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I thought it was common sense, but my buddy with a G1 was like "I didn't know you could do that!?"
OK... so... Go to MarketPlace, Menu key--My Downloads.... if it says installed, you're all good. If it says Install and is a program you HAVE installed? Click it. Will overwrite the old version automatically.
That is one way.... but a new app on the market it makes it one step easier. Install aTrackDog... I used the way you described before this came out... it makes your life soo much easier.
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That is one way.... but a new app on the market it makes it one step easier. Install aTrackDog... I used the way you described before this came out... it makes your life soo much easier.
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Yeah, have heard it doesn't update that fast?
There are some reasons not to use aTrack Dog. I'm manually updating my apps for now. Maybe Google will refine the Market app with an update feature later.
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There are some reasons not to use aTrack Dog. I'm manually updating my apps for now. Maybe Google will refine the Market app with an update feature later.
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Oh wow.. thanks! That's even worse!
Some apps (Twitdroid is a good example) alerts you if there's a new update; and most apps have contact details for the developer, so maybe drop them an email and ask for some auto update code to be added into your favourite apps? Bummer though, you still have to go into the market to update them.
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There are some reasons not to use aTrack Dog. I'm manually updating my apps for now. Maybe Google will refine the Market app with an update feature later.
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Good point but then again... I personally want to know about others beta's, I think aTrackDog should do something thou... make it so all apps are defaulted to not update.
Either way I don't see any real reasons to not use it except that you should know it may show a beta version. The updates are fast usually everytime I open it there is at least one program on there.
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Either way I don't see any real reasons to not use it except that you should know it may show a beta version. The updates are fast usually everytime I open it there is at least one program on there.
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True, I suppose it is a matter of personal preference. Since I only have a half dozen apps installed on my G1, it's rather trivial to just check the download list. I balance that against having yet another app installed, not to mention having my app installation habits data-mined by aTrackdog.
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Good point but then again... I personally want to know about others beta's, I think aTrackDog should do something thou... make it so all apps are defaulted to not update.
Either way I don't see any real reasons to not use it except that you should know it may show a beta version. The updates are fast usually everytime I open it there is at least one program on there.
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I am not a developer but can see a potential for an exploit on this maybe? Sending out info isn't ever really a good idea. Even if it's set to only send out this and that data, I have seen exploits take advantage of less.
Both valid points, but then again look at the stuff I can't uninstall LOL that can send out just as much info. Everything is a risk, and honestly maybe application mining my G1 is a good thing, might lead to more big name developers wasting money to make quality apps for cheap/free. Never know might make MS want to make an office suite... or better yet... openoffice doing it.
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Both valid points, but then again look at the stuff I can't uninstall LOL that can send out just as much info. Everything is a risk, and honestly maybe application mining my G1 is a good thing, might lead to more big name developers wasting money to make quality apps for cheap/free. Never know might make MS want to make an office suite... or better yet... openoffice doing it.
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Yeah I wouldn't really hold my breath on OpenOffice for Android. Aside from the fact that most desktop apps have to be completely retooled to function in a mobile context, i'm sure Sun isn't too happy about Google brewing up Dalvik based on Java (which quite directly competes with J2ME). Dataviz is already working on an Android version of DocsToGo.
Of course if Google were to put more of their engineers on Android/mobile development, maybe we could see Google Docs for Android. Let's hope those Christmas Bonus Dreams lead to more apps Googlers make in their 20%.
aTrackDog work nice
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Yeah I wouldn't really hold my breath on OpenOffice for Android. Aside from the fact that most desktop apps have to be completely retooled to function in a mobile context, i'm sure Sun isn't too happy about Google brewing up Dalvik based on Java (which quite directly competes with J2ME). Dataviz is already working on an Android version of DocsToGo.
Of course if Google were to put more of their engineers on Android/mobile development, maybe we could see Google Docs for Android. Let's hope those Christmas Bonus Dreams lead to more apps Googlers make in their 20%.
