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Buy or not Meizu M5 PRO? Or rather a Nexus 6P?

Meizu 5 Pro has best processor of Android (Exynos 7420), sd card, nice AMOLED screen with 1080P, great battery (4th on battery life tests this year), and great price also (450 Euros).
But is Meizu....
¿Do you think is a good buy?
Or would be better a Huawei 6P with
Google support for two years and stereo speakers
Better camera and screen
but
Worse battery and processor
No sd
More expensive (200 euros more)
¿Does Meizu give software support with latest Android? ¿Which one you prefer? (you can put other smarthphones on the equation also)

I want to answer your question by comparing both phones in each category.
Design:
I started with design part because, for me it's very important part. I like meizu pro 5 design much more than 6p not saying 6p is not good but, 2.5D glass with looking similar to Iphone in front is not a bad thing in meizu and better than 6p here. I prefer Fingerprint as a home button on meizu at the front much more than in 6p at the back. ( Not to mention how innovative home button of meizu will change the way of using this phone when you getting used to it and you cannot compare it with any other android phone). Also design of meizu at the back is also more beautiful in my opinion as it's a little similar to htc one series. Also 10g less weight in meizu should be a little more suitable in hand.
Camera:
About camera in meizu it does pretty decent job in good light maybe even better than 6p specially better in detail comparison but, in low light you should either use manual mode or accept quality of auto mod which is not bad but, differently 6p is better but, not much better.
Selfie with front camera is definitely better (more detail) in 6p but, for internet both do good job here.
Processor:
The main problem in 6p is qualcomm 810 processor which is a big no for me specially compare to Exynos 7420 which is arguably the best in the market for now (even compare to karin 950) and you will never feel a hot phone in your hand or lag due to hot temperature of cpu and much more energy efficient than Q 810. (Not fan of Antutu benchmarks but, recently Meizu take the crown from Huawei karin 950 chipset in Huawei Mate 8!)
Softwere:
On the other hand meizu apparently is new to world market and cannot support their phone like google but, in future with custom roms it will be okay I think (do not expect near future!) Meizu does not come with unlock bootloader and apparently there is no way to unlock it and it may take so long to either someone manage to unlock it (very difficult + lack off good developers due to less popularity of meizu and the phone itself) or company give us a way to do it so, do not except support of developers or company like 6p. Meizu will definitely upgrade meizu pro 5 to marshmallow but, time is unknown.
Also if you really like pure android experience which I don't! heavily skin of Flyme OS on top of android in meizu may become a big problem for you. Lack of app drawer or design of home screen or even default apps are not a big deal as you can get a good launchers now a day specially with htc sense launcher and apps but, other part like setting menu and notification drawer and etc will be always the flyme one!
Screen
Comparing the screen, there should not be much differences as both phones using very similar amoled technology and panel. Yes 2k vs full hd but, 2k display of 6p is not as good as samsung new flagships like gs6 or note 5. Brightness of both phones are almost similar. I don't think you will notice the differences here in display part in daily usage because, differences of 2k displays are not very recognizable in human eyes in phones bellow 7" screens. But, if it does for you it's just a little more sharper but, not better in contrast, color and etc.
In 6p you will get gorilla glass 4 which is better when you drop the phone and can manage much more pressure here but, not as good as gorilla glass 3 (meizu pro 5) in scratch resistance part. If you use screen protector no problem here for both phones.
Audio:
Yes 6p has dual speaker in front which is more suitable when watching something or listening to musics with speakers but, meizu on the other hand support Hi-Fi audio so, provide much better quality sound specially when you plug a headphone which 6p was unfortunately poor here.
Hardware/Connectivity/Network/Battery:
Lack of memory support is again a big downside of 6p compare to meizu plus 2 sim in meizu vs 1 in 6p (in meizu 2 sim if you don't use sd card) .
For connectivity both doing great and not very different here. You have more 4g bands support in 6p but, if you don't live in USA you will not loose here. Meizu definitely is much better in battery part as you know so, no more words here. Also meizu charge the battery a little faster than 6p specially if you charge 6p with retail charger in it's package which the plug is weaker than meizu fast charger plug. (No need to buy faster plug in meizu).
Okay I don't know if I left anything else and hope it helps you to choose the best option but, personally I will choose meizu here as you mention the price of 6p I don't think it wrote 200 euro more just for a little better camera, speaker and screen VS it's downs. But, if you cannot live without latest version of android and faster support of google or with Flyme OS of meizu better to go for 6p. ( The only real downside of meizu compare to 6p currently before unlocking the bootloader of pro 5)

