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Sadly enough I have noticed that the xperia X1 does not like my premium volkswagen carkit. As used in passat or audi or skoda superb, bmw, Mercedes, etc.
I have an RNS-510, but have also tried it with a RNS-310. Both having the premium carkit in it. Also called carkit III.
It uses rSAP to enable transfer of contacts and phone settings control.
I have tested with a nokia N95 and it works perfectly fine with that after you enable the remote sim access profile. Also known as SAP.
Sadly enough, the X1 refuses to connect. The carkit just says the phone is not compatible.
Anybody have any clue what to do?
Maybe a custom ROM which does have this functionality? Or a tool that can be added?
u r talking about remote sim access right?
my rom (cmex absolute touch) got an option to enable it under bluetooth setting (connections)
Yes or You use this little cab! Works perfectly with VW Golf VI PRemium Handsfreekit. I used the smaller file, but if it dont works try the bigger one!
In the bluetoothsettings you should find the sap profile after the installation, and in the programs a small utility to activate it. the Xperia himself has no SAP Profile!
wow!
I definately came to the right place! I will try this out tommorow first thing and let you know if it works!
Thnx's again. Also considering your rom now achmed20, because I believe this is quite basic functionality which should have been there in the first place!
As I said, I'll let you know if this worked!
not working yet
Well, that helped, a bit.
I get to the connection screen, have to enter the 16 digit pincode and after that the car just says connecting, and stays doing this for a minute or two and then just says failed or not compatible.
So I'm a lot further, but it isn't working yet! I'm thinking because of all the things I have tried, I might have broken it somewhere, but unsure how or what.
Thinking of maybe flashing it with a different (custom) rom, to see if that might fix the problem.
Anyone have any other advice?
no experience with the kind of trouble your having but if you want to try off on a fresh start, i would do a hard reset, then install the cab fix that was recommended.
still not working
I just installed the cmEX absolute TOUCH rom and did a hard reset after that.
Enabled rsap on the last tab of bluetooth and the car says its connecting and just does that for a long time (after entering pin code). Sadly enough, it just times out.
Anybody have any clue what could be the problem? I have the feeling we are allmost there, but there is just a little thing causing it to time out.
rsap even says it's connected to my skoda and everything.
From what I can gather, the cmEX absolute TOUCH rom is based on a touch HD.
more testing!
Okay, from what I have been able to gather, the following is going on.
The carkit is trying to log on in a frequency that it cannot handle.
I have been able to connect the carkit, download the address book and make calls with my Xperia now. No problems what so ever....except one. I was using a SIM from a collega whom has a different network!
I use t-mobile and my collegea has kpn/telfort. Doing more research, I have learned that kpn/telfort and vodaphone use the 1800 band frequency. And that t-mobile uses the 900 frequency.
I am not entirely certain at this point that this truly is the real problem, but, my phone works, my carkit and car works, so all the software bits are in sync, but only using a different sim. Rebooting the phone, changing nothing but the sim, makes it completely broken again!!
I'm using a RNS-510 with the Skoda/VW premium carkit. If anyone is able to shed some light on this and what possible fixes could be, I'd really like to hear!
I have been looking (and mailed) if a fiscon unit could potentionaly fix this problem. They also have units which intergrate with the system.
But I'd rather find a software solution, obviously. Sadly enough, manny cases can be found where people have problems, often, with no solution. This problems is *NOT* specefic to the Xperia, I do realize that now, since the new ROM, rSAP is working just fine.
more complex then ever....
Okay, things just more complex then ever before.
My x1 using a HTC touch HD rom base and rSAP from HTC (default in rom).
KPN sim = works and can call
Vodaphone sim = logs in but carkit crashes on trying to connect to cell towers. But car connection functions.
T-mobile sim = connection to carkit never gets finished.
I'm totally lost. Using a friends N95, all the sims work flawlessly.... which makes me even more clueless, because the carkit reads the sim data and then connects using it's own radio to the cell network.
Please, advice? How can this be fixed? Is there a different version of the HTC rSAP software available maybe?
The plot thickens again.
Using my sim card in my X1, not working. Original ROM, Original ROM + rSAP extensions, cooked rom from touch HD with native rSAP. Just non-functional.
Using the exact same phone, without the t-mobile sim but with the KPN sim, works perfectly, no problems what so ever.
Using an older Nokia E50, both sims work flawlessly, also my t-mobile sim.
