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Hi!
I did some skype video calling lately and experienced something strange. The quality of the transmitted video was way better from Note 2 than from Note 3 in various aspects:
Concerning the front cam, I had 17 to 7 fps, a much better quality in terms of light and color of the pictures. Turning on the the quality information the Note 2 also showed a lower cpu usage (!!).
Skype version on both: 4.5.0.39600
Note 2 rooted stock ROM 4.1.2, Note 3 rooted stock 4.3 MJ7.
So, is the current skype version not as optimized for snapdragon 800 as for Exynos?
The results for the back cams were similar, but not with such drastic difference. Still higher frame rates on Note 2, a bit more "natural" picture and lower cpu usage. This was kinda disappointing. I love boths my devices, but comparing them in many aspects of everyday usage, the Note 3 is not superior to the Note 2 in all aspects! Skype is just 1 thing, there are quite some things still lacking on Note 3, UMS e.g.
So, can somebody confirm my "discoveries" in terms of skype video quality?
Anyone to bring a bit more insight into that issue?
P.S. Anything similar on Hangouts video?
Note3 sucks videocalling
Quetsch said:
Hi!
I did some skype video calling lately and experienced something strange. The quality of the transmitted video was way better from Note 2 than from Note 3 in various aspects:
Concerning the front cam, I had 17 to 7 fps, a much better quality in terms of light and color of the pictures. Turning on the the quality information the Note 2 also showed a lower cpu usage (!!).
Skype version on both: 4.5.0.39600
Note 2 rooted stock ROM 4.1.2, Note 3 rooted stock 4.3 MJ7.
So, is the current skype version not as optimized for snapdragon 800 as for Exynos?
The results for the back cams were similar, but not with such drastic difference. Still higher frame rates on Note 2, a bit more "natural" picture and lower cpu usage. This was kinda disappointing. I love boths my devices, but comparing them in many aspects of everyday usage, the Note 3 is not superior to the Note 2 in all aspects! Skype is just 1 thing, there are quite some things still lacking on Note 3, UMS e.g.
So, can somebody confirm my "discoveries" in terms of skype video quality?
Anyone to bring a bit more insight into that issue?
P.S. Anything similar on Hangouts video?
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Hi,
Any solutions for this thing here? really dissapointed with Note3 video calling this is to all applications not only in skype. video quality is bad. same goes with Xperia Z1 i changed to note 3 to eliminate the problem but only to find out that its just same freaking problem video quality so Bad.
hope someone could find a way regarding this problem. my Gf uses note 2 and way better video when we videocalling.
Hi, everyone.
The Note 3's camera is fine, everybody knows.
Even the Note 2's Camera is still OK for today.
Before reading my question (which is already mentioned in title),
Please don't blame me for that question.
There are so many people in the world, so maybe one of them asks for a Guide, which might is senseless for you, so don't blame me for that.
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You know, i like the Galaxy Note 3, because it's one of the three Jelly Bean Flagship-Smartphones in the World with 4K-Video and Smooth Motion Recording and still suitable for today.
Galaxy Note 3 (Jelly Bean+TouchWiz UI)
Oppo Find 7 (HD Image; 1440p Screen; Ultra-Fast Charging)
Oppo Find 7a (No KitKat-Upgrade)
Why i don't like the newer Android-Versions:
Android KitKat: Very Bogus (Data-Loss Bug, deletion of app data at app uninstallation or deinstallation. Many Software Bugs + restriction etc. )
Android Lollipop: Ugly User Interface - and you can't set the UI Back.
I'm very satisfied with the Note 3's Camera, but i think, that every phone needs an OIS today, for Compensation of the bad low-light performance. Especially those 20.7 Megapixel Phones like HTC One M9.