DanielGatti said:
Meizu 5 Pro has best processor of Android (Exynos 7420), sd card, nice AMOLED screen with 1080P, great battery (4th on battery life tests this year), and great price also (450 Euros).
But is Meizu....
¿Do you think is a good buy?
Or would be better a Huawei 6P with
Google support for two years and stereo speakers
Better camera and screen
but
Worse battery and processor
No sd
More expensive (200 euros more)
¿Does Meizu give software support with latest Android? ¿Which one you prefer? (you can put other smarthphones on the equation also)
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If you look at the prices, i will go for Letv Lemax, the most powerful android phone, that will be out soon and will cost about 530 USD with new snapdragon 820 and with antutu benchmark about 120 000. It have 64/128GB ROM, 4GB ram, QHD dipley, 21 MPX camera, USB 3.0 type C, atc.

Kubas_inko_CZ said:
If you look at the prices, i will go for Letv Lemax, the most powerful android phone, that will be out soon and will cost about 530 USD with new snapdragon 820 and with antutu benchmark about 120 000. It have 64/128GB ROM, 4GB ram, QHD dipley, 21 MPX camera, USB 3.0 type C, atc.
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6.33-inch display! wow huge for a phone!
Plus 2 MP front camera is not good for selfie + not amoled screen + 3400mAh battery definitely is not good in 2k IPS LCD display and you should wait at least 3 more months if not more for outside of china; And 530 usd price (price of 32gb with no expandable storage) is unconfirmed and if it cost 530$ it will be in china not outside so, definitely expect 600$+
The only upside is the cpu which we don't know how well it's until it comes out plus OIS in camera. Qualcome did awful job in 810

I've used both and the camera on the Meizu is far better than the 6P.

Mate 9 Pro vs S7 edge

Fellow XDA members check out my video comparison of the Huawei Mate 9 Pro and the Samsung galaxy s7 edge, you will be surprised, Mod Edit

Anyone else prefer the s7 edge over the Mate 9 Pro?

Since we're discussing the Mate 9 as well (vs Mate 9 Pro), i'll re-add the comments i previously deleted. Chose the Mate 9 over S7E due to (a) battery life, (b) preference for flat (or much less of a curved) screen and (c) big screen with good form factor. S7E served me well for 8 months. I'm not a fan of the S7E's curved screen, but the Note 7 curved screen was doable. With the Note 7 "evaporating" from the smartphone scene, (for me) there were no viable alternatives until i saw/fondled the Mate 9. i've made a few compromises to use the Mate 9 (vs the S7E) such as opting for the FHD vs QHD screen, better camera on S7E, etc. (for me) Mate 9 offers best form/function capabilities, camera will support my use/needs and the compromises i've accepted (in my opinion) are not show stoppers. did i mention that, with the addition of an active stylus, i can manage my Note 7 withdrawal symptoms until the international version of the Note 8 is available? finally, i cut the cord with my S7E when i gave it to my wife as her "yearly" upgrade until the S8 is available for her.

ramheer said:
Anyone else prefer the s7 edge over the Mate 9 Pro?
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I don't. I couldn't be more satisfied with my M9.

ramheer said:
Anyone else prefer the s7 edge over the Mate 9 Pro?
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Nope. Sold my S7E for Mate 9 and never looked back. Mate 9 is superior against S7 family in every way, except one. Waterproof.
Mate 9 camera is just awesome.

sobelixtus said:
Nope. Sold my S7E for Mate 9 and never looked back. Mate 9 is superior against S7 family in every way, except one. Waterproof.
Mate 9 camera is just awesome.
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No way the s7 edge camera is better, especially in low light and dark situations

albertobom said:
I don't. I couldn't be more satisfied with my M9.
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What do you think of the Mate 9 pro?

