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hello ,I am thinking about buying moto g , but after lenovo bought motorola , i am afraid it will stop the support for motorola devices , is that true?
and will someone tell me about the call quality on the moto g? i heard it is bad
thanks
So far so good, Moto G is among the very first devices to receive KK 4.4.3
Lenovo isn't stupid, they know that much of Moto's appeal is fast updates. Cheap alone doesn't cut, there are 100s of cheap Chinese devices - but most of them never see updates.
For me, call quality is OK.
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So far so good
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Lenovo hasn't bought Motorola yet.
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Lenovo hasn't bought Motorola yet.
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Technicalities. For all practical purposes, yes they have.
As you can see in new launches, Moto E, Moto G 4G and the rumoured Moto X+1, all have MicroSD slots. No Nexus phone/tablet and original Moto G/X, all under Google, have the slot. Simply put, they want you to spend on Google Drive, and a MicroSD spoofs that.
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hrashdan said:
hello ,I am thinking about buying moto g , but after lenovo bought motorola , i am afraid it will stop the support for motorola devices , is that true?
and will someone tell me about the call quality on the moto g? i heard it is bad
thanks
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Summing up, Moto G is amazing. I bought for myself and my wife, and we are both loving it. The only downside, in my humble opinion, is the lack of a MicroSD slot.
Just be sure to buy the 16GB version, especially if you are into games/recording videos, as these will eat up space in no time.
When you put it like that, Lenovo buying Motorola isn't such a bad thing. Lenovo laptops(especially the ThinkPad line) are very good too. I still remember how the CEO Yang Yuanqing took his annual bonus and gave it to his workers. I am sad by this shift in owners because I really was hoping for more phones to be made(assembled) in the US for the jobs. Having written that, the US market has spoken when it came to the Moto X so here I am with my Moto X, knowing this phone is probably the last of its kind because the US market values the price and specs more than the experience and where it came from.
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Technicalities. For all practical purposes, yes they have.
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That is strange as they are still being managed by Google. Lenovo has no control or influence over Motorola at this point.
alpha-niner64 said:
When you put it like that, Lenovo buying Motorola isn't such a bad thing. Lenovo laptops(especially the ThinkPad line) are very good too. I still remember how the CEO Yang Yuanqing took his annual bonus and gave it to his workers. I am sad by this shift in owners because I really was hoping for more phones to be made(assembled) in the US for the jobs. Having written that, the US market has spoken when it came to the Moto X so here I am with my Moto X, knowing this phone is probably the last of its kind because the US market values the price and specs more than the experience and where it came from.
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Consumers seem to value price, specs, and most importantly brand. The only reason people buy Samsung phones is because, oh, Samsung! It's a popular brand!
It kinda sucks.
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Consumers seem to value price, specs, and most importantly brand. The only reason people buy Samsung phones is because, oh, Samsung! It's a popular brand!
It kinda sucks.
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I would qualify this as something more than just popular brand. I'd make your argument for Apple products though! With Samsung, I can list some qualitative features that distinguish Samsung from the rest: AMOLED, removable battery, microSD, no on-screen buttons, plastic build-quality?? I've read enough peoples' opinions to know that they want to move away from Samsung, but can't because no other brand offers what Samsung offers.
I hope that Motorola will move backward to the days of microSD and removable batteries(doubtful).
MicroSD is already back.
Brand is not exactly what most people want. They want bang per buck, usually. Sure, some people with cash to spare buy due to the brand.
As you mentioned, some Samssung features are hard to find in others. But most Android phones now have on screen buttons. So, how to be the best in class when most fellas are basically the same? Price.
Price alone won't cut in some cases - smartphones, for example. 1st time smartphone buyers may be seduced by dirt cheap, but after a while some other things become priorities. That's when you want the most bang per buck. And that's where the Moto G excels.
Great price for the specs, especially screen. Camera is not top of the line but will do for the majority of people, casual shooters. SoC not top of the line but very good for the average user. Battery is decent, telephony is OK. So, you have a very decent phone at a very good price. Add to that blazing fast updates, and you have a winner. For the majority of people, the phone is more than enough. Phones with simmilar SoC/RAM/internal storage are a lot costlier. Let alone the 720p screen, which even costlier rivals lack.