This leads me to one conclusion and that is that the HTC rSAP implementation is seriously bugged.
Anyone have any idea on how to proceed? Somewhere I have read that the HTC's wouldn't handle 3G or UMTS sims and only use older ones. But, using the KPN sim I connect to 3G and it works. Also the nokia E50 of N95 can use any network and it just plain works. There for that statement is wrong in my opinion and it is caused by buggy software of HTC.
Anyone have a good idea on how to proceed? Lots of people having this problem and buying nokia's, but for no real reason other then buggy software it seems.
I really like my X1, and payed a lot of money for it, so I really need this to start working.... Please assist and help, also people with a diamond or other HTC, using the same software.
sadly enough, no progress
Did some tests again today, but sadly enough, no progress yet.
I'm going to try and get a hold of a Touch Diamond and a Touch HD and see how those preform with my sim. If my suspiciouns are correct, they will also fail, making this a combination of bad software with bugs with certain sim's.
That is the conclusion I am faced with right now... sadly enough, no idea how this can be remedied.
Are there developers whom might be able to write a reliable rsap implementation or will HTC ever come with a working version?
What do you guys think?
Sonyericsson will not provide SAP for the Xperia. Thats the point....
Been in contact with support
I have been in contact with Sony-Ericsson support and they tell me they cannot make the X1 compatible, because it is not just software.
Off course, to me this sound like total bull****, seeying I have allready had an raap connection with the X1. But this was either using HTC software add-on's or using a rom that was based on the htc touch HD.
Sadly enough, I cannot work without this functionality... and thus will be forced to sell my phone and buy... a nokia.... not bad, since I have had nokia's all my life. But I really really do not eNjoy beying forced to do so.
But everybody has known that the xperia has no SAP Profile... in every test, in every Datasheet you can see it! Why you buyed an xperia?
Wrong order
I orderd the x1 around the same time I orderd my new car (Skoda Superb II 2.0 TDI Ambition Business line ).
The car came with a carkit that can only do rSAP, but it is very very nicely intergrated with a external antenna, full adress book acces, etc. etc.
To my amazement, there was no rSAP on the phone, while all current high end models do carry support for it. Thus thought that a simple program or rom fix would provide it.... sadly enough, while some stuff works, it is very very flaky.
So it's a combination issue, off course I realize that. But I'd rather replace my phone and sell the x1, then having to change the carkit piece in my car (it is far more expensive). And still, I just cannot believe that such a basic function, is not in there.
Especially because it is made by HTC, which do carry this functionality!
So the problem was created by having both products in the same time frame. And my reluctance to believe such a high end phone would not carry this protocol.
From closer reading though. It seems that the x1 (with a custom rom) is not at fault here. If my speculations are right, any htc device with rsap from factory even has a big change that it is not going to function. Also reflected by my tests.
Using a HTC touch HD based rom on the X1, rsap is added and functions brilliantly using a KPN sim. Vodaphone works sometimes and crashes the carkit now and then and using a t-mobile sim, it does not work, at all. Since I have a t-mobile business account... it doesn't work at all for me.
I have not been able to get a hold of a Touch HD or Touch Pro to test if these problems also form on that phone, but will do so when I get the change.
So for now, even the HTC software seems to be bugged and thus I have formed my conclusion that my best option is to go back to nokia (which I have used for about 10 years now). The x1 is great, but not beying able to call in the car.... that just isn't going to work for me.
The new N97 looks pretty decent....
I have a jetta 06 tdi with mfd2(dvd version rev c) and skoda (kufatec) bluetooth modul installed by myself. I can do a Synchronisation of the Phonebook with Names and Numbers , dialed and missed calls , incomming calls with Names and i have a option to accept or decline a Call from the fis display , using my Multifunction Steering Wheel. Everything working perfect with my Xperia x1i.
Hmm
Most likely that module is a fiscon module or an older part of skoda. Am I correct?
The fiscon does not use rsap and older premium carkits from VW also did not. But their newest carkits included in the passat CC and skoda superb II are rsap only.
Quindor said:
Most likely that module is a fiscon module or an older part of skoda. Am I correct?
The fiscon does not use rsap and older premium carkits from VW also did not. But their newest carkits included in the passat CC and skoda superb II are rsap only.
