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Why didn't we get 7.1?

Why couldn't samsung simply rip out the spen junk from the note rom and release it on our phones?

Because they're working on Oreo

crixley said:
Because they're working on Oreo
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That's not a valid excuse, 7.1 came out in oct 2016, 7 months later the s8 was released with an os that came out in august 2016.
These are not midrange phones, we deserve better.

peachpuff said:
That's not a valid excuse, 7.1 came out in oct 2016, 7 months later the s8 was released with an os that came out in august 2016.
These are not midrange phones, we deserve better.
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So what is your complaint exactly? You're angry about the fact that we didn't get a rom then, even though we're getting the latest version now? You knew about it, bought it, then came here to complain about it 7 months or so afterwards?
What was so important that changed from 7.0 to 7.1? I have a feeling you're just looking to whine about anything possible

My complaint is pretty clear, not sure why you can't see it.

When Android 7.1 was released, it was seen as a Nexus/Pixel exclusive with pixel-only exclusives. It's more surprising that the Note 8 did come with Android 7.1 than the S8 not getting an update. Most skinned manufacturers decided early on to skip 7.1 in favor of 8.0

Why didn't we get 6.1?
Samsung releases the major builds and frequent updates. We don't need stuff that's more suited for a pixel. If you're that concerned, buy a pixel.

joe3681 said:
Why didn't we get 6.1?
Samsung releases the major builds and frequent updates. We don't need stuff that's more suited for a pixel. If you're that concerned, buy a pixel.
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Except Samsung did get the 6.0.1 update for devices.

Augustin.2 said:
Except Samsung did get the 6.0.1 update for devices.
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I had the S6 Edge +, that was long ago but I don't recall getting it for that device. Either way, obviously wasn't a big deal update

crixley said:
So what is your complaint exactly? You're angry about the fact that we didn't get a rom then, even though we're getting the latest version now? You knew about it, bought it, then came here to complain about it 7 months or so afterwards?
What was so important that changed from 7.0 to 7.1? I have a feeling you're just looking to whine about anything possible
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Do we get 8.1 ?

Samsung only focus on main releases, 7.0 of samsung has all the stuff of the pure 7.1 with it's own UI

Pastorelli's said:
Do we get 8.1 ?
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What's in the 8.1 that you'll be sorely missing?
If you expect every point update, get a Pixel.

crixley said:
What's in the 8.1 that you'll be sorely missing?
If you expect every point update, get a Pixel.
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It was a only question because as you mentioned earlier that the latest version we will get. I do not miss anything

Pastorelli's said:
It was a only question because as you mentioned earlier that the latest version we will get. I do not miss anything
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Sorry I should have been more clear and misunderstood. By the time that 8.1 was out development on 8 would have already started.

Short answer. Do you seriously expect them to complile thousands of packages all over again for a version that changes basically nothing, only to do it all over again 2 months later for a major release?

thenessus said:
Short answer. Do you seriously expect them to complile thousands of packages all over again for a version that changes basically nothing, only to do it all over again 2 months later for a major release?
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Yes, that's their job, they dont get to take a year off after compiling one version of android. If they can release x.1 updates on the note they can do the same on the s8.

peachpuff said:
Why couldn't samsung simply rip out the spen junk from the note rom and release it on our phones?
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I had the S7 Edge, that was long ago but I don't recall getting it for that device. Either way, obviously wasn't a big deal update

Did you get Oreo update already?

Googling about this topic, I can see expected release dates for U11 and U10, but not for U ultra... when the h*ll are they planning to deploy the OTAs? It's been seven months since Oreo went GA... the 2014 Nexus 6 I left behind two months ago, had a newer android version on it (7.0.1)... okay, it was a Nexus, but a 2014 one...
Cheers.

They said until the end of the month... We'll be waiting for another week at least...
Same Sh1t...Different Day.

Still waiting. End of February was muted about. So will have to be patient, normal for HTC software updates.??

bigeras187 said:
Still waiting. End of February was muted about. So will have to be patient, normal for HTC software updates.
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+++++1

This is realy joke from HTC. More than half year from their annoucement... U Ultra was realy last HTC for me.

jasomja said:
This is realy joke from HTC. More than half year from their annoucement... U Ultra was realy last HTC for me.
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Chill... It's HTC... They always lie (HTC A9 Nougat update period) Better whait until May or June...