Sure, the removable battery is nice to have, as are wireless charging and NFC, but not mandatory. What really annoys me is the lack of MicroSD. You have to backup stuff often. Google will be happy if you use Drive for that, but in Brazil prices for mobile data are too high, and even landline internet is not that fast, so many people, including me, use the USB cable for that.
I'm not worried
hrashdan said:
hello ,I am thinking about buying moto g , but after lenovo bought motorola , i am afraid it will stop the support for motorola devices , is that true?
and will someone tell me about the call quality on the moto g? i heard it is bad
thanks
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I owned several thinkpads, both before and after Lenovo bought the brand from IBM. While I would say the quality and available technology had become more mainstream over the years, the high-quality service that was provided by IBM always remained. I had a motherboard replaced on my T400 when it was a month old. That was I believe the 3rd generation of Lenovo product.
I just replaced my old Motorola V60 phone on my voice-only line with a Moto G, partially because it will be one of the last pre-Lenovo phones and because my old phone was dying, but I have no worry that the phone will be supported at least as well as other brands mid-level phones and probably better than most.
Now, if Lenovo would just bring back quality slider phones under the Motorola name, I might be able to give up my blackberry as well.
thank you all , couldn't get better answers than these
Lenovo is a fairly new company compared to Moto But its already Number One in PCs and Number 3 in smart phones.... Lenovo is known for paying the highest salaries in the industry in China
Lenovo knows how to turn money bleeding companies into profit making ones in No time
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jaspreet997 said:
Lenovo is a fairly new company compared to Moto But its already Number One in PCs and Number 3 in smart phones.... Lenovo is known for paying the highest salaries in the industry in China
Lenovo knows how to turn money bleeding companies into profit making ones in No time
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Yep, I also have a Lenovo laptop, and I gotta say, the hardware build quality is incredible for the price (2 years later, battery still lasts 3 hours like when I first got it). The software made by Lenovo looks ancient, but works really efficient and has 0 impact on cpu and ram (by 0, I don't mean 0.01 or 0.1, I mean 0, ZERO)
I really hope to see the same quality on the mobile devices (well, this is exactly the description of the moto g stock rom)
Sorry for bumping the thread, just wanted to say this. [emoji85]
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just seen something similar to yota phone the oukitel u6 dual screen - dont think its as good but its cheaper
take a look
Oukitel U6 dual-screen smartphone up for pre-order for $270
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just seen something similar to yota phone the oukitel u6 dual screen - dont think its as good but its cheaper
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Oukitel U6 dual-screen smartphone up for pre-order for $270
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Ah, China is at it again.
Quality-wise their EPD looks similar, but the software side seems to be severely lacking when compared to Yotaphone 2. Not to say that Yotaphone 2's current software was something out of this world. Anyways, competition is always welcome.
The price is also much more in line with what they are offering.
OUKITEL U6 - worth it
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Ah, China is at it again.
Quality-wise their EPD looks similar, but the software side seems to be severely lacking when compared to Yotaphone 2. Not to say that Yotaphone 2's current software was something out of this world. Anyways, competition is always welcome.
The price is also much more in line with what they are offering.
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It is said that OUKITEL U6 pre-sell online, and it starts shipping from September 15, 2015.
but the shipping date of Yota has not announced to the public. Because all I've seen so far is CGI renders, concepts, and pre-orders with no definite release date. I even don't know if it exists.
Any updates?
Last year I've researched the dual screen phones before I purchased YP2, as of January there were 4 manufacturers in China in various stages with one manufacturer saying they release the phone in January but didn't. There is another startup in U.S. with plans to release similar phone as YP, but as of January not available yet.
I decided to go with SISWOO R9 DARKROOM simply because it had the best specs, a relatively active user forum (the company SISWOO was even actively looking for ideas) and they already build a good reputation for high quality phones in Europe. SISWOO is higher quality than say XIAOMI and price is a bit higher. They have distributor network in Europe compared to XIAOMI which only sells online.
So I put down money in Aliexpress waiting waiting for the R9 ..and nothing. Wasn't ready to ship by the date it was originally announced (Jan 18). I cancelled order, got money back eventually.
I decided to purchase YP not only because it was the only dual- screen phone commercially available to me but also had best software for dual screen.