ramheer said:
What do you think of the Mate 9 pro?
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Well I own the Mate 9 normal because I like the design the best. But I think you wouldn't be missing nothing if you choose it instead of s7

ramheer said:
No way the s7 edge camera is better, especially in low light and dark situations
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In good and "normal" light Mate has much better dynamics and colors are more natural. I don't like how much S7 is sharpening the pictures and you can see it by zooming the picture.
In really dark situations S7 takes better pictures (f1.7 is able to gather more light than f2.2) but Mate's monochrome sensor gives additional boost to Mate. So in overall I would rate Mate and S7 pictures pretty close, but slight edge on S7 side in dark.
But Mate camera is more capable with all different modes (Leica colors, light trails, monochrome sensor etc.) so in overall Mate is better in camera area.
This is my personal opinion and I have used S7 Edge 6 months before buying Mate.

sobelixtus said:
In good and "normal" light Mate has much better dynamics and colors are more natural. I don't like how much S7 is sharpening the pictures and you can see it by zooming the picture.
In really dark situations S7 takes better pictures (f1.7 is able to gather more light than f2.2) but Mate's monochrome sensor gives additional boost to Mate. So in overall I would rate Mate and S7 pictures pretty close, but slight edge on S7 side in dark.
But Mate camera is more capable with all different modes (Leica colors, light trails, monochrome sensor etc.) so in overall Mate is better in camera area.
This is my personal opinion and I have used S7 Edge 6 months before buying Mate.
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See I would agree but then I did a side by side comparison and was surprised how poor the Mate 9 is in dark situations, I will have to look into further

ramheer said:
See I would agree but then I did a side by side comparison and was surprised how poor the Mate 9 is in dark situations, I will have to look into further
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I have noticed that it depends of the darkness. In really dark situations, without any light, S7 Edge is superior against Mate. But then again, I don't usually take that kind of shots with my phone.
Mate 9 starts to shine if there is some kind of a light source in picture

sobelixtus said:
I have noticed that it depends of the darkness. In really dark situations, without any light, S7 Edge is superior against Mate. But then again, I don't usually take that kind of shots with my phone.
Mate 9 starts to shine if there is some kind of a light source in picture
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I like the Mate 9 camera, it is very good, it just depends on how someone personally uses it and what situations

Beside low light, I think laser focus is still inconsistent & slow compare with S7 dual pixel focus.. It makes alot difference when capturing kids..

with root i can uc and uv? the mate 9?

firefox1991 said:
with root i can uc and uv? the mate 9?
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There are not custom kernels yet.

so what it the meaning to root XD, only to greenify? or tasker?

Both take sh**ty pictures in low light, even if one is slightly better than the other, its still sh**ty. But I digress, I switched from S7E to Mate 9 purely because apps launch quicker, longer battery life, Leica optics, flat screen, and that super charge tho!

Just bought mate 9 to replace s7e, gonna miss the awesome dac and ip68 rating as well as dual pixel focus but the m9 is much better in terms of speed, battery big beautiful IPS screen, slightly better camera in normal light, crazy fast and doesn't throttle on gaming due to no DVFS like in sammy phones....
Still evaluating the M9, but it seems a big keeper, now as for DAC it serves mine Sennihizer Momentum HP well.
Does anyone have a recommendation for a good usb DAC?

ramheer said:
No way the s7 edge camera is better, especially in low light and dark situations
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Agree but either way those good low light pictures are not that great

Got a burned pixel on my s7E after just 2 months, switched to Mate 9 pro. I was already impressed by the P9 but the LON exceeded my expectations, the Leica is sublime, the design is way more better than that of the S7E. Graphic performance are less impressive but there's a feeling of strength combined to the smooth and fluidity that makes the Huwaei machine better in my opinion. Sound output and battery life are also better on my LON.

Compared with G6, S7E, OP5, and came back to Le Pro 3.

Ok, I know it's gonna sound crazy but I think the Le Pro 3 is just slightly better than these phones right now and here's why.
I recently had the G6 and OP5 to play with for a few days. I'm disappointed in both of them. The OP5 was close to a keeper but a few issues, it was more expensive than all these phones amazing how cheap the G6 is right now.
The G6's main problem is the camera and battery life. I couldn't get a whole day of usage with one full charge. The camera is the most inconsistent of all LG phones I've had, some shots looked great but some were really noisy.
The OP5 was nearly the perfect phone until I started shooting videos and had some AF problems, about 3 out of 10 shots came out blurry. It terms of speed it was pretty darn fast.
I returned it because of the jello screen effect and I just don't think it's worth the money when the Le Pro 3 is so much cheaper and is about 80% of the OP5. Now don't get me wrong it's still a good phone but not worth $480 which is almost double what the Le Pro 3 costs me. And OP devices has always been buggy and needed subsequent patches and patches. OP has always released beta products.
Now the main problem I have with the Le Pro 3 is the screen just looked too washed out and the camera is mediocre but it's the only phone that gets me through 1.5 days on a full charge. It's close to the OP5 in terms of usage speed and it's almost 1/2 the price.
Ok, compare to the S7E it seems the S7E has everything covered, great camera the best in the business imo. It's got micro-SD and water resistance but the battery life is the worst and device is sluggish.
I'm thinking S8 could probably beat all of these phones but I really need good battery life and I don't think the S8 could hold a candle against the Le Pro 3 in this area.
That's where I honestly stand, I don't think any of these phones are perfect but for the price and value the Le Pro 3 is hard to beat.