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Isn't openoffice made publically? (not the source but the actual development is by the general public) wouldn't that mean if enough got an android they could do it? LOL
And I bust up over the G1 for all Google employees. But then again that article made it sound like every employee normally gets 20,000 for Christmas *cough*bull*cough* I bet only the high ups got anywhere close to that and probably the lowers got 100 dollars and maybe some free software or something.
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Isn't openoffice made publically? (not the source but the actual development is by the general public) wouldn't that mean if enough got an android they could do it? LOL
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Actually it is an open source project. However project leaders have very broad discretion to guide the direction a project takes. A good example would be the Android Open Source Project.
And I bust up over the G1 for all Google employees. But then again that article made it sound like every employee normally gets 20,000 for Christmas *cough*bull*cough* I bet only the high ups got anywhere close to that and probably the lowers got 100 dollars and maybe some free software or something.
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Yeah the average Googler received a $1000 holiday bonus last year.
wow 1000 dollar bonus... that is really good... but I understand why that is cut in half this year especially with the way the economy is.
:/ getting sick of opening taskkiller, and there are a dozen things up and running that i never started. ever. why is amazon mp3 always on? why is pandora starting up w/o my tacit approval? why are a bunch of other applications starting up w/o me saying so? how do i stop it w/o rooting the machine?
why in god's name is amazon mp3 even on this thing? i hate it.
and, to any lurking google employees, i simply hate admob. adfree will be the first thing i put on if (more like 'when') i root this thing
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:/ getting sick of opening taskkiller, and there are a dozen things up and running that i never started. ever. why is amazon mp3 always on? why is pandora starting up w/o my tacit approval? why are a bunch of other applications starting up w/o me saying so? how do i stop it w/o rooting the machine?
why in god's name is amazon mp3 even on this thing? i hate it.
and, to any lurking google employees, i simply hate admob. adfree will be the first thing i put on if (more like 'when') i root this thing
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Just because you see it listed in a task manager doesn't mean it's running. You should check your task manager's documentation for details.
If you, and the others that are so OCD about this, are so adamantly opposed, then uninstall all of your apps and reinstall them only when you use them. That's the only way to get around it. Otherwise, deal with it. It's normal and isn't such a drain on your phone.
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If you, and the others that are so OCD about this, are so adamantly opposed, then uninstall all of your apps and reinstall them only when you use them. That's the only way to get around it. Otherwise, deal with it. It's normal and isn't such a drain on your phone.
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it isn't normal on any other OS. i can set up my starting apps on windows, windows mobile, and ubuntu. and, nothing that i shut just auto goes on any of those. doesn't make sense that these things just start by themselves.
btw, couldja turn down the 'tone'? 'deal w it' isn't very helpful
Get the app called Startup Auditor, it's like .99 cents or something, not sure.
This allows you to disable any apps that auto start.
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Get the app called Startup Auditor, it's like .99 cents or something, not sure.
This allows you to disable any apps that auto start.
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It's called AutoStart but it won't prevent apps from showing up in task managers after startup.
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it isn't normal on any other OS. i can set up my starting apps on windows, windows mobile, and ubuntu. and, nothing that i shut just auto goes on any of those. doesn't make sense that these things just start by themselves.
btw, couldja turn down the 'tone'? 'deal w it' isn't very helpful
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The tone needs to be turned up when people keep *****ing about the same thing day in and day out. This is normal for Android. This isn't Windows, Windows Mobile or Ubuntu. Again... if you don't like it, get a Windows Mobile phone. Otherwise, deal with it.
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The tone needs to be turned up when people keep *****ing about the same thing day in and day out. This is normal for Android. This isn't Windows, Windows Mobile or Ubuntu. Again... if you don't like it, get a Windows Mobile phone. Otherwise, deal with it.