However, as OP saying hardware-wise they are similar to YP - with exception to screen (better scree), internal memory and processor - plus DUAL SIM card (every Chinese phone) and SD card. The Chinese phones have no software, so it's just mirroring you can do and running aps - but no native apps for ink screen. The design of YP is so much better and it's a quite a looker, the only other area would be shape - it's easy to slip. The Chinese phones appear to be safer to hold.
Price - YP costs about double but you get pretty good hardware for it.
If somebody looking for value phone with dual screen ink, it's best advice to wait for a few months, there will be more choice.
Honestly, Oukitel and Siswoo are just copying Yotaphone... Specs may be higher, but implementation and software are poor and I don't trust much in updates in next 2 years... even one year... IMHO
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Honestly, Oukitel and Siswoo are just copying Yotaphone... Specs may be higher, but implementation and software are poor and I don't trust much in updates in next 2 years... even one year... IMHO
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Though haven't Yota basically given up support for the YP2 already? I mean they stated no more version updates, just some EPD apps is to come. It's a great phone, but in light of the stagefright metaphor it feels a bit irresponsible of them not to patch it asap seeing as if I recall correct they made the first YP after the news about NSA snooping on everyone. It at least gave me the idea that security as main focus with their phones.
Now I can't think of any brand that has patched the metaphor exploit yet except for the Nexus line of phones so they are not alone in sharing the irresponsibility, just not as security concerned as would be expected.
I am wondering if it's a question of market viability or copyrights for the dual screen feature. I am surprised there is no major phone manufacturer that would come with dual screens. It's the only way to go to differentiate phones since the screen is the biggest energy consumer and there are plenty of people who use ebook readers. Not sure why is YP and only handful of Chinese manufacturers jumping on the bandwagon and nobody else.
Dear Android devotees,
The nexus model range ended. All those, who are familiar with Android longly, know it is somehow sad to hear such kind of news. It is an end of a chapter - indeed- and this means also the inception of a new one , now called as PIXEL.
I created this thread for the German community part of this forum who want to speak about rumors, news and opinions in general in regard to Google's next flagships ( in English of course).
Let's do it again & happy flashing!
I know it's the xl forum but if the 5" starts at 649 then the xl will be 699 or 750. They are pulling the same crap like last year. The 5x was way too expensive at launch. Fr 200/ 250 it's a good phone, but the price wasn't justified by only it getting fast updates. The xl has to outclass the 6p. And that will be difficult simply because the 6p is an excellent phone still and it's a lot cheaper and development is going strong. Not to mention the 2k oled display stereo speakers and good camera. If it's not better then people are better off buying the 6p. (If we're kepping it within the nexus line) I will wait for development to get rolling before deciding if I buy another nexus. Currently okaywith the 5x (bought it for 200) and the op3. The op3 is excellent for tinkerers on a budget. The axon 7 is also an option but development for europe is non existent because of the locked bootloader.
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I know it's the xl forum but if the 5" starts at 649 then the xl will be 699 or 750. They are pulling the same crap like last year. The 5x was way too expensive at launch. Fr 200/ 250 it's a good phone, but the price wasn't justified by only it getting fast updates. The xl has to outclass the 6p. And that will be difficult simply because the 6p is an excellent phone still and it's a lot cheaper and development is going strong. Not to mention the 2k oled display stereo speakers and good camera. If it's not better then people are better off buying the 6p. (If we're kepping it within the nexus line) I will wait for development to get rolling before deciding if I buy another nexus. Currently okaywith the 5x (bought it for 200) and the op3. The op3 is excellent for tinkerers on a budget. The axon 7 is also an option but development for europe is non existent because of the locked bootloader.
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Fully agreed. I'll stay with the 6p until I see it rooted and having a decent community.
But I'll switch away from the 6p as soon as I see the community of the Pixel growing. My 6p gets way too hot with normal usage and I'm pissed off about that.
I am still hoping that they offer something that could justify the price. e.g. top tier display and sensors to make it Daydream compatible (which should be the case), unlimited online storage and so on.