In my opinion, Le Pro3 is just a monster! Disapointing only on camera and IPS, but after all, it's still one of the best in value phones.

Now only cost $265 for the 64Gb rom/4Gb ram variant, many roms to choose from and battery is one of the best, pretty compact size. Even new phones that coming out are not going to be better maybe 3-5% performance difference that's all. But people get exciting with new phones so they buy them, after few weeks it get old like other phones. Everyone use the phone differently I guess, some people might not even know LeEco after all.

I actually think the screen is pretty good. I mean of course it will look washed out against an amoled but it is great on its own. And so so so much better with the screen protector removed!

marik1 said:
In my opinion, Le Pro3 is just a monster! Disapointing only on camera and IPS, but after all, it's still one of the best in value phones.
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Nah... Camera? Just use Google Camera app to unleash Le Pro 3's potential. I compared mine with iPhone 7 and the latter look terrible in comparison LoL.
Screen is just as good if not better than iPhone 7 too which has terrible screen and resolution compared to the likes of Samsung and Pixel.

Oneplus 5 vs Huawei

Hi,
I am going to buy a new phone but I can't decide what to buy. I have 3 options. Oneplus 5, Huawei P10 or Huawei Mate 9. Since all of them really powerfull I focused on camera, design and battery. Which one should I buy?

Oneplus 5 has a great camera. The Huawei P10 is no slouch either.
I am not a fan of the Huawei Mate 9 design, I lean more towards the P10 and OnePlus 5.
The battery life on OnePlus 5 is excellent I'm getting about 7 to 8 hours of screen on time.
PS. I'm not a fan of the stock launcher on Huawei either. I would want to change it to Nova launcher really quickly.
I would get the OnePlus 5 but I am obviously a bias on the matter. All in all they are great options, and I don't think you would be disappointed in any of them.

You could try the honor 9. It sounds really good too. The camera seems to be focused on being high powered. I'd go for that one as opposed to the other Huawei phones you mentioned

It comes down to what you want. Do you want stock-ish android with tons of custom rom support? And the easiest bootloader unlock on android (Will grow even more in the future) or are you okay with the bloated emui with next to no ROM support?
I have a oneplus 5 and my mom a mate 9. Emui constantly nags her about shutting down nova launcher amongst other apps. It won't even allow her to open them at certain points. And it has very, VERY aggressive ram management.
Now they're both extremely fast phones with great cameras ..
The mate 9 is significantly better at battery life.. But my oneplus 5 will get me through the day for sure. The mate 9 would bee more like a day and a half.
It really comes down to what you want. You should give us some more information on your preferences.

MrWilsonxD said:
It comes down to what you want. Do you want stock-ish android with tons of custom rom support? And the easiest bootloader unlock on android (Will grow even more in the future) or are you okay with the bloated emui with next to no ROM support?
I have a oneplus 5 and my mom a mate 9. Emui constantly nags her about shutting down nova launcher amongst other apps. It won't even allow her to open them at certain points. And it has very, VERY aggressive ram management.
Now they're both extremely fast phones with great cameras ..
The mate 9 is significantly better at battery life.. But my oneplus 5 will get me through the day for sure. The mate 9 would bee more like a day and a half.
It really comes down to what you want. You should give us some more information on your preferences.
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How these phone cameras compare? I'm interested if the Oneplus 5 camera is a step-up in camera department from the Mate.

