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So, for my sake, and others considering to take the plunge, what are some real benefits of rooting? I have had my nexi for 6 days now and I need a real good reason to root, because as we all know, it voids the warranty. Agree?
zachthemaster said:
So, for my sake, and others considering to take the plunge, what are some real benefits of rooting? I have had my nexi for 6 days now and I need a real good reason to root, because as we all know, it voids the warranty. Agree?
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Custom ROMs, certain apps that require root/su access, and custom themes. Whether those are real good reasons or not is up to you.
just a quick question, ive read the tut on rooting the nexus, what i do not understand is can u only do the root and not the rest of it, as it says to install this image then recovery, as i do not want to put custom roms on, is this possible,
sorry new to android, been windows mobile for so long,
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Custom ROMs, certain apps that require root/su access, and custom themes. Whether those are real good reasons or not is up to you.
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Alright so another question for you my good man, how easy is it to achieve root? Because I literally had the hardest time on my magic. It got me so heated that I never tried again. And now in the tutorial for rooting it makes it sound amazingly easy.
takes minutes to do I did it in less than 5
r8zer said:
just a quick question, ive read the tut on rooting the nexus, what i do not understand is can u only do the root and not the rest of it, as it says to install this image then recovery, as i do not want to put custom roms on, is this possible,
sorry new to android, been windows mobile for so long,
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unlocking the bootloader does NOT give you root, it simply ALLOWS you to root. Root access is part of a custom ROM (a modified kernel I beleive). You can leave the stock ROM on and just install the superboot image on top of it to get root access (see modaco's thread in development section).
gtrplr71 said:
takes minutes to do I did it in less than 5
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so you also had to flash a new rom to the device, correct? do you think you could PM me a super simple way to do it... just the exact way you did it? i would greatly appreciate it bro
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so you also had to flash a new rom to the device, correct? do you think you could PM me a super simple way to do it... just the exact way you did it? i would greatly appreciate it bro
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The easiest way would be to unlock the boot loader, then flash Armon's recovery, then flash Modaco's rooted stock ROM(he made a rooted version of the stock updated ROM, no changes other than the root).
It should take about 10 minutes total if you are experienced and bang it out... being new, probably take about 20-30 minutes since I am sure you will be double checking along the way.
There are some great guides in the Nexus One Dev section, the best IMO is this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=612858
If you already have the full update flashed, you don't need to do the radio again.
pjcforpres said:
The easiest way would be to unlock the boot loader, then flash Armon's recovery, then flash Modaco's rooted stock ROM(he made a rooted version of the stock updated ROM, no changes other than the root).
It should take about 10 minutes total if you are experienced and bang it out... being new, probably take about 20-30 minutes since I am sure you will be double checking along the way.
There are some great guides in the Nexus One Dev section, the best IMO is this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=612858
If you already have the full update flashed, you don't need to do the radio again.
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wow. thak you. i'll have to dive into this a little bit later. hopefully it'll be easy.
by the way... do you have to have the Android SDK installed for this to work? because it says to type different commands in, but into what terminal..?
windows XP MCE
zach, I was in the same boat as you, and I was looking for an ultra-noob friendly walkthru for rooting. I found youtube to be the best source, as you can see the process on someone else's phone first. I was shaky reading even the walkthru on xda forums, but youtube cleared it up. Just google "nexus one root" and you'll get a boat-load of videos.
Hope that helps....
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zach, I was in the same boat as you, and I was looking for an ultra-noob friendly walkthru for rooting. I found youtube to be the best source, as you can see the process on someone else's phone first. I was shaky reading even the walkthru on xda forums, but youtube cleared it up. Just google "nexus one root" and you'll get a boat-load of videos.
Hope that helps....
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Oh man I didn't even think of that. Thank you so much for the idea.
The big reason I needed to root the phone was TETHERED access! Both wired and wireless.
I travel a bit, and more often than not I cannot get a decent WIFI signal, or I am in someplace that requires me to pay for access (like a hotel). Almost EVERY hotel in Las Vegas for instance requires you to pay for internet access.... but with tethering... I am golden and surfing the web for free.
I also use SetCPU for profiles for when my phone is sleeping, charging, etc. I can usually squeeze out a little more life in the battery this way. Also... CacheMate is a great tool (especially if you are not using Apps2SD) for recovering extra space.... it's a "root" required app.