The Note 3's low-light performance is bad because:
Small Pixels (not as small as Xperia Z) on Camera Sensor
No Optical Image Stabilisation
Three Phones with Brilliant Cameras are:
Samsung Galaxy Note 4 (It's a Note Smartphone)
Samsung Galaxy S6 (High Colour Quality)
LG G4 (my favourite Phone Camera) (Best Dynamic Range+Focus Speed)
So is there a way, to replace the Note 3's Camera Sensor with the Sensor of one of those 3 Phones? (Preferred: LG G4)
You can't build Laser-AF into the Note 3 so easily, but i just like to get the Sensor and the OIS into it, to make the Low-Light Performance better.
Camera-app:
I'd like to keep the Native Camera-App UI from the Galaxy Note 3 (as known from the S4-Models), but i'd like to have:
16 Megapixels in Resolution chooser
1440p Video Recording (FHD, Smooth Motion and 4K is already there)
If Possible: Real-Time Slow Motion (HFR)-Video Recording.
Hannah Stern said:
Hi, everyone.
The Note 3's camera is fine, everybody knows.
Even the Note 2's Camera is still OK for today.
You know, i like the Galaxy Note 3, because it's one of the three Jelly Bean Flagship-Smartphones in the World with 4K-Video and Smooth Motion Recording and still suitable for today.
Galaxy Note 3 (Jelly Bean+TouchWiz UI)
Oppo Find 7 (HD Image; 1440p Screen; Ultra-Fast Charging)
Oppo Find 7a (No KitKat-Upgrade)
Why i don't like the newer Android-Versions:
Android KitKat: Very Bogus (Data-Loss Bug, deletion of app data at app uninstallation or deinstallation. Many Software Bugs + restriction etc. )
Android Lollipop: Ugly User Interface - and you can't set the UI Back.
I'm very satisfied with the Note 3's Camera, but i think, that every phone needs an OIS today, for Compensation of the bad low-light performance. Especially those 20.7 Megapixel Phones like HTC One M9.
The Note 3's low-light performance is bad because:
Small Pixels (not as small as Xperia Z) on Camera Sensor
No Optical Image Stabilisation
Three Phones with Brilliant Cameras are:
Samsung Galaxy Note 4 (It's a Note Smartphone)
Samsung Galaxy S6 (High Colour Quality)
LG G4 (my favourite Phone Camera) (Best Dynamic Range+Focus Speed)
So is there a way, to replace the Note 3's Camera Sensor with the Sensor of one of those 3 Phones? (Preferred: LG G4)
You can't build Laser-AF into the Note 3 so easily, but i just like to get the Sensor and the OIS into it, to make the Low-Light Performance better.
Camera-app:
I'd like to keep the Native Camera-App UI from the Galaxy Note 3 (as known from the S4-Models), but i'd like to have:
16 Megapixels in Resolution chooser
1440p Video Recording (FHD, Smooth Motion and 4K is already there)
If Possible: Real-Time Slow Motion (HFR)-Video Recording.
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Old post so you may never see this but did you ever get an answer to your question?
Hello,
First of all, i'm very satisfied with the Note 3's Camera. It's very useful and makes very good pictures and is also very fast. The shutter lag is very short in sports mode, and i also love the [email protected] and 4K-Recording. The User Interface of the camera is also designed very well, and it's got a giant amount of features. :good:
Please note, that i've got (the lastest) Android 4.3, because 4.4.2 is very bogus and Lollipop's User Interface is very ugly and lost many features.
But here are three software-features, that you can add, by installing the S6 and M9 Camera APK, but they are only supported from Android 5.0/higher.
1. Real-Time-equivalent Slow Motion / HFR
I'd like to record it like i described it right here, because the displayed playback speed in the player is equivalent to Real-Time and because Audio is recorded. This is also, how the Galaxy S6's Camera Software Application does it.
2. 1440p Video Recording
This is what i need, when i'd like to take a video, which is better than FullHD 1080p, but doesn't eat up as much space as 4K-Video. This is, what the Note 4/S6 Camera application also is capable of.
Bitrates:
FHD - 17 MBit/s
WQHD - 28 MBit/s (like [email protected])
4K-UHD and DCi-4K: 50 MBit/s (sometimes around 48)
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3. Zero Pause Lag/Delay
This is, what the HTC One M9 can do - even in 4K. The last phone i know, which can do this is the Omnia 2.