zackaryk said:
Oneplus 5 has a great camera. The Huawei P10 is no slouch either.
I am not a fan of the Huawei Mate 9 design, I lean more towards the P10 and OnePlus 5.
The battery life on OnePlus 5 is excellent I'm getting about 7 to 8 hours of screen on time.
PS. I'm not a fan of the stock launcher on Huawei either. I would want to change it to Nova launcher really quickly.
I would get the OnePlus 5 but I am obviously a bias on the matter. All in all they are great options, and I don't think you would be disappointed in any of them.
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Thank you very much. What about camera? Are you happy? Also Is outside brightness enough for you?
OcazPrime said:
You could try the honor 9. It sounds really good too. The camera seems to be focused on being high powered. I'd go for that one as opposed to the other Huawei phones you mentioned
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It's not avaible in my country.
MrWilsonxD said:
It comes down to what you want. Do you want stock-ish android with tons of custom rom support? And the easiest bootloader unlock on android (Will grow even more in the future) or are you okay with the bloated emui with next to no ROM support?
I have a oneplus 5 and my mom a mate 9. Emui constantly nags her about shutting down nova launcher amongst other apps. It won't even allow her to open them at certain points. And it has very, VERY aggressive ram management.
Now they're both extremely fast phones with great cameras ..
The mate 9 is significantly better at battery life.. But my oneplus 5 will get me through the day for sure. The mate 9 would bee more like a day and a half.
It really comes down to what you want. You should give us some more information on your preferences.
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Thank you very much! One day in long usage is fine. Mate 9 is really big and heavy. Also I have to change it's region after I buy it beacuse i can't buy it with official warrenty. Region change is hard because of bootloader and there aren't much developers.
What about P10? I can buy P10 with official warrenty. Price of P10 and Oneplus 5 are almost same here.

TheAreS said:
Thank you very much! One day in long usage is fine. Mate 9 is really big and heavy. Also I have to change it's region after I buy it beacuse i can't buy it with official warrenty. Region change is hard because of bootloader and there aren't much developers.
What about P10? I can buy P10 with official warrenty. Price of P10 and Oneplus 5 are almost same here.
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Honestly, there's no comparing the ease of using the oneplus 5 to any huawei device with region changes/ bootloader unlock/ dev community.. Personally I give the edge to the oneplus for simplicity. There's no hoops you have to jump through to operate your phone. The mate 9/p10 are all hoops.. My mom can't get updates on her mate 9 because she lives stateside..
Again, I think the battery size the mate 9 or p10 have over the oneplus 5.. But if you're charging every night, it won't make a difference. Furthermore, the availability of dash charge accessories is more widely available than the mate 9 super or turbo charge accessories.
Don't get me wrong, both are great phones, but really, the oneplus offers a better software experience I think, which is the most important part I think..with So many other aspects being so close.
4k eis on oneplus 5 is incredible btw..

MrWilsonxD said:
Honestly, there's no comparing the ease of using the oneplus 5 to any huawei device with region changes/ bootloader unlock/ dev community.. Personally I give the edge to the oneplus for simplicity. There's no hoops you have to jump through to operate your phone. The mate 9/p10 are all hoops.. My mom can't get updates on her mate 9 because she lives stateside..
Again, I think the battery size the mate 9 or p10 have over the oneplus 5.. But if you're charging every night, it won't make a difference. Furthermore, the availability of dash charge accessories is more widely available than the mate 9 super or turbo charge accessories.
Don't get me wrong, both are great phones, but really, the oneplus offers a better software experience I think, which is the most important part I think..with So many other aspects being so close.
4k eis on oneplus 5 is incredible btw..
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Huawei P10 has 3200Mah battery. I think OnePlus 5's battery goes more than P10's. Am I correct?
The camera of p10 is better imo, it can take black and white shots etc. Also it has official Huawei warrenty.
Battery is more important for me so I think I will go for OnePlus 5. Thank you very much for that great informations.
Lastly I heard OnePlus5 outdoor brightness is not enough, what do you think about it?

TheAreS said:
Huawei P10 has 3200Mah battery. I think OnePlus 5's battery goes more than P10's. Am I correct?
The camera of p10 is better imo, it can take black and white shots etc. Also it has official Huawei warrenty.
Battery is more important for me so I think I will go for OnePlus 5. Thank you very much for that great informations.
Lastly I heard OnePlus5 outdoor brightness is not enough, what do you think about it?
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Actually, the outdoor brightness is surprisingly good! The OP5 has a screen that seems very similar to the S8, in terms of brightness and colors (my opinion). It's a really good Super Amoled screen compared to the rest of the Flagships aside from Samsung.