But the design and specs from the leaks seem pretty lackluster :/
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I know it's the xl forum but if the 5" starts at 649 then the xl will be 699 or 750. They are pulling the same crap like last year. The 5x was way too expensive at launch. Fr 200/ 250 it's a good phone, but the price wasn't justified by only it getting fast updates. The xl has to outclass the 6p. And that will be difficult simply because the 6p is an excellent phone still and it's a lot cheaper and development is going strong. Not to mention the 2k oled display stereo speakers and good camera. If it's not better then people are better off buying the 6p. (If we're kepping it within the nexus line) I will wait for development to get rolling before deciding if I buy another nexus. Currently okaywith the 5x (bought it for 200) and the op3. The op3 is excellent for tinkerers on a budget. The axon 7 is also an option but development for europe is non existent because of the locked bootloader.
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Yes, I totally agree. I am remembering to the good old "pay-less-for-much" concept, but I would classify this as dead since the nexus 5 actually. We might get something unbelievable, who knows? Yet we don't have many 105% authentic information.
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Fully agreed. I'll stay with the 6p until I see it rooted and having a decent community.
But I'll switch away from the 6p as soon as I see the community of the Pixel growing. My 6p gets way too hot with normal usage and I'm pissed off about that.
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Yup, also I do agree here. I just checked the sectiona and it was around 11 active roms and 6 active kernel threads.
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I am still hoping that they offer something that could justify the price. e.g. top tier display and sensors to make it Daydream compatible (which should be the case), unlimited online storage and so on.
But the design and specs from the leaks seem pretty lackluster :/
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I am really really hoping for a good camera and battery, having a decent microphone would be also nice.
I think daydream puts sensors on the hardware, the same as gearvr.
I guess that has to be on board as minimum.
I hope that all sensors are located in the phone. Just take a look at Project Tango to to see the possibilities.
It would also be very beneficial to things like Argumented reality (e.g. Pokemon Go), GEO Location or activity recognition which are far from being perfect on our current devices.
Well, 5 days left. Really lookig forward for anything suprising.
OK so the N5X is 3 years old now... any new phones out or coming out that are similar in price (budget-mid price range), and will have similar custom ROM support?
Just curious, as my N5X is still going strong, but there seems to be a roadblock on getting Android Pie to be fully functional in the few attempts I see (encryption?)
I've been keeping an eye on the new Nokia #.1 devices, and other similar specc'd phones.
Thanks.
I think OnePlus 5T or OnePlus 6 is a true worthy successor
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I think OnePlus 5T or OnePlus 6 is a true worthy successor
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Perhaps in function, but they cost quite a bit more.
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I think OnePlus 5T or OnePlus 6 is a true worthy successor
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I replaced my Nexus 5x with an Essential PH-1 on Prime day. This is the first non Nexus device I ever owned but it's very much a spiritual successor to the Nexus lineup. I am waiting for it to go back on sale again so I can pick one up for my mom.
I would consider something like the OnePlus/Oppo if it were available on Sprint but unfortunately my device selection is limited being on this provider.
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I replaced my Nexus 5x with an Essential PH-1 on Prime day. This is the first non Nexus device I ever owned but it's very much a spiritual successor to the Nexus lineup. I am waiting for it to go back on sale again so I can pick one up for my mom.
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Those are still pretty spendy at $400+. I'm looking for the $300 or less range, same as the 5X was. I really can't see spending that much for a phone, as I'm not quite as hooked into it as some seem to be, I just need a nice reliable device I can customize easily like the 5X.
Nokia 7+ or Xiaomi Mi A2. Both Android One.
Nokia 7.1 (processor isn’t very good though), Nokia 7.1 Plus (awesome if launches globally near China price) or Nokia 8.1 (TBA).
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Nokia 7.1 (processor isn’t very good though), Nokia 7.1 Plus (awesome if launches globally near China price) or Nokia 8.1 (TBA).
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Yeah I was looking at the Nokia phones as well. I'm in the US, so want to purchase them here so they have a warranty valid in the US.
Any more thoughts on this topic as the holiday sales are upon us?
@g90814: try Cypher OS in the meantime
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@g90814: try Cypher OS in the meantime
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I did... a little quirky, kept locking up, other little issues. I don't think Pie will be viable for the N5X in the long run.
Right now I'm running latest Oreo stock but rooted with Magisk and Franco kernel.
I'm asking about new phones, not ways to keep my old phone running.
Thanks.
@g90814, you're welcome
The Pixel 1 and Pixel 2 prices are about 300-500 bucks now. And that is very good.