It allows you, to Rec/Pause/Rec/Pause/etc... a video, without any lag/delay.
You can hit the rec/pause button, as fast as you want, and it always reacts.
The Note 4 and S6 have got a pause delay of around two seconds.
Off-Topic:
Here's a list of small things, that are also missing on the Note 3-Camera, but are less important currently.
Hardware
Physical Shutter Button (Priority: 60 %)
OIS Camera (every Flagship Smartphone newer than Med-2014 should have OIS.) (Priority = 70 %)
Mechanical Shutter (makes Picture quality a little bit better but is not so important) Prior.= 20 %
Software
The disadvantages below are so small, that they're pretty much off-topic. I'm satisfied with the Note 3 Camera.
Selective Focus
Tap-to-shoot
AF/AE Lock
Manual Camera Settings
Color Spectrum RGB Sensor (low Priority) (As known from the LG G4)
Laser Auto Focus (low Prior) (as known from LG G3 and G4)
Burst Shot Limit - higher than just 20
Lossy digital zoom is useless. Only Lossless Digital Zoom is good.
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I'm still very satisfied with the Note 3 Camera. ♥
Every help is highly appreciated. But please take this thread seriously.
The main Problem is, that every useful app is only supportet on Android Ugly Edition 5.0.
I don't like the case, if the lowest API that an app supports is 19 or higher.
I miss the old pretty times, where the Note 2 (with it's beautiful TouchWiz Nature UX 1.0) with it's Android 4.0.4 or 4.1.2 or where the Note 3/10.1(2014) with their superior User Interface (TouchWiz NatureUX 2.5) and Android 4.3 were the newest. Then 4.4 ruined all software. Now 5.0 comes with a ruined U/UX.
Also the S5's UI was OK, but lost some features. I like this ocean blue of the S5.
The Note 4's UI+Hardware lost too many features.
Hannah Stern said:
The main Problem is, that every useful app is only supportet on Android Ugly Edition 5.0.
I don't like the case, if the lowest API that an app supports is 19 or higher.
I miss the old pretty times, where the Note 2 (with it's beautiful TouchWiz Nature UX 1.0) with it's Android 4.0.4 or 4.1.2 or where the Note 3/10.1(2014) with their superior User Interface (TouchWiz NatureUX 2.5) and Android 4.3 were the newest. Then 4.4 ruined all software. Now 5.0 comes with a ruined U/UX.
Also the S5's UI was OK, but lost some features. I like this ocean blue of the S5.
The Note 4's UI+Hardware lost too many features.
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Heard of launchers and themes?
And TW is never nice.
Tap-to-Shoot
The Tap-to-Shoot-Feature, which is activated by tapping somewhere in the Viewfinder, isn't in the S4, but actually it does exist on the Note 3.
I have not seen it before.
My large Post in the following link also includes some camera disadvantages, that also hit the Note 3:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61982181&postcount=529
ShutterLag: Good but could be better.
Manual Settings in Jelly Bean API
Unlimited Burst Shots (Lixe Xperia Z)
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Samsung Galaxy Note 10 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Did Samsung improve the shutter speed on Note10+?? When I had the S10+ the still photos looked great, however it was hard to get a picture of my daughter(18mo old) that didn't look blurry
I spent a couple of days doing camera comparisons with my Pixel 3 XL, which I sent back on Friday (got my Note 10 on Wednesday). I found that I personally like the photos in daylight better from the Note 10, as they look just a bit more "punchy" and clear to me, but that's Samsung applying a deeper saturation and more sharpening. YMMV on that. Early reviews I read online said that it was on par with the Pixel 3 in daylight, but quickly fell apart in low light. I'm happy to report that wasn't my experience at all. Night mode works great, and while it would be nice to have an indicator of how long to hold it, it seems to be just as fast at the Pixel 3. The Pixel 3 did beat it out just a bit with clarity, but not by a very wide margin. I did some blind comparison test between shots from the Note 10 and the Pixel 3 XL with my girlfriend (who has a Pixel 3 XL of her own), and 9 of the 11 shots she picked were the Note 10 shots over the Pixel 3. She prefered the Pixel 3's selfie shot and it's Night Sight shot, but she said she really couldn't tell much of a difference in them.