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Im not sure we can post a direct link here to another website , but there is what im using in my Jetta : http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_....html/XTCsid/9f268df051bdc7806c7825cc426d606c
Old Version
Ah, yes. That is an orginal skoda part, but it is the older version from the Superb I and not the Superb II. That uses the other profiles and not rSAP.
touch HD behaves just the same
Hi everybody.
I had the chance to test both X1 (rSAP from cabs in post #3, thanks by the way) and HD (native rSAP implementation) on a VW touareg premium car kit and I must say they suffer from the same problems: most of the time the connection is established, but immediately drops and enters an endless loop of connection/disconnection, where everything can happen: car kit crashes, phone crashes, vodafone goes bankrupt, etc.
What hurts the most, though, is that very rarely and randomly, the connection with X1 is firmly established and everything, for unknown reasons, starts to work fine. This drives me crazy, for it would be a lot easier to cope if the feature wasn't available full stop.
Nonetheless, this makes me think a solution must exist somewhere, but I'm too much of a noob to find it...
Hope this helps, byebye.
Hi everybody,
is there any news using the Mercedes Bluetooth SAP cradle with the HTC Touch HD?
Comand will detect the Phone, but then won't trigger the authentication dialog on the phone but instead gives up immediately.
Thanks
Frank
The version using remote SIM access will not work, you have to replace it with the Hands Free Profile adaptor Mercedes Part No:B6787 5877, which works fine but doesn't use the antenna and amp built into the car, it uses the phone's own antenna so connection is not as reliable. Has been working OK for me though.
SAP compatibility
Yeh, I would of thought a high profile phone like the HD would support this.
I have had to settle for the far inferior HFP with poor connectivity and reception.
I don't think it is rocket science, but perhaps less of a priority for our wizards at XDA.
Would welcome any suggestions besides changing my phone or my car.
I'm using the MB Bluetooth cradle adaptor in an '07 ML. Pairs up and works great for answering and dialing out but there is no access to the HD phonebook or previously dialed numbers. Sad as the wifes iPhone is 100% compatible.
mmdirk
I have exactly the same problem,just added a new post on this!
I find that once you flash a rom you can have full functionality but when you add any extra programs you cannot view the address book or the recent calls.Very frustrating.
It would be awesome if someone stumbled upon a tweak that would correct the problem. I'll try some bluetooth setting changes in montecristoff's HD tweak and report back if I have any success.
I am using the VW Passats Sim Access Profile and this works perfectly. Make sure that the SAP is activated under the bluetooth settings on the phone..
I also cannot sync the adress book, but had the same problem with my old Touch. Guess this is a WinMob problem. A workaround is to use the SIM Manager and copy your contacts on your SIM card as well, they won't show up in the contact list anyhow. Then have the car sync with the SIM card and all is ok...
remko
Thanks,I've tried that,unfortunately it still does not work.Considering this state of the art equipment,its very sad that there is still no solution after many years(given that I am sure this is possible with a little effort by the people in the know how).Mercedes have screwed this up big-style..again
Actually, I'm not sure its MB's fault. Like I said the wifes iPhone is 100% compatible and so was her Motorola razr before that. To me this points the finger at WM.
mmdirk said:
Actually, I'm not sure its MB's fault. Like I said the wifes iPhone is 100% compatible and so was her Motorola razr before that. To me this points the finger at WM.
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Actually it's Mercedez's fault. MB is known by the lack of support for BT connection on their cars...
My father has a CLS, and by default only supports a handful of mobile phones. He has a SE k800i and the CLS wont go with that phone. And there's a official list, from MB, with only a few phones that work with the builtin BT on the CLS.
On the other hand his phone works like a charm, like my HD, on my BMW S1. This also includes full support on BT SAP.
Shame to MB
Note: I don't know if these issues have changed lately, ie more support to more BT phones from MB on their cars. Maybe now MB has more support on this.
I've got a jvc headunit which is pairing nicely and auto connecting with my hd, one main issue though it it doesn't seem to be sending through the id3 tags, anyone managed to get these sent through from htc touchflo 3d?
i`m having the same problem! using the HTC Touch Pro with Mercedes Bluetooth HFP Cradle on E Class. Everything works perfect, except the thing, that i can`t see my contacts on the Command!
Any suggestions, please
N95 and SAP
I have a Nokia N95 8gb and I'm thinking of buying the Mercedes bluetooth SAP-profile for my CLK. I was a bit surprised though when I read on www.viseeo.se (in Sweden) that the SAP-profile does not import the contacts from the phone memory, only the SIM-memory.