Every app from HTC is asking for updates...
Maybe something is coming.

karajim80 said:
Every app from HTC is asking for updates...
Maybe something is coming.
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the updates are from feb not march and there still updates for android 7 the new updates will be for 8 soon they are completely different
i have sent a tweet but no reply cause they cant tell the truth at all

Already update

Android 8.0 Oreo update (v2.19.400.1) arrived today, at least on my Indian variant: not bad for a just purchased 250€ device

theres still no news on google about it or anywhere i look so its very ush ush

nice, finally. hope it won't take too long to spread to other markets.
can anyone provide a screenshot of the changelog?
which security patch level is it?
i know, the chances are minimal, but maybe someone could check treble support? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kevintresuelo.treble
thanks!

Screenshot or it never happened.

lots of people on the htc u ultra group on facebook have screenshots https://www.facebook.com/groups/1180454748729142/?fref=nf

https : // drive.google.com/open?id=15uwV73Dy9M4Ac5TTNQ0WpEB76_qj11Bx
Here's the screenshot. No support for Treble unfortunately New icons are quite ugly, but system is snappier and there are more settings in menu.

Good news. LEts hope that it will spread in europe soon also.

Me too, my htc u ultra has been updated to oreo today

how does one get it if there phone is rooted

Update 2.19.400.1
Size 1.32 GB

panda968 said:
how does one get it if there phone is rooted
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You might have to reflash the stock recovery.
I have also gotten the update

February Security update (Retin) is out now !

I'm glad there is finally something came when I clicked the update button after a long time. And here it is, February security update after skipping January and releasing it after mid March, what a great speed of updates. I was hoping for Oreo but Motorola wants to take their time I think. Expected to get Oreo by mid April or they'll just troll us by pushing a March security patch.

Update is of 57mb if you're wondering.

It's ridiculous how the heavily skinned S8 gets Oreo way before near stock Android Moto. Nokia on the other hand is already on 8.1. I hope Moto upgrade directly to 8.1 if they're taking this long.

uchihakurtz said:
It's ridiculous how the heavily skinned S8 gets Oreo way before near stock Android Moto. Nokia on the other hand is already on 8.1. I hope Moto upgrade directly to 8.1 if they're taking this long.
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It's not about skinning, it's about priorities - Moto Z Play is almost 2-year non-flagship device, so you should be happy, that you'll get update. Moto Z2 Force, which is newest flagship is already on Oreo for some time...

uchihakurtz said:
It's ridiculous how the heavily skinned S8 gets Oreo way before near stock Android Moto. Nokia on the other hand is already on 8.1. I hope Moto upgrade directly to 8.1 if they're taking this long.
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It's 8.0 and as pointed out this phone is already old and a non flagship. Comparing this to a S8 is like comparing apples to oranges.

Apple is not on Android but oranges may be
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uchihakurtz said:
It's ridiculous how the heavily skinned S8 gets Oreo way before near stock Android Moto. Nokia on the other hand is already on 8.1. I hope Moto upgrade directly to 8.1 if they're taking this long.
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I read about project treble, it seems the problem with slow updates is vendor implementation. Lenovo just want to slow updates for older phones so people will get frustrated and buy their new phones. It's just a theory, maybe something else is the problem for slow updates. I think in couple of months they'll push last updates to MZP, no expectations for Android P because how slow they are pushing updates, it seems like they just want to get rid of their older devices. It's a common market parctice so I don't have any problem but thanks to XDA developers for making custom roms so users can enjoy new android in older phones too.

They used to be so fast when they were Motorola.. now they are a Lenovo company and SLOW AS HELL.

The phone feels snappier after this security update... maybe I'm dreaming

huma_dawii said:
They used to be so fast when they were Motorola.. now they are a Lenovo company and SLOW AS HELL.
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But still going strong. As said above, our phone is quite old and Moto is still supporting it. You got security update, SOAK testers got 4th build today. I really respect that they are listening testers' feedback, not just releasing major update and letting people to stuck with the buggy one. Which other vendor is putting so much effort?

Zeljko1234 said:
But still going strong. As said above, our phone is quite old and Moto is still supporting it. You got security update, SOAK testers got 4th build today. I really respect that they are listening testers' feedback, not just releasing major update and letting people to stuck with the buggy one. Which other vendor is putting so much effort?
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i m on second build

Zeljko1234 said:
But still going strong. As said above, our phone is quite old and Moto is still supporting it. You got security update, SOAK testers got 4th build today. I really respect that they are listening testers' feedback, not just releasing major update and letting people to stuck with the buggy one. Which other vendor is putting so much effort?
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And how stable is 4th one? Less buggy then the 3rd one?

rafikowy said:
And how stable is 4th one? Less buggy then the 3rd one?
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So far so good but I have to check bugs other users are reporting. Some bugs, like stability, battery drain, etc. are showing up after couple of days. It's not clever to install update, test few things and then report right away that everything works.