If you are a App-o-holic.... and NEED the extra room on your phone... you will want or need Apps 2 SD... .. and will need to have root access to do this.
Hope these suggestions help.
Some of my favorite things about rooting are Cyan's High-Mem Kernel, doubling the memory available, Tethering, Themeing(I can't stand the standard notification bar), and setting my clock speed to stay between 998 and 768. If you think the Nexus is fast now wait till you get High-Mem and change your CPU Clock settings.
webgrafix said:
The big reason I needed to root the phone was TETHERED access! Both wired and wireless.
I travel a bit, and more often than not I cannot get a decent WIFI signal, or I am in someplace that requires me to pay for access (like a hotel). Almost EVERY hotel in Las Vegas for instance requires you to pay for internet access.... but with tethering... I am golden and surfing the web for free.
I also use SetCPU for profiles for when my phone is sleeping, charging, etc. I can usually squeeze out a little more life in the battery this way. Also... CacheMate is a great tool (especially if you are not using Apps2SD) for recovering extra space.... it's a "root" required app.
If you are a App-o-holic.... and NEED the extra room on your phone... you will want or need Apps 2 SD... .. and will need to have root access to do this.
Hope these suggestions help.
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so i rooted havent been able to take advantage yet.
where could i get apps 2 sd?
JoshHart said:
Some of my favorite things about rooting are Cyan's High-Mem Kernel, doubling the memory available, Tethering, Themeing(I can't stand the standard notification bar), and setting my clock speed to stay between 998 and 768. If you think the Nexus is fast now wait till you get High-Mem and change your CPU Clock settings.
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i'm also interested in this... A LOT! how would i go about getting all of the aforementioned items (kernel, x2 memory, etc) on my nexi?
thank you all guys
Well, I don't have it yet bought it off Tmo online because I was offered the $165 deal. I am new to the whole android thing and never owned an android phone before. Been browsing this site for over an hour and had to make an account there is so much to learn.
I learned a lot and the tips and tricks told me a lot.
Though I would like to hear from you guys.
I don't plan on rooting it just yet but I don't like touchwiz so I will be using Launcher Pro.
What apps and tips do you recommend for me? I am very excited and cannot wait for my new phone. Will be hanging out here a lot!
So thanks in advance and awesome forum you guys have here.
~George
Congratulations, you will love it.
As soon as you get it, I'd recommend going to the market and browsing through all of the most popular applications. Remember that you can always uninstall apps you don't like. Even if you buy one, you have a significant window of time to uninstall it for a refund.
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Congratulations, you will love it.
As soon as you get it, I'd recommend going to the market and browsing through all of the most popular applications. Remember that you can always uninstall apps you don't like. Even if you buy one, you have a significant window of time to uninstall it for a refund.
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In addition to what I bolded above. The phone comes pre-installed with a lot of "bloatware" applications such as Kindle, MobiTV and all these other things. They cannot be uninstalled so technically you can't "uninstall apps that you don't like." The workaround is to root the phone and search the forum for removing stock apps and it'll be in there.
I would suggest trying out ADW Launcher rather than already deciding with Launcher Pro. Both has its advantages and its a matter of preference, both are great. I prefer ADW Launcher for more customization but it really depends on the user.
I would also lower the brightness all the way to the left simply because the phone is bright enough and it isn't necessary. This is a good way to have more hours on your battery. It might also be a good idea for when you get the phone, don't start off charging it right away. Let the battery drain to 0%.. keep turning the phone on until its unable to turn on, THEN start charging.. this way it will maximize the amount of hours on your battery. You might have to do this a couple of times to get the hand of it. The battery isn't a problem though, its pretty good compared to my previous phone, G1.
Chalup said:
Congratulations, you will love it.
As soon as you get it, I'd recommend going to the market and browsing through all of the most popular applications. Remember that you can always uninstall apps you don't like. Even if you buy one, you have a significant window of time to uninstall it for a refund.
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Awesome I am planning on using the GPS but all the GPS problems I am seeing is making me reluctant a bit. Let's hope I do not regret it.
Secondly refunds and apps sounds awesome *curses*Apple app store*curses*
Also when you buy an app does it charge your bill or a credit card?