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no man, you reaaly need to chill.
you didnt have to post, you didnt have to read.
and definitely you dont have to be rude.
then your argument.. uninstall. yeah right, its not always possible if you're not rooted.
and im curious too. there doesnt seem to be a 'standard' when an app gets installed. sometimes they all get started at reboot, sometimes only some of them. I would be interested to know why as well.
Some of you guys are straight rude about this.
This drive me nutz too, the apps starting, so does the negativity on this forum.
# free before and after task killer:
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total used free shared buffers
Mem: 395068 349336 45732 0 4964
Swap: 0 0 0
Total: 395068 349336 45732
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Mem: 395068 259224 135844 0 4964
Swap: 0 0 0
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uansari1
If you, and the others that are so OCD about this, are so adamantly opposed, then uninstall all of your apps and reinstall them only when you use them. That's the only way to get around it. Otherwise, deal with it. It's normal and isn't such a drain on your phone.
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The tone needs to be turned up when people keep *****ing about the same thing day in and day out. This is normal for Android. This isn't Windows, Windows Mobile or Ubuntu. Again... if you don't like it, get a Windows Mobile phone. Otherwise, deal with it.
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Not everybody is a computer expert dude. You should keep your negativity to yourself because other people might find the discussion on this interesting. Youu answers are weak and rude and you do not contribute to this discussion.
It is annoying, but it wont matter so much once we get the full 512MB of RAM available for use.
Until then you can use "Startup Auditor" (unfortunately not free) to find and disable startup apps. It works about 90% of the time...some disabled(and "keep disabled") apps still manage to start anyway.
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Not everybody is a computer expert dude. You should keep your negativity to yourself because other people might find the discussion on this interesting. Youu answers are weak and rude and you do not contribute to this discussion.
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Look man, I'm not a computer expert either... I have two degrees in business and am in law school. But I do have an Android fetish. My point was only that this is normal for Android.
You had 45mb free before the task killer. That's plenty of free memory. As I said in another thread about this very topic, Android will automatically kill apps when free memory reaches a certain threshold. What's the point of leaving memory free anyway? If you're not using it, it's just sitting there going to waste when it could be caching an app to open faster when I tap on it.
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Look man, I'm not a computer expert either... I have two degrees in business and am in law school. But I do have an Android fetish. My point was only that this is normal for Android.
You had 45mb free before the task killer. That's plenty of free memory. As I said in another thread about this very topic, Android will automatically kill apps when free memory reaches a certain threshold. What's the point of leaving memory free anyway? If you're not using it, it's just sitting there going to waste when it could be caching an app to open faster when I tap on it.
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And you see bro, that is a much more productive answer, my android addiction has me checking everything I can. Killing apps did make a difference on my G1. Not as much on this one, but with my new ram patch it is running even faster.
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Look man, I'm not a computer expert either... I have two degrees in business and am in law school. But I do have an Android fetish. My point was only that this is normal for Android.
You had 45mb free before the task killer. That's plenty of free memory. As I said in another thread about this very topic, Android will automatically kill apps when free memory reaches a certain threshold. What's the point of leaving memory free anyway? If you're not using it, it's just sitting there going to waste when it could be caching an app to open faster when I tap on it.
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man, how is it you dont understand I would like to know the reason why this happens? i m not interested in the fact that i have enough memory. I would like to know why some of the apps I install autostart and some others dont.
as for the caching... it doesnt really work like that. the apps you kill free the memory, which THEN can be used for caching. if you dont task-kill them, android will do it on its own, but that adds another step before your new app can be loaded. there is a point in killing tasks. its just not everyone benefits from it.
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And you see bro, that is a much more productive answer, my android addiction has me checking everything I can. Killing apps did make a difference on my G1. Not as much on this one, but with my new ram patch it is running even faster.
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I'm glad you think the answer is productive bro... but it's not anything that hasn't been said before in this forum and numerous others. I'm sure you can understand that it becomes tiring when people ask the same questions over and over, and don't bother searching or doing their own research to find the answers. Everyone, it seems, wants to be spoonfed the information without doing much, if any, work to find it themselves.