Maybe you get biased thoughts, since you are on a 1+5 forum.
I was in the same doubt as you, between 1+5 and Mate 9.
What I discovered reading many threads and watching many videos is:
- Mate 9 takes better photos, has better sunlight legibility (besides being amoled, 1+5s screen under sunlight sucks), have better battery life (slightly, because SD835 is very power efficient), have better audio recording and video recording, have better loudspeakers and better cell signal reception.
- 1+5 is faster (not by a big margin), is lighter and not bulky (Mate 9 is very big), have better WiFi performance and much better community development.
Android O is on schedule to Huawei phones, but certainly will come much faster to 1+5.
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Csetoue said:
Maybe you get biased thoughts, since you are on a 1+5 forum.
I was in the same doubt as you, between 1+5 and Mate 9.
What I discovered reading many threads and watching many videos is:
- Mate 9 takes better photos, has better sunlight legibility (besides being amoled, 1+5s screen under sunlight sucks), have better battery life (slightly, because SD835 is very power efficient), have better audio recording and video recording, have better loudspeakers and better cell signal reception.
- 1+5 is faster (not by a big margin), is lighter and not bulky (Mate 9 is very big), have better WiFi performance and much better community development.
Android O is on schedule to Huawei phones, but certainly will come much faster to 1+5.
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I have both - WiFi is better on the Mate 9.

shadymouse said:
Actually, the outdoor brightness is surprisingly good! The OP5 has a screen that seems very similar to the S8, in terms of brightness and colors (my opinion). It's a really good Super Amoled screen compared to the rest of the Flagships aside from Samsung.
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Csetoue said:
Maybe you get biased thoughts, since you are on a 1+5 forum.
I was in the same doubt as you, between 1+5 and Mate 9.
What I discovered reading many threads and watching many videos is:
- Mate 9 takes better photos, has better sunlight legibility (besides being amoled, 1+5s screen under sunlight sucks), have better battery life (slightly, because SD835 is very power efficient), have better audio recording and video recording, have better loudspeakers and better cell signal reception.
- 1+5 is faster (not by a big margin), is lighter and not bulky (Mate 9 is very big), have better WiFi performance and much better community development.
Android O is on schedule to Huawei phones, but certainly will come much faster to 1+5.
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Thank you very much you all! I ordered 1+5 and it will arrive today. I think it's the best option for me.

Help me which smartphone to buy between this 3 models

Hi , I would like to buy a smartphone I had recently huawei mate 20 simple not the pro I hesitate between huawei p30 pro samsung galaxy s10 + and note 9 version snapdragon what you advised for me what interests me a lot is the camera and the life of the battery,sorry for my english thank you:good:

samlis said:
Hi , I would like to buy a smartphone I had recently huawei mate 20 simple not the pro I hesitate between huawei p30 pro samsung galaxy s10 + and note 9 version snapdragon what you advised for me what interests me a lot is the camera and the life of the battery,sorry for my english thank you:good:
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The Huawei P30 pro has a great camera and a solid battery but a 1080p display and the software experience isn't that great imo.
The Note 9 is an amazing all around phone that I would consider if you're looking for a bargain but the Note 10 will be available in less than a month.
The S10 plus has everything, the camera, the display the software experience the battery. You just can't go wrong with this phone.
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Samsung has been using the same camera sensor since the Galaxy 7 which is 4 generations of Galaxy phones with no upgrade. Currently Huawei and Xiaomi phones both take much better pics than Samsung. If camera is your top concern Samsung should not be anywhere near the top of your list. The camera on my Xiaomi MI 9 which costs all of $350 on sale smokes the S10+ camera.

jhs39 said:
Samsung has been using the same camera sensor since the Galaxy 7 which is 4 generations of Galaxy phones with no upgrade. Currently Huawei and Xiaomi phones both take much better pics than Samsung. If camera is your top concern Samsung should not be anywhere near the top of your list. The camera on my Xiaomi MI 9 which costs all of $350 on sale smokes the S10+ camera.
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I dont see the big deal that involves the camera sooo much yanno theres a millions things on a phone other than the camera if you wanna good camera buy a camera

If I were you , I'll just see and wait for the note 10 to see what it offers better

kevinireland11 said:
I dont see the big deal that involves the camera sooo much yanno theres a millions things on a phone other than the camera if you wanna good camera buy a camera
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I agree. The S10+ has a lot of great things about it but the OP specifically listed the camera as being one of his top priorities. Samsung has fallen behind its competitors in that area. If the OP had a Mate 20 he might be disappointed with the Galaxy camera.
The Galaxy S10+ also charges much less quickly than Huawei and Xiaomi phones (the speed difference is huge with wireless charging) which is the other obvious area where Samsung has fallen behind their competitors.
I think Samsung's huge market share made them complacent which is why they haven't kept pace with innovation--the Galaxy phones have only been offering incremental upgrades from year to year for a while now.
Supposedly the S11 Galaxy line is finally going to change that but we have a while to wait on those.