I am a bit of a music freak and love having my music organized and I was told a program called "doubletwist" works great for android devices. I am looking for an alternative to itunes and zune software which have been great to me in organizing my music on my device.
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In addition to what I bolded above. The phone comes pre-installed with a lot of "bloatware" applications such as Kindle, MobiTV and all these other things. They cannot be uninstalled so technically you can't "uninstall apps that you don't like." The workaround is to root the phone and search the forum for removing stock apps and it'll be in there.
I would suggest trying out ADW Launcher rather than already deciding with Launcher Pro. Both has its advantages and its a matter of preference, both are great. I prefer ADW Launcher for more customization but it really depends on the user.
I would also lower the brightness all the way to the left simply because the phone is bright enough and it isn't necessary. This is a good way to have more hours on your battery. It might also be a good idea for when you get the phone, don't start off charging it right away. Let the battery drain to 0%.. keep turning the phone on until its unable to turn on, THEN start charging.. this way it will maximize the amount of hours on your battery. You might have to do this a couple of times to get the hand of it. The battery isn't a problem though, its pretty good compared to my previous phone, G1.
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Yah, I forgot to ask about that. I was wondering if I could remove the mobi tv app I will never use it. (avatar I want to see, I will definitely be using kindle and sims 3 is pretty cool I don't mind it at all)
Thanks for the suggestion about ADW Launcher I did already check it out and it's pretty awesome but I like the look of LP a bit more. I will certainly try both out though.
I will eventually root the phone however if samsung does not continue giving us support.
I did play with the phone for some time at the Tmobile store and I have to say I am super impressed with it. Hopefully it all works out for me.
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Yah, I forgot to ask about that. I was wondering if I could remove the mobi tv app I will never use it. (avatar I want to see, I will definitely be using kindle and sims 3 is pretty cool I don't mind it at all)
Thanks for the suggestion about ADW Launcher I did already check it out and it's pretty awesome but I like the look of LP a bit more. I will certainly try both out though.
I will eventually root the phone however if samsung does not continue giving us support.
I did play with the phone for some time at the Tmobile store and I have to say I am super impressed with it. Hopefully it all works out for me.
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You can ONLY remove it when you root your phone, basically the stock apps cannot be removed because they're located in /system/apps/ and you'll get Permission Denied. The root process takes less than a minute and theres a "One click" root floating around the dev forum. On the stickied thread theres instructions on how to un-root, which is fairly simple as well.
I'm pretty sure Samsung will continue supporting the phone, its one of their significant releases. I prefer having custom ROMs since they add more features to the phone that wouldn't normally come along with the stock ROM.
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You can ONLY remove it when you root your phone, basically the stock apps cannot be removed because they're located in /system/apps/ and you'll get Permission Denied. The root process takes less than a minute and theres a "One click" root floating around the dev forum. On the stickied thread theres instructions on how to un-root, which is fairly simple as well.
I'm pretty sure Samsung will continue supporting the phone, its one of their significant releases. I prefer having custom ROMs since they add more features to the phone that wouldn't normally come along with the stock ROM.
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I am not going to bull**** anyone but I have no knowledge of rooting and have only been browsing this site for a 2 hours and I am kinda weary about it. But that one click makes it sound easy and harmless. Maybe you can guide me.
Also I went ahead and downloaded Double twist and fell in love with it. It uses AmazonMP3 which is something I have invested some money into and it has the appstore right there. I know for a fact that I will DEFINITELY enjoy my time with android now.
I am liking this more and more.Also thanks for the help I appreciate it! ^_^
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I am not going to bull**** anyone but I have no knowledge of rooting and have only been browsing this site for a 2 hours and I am kinda weary about it. But that one click makes it sound easy and harmless. Maybe you can guide me.
Also I went ahead and downloaded Double twist and fell in love with it. It uses AmazonMP3 which is something I have invested some money into and it has the appstore right there. I know for a fact that I will DEFINITELY enjoy my time with android now.
I am liking this more and more.Also thanks for the help I appreciate it! ^_^
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I thought you read the stickied post? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732458 its all there rooting is like one of the first things discussed in that thread.
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I thought you read the stickied post? its all there rooting is like one of the first things discussed in that thread.
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I didn't read it in detail I just browsed through it but now I am
I will certainly post once I get the phone in and express my first impressions.
