner. I would super appreciate it if you can show us some night shots with HDR+
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I was in the work, so that was the most I could do at that moment xD But you can see pretty big difference between them.
I will make 2 more photos when it's evening here and will post it.
I switched to A1 from op3. Obviously it was a forced switch as there was multiple failure in op3.
Both the phones have their own upper hands and the most I miss from op3 is the super amoled screen. Low light camera in op3 was better but then A1 has portrait mode. Looks wise A1 is not less than op3. As of now, the phone doesn't feel slower to me in daily use as compared to op3.
@TehGooner
Try to guess which photo is taken with Google Camera app: https://photos.app.goo.gl/TKD0zxZZcdPLu2WJ3
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Try to guess which photo is taken with Google Camera app: https://photos.app.goo.gl/TKD0zxZZcdPLu2WJ3
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Damn it's really good.
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Try to guess which photo is taken with Google Camera app: https://photos.app.goo.gl/TKD0zxZZcdPLu2WJ3
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This makes me feel good about buying A1
Can't wait to get Gcam, waiting for Oreo first before rooting.
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I switched, and the phone is better daily driver. No lags or overheating, no more app closing because of memory running out. Does not have nfc but used only once on my Nexus. Mi remote is a cool feature though. Portrait shots are really good in daylight, and modded Google camera works great. What I don't like is that the phone should have launched with Oreo out of the box, or it should have got Oreo by now. There are no cool features like night light and life to check gestures, no double tap to check notification (this feature is present in redmi note 4, which has similar hardware). Android one seems more like a marketing strategy now.
Coming from a Nexus 5X, Mi A1 really is an upgrade. It's like having a more premium phone than Pixel devices since the device feels like an iPhone but with stock android. 4GB ram and SD625-14nm.
Related
So I was really considering on buying the 5s but now thinking is it really worth it?
They are boasting about the camera but they removed OIS! IR blaster though that's not a deal breaker. Guess camera is the highlight really
Here's a decent video https://youtu.be/ffO30N8OxtM
I'm actually contemplating about the same choice. I almost bought Mi 5 Prime with 3GB RAM, but was a bit hesitant because of the following things:
Mi 5 is one of the easiest bend-breakable phones so you need some sturdy case to mitigate bend break problem
(un)availability of custom ROMs as I don't think I'd like running MIUI on the long run. I would rather put some as vanilla as possible OS on it
Ordering from China is a bit risky
But in the meantime Mi 5S came out and I really like that it has aluminium back and upgraded processor although I'm not sure whether there's significant performance difference between the two. But if I do buy myself Mi 5S, I'll likely have to wait for a longer time before I'll be able to get some vanilla Android on it. Pixel is just too crazy expensive.
I guess I'll wait a bit until we get some feedback from the community to see how well this device is built and performs.
Just my 2 cents:
1) OIS on the Mi5s is not available for the sensor atm, might be, "might be" due to its large sensor. (As Google Pixel phones do not have OIS as well)
-On the bright side, the DIS works like a charm :3
2) If you want to get yourself "Daydream VR ready", do get the Mi5s as the Snapdragon 821 supports it~ (even though the performance increase is not skyrocket high)
3) After watching several videos from Youtube about Mi5 and Mi5s, camera performance is in fact increased for the Mi5s.
-However, low light scenario based pictures and videos would have varying results I suppose.
-Since it uses the same sensor as Google Pixel but not as great as Google Pixel's camera quality, future updates "might" be able to increase the Mi5s camera performance. (Or maybe even custom ROMs).
4) From what I heard on chinese Mi5s reviews/hands on, the ultrasonic fingerprint reader's performance may vary. Might be due to its 'newborn' nature (it is a new tech, so optimisation might not be optimal).