S10+ exynos for the win

jhs39 said:
Samsung has been using the same camera sensor since the Galaxy 7 which is 4 generations of Galaxy phones with no upgrade. Currently Huawei and Xiaomi phones both take much better pics than Samsung. If camera is your top concern Samsung should not be anywhere near the top of your list. The camera on my Xiaomi MI 9 which costs all of $350 on sale smokes the S10+ camera.
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I had Mi9 right before S10 (now S10+). Mi9 low light and indoor light photos are soo bad, even sometimes unusable, no matter with or without tripod. No OIS... Day photos are very good, same like S10+
...from phones mentioned in OP I would go for S10+.
edit: @ jhs38 like usual, stock camera doesn't have any options for improving picture quality in Auto mode. Just picture format, light conditions and HDR on/off
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rmn.br said:
I had Mi9 right before S10 (now S10+). Mi9 low light and indoor light photos are soo bad, even sometimes unusable, no matter with or without tripod. No OIS... Day photos are very good, same like S10+
...from phones mentioned in OP I would go for S10+.
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I can't agree at all. People who say that usually have the camera app set up wrong. For me both the MI 9 and Mix 2S took excellent low light pictures. I also owned the Huawei Mate 20P and Pixel XL, which are both considered excellent camera phones. All 4 of those phones took better pictures than my Galaxy S10+ regardless of light or any other conditions.

jhs39 said:
I can't agree at all. People who say that usually have the camera app set up wrong. For me both the MI 9 and Mix 2S took excellent low light pictures. I also owned the Huawei Mate 20P and Pixel XL, which are both considered excellent camera phones. All 4 of those phones took better pictures than my Galaxy S10+ regardless of light or any other conditions.
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Wow man, I don't know what did you smoke because there's no way the mate20pro has better camera than the s10+ (I ditched my mate 20 pro)
The wide lens is wider on the s10, the selfies are MILES better, because of the autofocus (only Samsung phones have it)
The video on ANY Huawei (or Chinese phone for that matter) phone is horrible.
And yes the STOCK camera has better night mode on Huawei/Xiaomi but you just install the gcam and boom, problem solved (oh did I forgot to mention that you can't install **** on Kirin processors?)
And that's just on the camera department.
The screen is just hideous on any phone that isn't a galaxy or an iPhone(no I don't have an iPhone but I've seen them and they're good)
The dual speaker is waaay better also on galaxy, specially s10
The software on Chinese phones is horrible.
And the list could go on and on...