Is this needed? I do have 3rd party installs enabled.
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Waste of battery at this time.
May be useful in the future when android gets huge
Right now low risk but as time goes on it will necessary. For now unless you use the phone like a computer not necessary, I have been trying out "Lookout" and found it has not had any real effect on battery that i can tell (still get 20 hours +) so I wouldn't worry so much about battery drain. I think the real risk is when you download apps and they want unfettered access to your phone, not sure why that is necessary............it isn't. So, to me it is all these app companies that data mine that is the real concern. I am going to test this app for another 2 weeks and see what I find. I'll post when I am done testing.
Will install if risk increase in the future but right now nonsense to use it
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Is this needed? I do have 3rd party installs enabled.
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exactly.
Android sandboxes process. As long as you watch the permissions for apps you install, you'll be good.
I browse the web constantly and had the antivirus running..it never caught anything so I deducted that it was a waste to have
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Right now low risk but as time goes on it will necessary. For now unless you use the phone like a computer not necessary, I have been trying out "Lookout" and found it has not had any real effect on battery that i can tell (still get 20 hours +) so I wouldn't worry so much about battery drain. I think the real risk is when you download apps and they want unfettered access to your phone, not sure why that is necessary............it isn't. So, to me it is all these app companies that data mine that is the real concern. I am going to test this app for another 2 weeks and see what I find. I'll post when I am done testing.
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what kind of permissions should i be on the lookout for? i never even looked when i installed because of ignorance
All apps ask for permission, some will take all the information on the phone when they ask, there is a routine that someone posted (it was also on Youtube) that shows what they are taking/looking at etc. i do not remember who did it. Look in the bible or do a search (probably in google be better) might be able to get more there.
I was hanging on to Stock because I thought the amazon prime membership might be worthwhile, but after two painful OTA updates, I'm out.
I had even frozen OTASilentInstall after 6.2.1, but the damn thing updated anyway! I can't account for this, but it did happen.
I'm backing up my stuff now and will try CM7.
For the record, 6.2.2 breaks root and you need BurritoRoot2.bin to get it back. It's a pain and doesn't yet work like the original. (As far as I can tell, you have to reset it at each reboot. Probably OTA rootkeeper will work, but still a pain.)
What was painful about 6.2.2? You can easily root it again.
I gave up on stock a long time ago lol. Running ics now.
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What was painful about 6.2.2? You can easily root it again.
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yes, you're right. I rootEd again long enough to install CM7.
I'd just had enough jumping through hoops getting my hardware to do what I wanted it to do.
I wish companies like Amazon would understand they would do better to cooperate with users than to fight against them or treat them like fools.
Agreed, I stayed with stock after the last update and root, but not again. I guess I didn't think it would happen again so fast.
I'd drop stock in a hot second if I could get the gameloft 'Kindle Fire Edition' games to run. Sadly there's something I'm missing in the system that keeps them from running in CM7.
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I was hanging on to Stock because I thought the amazon prime membership might be worthwhile, but after two painful OTA updates, I'm out.
I had even frozen OTASilentInstall after 6.2.1, but the damn thing updated anyway! I can't account for this, but it did happen.
I'm backing up my stuff now and will try CM7.
For the record, 6.2.2 breaks root and you need BurritoRoot2.bin to get it back. It's a pain and doesn't yet work like the original. (As far as I can tell, you have to reset it at each reboot. Probably OTA rootkeeper will work, but still a pain.)
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It's been said numerous times that freezing OTASilentInstall does not prevent updates. Also Amazon isn't trying to intentionally break your root..
this one prevented ota for me two times (6.2.1 & 6.2.2):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1451328
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It's been said numerous times that freezing OTASilentInstall does not prevent updates. Also Amazon isn't trying to intentionally break your root..
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Yes, I read that yesterday. Hey, a lot goes on on this site! I can't keep up with every thread every day.
I should have researched preventing the OTA updates further. Like the following:
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this one prevented ota for me two times (6.2.1 & 6.2.2):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1451328
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Agreed, I stayed with stock after the last update and root, but not again. I guess I didn't think it would happen again so fast.
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Yup. It is a pain.
On the other hand. Now that I finally flashed CM7, it's fantastic! It essentially solves the issue in one fell swoop.
