Where do you guys usually install your apps to? Are there any benefits in installing to the Storage Card vs. installing in the internal memory of the phone?
Is the phone faster if all apps are installed on the storage card?
some apps definitely would not respond well if you install it in the storage card, especially if the app needs to 'wake up' from the power standby, due to the battery saving mode for external storage.
with X1, the phone storage is plenty that it doesn't make any difference for you to install in phone storage versus external. Upon fresh hardreset, my phone would have at least 204MB after deleting away the demo videos, etc. And this is standard ROM, not custom ROM.
Tri3Dent said:
Where do you guys usually install your apps to? Are there any benefits in installing to the Storage Card vs. installing in the internal memory of the phone?
Is the phone faster if all apps are installed on the storage card?
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The truth is that it is "horses for courses"
If you regard the device as a phone with a bit of residual computer capability, then 300Mb of Storage will last a lifetime
If you regard it as a computer with a phone segment attached, then use the SD card for everything you can. The tnyynt SD tweak for speeding card access is brilliant to the point where I am unable to tell the practical difference between Storage and card use.
I use mine as a work computer with a phone attached. My 16Gb card is already 55% full (ie. just under 9Gb of data and programs) - this cannot fit in Storage.
man what kind of programs and data that you have that takes over 8 gigs on your phone.
music and videos i can understand, programs and data???? i got a 4 gig card and the only program that i have that takes up 1 gig is the maps for tomtom 7.910
hopefully the 32 gig card will be compatable with the x1 in the near future.
c_legaspi said:
man what kind of programs and data that you have that takes over 8 gigs on your phone.
music and videos i can understand, programs and data???? i got a 4 gig card and the only program that i have that takes up 1 gig is the maps for tomtom 7.910
hopefully the 32 gig card will be compatable with the x1 in the near future.
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OK, well 1) as I said, my device is used as a computer with a phone segment attached, so having >8Gb "on my phone" is not really accurate. I have >8Gb on my card (ie. HDD) and growing
2) Music and video ?? None of them, I use hifi and TV for those when I'm home
3) I use the device for geological/geotechnical mapping on a world-wide basis, together with CAD/3D modeling of collected and supplied data. So high-level topo data, drillhole data, outcrop data, survey data, engineering constraints, zillions of reference reports etc etc + the slew of large programs needed to run these data collections
So for me, smaller, faster ROM = better and better
4) you bet I'm hanging out for the 32Gb cards
problem with having too little phone storage is some program use storage as temp
currently i have about 40gb storage free but still
the comic book reader crash often because the .net program in question
unzip the whole comic to some temp dir in phone storage
when it operates and apparently the comic use more then 40gb
would be easy for the programmer to fix so it didn't unzip all or did it to
the sd card but..
I put pretty much all programs that can be installed onto the card on the card... I also have shedloads of files on there mainly for language learning (I am learning Chinese and also have some Russian stuff)... from 16gb I am down to 7.7 and thats only cos I deleted a few tv shows from China...
PS I am reposting this due to the deletion bug thing... I did have a longer post but cant remeber all my witty reply...
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As an experiment I stuck a 16 Gbyte microSD in my new Fire HD 8 tablet (2018 version, now on 6.3.1.2), and said ok to format as internal storage expansion.
As far as I can tell, no pre-installed apps or their data files were automatically moved to the microSD storage, and I haven't specifically told Fire OS to move anything, except for one thing: I was experimenting with side-loading Netflix from apk just to verify that it still won't support Chromecast on Fire tablet (it doesn't), and I noted that the Netflix app was eligible to move to external memory, so I did that. When I look under Settings/Storage, I see a summary that there is one app on the microSD card. but Fire OS won't tell me which app that it is. There is also 52 Mbytes of data simply labeled "Other". No idea what that is.