TonyGzl92 said:
Wow man, I don't know what did you smoke because there's no way the mate20pro has better camera than the s10+ (I ditched my mate 20 pro)
The wide lens is wider on the s10, the selfies are MILES better, because of the autofocus (only Samsung phones have it)
The video on ANY Huawei (or Chinese phone for that matter) phone is horrible.
And yes the STOCK camera has better night mode on Huawei/Xiaomi but you just install the gcam and boom, problem solved (oh did I forgot to mention that you can't install **** on Kirin processors?)
And that's just on the camera department.
The screen is just hideous on any phone that isn't a galaxy or an iPhone(no I don't have an iPhone but I've seen them and they're good)
The dual speaker is waaay better also on galaxy, specially s10
The software on Chinese phones is horrible.
And the list could go on and on...
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I don't think it's even possible to find a professional tech review that claims the S10+ camera is better than the Mate 20 Pro camera--although I never use smartphone cameras to record video so I can't comment on that.
Most people use their smartphone cameras for point and shoot pictures and for low light or bright light pics, detail and color the M20P camera is far superior to the S10+ camera.
When you are talking about specific photographic effects that's a different area because a lot of that is achieved through the coding of the camera app and some phone brands choose to focus on different options than other brands.
I'm not serious enough about smartphone photography to play with all of the various effects and options available in the cameras on any smartphone. If you are you certainly might find things you prefer in the Samsung camera app which was considered one of the best in the business until a couple years ago.
As far as I know everybody who does professional tests and reviews gives the cameras in the recent Huawei flagships much higher marks than the S10+ camera.
From personal experience when I was in a car wreck in April I took lots of pics with my M20P (before going to the hospital emergency room for 9 hours because of a serious concussion).
When I later printed out individual pics of the accident damage at enlarged 8.5"x11" size the level of detail in the enlargements was astounding--in pics taken from 6 feet away something as small as the head of a screw was razor sharp.
In my own tests with the S10+ camera enlarged pictures don't have anything close to comparable clarity and detail.
The only reason I eventually opted to get rid of my M20P after about 6 months was that it didn't support Volte on T-Mobile in the United States (unlike the P20 Pro, Mate 10 Pro, Mix 2S & MI 9). It turns out that on T-Mobile if a phone supports band 12 without also supporting Volte calls frequently go straight to voicemail without the phone ringing first.
I got a MI 9 which I like but the battery in that phone is too small for the hardware plus MIUI is a lot more buggy than it was on the Mix 2S.
When I found a good deal on an unlocked S10+ I decided to try Samsung again for the first time since the Galaxy 3.
The S10+ is definitely very good in many ways but if Samsung were forced to compete head to head with Huawei and Xiaomi in the United States it would be impossible to justify the $1000 list price it cost at launch.
When compared with Huawei, Honor and Xiaomi devices the S10+ should be a $600 phone--possibly $700 at launch.
But since Samsung has nobody to compete against in the United States other than One Plus and Google Pixel $1000 doesn't seem nearly as inflated as it should.

jhs39 said:
I don't think it's even possible to find a professional tech review that claims the S10+ camera is better than the Mate 20 Pro camera--although I never use smartphone cameras to record video so I can't comment on that.
Most people use their smartphone cameras for point and shoot pictures and for low light or bright light pics, detail and color the M20P camera is far superior to the S10+ camera.
When you are talking about specific photographic effects that's a different area because a lot of that is achieved through the coding of the camera app and some phone brands choose to focus on different options than other brands.
I'm not serious enough about smartphone photography to play with all of the various effects and options available in the cameras on any smartphone. If you are you certainly might find things you prefer in the Samsung camera app which was considered one of the best in the business until a couple years ago.
As far as I know everybody who does professional tests and reviews gives the cameras in the recent Huawei flagships much higher marks than the S10+ camera.
From personal experience when I was in a car wreck in April I took lots of pics with my M20P (before going to the hospital emergency room for 9 hours because of a serious concussion).
When I later printed out individual pics of the accident damage at enlarged 8.5"x11" size the level of detail in the enlargements was astounding--in pics taken from 6 feet away something as small as the head of a screw was razor sharp.
In my own tests with the S10+ camera enlarged pictures don't have anything close to comparable clarity and detail.
The only reason I eventually opted to get rid of my M20P after about 6 months was that it didn't support Volte on T-Mobile in the United States (unlike the P20 Pro, Mate 10 Pro, Mix 2S & MI 9). It turns out that on T-Mobile if a phone supports band 12 without also supporting Volte calls frequently go straight to voicemail without the phone ringing first.
I got a MI 9 which I like but the battery in that phone is too small for the hardware plus MIUI is a lot more buggy than it was on the Mix 2S.
When I found a good deal on an unlocked S10+ I decided to try Samsung again for the first time since the Galaxy 3.
The S10+ is definitely very good in many ways but if Samsung were forced to compete head to head with Huawei and Xiaomi in the United States it would be impossible to justify the $1000 list price it cost at launch.
When compared with Huawei, Honor and Xiaomi devices the S10+ should be a $600 phone--possibly $700 at launch.
But since Samsung has nobody to compete against in the United States other than One Plus and Google Pixel $1000 doesn't seem nearly as inflated as it should.
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Last paragraph spot on.
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It was announced today that the Note 10 might feature an AI assisted camera which supports what I was saying earlier about the Samsung camera lagging behind its competitors--both Huawei and Xiaomi added that functionality to the cameras in their flagship phones 2 years ago.
But since Samsung doesn't have to compete against Huawei or Xiaomi in the United States a lot of people here will think Samsung is being innovative.