Can anyone tell me if there is a technical reason Bluetooth SAP/rSAP cannot be delivered on the Windows Phone 7 platform, or are the just being lazy about delivering it??
So... no reply cause nobody knows or no reply cause I'm being a n00b and this is answered elsewhere? Or something worse?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rsap+windows+phone+7
Just follow the first link "Frage zu SAP..." (german)
So far only these BT profiles are implemented:
PBAP — Phone Book Access Profile
A2DP — Advanced Audio Distribution Profile
HSP — Headset Profile
HFP — Hands-Free Profile
AVRCP — A/V Remote Control Profile
Anything else would be speculation, because Mango BT updates known so far:
http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-mango-bluetooth-stack-updated-but-not-much/
esackbauer said:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rsap+windows+phone+7
Just follow the first link "Frage zu SAP..." (german)
So far only these BT profiles are implemented:
PBAP — Phone Book Access Profile
A2DP — Advanced Audio Distribution Profile
HSP — Headset Profile
HFP — Hands-Free Profile
AVRCP — A/V Remote Control Profile
Anything else would be speculation, because Mango BT updates known so far:
http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-mango-bluetooth-stack-updated-but-not-much/
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Thanks - just saw that qualified listing and was a little disappointed. I checked the one for Apple iOS (listed as software version 4.1 and 4.2) and it also doesn't mention SAP or rSAP, but I know it does support those profiles, so I'm wondering whether I am just reading it wrong.
The differences are that iOS has:
RFCOMM
Bluetooth Network Encapsulation Protocol
Personal Area Networking Profile
HID
Interop Test Spec
Which one of these is linked to SAP/rSAP?
How do you "know" that iPhone supports rSAP? It does not, not even 4.3:
http://iamtim.de/2011/05/das-iphone-und-das-sim-access-profil-sap-oder-rsap/
None of these profiles you listed is rSAP (or SAP, SIM), as written here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile#SIM_Access_Profile_.28SAP.2C_SIM.2C_rSAP.29
esackbauer said:
How do you "know" that iPhone supports rSAP? It does not, not even 4.3:
http://iamtim.de/2011/05/das-iphone-und-das-sim-access-profil-sap-oder-rsap/
None of these profiles you listed is rSAP (or SAP, SIM), as written here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile#SIM_Access_Profile_.28SAP.2C_SIM.2C_rSAP.29
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Well I suppose to be clear I don't "know", I just "think". The reason I "think" is because it communicates with my car, that says it "requires" SIM Access Profile, whereas my phone REFUSES to communicate with my car.
Additional detail: the car actually supports 2 bluetooth "modes": Headphone mode and SIM Access mode. If I have the car initiate the bluetooth connection it will use the remote SIM mode, and if the phone initiates the connection it will use the "headphones" mode.
A Nokia N97 works in both directions. As does the iPhone 3 and 4. My Samsung Omnia 7 won't do either.
Maybe Mango will be a solution, because it updates the Headset and Hands-free profiles.
"New is Hand-Free Profile 1.5, which should mean better support for Bluetooth car kits. "
Also there comes PBA (Phonebook Access profile), which is basically the same as SAP, but it uses the radio of the phone, instead the radio inbuilt to the car kit.
PBA and your interpretation of it being very similar to SAP sounds quite interesting yet it will most likely not be recognized by SAP-only car-kits like the older VW premium handsfree-boxes. I for instance refrain from switching to any other OS than windows Mobile simply because i need my phone working with the car kit and i am not going to buy a new car because my phone doesnt support the current.
Well, anyhow. I was going to say, that if the PBA doesn't support some kinda fake-SAp mode (pretend to be sap or so) it will most likely not help anyone with sap-only car kits. not matter how much it is similar to sap.
sorry to say this.
Sneakyghost said:
I for instance refrain from switching to any other OS than windows Mobile simply because i need my phone working with the car kit and i am not going to buy a new car because my phone doesnt support the current.
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While i have both versions of Windows OS and yes the 6.x suported rSAP, the new WP7 does not. If you want a new phone that supports rSAP then Android fills the bill. Microsoft really dropped the ball by not supporting rSAP. Like you, have a VW-based phone system and without rSAP support the current handsfree phone protocols in WP7 is basically worthless.
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Just updated my phone to Mango, and annoyingly neither the headphone mode or reomte SIM modes work. This is a deal-breaker for me.
While I was quite enjoying the phone I am now going to switch to a Galaxy SII which works reliably in both directions, and connects properly to my WiFi as well. A real shame, but I can't imagine another WP update will be coming too soon and I don't have any patience left.
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Maybe Mango will be a solution, because it updates the Headset and Hands-free profiles.