Zeljko1234 said:
So far so good but I have to check bugs other users are reporting. Some bugs, like stability, battery drain, etc. are showing up after couple of days. It's not clever to install update, test few things and then report right away that everything works.
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Whatcha mean? I see a ton of people doing just that.. I love the random unresponsiveness still.

Zeljko1234 said:
But still going strong. As said above, our phone is quite old and Moto is still supporting it. You got security update, SOAK testers got 4th build today. I really respect that they are listening testers' feedback, not just releasing major update and letting people to stuck with the buggy one. Which other vendor is putting so much effort?
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newer build number please,

Here you go

My moto z play is RETEU. Why am I still on the December 2017 sesurity patch? Does anyone know?

formula2 said:
My moto z play is RETEU. Why am I still on the December 2017 sesurity patch? Does anyone know?
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Same

abhishekiswithyou said:
newer build number please,
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opn27.76-12-13

Where's the promised regular updates??

Isn't this an android one device which was supposed to get regular updates? My phone is still on the FEBRUARY SECURITY update..
What kind of jerks are working in ASUS???

1st. We are not on android one zone
2nd. There is March 2019 security update

Not that I'm not annoyed at the lack of updates - Pie still isn't pushed to Taiwan and not even Oreo is updated now - but it takes a jerk to call someone a jerk, huh?

Velosofy said:
2nd. There is March 2019 security update
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Really? I'm on the latest oreo, build .340, and have february 2019 patch. The Pie rom are not for global for now. Do you received an update after .340, that is not the beta pie or the first pie released (.050) only for india?

really?are u still believe it??its first time u use asus phone?this not first time they lie to us.

honestly speaking, am i the only one who thinks developers on xda are better than asus developers ? oh yes ofc xda devs are better undoubtedly.
coming to updates part you see its a stock android and still it is taking so long for asus to fix it and update properly and on the other hand we have color and miui os which inspite of being completely custom already are updated to pie and that too with no major bugs whatsoever. not to ignore the fact that miui and color os both are very heavily modified.
Also the fact that nokia, motorola, realme, redmi have already updated almost all their eligible (promised) devices to pie months back if i am correct so where is asus in all of this no where near.
tbh asus is kicking of itself and if all you wanted to do was push the beta as stable after a month then should have done that the same day inspite of making a fake promise coz a fake promise hurts more than a bitter and sad truth
EDIT: i know its not an android one device but come on afterall its completely stock not like miui or color os to take time. instead if redmi and realme goes onto this kind of delay its understandable but not when it comes to stock. i still remember motorola before lenevo took it was always the first to update their devices to new android after google why ? simple coz motorola was using stock android

May be, being irregular is regular for Asus.

Android pie os full of bugs , Câmera APP dosent work some time Nerf to close and Open again to take pictures.... ONLY solution for now is Google câmera...

mab71 said:
Isn't this an android one device which was supposed to get regular updates? My phone is still on the FEBRUARY SECURITY update..
What kind of jerks are working in ASUS???
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First, the Asus ZenFone Max Pro M1 is not the part of Android One Program. And second, there is a Stable Pie version made available by Asus and with much latest Security Patch Level.

SauravKhare said:
First, the Asus ZenFone Max Pro M1 is not the part of Android One Program. And second, there is a Stable Pie version made available by Asus and with much latest Security Patch Level.
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Where can I get that pie update?

SauravKhare said:
First, the Asus ZenFone Max Pro M1 is not the part of Android One Program. And second, there is a Stable Pie version made available by Asus and with much latest Security Patch Level.
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The pie update is full of bugs and what's the point of applying a update if it will hamper your user experience.
Asus sucks and they don't even give any information of further updates now.

mab71 said:
Where can I get that pie update?
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It is made available on Asus' website.
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The pie update is full of bugs and what's the point of applying a update if it will hamper your user experience.
Asus sucks and they don't even give any information of further updates now.
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Yes, it has bugs and it is not up to the mark. But at least they have made available the Pie

Asus is a JOKE and its developers are JERKS!!
Nuff said!!

Regarding future updates

update 3rd Nov: Asus rolling out updates for Zenfone 6
https://www.xda-developers.com/asus-zenfone-6-android-10-update/
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Received update 59. Just security fixes. Does anyone know till how long we will receive updates?
I remember reading way back that we will receive two major Android updates so Android 10 also?
If not wanted to know anyone has used lineage os or another rom for this device and their experiences.