I wanted to try upgrading this to a 64-Gbyte microSD card, but as far as I can find online, there is no upgrade procedure. In fact there isn't even a downgrade procedure to remove the microSD card once used as internal storage. If it ever fails and you need to replace it, or you want to use the card for something else, or you want to use the microSD slot for data transfer via card, or you want to upgrade the card, the advice seems to be "factory reset the tablet, because there's no other way"!
That leads me to wonder if I should be doing this at all, given that it's so fragile and limited.
Knowing that Netflix was the one app I transferred, I can individually more it back to internal storage, and after that Settings/Storage agrees that there are no apps on the microSD card. There is still the mysterious unidentified 52 Mbytes "Other". Is it safe to remove the old microSD card now? Should I do that and forget about the whole "format as internal" option?
Out of curiosity, how do you know anything was moved to the SD card?
When formatted as internal storage, you should only see the device internal + the SD card as one whole internal memory pool. That's the point of formatting it as internal memory. It shouldn't know where device memory ends and SD memory starts.
If you can, please post a screen shot of the "Storage" page from "Settings".
I've attached a screen shot at the end of this post of mine with my SD card formatted as "external". Just curious how it shows this page when the SD card is set as "internal"
One other thing, I think it's not a good idea to format an SD card as internal - ever.
Except if you have extremely low device memory to begin with - like 16GB or less. 32 is barely passable, but for now, that's the most that the HD8s get. I'm getting by with it for now, but I don't use my tablet for all that much.
Also, here was Amazon's Help site information on dealing with SD cards in the HD8 8th gen (2018). The 7th gens are different in that formatting external as exFAT is an option. Not on the 2018 models. Amazon apparently didn't want to pay Microsoft for the license anymore - so, no more 4GB or bigger files on the SD card.
Insert and Manage a MicroSD Card
You can install, download, or store certain content on an external microSD card to expand your 8th Generation Fire HD 8 tablet's storage space.
Note: The following are the directions for Fire HD 8 (8th Generation) devices. If you have a 4th - 7th Generation Fire tablet, go to Insert and Manage an SD Card. Not sure which Fire tablet you have? Go to Which Fire Tablet do I have?
When you insert a microSD card for the first time, you can designate the card as internal or portable storage. If you designate the card as internal storage, you don't need to manually move content to the card or manage your download preferences. However, microSD cards that are designated as internal storage are not intended for removal from the device. If you do remove an SD card that you've designated as internal storage, you see a persistent pop-up message. To dismiss this message, either reinsert the SD card, or select "Forget" to remove any content associated with the SD card. If you remove a microSD card that is designated as internal storage your downloaded content may not work correctly.
Before you start:
You need to decide if you want to format your microSD card as internal storage or portable storage. If you designate your microSD card as internal storage, do not remove it from the device. If you do remove the microSD card, you must either reinsert the card immediately or select "Forget SD Card" from the pop up message that appears. If you select "Forget SD Card" then you lose all the data on your microSD card.
Your tablet supports FAT32 formatted microSD cards for portable storage. If your microSD card uses a different format (such as exFAT), it is reformatted during the setup process, and any information stored on the card is lost.
You can use all classes of Ultra High Speed (UHS) microSD cards up to 400 GB in size. For non-UHS microSD cards, Amazon recommends Class 10 microSD cards for optimal performance. Class 2 microSD cards may not perform enough to support video playback or capturing burst mode photos.
If you're using a Fire Kid's Edition tablet, make sure that you are in the adult profile before inserting the microSD card. You cannot set up a microSD card from a child profile.
To insert a microSD card:
Hold your Fire tablet vertically, with the front-facing camera in the top center. The microSD card slot is on the upper right side of your device.
Open the microSD card cover and turn it slightly to show the microSD card slot.
Push gently until it locks into place.
To remove your microSD card:
Swipe down from the top of the screen and tap the Settings (gear) icon.
Tap Storage. Tap Safely Remove SD Card, and then tap OK.
Open the microSD card cover and gently press on the microSD card to remove it.