Aside from quality, I like different Live Focus backgrounds, and being able to swipe up from a corner on the lockscreen to get to the camera is a huge plus for me. It's much faster for me to go from pocket to shot now. I'm going to a convention this weekend, so I expect to get some good use out of the triple cameras too. All in all, I'm beyond happy with the Note 10 camera, and coming from the Pixel 3 XL, I was very concerned, as that was hands down the best camera on a phone I'd ever used. The Note 10 isn't leaps and bounds better, but it is better, in my opinion.
As much as I like Note 10, camera is crap compared to Pixel 3. I've been shooting all day and most images are near useless if subject is moving, automatic in anything less then ideal conditions is also terrible, and can only be improved with Pro mode. Faces are too white and details are all washed out. I had exactly the same results with S10 that I returned
I am not sure what Samsung is thinking. Big company and great hardware, $1000 phone, yet software is not good and photos are behind even Pixel 1
Ps. I am leaning towards keeping the phone anyway and will give Gcam a try
Note 10+ Night Camera is really crap compared to the Pixel phone.... Ugh... Samsung again with their bs
EclipseGST20 said:
Did Samsung improve the shutter speed on Note10+?? When I had the S10+ the still photos looked great, however it was hard to get a picture of my daughter(18mo old) that didn't look blurry
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No they haven't. I had a good hands on with the device at their stores and took my kids to just specially test this out.
I sold my S10 plus for this very reason and unfortunately in the Note note 10, they still haven't sorted it out. I had a Galaxy Note 8 and that was the last Samsung without this issue. I think it's something to do with the dual aperture.
Installing Gcam seems to help a lot but I have Exynos chip and doesn't get ported very well.
You have to use Pro mode in order to get anything useful with moving subject. Or Gcam maybe, I haven't tried yet
Daylight shots are very good though, I would say even better then Pixel
ZayaanAhyaan said:
No they haven't. I had a good hands on with the device at their stores and took my kids to just specially test this out.
I sold my S10 plus for this very reason and unfortunately in the Note note 10, they still haven't sorted it out. I had a Galaxy Note 8 and that was the last Samsung without this issue. I think it's something to do with the dual aperture.
Installing Gcam seems to help a lot but I have Exynos chip and doesn't get ported very well.
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Same thing here with my wife's S10e. Since my S7 I hate this. Nowadays I have an iPhone Xr and this is not a problem, fortunately... But I'd like to go back to Android again... Maybe with Pixel 4...
Using pro mode on S10e I've got a nice result setting the shutter speed at least at 1/250. But you lose performance on HDR... So it's like a short sheet... You cover something and uncover other...
That's another mess, the pro mode.
On my note 8, i chose to keep a fast shutter speed and my preferred white balance with iso as a shortcut on home screen. This way it allowed me to directly jump into 3 of my preferred pro mode setting directly without fiddling and adjusting, but as always, Samsung had to take a damn step back and removed this shortcut starting from note 9.
Hmmmnnn. I had a note 8, and all the others besides the 9. Any of them, like any other cameras I have used(cameras and camcorders), with the faster shutter speeds, I always use manual(or as Samsung likes to call pro). I guess most of my subjects when I learned were really fast(rc helicopters doing aerobatics and saltwater reef tanks), so the old rule of 'learn manual shooting first and don't rely on auto' saved me.
Neither of those environments are ideal, and i learned to just 'make' the cameras work for me. It's not a fault of the devices, it's just the honest inherent nature of auto mode.. I also love macro photography, so that is another realm in which manual knowledge is key..
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The portrait mood has bee the single most disappointing feature for me, perhaps we are spoiled by the gcam quality, but samsung could have done better.
Having an Exynos device makes it even more challenging to find a stable fully functional gcam.
I am almost inclining towards finding a pixel (2/3a or 3) just for camera capabilities.