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man, how is it you dont understand I would like to know the reason why this happens? i m not interested in the fact that i have enough memory. I would like to know why some of the apps I install autostart and some others dont.
as for the caching... it doesnt really work like that. the apps you kill free the memory, which THEN can be used for caching. if you dont task-kill them, android will do it on its own, but that adds another step before your new app can be loaded. there is a point in killing tasks. its just not everyone benefits from it.
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I totally understand that you want, and a few others, want to know why all this works the way it does. Again, this has all been covered ad nauseum in this forum, as well as the Dream, Magic, and Hero forums. The apps themselves have been written by the developers to automatically open. That's why when you start up any Android phone, some apps will be running. So again, one last time, this is normal behavior for Android.
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I'm glad you think the answer is productive bro... but it's not anything that hasn't been said before in this forum and numerous others. I'm sure you can understand that it becomes tiring when people ask the same questions over and over, and don't bother searching or doing their own research to find the answers. Everyone, it seems, wants to be spoonfed the information without doing much, if any, work to find it themselves.
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uansari, i DO search, thank you very much, but i'm not going to troll the forums for 70 other phones looking for an answer to my questions. do you insult everyone this much, or are you just feeling like a jerk today?
i get why apps would stay open. but, it makes absolutely no sense for an app like amazon mp3 to autostart after i have closed it. and, you're answer of 'it is just what android does' means you actually have no clue, and are no help, and have given up finding a solution. i don't care about whether you're in law school. i also have 2 undergrads, mathematics and biochem, with a concentration in engineering (ce and ee to be exact), and am currently working on both my phd and my md, 6 years into an 8 year program. so, you can take your piddly 3 year graduate program, and your inane unhelpful responses, and cram them. maybe you can impress some waitress at ihop with your credentials, but i've taken dumps that impress me more.
if you can't help, leave.
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uansari, i DO search, thank you very much, but i'm not going to troll the forums for 70 other phones looking for an answer to my questions. do you insult everyone this much, or are you just feeling like a jerk today?
i get why apps would stay open. but, it makes absolutely no sense for an app like amazon mp3 to autostart after i have closed it. and, you're answer of 'it is just what android does' means you actually have no clue, and are no help, and have given up finding a solution. i don't care about whether you're in law school. i also have 2 undergrads, mathematics and biochem, with a concentration in engineering (ce and ee to be exact), and am currently working on both my phd and my md, 6 years into an 8 year program. so, you can take your piddly 3 year graduate program, and your inane unhelpful responses, and cram them. maybe you can impress some waitress at ihop with your credentials, but i've taken dumps that impress me more.
if you can't help, leave.
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I do feel like a jerk today, yes. As for why the apps open... I said it's normal for Android... not "that's what Android does". If you read my posts, you'll see that I said that the application developer writes the program that way. That being the case, take it up with the Amazon app dev.
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I do feel like a jerk today, yes. As for why the apps open... I said it's normal for Android... not "that's what Android does". If you read my posts, you'll see that I said that the application developer writes the program that way. That being the case, take it up with the Amazon app dev.
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I don't think the Amazon app has a developer lol, well not that anyone can contact. Don't know for sure though, ~.~.
And I thought the Nexus one didn't close apps now because it has more free RAM, or something (I'm only 14 here, not yet very educated in this), unlike previous Android phones that had to conserve their resources in order to stay stable. Apps will not close until the phone reaches a limit in which it cannot handle caching the apps. I'm just repeating, but isn't this to answer to the question?
It has been said quite much, especially if I remember it.. (and if I'm correct, that is)
Incorrect. Android, regardless of how much RAM it has, will keep applications in memory until an active process requires more memory than is available. This can be a new application being launched or an active application/service that needs more memory.
Freeing memory by killing applications is not likely to speed up the phone. You may get a slight boost in launch speed if memory is full to the point that applications need to be deallocated from memory but not otherwise.