If you designate a microSD card as portable storage, you can manage what content is installed, downloaded, or stored on your microSD card. Not all content types can be saved to portable storage.
To manage your preferences (for microSD cards designated as portable storage):
Swipe down from the top of the screen, tap the Settings (gear) icon, and then tap Storage.
Under SD Card, tap a switch next to a content category to turn microSD card support on or off. By default, all supported content categories are downloaded to the microSD card.
Tap SD Card Storage and then tap a content category to manage content stored on the microSD card.
Note: If you have multiple profiles on your device, content downloaded to the microSD card is restricted to the profile that downloaded it.
To move content to the microSD card:
Music:
Tap Music from the Home screen.
Tap the Menu icon or swipe in from the left side of the screen, and then tap Settings.
Tap Transfer All Offline Music, then tap Transfer All to SD Card.
Prime Videos, books and periodicals, and photos and personal videos: Delete the content from your device, then re download it after you have inserted a microSD card, designated the card as removable storage, and selected the option to save these content types to the card.
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I say this was on Amazon's help site, because this is no longer there - not in any form that resembles the above at all. What I copied was the cached version from a couple months ago. Now, Amazon's help is overly simplified and totally useless.
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DJames1 said:
As an experiment I stuck a 16 Gbyte microSD in my new Fire HD 8 tablet (2018 version, now on 6.3.1.2), and said ok to format as internal storage expansion.
As far as I can tell, no pre-installed apps or their data files were automatically moved to the microSD storage, and I haven't specifically told Fire OS to move anything, except for one thing: I was experimenting with side-loading Netflix from apk just to verify that it still won't support Chromecast on Fire tablet (it doesn't), and I noted that the Netflix app was eligible to move to external memory, so I did that. When I look under Settings/Storage, I see a summary that there is one app on the microSD card. but Fire OS won't tell me which app that it is. There is also 52 Mbytes of data simply labeled "Other". No idea what that is.
I wanted to try upgrading this to a 64-Gbyte microSD card, but as far as I can find online, there is no upgrade procedure. In fact there isn't even a downgrade procedure to remove the microSD card once used as internal storage. If it ever fails and you need to replace it, or you want to use the card for something else, or you want to use the microSD slot for data transfer via card, or you want to upgrade the card, the advice seems to be "factory reset the tablet, because there's no other way"!
That leads me to wonder if I should be doing this at all, given that it's so fragile and limited.
Knowing that Netflix was the one app I transferred, I can individually more it back to internal storage, and after that Settings/Storage agrees that there are no apps on the microSD card. There is still the mysterious unidentified 52 Mbytes "Other". Is it safe to remove the old microSD card now? Should I do that and forget about the whole "format as internal" option?
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You can considered to backup your SD card contents to your PC or tablet's internal storage when you formatted as an internal storage.
You must be select Use as portable storage.
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Out of curiosity, how do you know anything was moved to the SD card?
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My Fired HD 8 tablet is the 16 Gbyte model, so it doesn't have much memory. After initial setup it reported 7.x Gbytes free, presumably after accounting for the OS and Amazon bloatware.
After inserting a 16 Gbyte microSD card and formatting it as Internal, the tablet still only shows 7.x Gbytes free, so I'm not sure what's going on there. I've installed a couple of apps, but no more than a few hundred Mbytes. Yes, it was definitely formatted as Internal.
Under Storage it still distinguishes between the internal memory and the microSD card in the details, and I can drill down to see contents of the microSD card. It says the card contains one app and 52 Mbytes labeled "Other". I know that the app is Netflix, because it was the only app that offered a Move to SD option - none of the Amazon apps do. And when I move Netflix back to internal memory, the "one app" disappears from the SD card.
Don't ask me to explain it - this is what it shows.
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My Fired HD 8 tablet is the 16 Gbyte model, so it doesn't have much memory. After initial setup it reported 7.x Gbytes free, presumably after accounting for the OS and Amazon bloatware.