Anybody using N95 with the MB SAP that can confirm this?
I prefer original MB products of course.
Thanks!
I can confirm that the N95 8GB works with the SAP module but you do have to copy your contacts onto the SIM.
Rapidly starting to regret getting a new Sony X1...
Are there any news about this problem?
I cannot connect the htc touch hd with the BT craddle from my mercedes glk (partnbr: A2048200535).
I had no problems with accessing the phonebook (POL and SIM) with the HFP Module on my 2005 C-Class (Comand) and my Orbit. The 2009 C-Class uses a different system so I cant say anything about the HD. BUT, I had good success (in the former car) with this little software when it came to the sync of bigger contact lists: JetWare Mobile http://www.jetwaremobile.com/
Lets you choose what contacts you want to sync. Perhaps it helps you with your problem, too.
Tobbi
Hi, i recently got a HTC HD Touch on Orange which i bought on ebay. The phone already came loaded with WM 6.5 on and so far i love it except for one problem. I have a Datsun 350z with intergrated bluetooth. When i tried to search on my phone it couldnt see anything, so this morning i upgraded my phones ROM to the latest Dutty's_HD_WM6.5_5.2.23016.5.0.3_Leo_R5. Since then i can search and find the bluetooth device of the car, input the pin code for it and it is added in my devices tab, however nothing appears in the "Select services to use from this device" section.
I am wondering if nyone had any idea if i am doing something wrong or whether its jsut that my car doesnt support the phone? I was also thinking about reverting back to WM6.1, would that work? Also, how do i go about getting a vanilla copy of WM 6.1?
Any help would be much appreciated,
Regards
jc0r
Just a quick update. I can get the phone to connect to the bluetooth module in the car but its not easy. Basically when i put the keys in ignition that bluetooth gets power, i then have to quickly search for bluetooth devices on my phone and then it will connect. Would be nice if the phone just connected everytime to the car like my Blackberry did. Is this hardware or software problem please?
Not that anyone actually cares about my problem but i thought i post the answer up for anyone that might be struggling in future.
What was stopping my Bluetooth working with my car was having WiFi on. When i disable WiFi the car + phone works perfectly together. In my particular situation i use my phone to connect to an ad-hoc network, and because the phone is not connected to the ad-hoc when in my car the searching constantly is causing the problem. Whether this would be the same with infrustucture mode im not sure.
Has anyone actually got Bluetooth DUN working under 2.1 ?
I've tried multiple computers, multiple bluetooth adapters and none of them see my X10 as offering the Dial-Up service. What the hell? I thought 2.1 was supposed to get Bluetooth DUN.
Bluetooth on Android is bloody terrible.
it has to be implemented from the kernel side, I have played before with some chinese android tablets and I could make a DUN connection to my nokia.
Also some archos tablets comes with this functionality on by default, even has a nice menu on wireless settings to set it up
Can anyone tell me if there is a technical reason Bluetooth SAP/rSAP cannot be delivered on the Windows Phone 7 platform, or are the just being lazy about delivering it??
So... no reply cause nobody knows or no reply cause I'm being a n00b and this is answered elsewhere? Or something worse?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rsap+windows+phone+7
Just follow the first link "Frage zu SAP..." (german)
So far only these BT profiles are implemented:
PBAP — Phone Book Access Profile
A2DP — Advanced Audio Distribution Profile
HSP — Headset Profile
HFP — Hands-Free Profile
AVRCP — A/V Remote Control Profile
Anything else would be speculation, because Mango BT updates known so far:
http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-mango-bluetooth-stack-updated-but-not-much/
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rsap+windows+phone+7
Just follow the first link "Frage zu SAP..." (german)
So far only these BT profiles are implemented:
PBAP — Phone Book Access Profile
A2DP — Advanced Audio Distribution Profile
HSP — Headset Profile
HFP — Hands-Free Profile
AVRCP — A/V Remote Control Profile
Anything else would be speculation, because Mango BT updates known so far:
http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-mango-bluetooth-stack-updated-but-not-much/
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Thanks - just saw that qualified listing and was a little disappointed. I checked the one for Apple iOS (listed as software version 4.1 and 4.2) and it also doesn't mention SAP or rSAP, but I know it does support those profiles, so I'm wondering whether I am just reading it wrong.
The differences are that iOS has:
RFCOMM
Bluetooth Network Encapsulation Protocol
Personal Area Networking Profile
HID
Interop Test Spec
Which one of these is linked to SAP/rSAP?