To actually understand why I say this you need to understand a bit about how an android application really works. This is an over generalization but an android application is basically made up of 2 components Activities and Services. The principal activity for an application is what you would see in the "applications" tab. An activity that is not in the foreground is not using CPU. If an application wants to do any work when the activity is not in the foreground it needs to spawn a service. A service can continue to use CPU and potentially allocate more memory while the main activity is not in the foreground. Services would be listed in the "processes" tab of Advanced Task Manager.
So if you kill an "application" without killing any services associated with it then you in reality have not done much. Taking as an example if you kill the "Amazon MP3" application without also killing the "MP3 store" you have in actuality accomplished very little. The google IM application actually spawns multiple services "IM" and "Google Talk Service". I want to stress this. If an application that has not gone rogue is using CPU it is not likely to be the Activity but an underlying service. It gets a little more complicated since not all applications behave as they should but everything in the stock install is safe from this standpoint.
Now onto the second half, and if you are still reading at this point thanks. Any application can request permission to recieve the event of boot completion. Typically this is done to start some background service. So if an application other than the default set starts at bootup it is because you clicked ok to its permission to do so. You are sort of limited in what you can do about the default applications, about the only way I could think of to "prevent" start up would be to create an application to let it all start up then kill whichever apps you deem objectionable. At a guess that is how your start up application works. It might be possible to intercept the boot up complete broadcast but if you can I am not aware of how. A broadcast by definition is supposed to go to all broadcast receivers configured to listen for it. The default set of applications were chosen to start with deliberation and are unlikely to cause any problems. If you launch sufficient apps to necessitate their closing they will close and not cause problems.
The TLDR version. So many apps start at boot up because they asked to be, and in the case of any app you install, because you gave permission for them to start.
@JanetPanic
Thank you TREMENDOUSLY for your post.
It was/is very insightful, productive, informative and worth bookmarking (for me at least).
You've singehandedly taken a thread that has been jacked, and redirected it towards it's original purpose.
I hope everyone takes not.
This is HOW A FORUM WORKS.
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@JanetPanic
Thank you TREMENDOUSLY for your post.
It was/is very insightful, productive, informative and worth bookmarking (for me at least).
You've singehandedly taken a thread that has been jacked, and redirected it towards it's original purpose.
I hope everyone takes not.
This is HOW A FORUM WORKS.
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+1 thanks Janet.
I knew the first part (which I tried to explain to uansari1 with no success), but I didnt know the details of the boot process.
very much appreciated!
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Hi,
Today I found this document on the german website www.heise.de
This document is a threat analysis of the Android Market.
On page 9 is an overview how many apps have which permissions and there are 9 apps that can brick your phone!!
Does anybody know such an app which can brick the phone?
You should read this: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/burnette/cnet-retracts-article-on-android-app-privacy-threat/1987 and realize its all a scam to get people to buy an iphone.
They where listing one of the option as brick, anybody know if there's such option. and what it does, I doubt it would brick the phone in the real meaning...
either way anything that has a direct connection to the internet and access to your record is a potential risk, it is goog to be aware of this but pointing Android because it list such option is quite ridiculous since other OS doesn't even warn you about the fact that program can read your data...
Link: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/Manifest.permission.html
android.permission.BRICK
Required to be able to disable the device (very dangerous!).
Good lord, WIPE I could see.... BRICK!?
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Link: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/Manifest.permission.html
android.permission.BRICK
Required to be able to disable the device (very dangerous!).
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I think it's there in the SDK only for testing on the emulator. I'm quite sure none of the actual hardware devices would support it.. or at least I hope not
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I think it's there in the SDK only for testing on the emulator. I'm quite sure none of the actual hardware devices would support it.. or at least I hope not
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I think it should be there, at least I have one use for it, an application to remotely lock your phone (or wipe critical information) in case of stole or lost phone. Definitely user should confirm this permission and should only do that if they completely trust the author.