Even the poco with it's xiaomi camera did a better job at portraits
watsinaname said:
The portrait mood has bee the single most disappointing feature for me, perhaps we are spoiled by the gcam quality, but samsung could have done better.
Having an Exynos device makes it even more challenging to find a stable fully functional gcam.
I am almost inclining towards finding a pixel (2/3a or 3) just for camera capabilities.
Even the poco with it's xiaomi camera did a better job at portraits
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Portrait is very good as far as i'm concerned. Maybe malfunctionning device ? I have exynos as well and no pb with photos (EDIT : i have Note 10 Plus though so maybe TOF does the job).
My portait photos are probably the most striking and accurate i ever took with a smartphone, i have very nice pics of my kids taken with it.
Single hairs on sides are not blurred either, it only blurs the background and does it right.
I am very disappointed with cameras .
Low definition and quality when you do not have 100% of light .
Night mode it **** also.
I came from op6 and did better photos stock and with gcam.
Samsung camera processing it is the worst one
villadecai said:
I am very disappointed with cameras .
Low definition and quality when you do not have 100% of light .
Night mode it **** also.
I came from op6 and did better photos stock and with gcam.
Samsung camera processing it is the worst one
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Plain wrong... Post exemple or it never happened.
Camera is not good but much better than OP7
villadecai said:
I am very disappointed with cameras .
Low definition and quality when you do not have 100% of light .
Night mode it **** also.
I came from op6 and did better photos stock and with gcam.
Samsung camera processing it is the worst one
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I compared with OP7 and found that Note 10 (Exynos) is far better when compared to OnePlus 7.
Though Pixel 2 XL have much better camera
Just wondering whether the staggering difference in photo quality between Exynos and Snapdragon versions of Note 10 is here as well. I was shocked how far better was Galaxy S9 (Snapdragon) in this term.
Definitely isn't this year...the Exynos model has improved a lot so much so there's a huge difference between the photo quality of the note 10 and the S10 5g I had.
new update to camera today
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The portrait mood has bee the single most disappointing feature for me, perhaps we are spoiled by the gcam quality, but samsung could have done better.
Having an Exynos device makes it even more challenging to find a stable fully functional gcam.
I am almost inclining towards finding a pixel (2/3a or 3) just for camera capabilities.
Even the poco with it's xiaomi camera did a better job at portraits
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That is weird, I find portrait quality to be much better than my Note 8 and iphone XS Max, edge definition is outstanding compared to iphones and I have taken portrait shots that are as good (resolution aside) as my Canon 70D with 85mm lens.
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Xiaomi Mi Note 10 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Dynamic range is pretty good comparing with "modern" tiny-sensored iphones.
Funny thing, that Nokia PureView 808 (2012) STILL provides better resolution and better signal-to-noise ratio.
S10 vs Mi Note 10
Hey guys. Here's a side by side picture showing the Mi Note 10 vs the Galaxy S10.
Unfortunately I've had to lower the size of the pics to 10MB because that's what the image host accepts.
On the right I included a cropped section from each camera. The Mi Note 10 has the higher megapixels
Notes: HDR auto enabled for both cameras
AI mode on for the Mi Note 10
Both pictures taken on the standard lens
MoneyFist said:
Hey guys. Here's a side by side picture showing the Mi Note 10 vs the Galaxy S10. ....
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Thanks you! To me, the Mi Note 10 camera looks like a real winner. The detail of the Mi Note 10 shot is noticeably better, especially on the right side of the canal. I believe that the color balance is noticeably better, too.
I like the mi note 10 as the photos are not altered by the software more what you see and that's what you get. I love the Lumia 1020 and I used it for 2 years plus till it died, and I moved on to Samsung Galaxy S7, pic were good but unrealistic as colours were enhanced .
With this device I take more real pic.
If you edit the picture with Snapseed and +25 to saturation the Mi Note 10 pic looks almost identical to the S10 on the colour front
While waiting for my Mi Note 10 to arrive, I am starting to wonder if I have made a mistake. I am replacing a Pixel 3XL with the Mi Note 10, based largely on the initial camera reviews and the Dxomark rating.