It seems to me, it all comes down to how much you plan to consume Amazon's services. If little to none, then CM7 or some other rom is the way to go. If you have or want a prime account, etc. then you have to deal with the workarounds.
Fair deal.
The only thing that kept me off of CM7 is the video issue relating to audio sync. Video is around .5 to .75 seconds ahead of audio at all times on Netflix. So right now I'm running the MoDaCo stock ROM, which I don't know if it will prevent OTA updates or not, but paulobrien gives you a pre-rooted, odexed ROM that's ready to fly. Then I just use a different launcher, and it at least FEELS less stock-ish.
A little lost....I am currently rooted, If I receive the 6.2.2 and root breaks....exactly what will I need to do?
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A little lost....I am currently rooted, If I receive the 6.2.2 and root breaks....exactly what will I need to do?
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You would want to follow the instructions found here. Although, per the post from jcase here, he has an app in the works that will put the OTA headaches behind us
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I'd drop stock in a hot second if I could get the gameloft 'Kindle Fire Edition' games to run. Sadly there's something I'm missing in the system that keeps them from running in CM7.
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I used this thread and got Order And Chaos working on CM7, runs perfect. Also, almost all the gameloft apps I was looking for showed up on the market.
The ONC I bought on the Amazon Market doesn't show up and I didn't try that one since I had picked up ONC on Android Market for .99 during the sale at New Years, so I don't know if KF edition will run. You may have to purchase them a second time.
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The only thing that kept me off of CM7 is the video issue relating to audio sync. Video is around .5 to .75 seconds ahead of audio at all times on Netflix. So right now I'm running the MoDaCo stock ROM, which I don't know if it will prevent OTA updates or not, but paulobrien gives you a pre-rooted, odexed ROM that's ready to fly. Then I just use a different launcher, and it at least FEELS less stock-ish.
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Oh, yeah, I had been using Go Launcher Ex with an ICS theme and was pretty happy with it.
The thing is, I had spent so much time setting everything up and the update undid a bunch of it, not just root. Plus it revived a lot of the bloatware I had already gotten rid of. It was enough to push me over the edge.
I backed up if I ever want to go back and I may also consider MoDaCo which looks good. MoDaCo with OTA protection would be very tempting, indeed.
I do give Amazon credit. What they did with KF, they intended to do and they did it well. It's just that I'm an inveterate tinkerer so I need my freedom! I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here on that point.
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You would want to follow the instructions found here. Although, per the post from jcase here, he has an app in the works that will put the OTA headaches behind us
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Gotcha....THANKS....will work on this this evening...
As the title states I setup brevent on my phone I was able to remove the lockscreen ads by 'breventing' the "Amazon Offers" system app.
One should also note the brevent takes some effort to start (needs a computer) but it stays on as long as you don't restart your phone.
Instructions:
You will have to go to settings and enable "show all apps"
Lock your phone, swipe away the ad, and voilia. no more ads.
There is a possibility that it may suck your battery... or it may improve it... I'll follow up after a few days
It is a shame that people update their phones before checking to see if they should or not. If you want to root or flash a phone, NEVER update it before researching what the updates do.
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It is a shame that people update their phones before checking to see if they should or not. If you want to root or flash a phone, NEVER update it before researching what the updates do.
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Yea but mistakes happen at times. I bought my blu to be a temp phone until the OnePlus 5 came out... Didn't expect the ads to be so annoying...
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There is a possibility that it may suck your battery... or it may improve it... I'll follow up after a few days
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Good news, the battery life is about the same. And maybe it's just my imagination but the phone seems slightly snappier.
For those of us who messed up and updated. This seems like the best option this far.
PS. If it works for you, you should probably donate to the developers of brevent (I am in no way affiliated to them but this has been a lifesaver for me)
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Yea but mistakes happen at times. I bought my blu to be a temp phone until the OnePlus 5 came out... Didn't expect the ads to be so annoying...
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Debloater might be a simpler solution. I have not tested this one but a similar app , that I can't find the page for ,
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/debloater-remove-carrier-bloat-t2998294
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Debloater might be a simpler solution. I have not tested this one but a similar app , that I can't find the page for ,
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/debloater-remove-carrier-bloat-t2998294
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Debloater doesn't work anymore.