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I think it should be there, at least I have one use for it, an application to remotely lock your phone (or wipe critical information) in case of stole or lost phone. Definitely user should confirm this permission and should only do that if they completely trust the author.
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Remote locking is different from bricking. It makes no sense to "remotely brick" a stolen device, because then, even if you do get it back, it's useless.
But when you install the app, it has to display the permission
This application has access to the following:
Hardware controls
Brick your phone
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I think it's there in the SDK only for testing on the emulator. I'm quite sure none of the actual hardware devices would support it.. or at least I hope not
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I'm sure there's some kind of app that can potentially brick your phone. No doubt you have to be rooted for it to have access to that ability. Clockwork ROM manager could potentially brick you're phone if you do something stupid (battery pull).
Read the permissions. Don't install what seems suspect. If the app tries to do something it doesn't have permission to do, the OS won't allow it. It's not like another app store where you have to rely on a fallible person to safeguard you.
Oh, and don't freak out when that free game you're looking at asks for internet access and your GPS location. It needs that info to serve you ads so it stays free. Don't be paranoid, nobody really cares about you, never mind enough to stalk you.
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I'm sure there's some kind of app that can potentially brick your phone. No doubt you have to be rooted for it to have access to that ability. Clockwork ROM manager could potentially brick you're phone if you do something stupid (battery pull).
Read the permissions. Don't install what seems suspect. If the app tries to do something it doesn't have permission to do, the OS won't allow it. It's not like another app store where you have to rely on a fallible person to safeguard you.
Oh, and don't freak out when that free game you're looking at asks for internet access and your GPS location. It needs that info to serve you ads so it stays free. Don't be paranoid, nobody really cares about you, never mind enough to stalk you.
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The Clockwork ROM Manager application itself can't brick the phone - or at least it won't advertise that it can. The bricking is caused if the flashing process is interrupted, which is (strictly speaking) outside the purview of the app.
Also, what the OP found is just an ability to advertise to the user that installing this app can brick the phone. There is no mechanism by which an apk, running inside the dalvik jvm sandbox, can cause irrevocable hardware damage to the phone - at least none has been found yet.
Your last paragraph about games staying free and paranoia is just off-topic.
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The Clockwork ROM Manager application itself can't brick the phone - or at least it won't advertise that it can. The bricking is caused if the flashing process is interrupted, which is (strictly speaking) outside the purview of the app.
Also, what the OP found is just an ability to advertise to the user that installing this app can brick the phone. There is no mechanism by which an apk, running inside the dalvik jvm sandbox, can cause irrevocable hardware damage to the phone - at least none has been found yet.
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1) You're Splitting hairs. We don't know what criteria the company that produced this study was using. Given that the whole thing was a springboard for advertising the need for their product, they're probably being more loose with the facts than you or I would. I used Clockwork as an example of how they might be interpreting the market.
2) I wasn't arguing against you. I was using your post to segue into my own. So do not take anything I said as something against your position. I, in fact, agree with your statement. I highly doubt a stock Android handset will allow you permission to brick it. I even doubt there is a root-only app that will purposefully brick your phone. I think SMobile Systems is borderline LYING to sell their unneeded product.
Your last paragraph about games staying free and paranoia is just off-topic.
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XDA attracts a lot more than experts, many of which are not even vaguely familiar with Android permissions are, what app services might need them, nevermind the economics of the Android market. As such, given that I had in the previous sentence advised people to be critical of the permissions that apps request (I don't think most people look at them closely enough), I went the other way and told them not to be so careful as to enter the realm of paranoia. It's balanced advice and is therefore relevant to the topic.
Hopefully, this clears up any confusion. Cheers and good night...err morning, whatever you call 4AM.