But now I am reading less than rosy reviews of the camera, like this one:
https://www.androidpit.com/xiaomi-mi-note-10-camera-problems
I also saw the oversharpening and overprocessing with the telephoto lenses, as well as the fringing. Can others share their experience with the camera, compared to brands like Apple, Google and Samsung?
Also, how good is Xiaomi at fixing such issues with updates? I am afraid that like many other Chinese companies, they will drop support for the Mi Note 10 in favor of the bazillion new models they seem to have in the pipeline.
I received my Mi Note 10 and took a few shots. Overall, disappointing images, compared to my Pixel 3XL.
Main camera: The dynamic range of the main camera is not nearly as good as that on the Pixel. Even forcing HDR on the Mi Note 10 doesn't help much, as the Pixel shows more detail in both sun-lit and shadow areas. Strangely, given the higher resolution of the Mi Note, the definition of blades of grass in a landscape shot is noticeably better on the Pixel. Also, the colors are kind of "electric" on the Mi Note 10, not natural.
Portrait mode is poor in less than bright conditions.
In Wide mode, the dynamic range is also pretty poor.
Night city light shots from the Mi Note 10 are not as good as the Pixel, although in Night Shot mode the Mi Note 10 improves noticeably. But it still suffers from poor dynamic range.
The only shot where the Mi Note did better the Pixel was at 10x zoom. The Pixel 3 does it all with just one lens, and at its maximum 7x it had somewhat less detail than the Mi Note 10.
Sadly, the Mi Note feels like a second rate phone on the photography front. Funny enough, I don't have any issues with the rest of the phone. The fingerprint unlock is not fast, but I can live with it. I don't have touch issues on the edges. But the main reason I bought it was for the camera, which in my experience so far, is just not very good.
I am wondering what DXOMARK was testing and how they came up with their conclusions, which are so different than mine?
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I received my Mi Note 10 and took a few shots. Overall, disappointing images, compared to my Pixel 3XL.
Main camera: The dynamic range of the main camera is not nearly as good as that on the Pixel. Even forcing HDR on the Mi Note 10 doesn't help much, as the Pixel shows more detail in both sun-lit and shadow areas. Strangely, given the higher resolution of the Mi Note, the definition of blades of grass in a landscape shot is noticeably better on the Pixel. Also, the colors are kind of "electric" on the Mi Note 10, not natural.
Portrait mode is poor in less than bright conditions.
In Wide mode, the dynamic range is also pretty poor.
Night city light shots from the Mi Note 10 are not as good as the Pixel, although in Night Shot mode the Mi Note 10 improves noticeably. But it still suffers from poor dynamic range.
The only shot where the Mi Note did better the Pixel was at 10x zoom. The Pixel 3 does it all with just one lens, and at its maximum 7x it had somewhat less detail than the Mi Note 10.
Sadly, the Mi Note feels like a second rate phone on the photography front. Funny enough, I don't have any issues with the rest of the phone. The fingerprint unlock is not fast, but I can live with it. I don't have touch issues on the edges. But the main reason I bought it was for the camera, which in my experience so far, is just not very good.
I am wondering what DXOMARK was testing and how they came up with their conclusions, which are so different than mine?
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I strongly believe that a 27 mp photo taken with a sensor 4 time bigger than the 12mp pixel 3 sensor has less detail compared with this one. Really, i believe that!! I swear!!
The dxomark test was made with the mi note 10 pro that have a 8p Lens system, but the difference Is very very little.
If you feel the pixel 3 photos Better than mi note 10, i suspect that you bought a mi note 3. Ahahahha
such awesome photo quality. I've got mi max 3 / note 8 pro / note 10 pro.
Note 10 pro is really really awesome and hassle free to install gcam
using this btw
burial: GCam_7.2.010_Burial-v6_release21.01.20.apk
mezza8512 said:
I strongly believe that a 27 mp photo taken with a sensor 4 time bigger than the 12mp pixel 3 sensor has less detail compared with this one. Really, i believe that!! I swear!!