How do you "know" that iPhone supports rSAP? It does not, not even 4.3:
http://iamtim.de/2011/05/das-iphone-und-das-sim-access-profil-sap-oder-rsap/
None of these profiles you listed is rSAP (or SAP, SIM), as written here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile#SIM_Access_Profile_.28SAP.2C_SIM.2C_rSAP.29
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How do you "know" that iPhone supports rSAP? It does not, not even 4.3:
http://iamtim.de/2011/05/das-iphone-und-das-sim-access-profil-sap-oder-rsap/
None of these profiles you listed is rSAP (or SAP, SIM), as written here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile#SIM_Access_Profile_.28SAP.2C_SIM.2C_rSAP.29
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Well I suppose to be clear I don't "know", I just "think". The reason I "think" is because it communicates with my car, that says it "requires" SIM Access Profile, whereas my phone REFUSES to communicate with my car.
Additional detail: the car actually supports 2 bluetooth "modes": Headphone mode and SIM Access mode. If I have the car initiate the bluetooth connection it will use the remote SIM mode, and if the phone initiates the connection it will use the "headphones" mode.
A Nokia N97 works in both directions. As does the iPhone 3 and 4. My Samsung Omnia 7 won't do either.
Maybe Mango will be a solution, because it updates the Headset and Hands-free profiles.
"New is Hand-Free Profile 1.5, which should mean better support for Bluetooth car kits. "
Also there comes PBA (Phonebook Access profile), which is basically the same as SAP, but it uses the radio of the phone, instead the radio inbuilt to the car kit.
PBA and your interpretation of it being very similar to SAP sounds quite interesting yet it will most likely not be recognized by SAP-only car-kits like the older VW premium handsfree-boxes. I for instance refrain from switching to any other OS than windows Mobile simply because i need my phone working with the car kit and i am not going to buy a new car because my phone doesnt support the current.
Well, anyhow. I was going to say, that if the PBA doesn't support some kinda fake-SAp mode (pretend to be sap or so) it will most likely not help anyone with sap-only car kits. not matter how much it is similar to sap.
sorry to say this.
Sneakyghost said:
I for instance refrain from switching to any other OS than windows Mobile simply because i need my phone working with the car kit and i am not going to buy a new car because my phone doesnt support the current.
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While i have both versions of Windows OS and yes the 6.x suported rSAP, the new WP7 does not. If you want a new phone that supports rSAP then Android fills the bill. Microsoft really dropped the ball by not supporting rSAP. Like you, have a VW-based phone system and without rSAP support the current handsfree phone protocols in WP7 is basically worthless.
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Just updated my phone to Mango, and annoyingly neither the headphone mode or reomte SIM modes work. This is a deal-breaker for me.
While I was quite enjoying the phone I am now going to switch to a Galaxy SII which works reliably in both directions, and connects properly to my WiFi as well. A real shame, but I can't imagine another WP update will be coming too soon and I don't have any patience left.
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Maybe Mango will be a solution, because it updates the Headset and Hands-free profiles.
"New is Hand-Free Profile 1.5, which should mean better support for Bluetooth car kits. "
Also there comes PBA (Phonebook Access profile), which is basically the same as SAP, but it uses the radio of the phone, instead the radio inbuilt to the car kit.
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Since update my Omnia 7 to Mango, I get a lot of "BT connection error" on my display car.
all working here.
car radio is a Kenwood.
Finally now the phone transmits the name of the song playing to the headunit! like windows mobile.
Voice comands thru the Headunit work amazing too.The other day i received an sms while driving, voice comand told me that there was a new sms from Ken,then it ask me if i wanted it read out loud! I said yes and it did, at the end it ask me if i want it to reply to.
Also this is the only phone that actually auto connects to the car stereo,all my android devices need to be reconnected manually.
Funny thing all of this was set up by just pairing the device with the headunit.
Well my "head unit" is integrated into the dash - it's a Porsche touch screen system called PCM (which I think, lamely, stands for Porsche Control Module). I have anecdotal evidence that other WP7 models will connect which makes me think it may actually be the Samsung Omnia 7 itself and not WP7 per se.
What sux is that my Samsung Galaxy S2 works perfectly and my wife's iPhone4 works perfectly. So it isn't the car.
...I really haven't got the patience to wait for the Win8 update and keep using headphones for the next year!
some news here?