5) Like what literadesign mentioned, the Mi5 surely is a "bendable" phone. I assume that Mi5s alloy body would have make it less bendable. (Hard to say, do not just buy it to try its bendable level lel)
In the end, it is all about your choice~
Damn, didn't know the mi5 bends easy. The mi5 with 4way axis is a joke, seen some vids
What other alternatives are the part from op3? Mayne Zuk z2 pro
Hi All,
I've bought both the Xiaomi Mi5s (miui 8 global) and the OnePlus 3T (oxygen OS 4.03 Android 7) and am trialling both for a few before I send the loser (if you could possibly call one of these great phones a loser) back. I'm finding it very difficult to chose.
Either phone is a huge upgrade from my previous and very safe and stable iPhone 5s. I hope you can help me resolve my conundrum.
My thoughts so far on the comparison:
Software and interfaces:
Both phones have great software but for me the xiaomi swings it on being more customisable in terms of the interface, being able to easily change themes. As nice as changing themes is however, a lot of the themes are like those Kodi skins with weird phrases like "seize the moment" plastered on the home screen. It is a nice to have though and some of them have added some clever navigation features for app sidetray access.
It has a couple of other features that are nice to haves like 'force touch' and recording calls as a standard option but both of these features I would rarely use and can live without. Miuis second space feature is a bit surplus to requirements considering fingerprint locking is all you need for security I'm not sure why I'd need to hide apps etc on another part of the phone, I also found it a bit slow to switch spaces.
Hardware:
Here the OnePlus wins, more ram more speed, not that noticeable in day to day operations but the fingerprint sensor on the Xiaomi has been disappointing, even after rescanning my thumb a couple of times it still either fails to unlock or takes a long time to unlock. The OnePlus 3T is super quick on the fingerprint unlock like the speed of light and very reliable for me. Screen sizes on both are nice, I prefer the larger OnePlus though. I would also say the microphone sensitivity on the OnePlus 3T is better in picking up the "OK google" commands. Both seem to be quite quiet on phone calls with the earphones plugged in, if you make regular conference calls this is quite annoying and there are lots of complaints on the xiaomi forums regarding this for the global rom.
Camera:
This is where the big let down is on the 3T and probably the reason I am still hanging on to the xiaomi . Despite impressive specs on paper I've found shots low in detail compared to the Xiaomi and poor when shooting moving objects. Low light performance is not great on both but overall I feel the Xiaomi Mi5s is the better camera. Video recording I can't comment, both seem to very similar. I'm not a huge photographer and don't post lots of pictures to social media so maybe I can live without it. I'm hoping something can be done with the OP3T camera to resolve some of the above issues.
Athetics and buttons etc:
I like the feel of the OP3T better but the Xiaomi is easier to hold on accounts of is size.
Anyway I hope you can help me with some thoughts here, would love to keep both but I ain't that rich, ideally I'd merge the two but it just can't happen.
No offense but starting your review (and the software aspect) talking about themes is ..... meh.
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No offense but starting your review (and the software aspect) talking about themes is ..... meh.
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OK so maybe you could suggest what's more important for you personally? Am I too hung up on the themes aspect?
Xiaomi Mi5s has a rear camera sensor with 1.55 um pixels (IMX 378 - As in the G Pixel), yet low light performance is not great? How come?
"Despite impressive camera specs on paper for 3T" - The Mi5S has more impressive specs on paper.
Because sensor is not everything my friend
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Samsung Galaxy Note 10 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Did Samsung improve the shutter speed on Note10+?? When I had the S10+ the still photos looked great, however it was hard to get a picture of my daughter(18mo old) that didn't look blurry
I spent a couple of days doing camera comparisons with my Pixel 3 XL, which I sent back on Friday (got my Note 10 on Wednesday). I found that I personally like the photos in daylight better from the Note 10, as they look just a bit more "punchy" and clear to me, but that's Samsung applying a deeper saturation and more sharpening. YMMV on that. Early reviews I read online said that it was on par with the Pixel 3 in daylight, but quickly fell apart in low light. I'm happy to report that wasn't my experience at all. Night mode works great, and while it would be nice to have an indicator of how long to hold it, it seems to be just as fast at the Pixel 3. The Pixel 3 did beat it out just a bit with clarity, but not by a very wide margin. I did some blind comparison test between shots from the Note 10 and the Pixel 3 XL with my girlfriend (who has a Pixel 3 XL of her own), and 9 of the 11 shots she picked were the Note 10 shots over the Pixel 3. She prefered the Pixel 3's selfie shot and it's Night Sight shot, but she said she really couldn't tell much of a difference in them.