The dxomark test was made with the mi note 10 pro that have a 8p Lens system, but the difference Is very very little.
If you feel the pixel 3 photos Better than mi note 10, i suspect that you bought a mi note 3. Ahahahha
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Believe what you want. The issue is not resolution, it's dynamic range. Detail in strongly lit and in shadow areas is worse in images taken on the Mi Note 10, than in images taken on the Pixel 3XL. The color is also over-processed and looking just tacky.
I am really disappointed, because I thought I was getting a great bargain, but instead got less than I paid for (the Pixel 3XL is cheaper nowadays than the Mi Note 10 and the 4XL can be had for a $200 or so more, on Google Fi). I'll give this phone a week or so, just to make sure, but my initial impression is not good.
My guess is it's all software. I tried a couple of the GCam mods, one crashes after each shot, the other one is a bit better than the stock main camera, but still not nearly as good as the Pixel 3XL.
I am on the latest Global, with the January update.
I should also note that I am looking at the original camera images on a 30" calibrated monitor, where the differences are glaring. On the phone itself the over-processed Mi Note 10 images look pretty good, but while this may be good enough for some, it's not what I am looking for.
OK, just went for a run and took a few shots along the way with the Mi Note 10. Late afternoon, good light.
In my opinion, they are all are pretty bad, mainly because the dynamic range is so poor. On my calibrated monitor, they also appear overly processed and the grass takes an electric hue, which reminds me of Chinese phones from years back.
Here are a few Mi Note 10 examples here:
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And here is a few pairs of similar shots from the Mi Note 10 and a Pixel 3XL..
I can see a little more detail in the Mi Note 10 shots at 100%, but things are crushed and just don't look good:
I'd be really happy to be proven wrong, so I don't have to deal with returning the Mi Note 10.
Dear MacGuy2006,
I have been a silent reader until now, but I still have to give my comment here.
You say that the pixel images are better, I see it completely different. The resolution is worlds lower and the whole picture looks much more blurred when you look at it in detail.
I agree with you that the colors are a bit more intense, that's why the pictures look better at first, but that's not so. The Note 10 photos are just more neutral, but that doesn't say anything about the quality of the pictures, that’s only a part of the Software.
A small change in Photoshop (gradation curves and saturation) and the Mi Note 10 looks much better. I even think, after a little tuning in Photoshop you can't compare both cameras at all. In my eyes, the pixel is far behind. None of the photos of the pixel shown by you are better for me.
Regards
Pascal
Pentagrave666 said:
Dear MacGuy2006,
I have been a silent reader until now, but I still have to give my comment here.
You say that the pixel images are better, I see it completely different. The resolution is worlds lower and the whole picture looks much more blurred when you look at it in detail.
I agree with you that the colors are a bit more intense, that's why the pictures look better at first, but that's not so. The Note 10 photos are just more neutral, but that doesn't say anything about the quality of the pictures, that’s only a part of the Software.
A small change in Photoshop (gradation curves and saturation) and the Mi Note 10 looks much better. I even think, after a little tuning in Photoshop you can't compare both cameras at all. In my eyes, the pixel is far behind. None of the photos of the pixel shown by you are better for me.
Regards
Pascal
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Hi, Pascal. I appreciate your point and I agree with it.
But I think the issues with the Mi Note are a bit bigger than a small change in PS. I just lined up an image from the Mi Note 10 and an image from the Pixel 3XL, both at 100%, and took a screen shot. One would expect a much greater difference in resolution between the Mi Note sensor and the Pixel 3 sensor, right? I certainly expected a lot better, both in terms of detail and dynamic range.
But while the Note image has a bit finer detail, there is a lot of smearing and feathering. The orange/red tree in the upper right looks painted in both, and it shouldn't really on the Note image. While when pixel peeping I like the Mi Note 10 image better, I am wondering if all the smearing is causing the compressed apparent dynamic range? It looks like a Pointillist painting.
But as I said, I hope I am just overreacting and missing something. I'd really like for this to be the great bargain I hoped for. But I am not feeling it right now.