After inserting a 16 Gbyte microSD card and formatting it as Internal, the tablet still only shows 7.x Gbytes free, so I'm not sure what's going on there. I've installed a couple of apps, but no more than a few hundred Mbytes. Yes, it was definitely formatted as Internal.
Under Storage it still distinguishes between the internal memory and the microSD card in the details, and I can drill down to see contents of the microSD card. It says the card contains one app and 52 Mbytes labeled "Other". I know that the app is Netflix, because it was the only app that offered a Move to SD option - none of the Amazon apps do. And when I move Netflix back to internal memory, the "one app" disappears from the SD card.
Don't ask me to explain it - this is what it shows.
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I don't really understand why you are doing all that.
7 GB is more than enough space to install plenty of apps. Use your SD card to save your music and movies on it. Netflix, YouTube, Deezer, Google Music and probably every other video/audio app let's you save files to your SD card
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My Fired HD 8 tablet is the 16 Gbyte model, so it doesn't have much memory. After initial setup it reported 7.x Gbytes free, presumably after accounting for the OS and Amazon bloatware.
After inserting a 16 Gbyte microSD card and formatting it as Internal, the tablet still only shows 7.x Gbytes free, so I'm not sure what's going on there. I've installed a couple of apps, but no more than a few hundred Mbytes. Yes, it was definitely formatted as Internal.
Under Storage it still distinguishes between the internal memory and the microSD card in the details, and I can drill down to see contents of the microSD card. It says the card contains one app and 52 Mbytes labeled "Other". I know that the app is Netflix, because it was the only app that offered a Move to SD option - none of the Amazon apps do. And when I move Netflix back to internal memory, the "one app" disappears from the SD card.
Don't ask me to explain it - this is what it shows.
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It sounds like it ended up formatting as external "portable" storage after all. That's certainly how it seems like it's reading it.
I'm stumped.
Noter2017 said:
I don't really understand why you are doing all that.
7 GB is more than enough space to install plenty of apps. Use your SD card to save your music and movies on it. Netflix, YouTube, Deezer, Google Music and probably every other video/audio app let's you save files to your SD card
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Not really. And I can understand the need for space if the tablet is the 16GB version. We have 3 HD8s in my house. My wife and son have the 2017 model and I have the 2018 model. All are the 32GB versions. My son is already getting close to his limit with about 2GB left after all the games and books he has on it using the Kids FreeTime side.
My tablet is already using just under 7GB of apps now. And I do have a 128GB SD card on it for music, and anything that can be offloaded from the main memory. If I had a 16GB model, I'd be in trouble.
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I don't really understand why you are doing all that.
7 GB is more than enough space to install plenty of apps. Use your SD card to save your music and movies on it. Netflix, YouTube, Deezer, Google Music and probably every other video/audio app let's you save files to your SD card
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It's really not enough space. I have two 16 Gbyte phones, and I'm constantly deleting and restoring apps to make space, or getting the "not enough space to update" message. My other tablet with 32 Gbytes is fine.
I'm just not sure I want to experiment with this given the warning that there is no way to "undo" once you start using an SD card for internal memory extension, other than a factory reset of the Fire tablet. Another half-baked Android feature from Google...
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It sounds like it ended up formatting as external "portable" storage after all. That's certainly how it seems like it's reading it.
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Nope, definitely formatted as internal storage. It seems that Amazon has been fiddling with the use of the SD card for storage in FireOS 6.3 compared to earlier versions.
When I look under Settings - Storage, I see the Internal Storage and the SD Card capacity and available memory listed separately.
There is an option for the SD card "Format as portable storage", which warns that I will lose access to any apps and data on the SD card if I proceed. There is no longer an option to format as internal storage as there was originally, which I selected when I installed the card.
I have option buttons to Move Apps and Move Data to the SD card. There is no automatic use of the SD card as an automatic extension to internal memory.