Aside from quality, I like different Live Focus backgrounds, and being able to swipe up from a corner on the lockscreen to get to the camera is a huge plus for me. It's much faster for me to go from pocket to shot now. I'm going to a convention this weekend, so I expect to get some good use out of the triple cameras too. All in all, I'm beyond happy with the Note 10 camera, and coming from the Pixel 3 XL, I was very concerned, as that was hands down the best camera on a phone I'd ever used. The Note 10 isn't leaps and bounds better, but it is better, in my opinion.
As much as I like Note 10, camera is crap compared to Pixel 3. I've been shooting all day and most images are near useless if subject is moving, automatic in anything less then ideal conditions is also terrible, and can only be improved with Pro mode. Faces are too white and details are all washed out. I had exactly the same results with S10 that I returned
I am not sure what Samsung is thinking. Big company and great hardware, $1000 phone, yet software is not good and photos are behind even Pixel 1
Ps. I am leaning towards keeping the phone anyway and will give Gcam a try
Note 10+ Night Camera is really crap compared to the Pixel phone.... Ugh... Samsung again with their bs
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No they haven't. I had a good hands on with the device at their stores and took my kids to just specially test this out.
I sold my S10 plus for this very reason and unfortunately in the Note note 10, they still haven't sorted it out. I had a Galaxy Note 8 and that was the last Samsung without this issue. I think it's something to do with the dual aperture.
Installing Gcam seems to help a lot but I have Exynos chip and doesn't get ported very well.
You have to use Pro mode in order to get anything useful with moving subject. Or Gcam maybe, I haven't tried yet
Daylight shots are very good though, I would say even better then Pixel
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No they haven't. I had a good hands on with the device at their stores and took my kids to just specially test this out.
I sold my S10 plus for this very reason and unfortunately in the Note note 10, they still haven't sorted it out. I had a Galaxy Note 8 and that was the last Samsung without this issue. I think it's something to do with the dual aperture.
Installing Gcam seems to help a lot but I have Exynos chip and doesn't get ported very well.
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Same thing here with my wife's S10e. Since my S7 I hate this. Nowadays I have an iPhone Xr and this is not a problem, fortunately... But I'd like to go back to Android again... Maybe with Pixel 4...
Using pro mode on S10e I've got a nice result setting the shutter speed at least at 1/250. But you lose performance on HDR... So it's like a short sheet... You cover something and uncover other...
That's another mess, the pro mode.
On my note 8, i chose to keep a fast shutter speed and my preferred white balance with iso as a shortcut on home screen. This way it allowed me to directly jump into 3 of my preferred pro mode setting directly without fiddling and adjusting, but as always, Samsung had to take a damn step back and removed this shortcut starting from note 9.
Hmmmnnn. I had a note 8, and all the others besides the 9. Any of them, like any other cameras I have used(cameras and camcorders), with the faster shutter speeds, I always use manual(or as Samsung likes to call pro). I guess most of my subjects when I learned were really fast(rc helicopters doing aerobatics and saltwater reef tanks), so the old rule of 'learn manual shooting first and don't rely on auto' saved me.
Neither of those environments are ideal, and i learned to just 'make' the cameras work for me. It's not a fault of the devices, it's just the honest inherent nature of auto mode.. I also love macro photography, so that is another realm in which manual knowledge is key..
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The portrait mood has bee the single most disappointing feature for me, perhaps we are spoiled by the gcam quality, but samsung could have done better.
Having an Exynos device makes it even more challenging to find a stable fully functional gcam.
I am almost inclining towards finding a pixel (2/3a or 3) just for camera capabilities.
Even the poco with it's xiaomi camera did a better job at portraits
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The portrait mood has bee the single most disappointing feature for me, perhaps we are spoiled by the gcam quality, but samsung could have done better.