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The Pixel 1 and Pixel 2 prices are about 300-500 bucks now. And that is very good.
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Older phones. I'm looking for more current ones.
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Older phones. I'm looking for more current ones.
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you can try the Xiaomi Mi 8 SE or The Pocophone F1 the Poco has a flagship specs with snapdragon 845 but its camera is not pretty good because Xiaomi just nerf the Poco's camera in the stock camera so you have to install a google camera. Mi 8 SE has snapdragon 710 which is quite rare and according to some people, it's a Snapdragon 845 with a weaker GPU.
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you can try the Xiaomi Mi 8 SE or The Pocophone F1 the Poco has a flagship specs with snapdragon 845 but its camera is not pretty good because Xiaomi just nerf the Poco's camera in the stock camera so you have to install a google camera. Mi 8 SE has snapdragon 710 which is quite rare and according to some people, it's a Snapdragon 845 with a weaker GPU.
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Xiaomi Mi 8 SE not available in US as of now unless you want it shipped from China.
Pocophone is an option, but a little expensive for my tastes ($345 for 64GB model) and not available with US warranty (yet).
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Xiaomi Mi 8 SE not available in US as of now unless you want it shipped from China.
Pocophone is an option, but a little expensive for my tastes ($345 for 64GB model) and not available with US warranty (yet).
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From everything I found, at that price point, the Pocophone is the best one, anything cheaper is way worse and not many things a little bit more expensive like at $400 or $500 are still not as good as it is. You don't really have to worry about warranty if you buy on Amazon though, if Xiaomi don't give you warranty, Amazon will as well as the resellers so don't worry about that. Bellow that 300 bucks, you may also get some other Xiaomi phones with good specs but most of them are using snapdragon 6xx which is not quite good.
Essential phone is truly the lowest price replacement of good quality.
I wouldn't recommend that pocophone for anyone in America because it doesn't work on Verizon or Sprint.
The pixel phones are all decent, but they have major hardware issues and look ugly.
LG makes the best looking and some of the most feature rich phones, but can't ever update software. (V30 is just an awesome phone form factor tho)
If I had to recommend a few replacements these would be it:
Galaxy s8 or newer Samsung flagships (TouchWiz is better than stock Android in 2018 amazingly)
Essential phone
LG v30*
Oneplus 6t (No other OnePlus phones though because the rest are beat by Galaxy s8/s9 and the essential phone at every price point)
*For v30 you must be a regular headphone jack user. That quad dac is amazing. Makes a $10 pair of headphones sound like $150, and regular car speakers sound like a full on audio upgrade. Being an LG there is next to no software support and no dev support, but the audio almost makes up for it.
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Other option to consider however....
Downgrade to upgrade.
The 5x sucks you'll be happier with a Galaxy note 4, note 3, or a Nexus 6 as they are all faster and better phones in 2018 due to having 3gb of ram.
Plus they have great dev support and in the note devices extended batteries that can last a long time. Going from a Nexus 5x to any flagship with 3gb or more of ram in the last 5 years is really a massive upgrade. That 1gb of ram is the difference between usable and unusable.
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Downgrade to upgrade.
The 5x sucks you'll be happier with a Galaxy note 4, note 3, or a Nexus 6 as they are all faster and better phones in 2018 due to having 3gb of ram.
Plus they have great dev support and in the note devices extended batteries that can last a long time. Going from a Nexus 5x to any flagship with 3gb or more of ram in the last 5 years is really a massive upgrade. That 1gb of ram is the difference between usable and unusable.
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Thanks for all that, Nascar. Lot's to consider, but the 'downgrade to upgrade' is a valid point. I was eyeing some refurb Galaxy s# phones, maybe I'll go for that.
I have bought a OnePlus 6 with the discount from Black Friday (and that will be valid until Christmas, I think). It is exactly the same price as the Nexus 5x 32gb originally.: $429,00. In this sense I think it is a proper successor. It is a little big, though.
And I disagree with the post above. The S8 is a great phone, but it is worse than the OnePlus 6 in most aspects but the camera.
I'm a big OnePlus fan myself, but I have to question the big price hike for the 8 pro this year, even compared to last years OnePlus 7 Pro.