Only one app is eligible to Move to SD Card, and that app is not identified. But I know it is side-loaded Netfilx, which indeed can be moved to the SD card. None of the built-in Amazon apps are eligible. I have the option to move that app back to internal memory. I have not checked whether I can move data to the internal-storage-format SD card and then move it back because I don't want to bork the Fire tablet if it doesn't work.
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I don't really understand why you are doing all that.
7 GB is more than enough space to install plenty of apps.
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Ha! Obviously you don't play PAD, Hearthstone, etc. Or have database apps.
ldeveraux said:
Ha! Obviously you don't play PAD, Hearthstone, etc. Or have database apps.
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I don't play, sorry.
Isn't there a Magisk module to move .obb files to external SD? That would help with games at least
Noter2017 said:
I don't play, sorry.
Isn't there a Magisk module to move .obb files to external SD? That would help with games at least
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Or he could, you know, do exactly what he asked about.
FireOS lack the permission in etc/permissions/platform.xml to allow applications to write to external storage on most of not all versions of the OS. Without that permission, you have to add it and factory reset or use an app like apps2sd to format the external card as internal 'for real aka adoptable storage' to be honest, I don't know if FireOS actually does this or just tells you it does.
the problem with adoptable storage is the Micro SD will only work on that device and if the device ever stops working all that data is lost so I just use root options to move apps to the Micro SD. also you can change the card to a different card without a factory reset but it will unlink the old Micro SD permanently losing all of the data on it and will reformat the new one
I'm currently on a work placement and have this task to complete and am under pressure to have it done for Monday!
Would love to get some help with this query if possible. I am looking to automatically transfer files to multiple Micro SD cards across a range of Fire HD 8 tablets.
In the older generations of Fire HD 8 it seemed quite straightforward as there was this option:
/storage/sdcard1/
But in the newer generations, it seems the that a new 8 digit ID code corresponding to a specific SD card shows up, for example:
/storage/E31A-G9G5
I'm looking for a solution where the files will transfer, via Tasker, straight to whatever SD card is mounted without having to give permission individually each time.
My boss doesn't really want to give permissions to anything other than 'Storage' but I have just tried all permissions anyway, and it's still not working. I've added pictures to try and give more detail:
It seems as though once it works on one SD card, the next one doesn't work because it's always looking for the previous SD card (Yellow error messages).
I'm using a Fire HD 8 (8th generation) on Fire OS 6.3.1.2 if that's any help?
The 7th generations were fine as they recognised SD cards generically so we used foldersync.
Thanks in advance!
Colm G
Living Legend Colm G said:
I'm currently on a work placement and have this task to complete and am under pressure to have it done for Monday!
Would love to get some help with this query if possible. I am looking to automatically transfer files to multiple Micro SD cards across a range of Fire HD 8 tablets.
In the older generations of Fire HD 8 it seemed quite straightforward as there was this option:
/storage/sdcard1/
But in the newer generations, it seems the that a new 8 digit ID code corresponding to a specific SD card shows up, for example:
/storage/E31A-G9G5
I'm looking for a solution where the files will transfer, via Tasker, straight to whatever SD card is mounted without having to give permission individually each time.
My boss doesn't really want to give permissions to anything other than 'Storage' but I have just tried all permissions anyway, and it's still not working. I've added pictures to try and give more detail:
It seems as though once it works on one SD card, the next one doesn't work because it's always looking for the previous SD card (Yellow error messages).
I'm using a Fire HD 8 (8th generation) on Fire OS 6.3.1.2 if that's any help?
The 7th generations were fine as they recognised SD cards generically so we used foldersync.
Thanks in advance!
Colm G
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You don't need to transfer through multiple SD card.
Can you install Total Commander file manager from Google Play and download Total Commander plugins for Android, TotalCmd - Wifi Transfer to transfer all files through Wi-Fi