Having an Exynos device makes it even more challenging to find a stable fully functional gcam.
I am almost inclining towards finding a pixel (2/3a or 3) just for camera capabilities.
Even the poco with it's xiaomi camera did a better job at portraits
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Portrait is very good as far as i'm concerned. Maybe malfunctionning device ? I have exynos as well and no pb with photos (EDIT : i have Note 10 Plus though so maybe TOF does the job).
My portait photos are probably the most striking and accurate i ever took with a smartphone, i have very nice pics of my kids taken with it.
Single hairs on sides are not blurred either, it only blurs the background and does it right.
I am very disappointed with cameras .
Low definition and quality when you do not have 100% of light .
Night mode it **** also.
I came from op6 and did better photos stock and with gcam.
Samsung camera processing it is the worst one
villadecai said:
I am very disappointed with cameras .
Low definition and quality when you do not have 100% of light .
Night mode it **** also.
I came from op6 and did better photos stock and with gcam.
Samsung camera processing it is the worst one
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Plain wrong... Post exemple or it never happened.
Camera is not good but much better than OP7
villadecai said:
I am very disappointed with cameras .
Low definition and quality when you do not have 100% of light .
Night mode it **** also.
I came from op6 and did better photos stock and with gcam.
Samsung camera processing it is the worst one
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I compared with OP7 and found that Note 10 (Exynos) is far better when compared to OnePlus 7.
Though Pixel 2 XL have much better camera
Just wondering whether the staggering difference in photo quality between Exynos and Snapdragon versions of Note 10 is here as well. I was shocked how far better was Galaxy S9 (Snapdragon) in this term.
Definitely isn't this year...the Exynos model has improved a lot so much so there's a huge difference between the photo quality of the note 10 and the S10 5g I had.
new update to camera today
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The portrait mood has bee the single most disappointing feature for me, perhaps we are spoiled by the gcam quality, but samsung could have done better.
Having an Exynos device makes it even more challenging to find a stable fully functional gcam.
I am almost inclining towards finding a pixel (2/3a or 3) just for camera capabilities.
Even the poco with it's xiaomi camera did a better job at portraits
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That is weird, I find portrait quality to be much better than my Note 8 and iphone XS Max, edge definition is outstanding compared to iphones and I have taken portrait shots that are as good (resolution aside) as my Canon 70D with 85mm lens.
Hi, I'm planning to upgrade Redmi K20 after using A1 for almost 2 years. Is it a good choice considering my requirements of a great build quality with glass back, good camera (including a wide angle camera) and a Amoled screen. Internal specs doesn't really matter that much till it can drive my daily apps smoothly.
Why not.
If i would be buying, i would check if any recognised ROM developer getting that phone. If there isn't a good developer base in XDA, you have to entirely rely on Xiaomi; for updates, for ****ty camera updates etc.
Mi A3 is available, good specs for around 200 bugs
I was waiting for A3, but that subpar display is a big show stopper for me (HD + pentile matrix [emoji2961]). I will wait a bit and if there are no news about proper Android One successor (A3 "pro"), I am going to risk MIUI on 9T. Maybe I'll get used to it with root and some modifications..who knows [emoji846]
Has everyone forgot about treble support by default on newer devices?
Devs will be trying to make GSIs, which will result in much better ROM availablity. And newer kernel isn't a big deal like it was few years back.
So go buy any phone you want.
Hriddhi said:
Hi, I'm planning to upgrade Redmi K20 after using A1 for almost 2 years. Is it a good choice considering my requirements of a great build quality with glass back, good camera (including a wide angle camera) and a Amoled screen. Internal specs doesn't really matter that much till it can drive my daily apps smoothly.
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I just purchased my Mi 9T 2 days ago. The difference between Stock and MIUI is night and day. I miss being able to pull down the notification shade using the fingerprint scanner.
And although the navigation buttons on A1 take up screen real estate, the gesture navigation on the 9T just feels clunky. I hate the swipe left/right on screen to go back.