OnePlus made their name by selling near flagship spec'd phones, but minus some features, and had a near vanilla stock Android UI, and all that for a super budget affordable price. I bought the OnePlus One for $299, and LOVED that phone, at that time flagships like the latest iPhone 6 Plus and Samsung Galaxy were selling for $749.
I get it, that super cheap price wasn't going to last forever with OnePlus, and I expected some creep up in pricing each model, but F me, not $1,000+ now. Sorry but screw that price for a OnePlus phone, or heck any phone for that matter. I think a fair price for the OnePlus 8 Pro should be like in the $699 / $749 range.
Some of their best models and pricing at launch;
OnePlus One was $299/$349 @ launch
OnePlus 3T was $439 @ launch
OnePlus 5T was $499 @ launch
OnePlus 6T was $549 @ launch
OnePlus 7 Pro was $669 @ launch
OnePlus 8 Pro is currently $900+
So it seems each year OnePlus increased the price anywhere from $50 to $100 annually. Lets do the middle which would be $75 per year, so 6 years later that's approx. $450, add that to the $300 price of the original OnePlus One, and that would put the OnePlus 8 Pro @ approx. $750, which to me is fair, not bad. But $1,000 NO WAY.
My question, the 7 Pro was $670 @ launch, now the 8 Pro is $900 @ launch, that's a huge jump up in price between the 7P and 8P, by far their biggest leap in pricing between model years. Because OnePlus have been on an annual trend of $50 to $100 price increases each year, then all of a sudden a massive $225+ increase from last year.
theres alot of things added that upped the price of the phone, 5g , chipset , display , water rating , wireless charge, refresh rate and more. if you think they can just lower the price of the phone whats the point of having a businses if theyre is no profit. at least i can say even they have this profit margin on it its not like iphones price range.
It's all in the marketing...
We always saw OnePlus as offering Flagship killers to compete with the big companies, Apple & Samsung. What better way to gain a following than offer phones that compete with the latest flagships and are priced starkly lower?
OnePlus has just been introduced to the market, relative to the big boy brands. But now they are moving into actually competing with the flagships, it's no longer Apple & Samsung, now OnePlus will be among them. The OnePLus 8 Pro is the company's very first true flagship. It offers things that every OnePlus device to date didn't; Wireless Charging, IP65 water & dust resistance rating, 120hz display, a massive camera upgrade, and of course 5G.
Simply put, OnePlus is moving into its new home, into true flagship territory.
The main thing is the inclusion of the 5G radio on all the models. Qualcomm broke out the radio portion of the chipset into a discrete unit, further adding to the price.
Waterproof
Wireless charging
5G (main reason, separate chip)
Screen
CPU / GPU
It'll stop now, this is their go to price. Won't go much higher.
It's a top of the line phone at the moment with all the latest hi-tech features that brings it over the other top brands and phones.
IP68 and some other certifications for selling officially at west. Because in india and china phone starts from 700USD. With same specs. And oneplus is expanded their business around world this year too much. Thats why they need to collect some money from west this year. And if you are located in US buying oneplus is just idiotical thing. You can get S20+ with snapdragon+mmwave support. But in EU we cannot get snapdragon S20+. Thats why it's sells in here.
I was a user of the Oneplus One and I bought it for € 300 + shipping its 64GB version. It was my everyday phone for 3 years until I sold it and bought myself a sagit. At that time I saw the tendency to raise prices, the price I think I remember increasing by about € 30 and so on, without technological justification. For implanting an nfc chip (value of € 0.0001) the prices increased by € 30 or more. For every euro or dollar that increases in production, they multiply it in an exaggerated way. I calculate that the profit margins on the phones can be 500% or more. In some cases they are creating unnecessary needs to raise prices more and more. They are looking for our limit and want to considerably separate the high, medium and low ranges. The financing of cars, telephones ... etc is being promoted. This matter is long to explain, but basically we users have to plant ourselves before it is too late, I would not like that in 5 or 10 years I will have to mortgage myself to buy a phone just as they are doing with cars. Our best weapon is not to spend more than € 400 and custom ROMs so that the durability of our phone is more than 5 years. Sales have to go down, we have to buy cheaper phones and keep our old phones as best we can. It's the best we can do to make this irreversible (although I think it already is). Long live custom ROMs and their developers, heroes.