We are supposed to receive Android 10. There's no ETA on it. My device came with 8.1, 340 update and subsequently I received regular updates (056 to 059) and I think it'll be a while till we keep getting them. Asus has been regular on doing this. Apart from battery issues and drops, there aren't any issues to these.

Yup. I too remember the 2 year sw upgrade. I tweeted to asus. They said that they are reviewing whether they are going to push the update 10 update to m1 or not. Apparently they care too much about "stability and experience". They said the list of devices is gonna be out very soon on their official website. This was 4-5days back.

debdeep98 said:
Yup. I too remember the 2 year sw upgrade. I tweeted to asus. They said that they are reviewing whether they are going to push the update 10 update to m1 or not. Apparently they care too much about "stability and experience". They said the list of devices is gonna be out very soon on their official website. This was 4-5days back.
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Stability? If they push it for Max Pro M2, it's going to be a big bluff and nothing else. There's not major difference between M1 & M2 hardwares and if M2 can manage it, so can M1.

debdeep98 said:
Yup. I too remember the 2 year sw upgrade. ... They said the list of devices is gonna be out very soon on their official website. This was 4-5days back.
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We have list from other manufactures hope so Asus releases soon.
https://fossbytes.com/android-q-smartphone-list/

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Stability? If they push it for Max Pro M2, it's going to be a big bluff and nothing else. There's not major difference between M1 & M2 hardwares and if M2 can manage it, so can M1.
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Is not the m2 a 660 chipset and m1 is 636?

pankym24 said:
Is not the m2 a 660 chipset and m1 is 636?
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Yes but in real world condition it wouldn't matter there's not much difference in day to day tasks. Updating M2 would just be an excuse to give to people to buy the new model instead of the year old M1.
Detailed Comparo: https://www.guidingtech.com/snapdragon-636-vs-660-comparison/

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Yes but in real world condition it wouldn't matter there's not much difference in day to day tasks. Updating M2 would just be an excuse to give to people to buy the new model instead of the year old M1.
Detailed Comparo: https://www.guidingtech.com/snapdragon-636-vs-660-comparison/
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both 660 and 636 uses same motherboard what so ever so they both are just same cpus with just little different internals

Update for Zenfone 6 begins
https://www.xda-developers.com/asus-zenfone-6-android-10-update/
no official list released yet.

pankym24 said:
https://www.xda-developers.com/asus-zenfone-6-android-10-update/
no official list released yet.
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I'm counting on Asus to release a list soon. M2 Pro will get the first update in the series I assume. Rest will follow.

Sadly, I've never seen a phone improve with new versions of Android, and the same goes for M1: only problems and battery drain after Pie update.
Why don't vendors keep the native version of Android on every phone and just provide security fixes?
Is it not possible because of Android's development strategy?
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Lulodroid said:
Sadly, I've never seen a phone improve with new versions of Android, and the same goes for M1: only problems and battery drain after Pie update.
Why don't vendors keep the native version of Android on every phone and just provide security fixes?
Is it not possible because of Android's development strategy?
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well the answer is ofcourse money. so that they can churn new phones every year. contrast this with something like the Essential phone which released with Android 7 in August 2017 and still got Android 10 recently.
It's perfectly possible to have a phone that can last as long as computers. projects like librem from purism plan to do just that.

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well the answer is ofcourse money. so that they can churn new phones every year. contrast this with something like the Essential phone which released with Android 7 in August 2017 and still got Android 10 recently.
It's perfectly possible to have a phone that can last as long as computers. projects like librem from purism plan to do just that.
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That's not what other person said. He meant an android should keep its original android version (the android on which it is launched) and just receive security updates.

z1_nile said:
That's not what other person said. He meant an android should keep its original android version (the android on which it is launched) and just receive security updates.
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oh I misunderstood native to mean a pure Android experience.
Then yes the Android update system does have some technical challenges well documented on various websites.
To summarize I'd say the first blocker is that Google stops supporting older Android versions after some time. Iirc they support the latest two versions of Android. So maybe they will drop support for oreo this December?
The second is Android is not based off of the mainline Linux kernel so it's harder to backport kernel security changes. Google and others worked with the kernel developers to have a long term release branch to receive security updates for longer (at least 2 years).
A third would be if OEMs like Asus have a limited contact with chip vendors like Qualcomm to provide blob updates for x years. usually the support warranty of the device.

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That's not what other person said. He meant an android should keep its original android version (the android on which it is launched) and just receive security updates.
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What he wants should be fairly possible on all devices that have run Android 8 (native) ever since Project Treble has started.