Just use gcam and small tweaks or even just load up pre-configured xml file can easily solve all your problem and achieve better quality image
MacGuy2006 said:
Hi, Pascal. I appreciate your point and I agree with it.
But I think the issues with the Mi Note are a bit bigger than a small change in PS. I just lined up an image from the Mi Note 10 and an image from the Pixel 3XL, both at 100%, and took a screen shot. One would expect a much greater difference in resolution between the Mi Note sensor and the Pixel 3 sensor, right? I certainly expected a lot better, both in terms of detail and dynamic range.
But while the Note image has a bit finer detail, there is a lot of smearing and feathering. The orange/red tree in the upper right looks painted in both, and it shouldn't really on the Note image. While when pixel peeping I like the Mi Note 10 image better, I am wondering if all the smearing is causing the compressed apparent dynamic range? It looks like a Pointillist painting.
But as I said, I hope I am just overreacting and missing something. I'd really like for this to be the great bargain I hoped for. But I am not feeling it right now.
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I understand what you mean and I've seen this kind of thing many times in pictures of Note 10. I guess the software just screws that up. The sensor itself is certainly much more powerful than you can see on some pictures.
It gives the impression that it tries too much to suppress the noise, so a lot of the details that should be there disappear.
Let's hope that a software update will come or Gcam will solve the problem.
- I would describe the camera like this: Right light, right situation, absolutely perfect shot.
- Minor problems with lighting (too little light or too high dynamic range) and the pictures are only average.
In my eyes it is not a camera that works well everywhere. The software simply needs more attention and time to take the right photo. By time I mean now the correct positioning or maybe manual settings on a photo instead of the automatic.
In any case the sensor has enormous power, but unfortunately not always and not everywhere
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I understand what you mean and I've seen this kind of thing many times in pictures of Note 10. I guess the software just screws that up. The sensor itself is certainly much more powerful than you can see on some pictures.
It gives the impression that it tries too much to suppress the noise, so a lot of the details that should be there disappear.
Let's hope that a software update will come or Gcam will solve the problem.
- I would describe the camera like this: Right light, right situation, absolutely perfect shot.
- Minor problems with lighting (too little light or too high dynamic range) and the pictures are only average.
In my eyes it is not a camera that works well everywhere. The software simply needs more attention and time to take the right photo. By time I mean now the correct positioning or maybe manual settings on a photo instead of the automatic.
In any case the sensor has enormous power, but unfortunately not always and not everywhere
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OK, I've calmed down
I went home yesterday and spent some time taking night shots with the camera and viewed the whole batch on my TV set up (it's a very large TV, calibrated On a large screen, I can appreciate the additional detail from the Mi Note 10. And you are right, under the perfect conditions the images are great. In fact, when comparing on the TV, Xiaomi seems to be closer to images from the iPhone 11, which is a good thing.
But on a lot of images, there is smearing and definite crushing of color in high contrast scenes. It seems the greens can be particularly troublesome for the Mi Note. I compared 108mp to 27mp and the smearing and the color crush is really evident only in the 27mp.
I wish there was a 16x9 option using the 108mp sensor as is.
I guess I was expecting too much. The Pixel 3XL photos still look more dynamic on the TV screen, but in perfect conditions the Mi Note provides better detail.
I will probably keep it and hope that Xiaomi improves the camera app to better take advantage of the large sensor. What is the experience of others with Xiaomi updates?
Why do you need a 16:9 option on the 108mp sensor? Just crop the photo into 16:9 afterwards, cause that's exactly what other phones do that let you take 16:9 photos.
Why 16x9? Because most photos I keep are eventually viewed on large 16x9 screens (TV's). I would rather frame correctly while taking the photo than crop later. I'd imagine that others prefer this too, since there is always a 16x9 option for the main camera.
Plus, the file size would be smaller and likely the processing time will be less, too.
Why frame correctly? You can also frame it correctly after. The 108mp mode isn't made for point and shoot. It's meant to get the max out of it so you still have to tweak a few things after so you might as well crop it. Takes 2 seconds.