It was also a headache to remove the bloat apps, as I use mostly Google apps. And I haven't had any experience of Xiaomi Ads, but removing those were the first thing that I did.
In all fairness tho, for the price, it was worth the upgrade because of the camera, Snapdragon 730 and the gorgeous Amoled Screen. I'll probably swap MIUI w/ Lineage OS soon.
I'm considering upgrading to this phone from the OnePlus 5T since it checks off all my boxes. Only thing I'm worried about is the actual performance of the chip. I don't do much with the phone and the most intense thing I do is probably play Real Racing 3. Will this be an issue?
While on this topic, is it actually an upgrade from my 5T? The camera performance is surely better but thanks to the Google Camera, photos are pretty good with the 5T too.
Actually, the Snapdragon 730 performs better in benchmarks than the 835. So it should be at least equal there.
But this phone is heavy compared to 5T, with case it gets bulkier. Gaming performance is good, camera is bad. If you're coming from oneplus series, better buy oneplus again IMO. They are compact devices with better OS and cameras.
Camera is bad... or maybe the guy behind the camera xD It's one of the best in the phone market but yes it's bad compare to a Canon SLR camera !
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But this phone is heavy compared to 5T, with case it gets bulkier. Gaming performance is good, camera is bad. If you're coming from oneplus series, better buy oneplus again IMO. They are compact devices with better OS and cameras.
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i +1 to this, the camera is terrible and you better go with a newer oneplus.
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Camera is bad... or maybe the guy behind the camera xD It's one of the best in the phone market but yes it's bad compare to a Canon SLR camera !
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no, for a normal phone camera is terrible, for now even gcam can`t save it. you dont need to compare to a SLR to see the bad quality.
and its one of the best MID RANGER phone, not even close to any of the best phones, chill
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i +1 to this, the camera is terrible and you better go with a newer oneplus.
no, for a normal phone camera is terrible, for now even gcam can`t save it. you dont need to compare to a SLR to see the bad quality.
and its one of the best MID RANGER phone, not even close to any of the best phones, chill
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You seem to have very high standards when it comes to the camera. Imho the phone takes great pictures in good lighting conditions. For low light gcam is the way to go. Yes, it's not as good as the flagships out there but we are talking budget here.
The 9T is an upgrade from the OnePlus 7 - I just came from the 7 to the 9T.
OK, so the 9T isn't quite as fast, but there's barely anything in it - I don't game, but all other apps launch and run great on the 730. The screen is better on the 9T, the cameras are pretty much the same, battery is better. Loss of stereo speakers isn't a massive problem for me as the 9T's speaker is good, and I still use a wired headphone so no dongle is a bonus.
You won't regret buying compared to the 1+5T.
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You seem to have very high standards when it comes to the camera. Imho the phone takes great pictures in good lighting conditions. For low light gcam is the way to go. Yes, it's not as good as the flagships out there but we are talking budget here.
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Wait what if they have blurry camera effect like MKBHD's unit lol
i've changed from oneplus 6 to mi9t, i had an amazon warranty refund for oneplus 6, so best of all is that i spent 350€ for 128gb mi9t and amazon refunded 540€ for oneplus 6.
phone itself was mostly an update even if had not spent less than refund, i haven't tried it for long time so something could be untested (like recording audio)
screen: mi 9t>op6
camera: little better for op6 in low light and 4k 60fps videos (but didn't use the, so much, too much space) mostly they seem to be on par (i have to test much more)
battery: mi 9t>op6
fingerprint: mi 9t mostly better, you don't have to "take" the phone or digit pin if it's on a table, just a little slower, but difference is less than half a second
speaker: seems quite louder, quality seems very similar
phone: i expected the thin speaker to be much more position-dependant, but i don't notice so much difference.
performance: i can't notice any difference, and i'm quite sure people with mi 9t pro won't ever notice any difference, cause 730 is already overpowered for screen resolution
honestly i won't listen those talking about the camera, you can't compare it to huawei high ends or samsung, but against op6 camera it's almost even.