"New is Hand-Free Profile 1.5, which should mean better support for Bluetooth car kits. "
Also there comes PBA (Phonebook Access profile), which is basically the same as SAP, but it uses the radio of the phone, instead the radio inbuilt to the car kit.
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Since update my Omnia 7 to Mango, I get a lot of "BT connection error" on my display car.
all working here.
car radio is a Kenwood.
Finally now the phone transmits the name of the song playing to the headunit! like windows mobile.
Voice comands thru the Headunit work amazing too.The other day i received an sms while driving, voice comand told me that there was a new sms from Ken,then it ask me if i wanted it read out loud! I said yes and it did, at the end it ask me if i want it to reply to.
Also this is the only phone that actually auto connects to the car stereo,all my android devices need to be reconnected manually.
Funny thing all of this was set up by just pairing the device with the headunit.
Well my "head unit" is integrated into the dash - it's a Porsche touch screen system called PCM (which I think, lamely, stands for Porsche Control Module). I have anecdotal evidence that other WP7 models will connect which makes me think it may actually be the Samsung Omnia 7 itself and not WP7 per se.
What sux is that my Samsung Galaxy S2 works perfectly and my wife's iPhone4 works perfectly. So it isn't the car.
...I really haven't got the patience to wait for the Win8 update and keep using headphones for the next year!
some news here?
Hi all,
Recently got my company car, a Prius, with the Toyota Touch pro nav system in it. This requires Bluetooth DUN support so I will get updates and search, etc.
Unfortunately, I understand from the specs of my HTC Trophy the DUN profile is not supported. My carrier does support Internet tethering, but that is only offered on my phone via WIFI. I would not mind to install a custom ROM or some additional drivers/apps to enable this. Any suggestions or other people with this problem?
And yes, I know, Bluetooth DUN is quite old, but unfortunately, it seems the car industry lags far behind the technological evolution if it comes to there nav systems. I mean; why not just add an iPad dock ?
Thanks all; great site this!
SIM Access Profile (SAP, SIM, rSAP)
This profile allows devices such as car phones with built-in GSM transceivers to connect to a SIM card in a Bluetooth enabled phone, thus the car phone itself doesn't require a separate SIM card. This profile is sometimes referred to as rSAP (remote-SIM-Access-Profile), though that name does not appear in the profile specification published by the Bluetooth SIG.
There is any way to check if the Samsung Galaxy S5 Duos G900FD has this Bluetooth profile bulit-in ? It's very important because without this profile I get only minimal functionality on the VW Bluetooth module.
I am asking because I cannot connect properly the phone to my VW bluetooth module (I got only basic functionality, no WiFi support on the latest 3C8035730D VW Bluetooth Module)
When testing with a LG L70, the connection is ok, with rSAP (remote SIM Access profile active) and I get all the functionality of the VW module.
If the phone supports rSAP, how could be enabled ?
Thank you.
Problem solved.
I managed to activate the rSAP Bluetooth profile on the Galaxy S5 G900FD.
Many thanks.
How did you achieve this?
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How did you achieve this?
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The Samsung Galaxy S5 has this bluetooth profile embeeded but it had to be activated by rooting the phone and using the Android rSAP app.
Too much trouble for such an essential feature for those who want to use their smartphones while driving.
Android should enable this Bluetooth profile in Android Lollipop for the Galaxy S5.
Hello,
I want to help a friend with continuous glucose monitoring. His pomp hardware has bluetooth and it is possible to connect it to phone. But only a few phones are compatible - Iphones and a few models of Samsung. When you don't have a compatible phone application displays error.
So, I edited build.prop and application works but I can't find CGM device. I wonder why. What is a difference in bluetooth module in samsung and one plus 5? Or maybe do you know other reason why OP5 can't find this device?
BTW, here is an app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/...l&rdid=com.medtronic.diabetes.guardianconnect
Hi all,
I'm using a Android TV 10 streaming box.
A question that seems straightforward to me, but one I can't find an answer to;
Is there any way to see with what Bluetooth version a connected device is communicating?
(to be clear, when I say connected, I mean connected via Bluetooth)
I have a conflict with a Amazon seller.
He advertised his product (rx/tx Bluetooth receiver) as having Bluetooth 5.0 but I have my doubts as similar products have Bluetooth 3.0 class 2 chips on them.
He says his product is an upgraded version, but that doesn't seem very likely.
As the package, manual and product are quite generic and don't show much in the form of specs there isn't much to go on.
So it would be nice if I could check the Bluetooth version being used in the connection.
Any way to do this?
System info apps I found only seem to tell the Bluetooth version of the device it's running on, not connected devices.