ATnTdude, I don't mean to be brandishing swords or arguing.. Sorry if it seemed that way I just realised that the OP started this topic out of that stupid SMobile article. Had I read that before, I wouldn't have 'split hairs'! My bad :-/
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but when you install the app, it has to display the permission
this application has access to the following:
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ahhahaha +1
@klausdieter79 Thanks for the link
I also hope it is not included in the regular phone library, I can easilly imagine someone granting this by mistake
Let's wait for someone to upload a one button app named accelerate and the only permission requested will be brick...
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@klausdieter79 Thanks for the link
I also hope it is not included in the regular phone library, I can easilly imagine someone granting this by mistake
Let's wait for someone to upload a one button app named accelerate and the only permission requested will be brick...
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I'm pretty much 100% certain you would have to have a rooted ROM for that to work...in which case, you probably know better than to install an app that requests permission to brick your phone
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ATnTdude, I don't mean to be brandishing swords or arguing.. Sorry if it seemed that way I just realised that the OP started this topic out of that stupid SMobile article. Had I read that before, I wouldn't have 'split hairs'! My bad :-/
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I figured as much. It's all good.
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Oh, and don't freak out when that free game you're looking at asks for internet access and your GPS location. It needs that info to serve you ads so it stays free. Don't be paranoid, nobody really cares about you, never mind enough to stalk you.
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OT, but I would be a little pissed if a developer was wasting my battery with GPS just to serve up targeted ads. There's no reason they couldn't use the much more battery efficient network location for that.
Anyone using any that's good? I was using lookout, but I found it obtrusive and I want something worthwhile.
IlPapu said:
Anyone using any that's good? I was using lookout, but I found it obtrusive and I want something worthwhile.
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Being these phones are Linux based most "virus" that are downloaded and installed (with user permission i remind you) are mal-ware.
There is no real reason to need one.
Just make sure you know where the apps are coming from and you shouldn't have a problem.
neidlinger said:
Being these phones are Linux based most "virus" that are downloaded and installed (with user permission i remind you) are mal-ware.
There is no real reason to need one.
Just make sure you know where the apps are coming from and you shouldn't have a problem.
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As I stated in AC/AF forum. You have to understand the biggest threat *nix based system faces comes from the user itself who are danger to the system as they don't understand it. Now by default how the permission base structure was setup was designed to limit the access from rouge script or execute shell which was place remotely. For it to happen it didn't magically came on the local host it was done with the permission of the user unknowingly as they basically gave the rights away. This is why we say to new users not to run under usr root as even sufficient @wheel access they can do damage.
So when you download app specially you know who and you know where becareful make sure you read the permission that you grant the apps as it can connect, update, upload contents. Far as this thread goes its useless as virus scanner just waste resource which can be overcome with little caution or avoided totally with common sense.
You dont really have to worry about antivirus with android aslong as you dont let everything under the sun have its way with superuser. Theres not much that can go wrong past wipeing your contacts or something but thats a quick refresh on sync and there back. Really all u need is a good device finder something that can help you recover a stolen device or what ever. I use Mobile Defence and its almost out of beta so should be available on the market soon.
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You dont really have to worry about antivirus with android aslong as you dont let everything under the sun have its way with superuser. Theres not much that can go wrong past wipeing your contacts or something but thats a quick refresh on sync and there back. Really all u need is a good device finder something that can help you recover a stolen device or what ever. I use Mobile Defence and its almost out of beta so should be available on the market soon.
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Do you even know what your talking about? Wiping contacts? Where did you get that from? That's least of the worst fear far as you know it can dail in some 900 number and charge you whatever money they want. They can even data mine and steal other info but antivirus wont help you only way you can be safe is follow common sense and not giving permission to things that's suspicious and asking for access to things it has no need for access to.
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SoltyPK said:
You dont really have to worry about antivirus with android....
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I beg to differ. Just using one news source .. and articles from the last 30 days, I found the following Andriod malware news stories:
Infected Androids Run Up Big Texting Bills
Mobile Spyware Conferences Into Your Calls
New Android Malware Robs Bandwidth For Fake Searches
Security Warning Over Web-Based Android Market
Android isn't Windows, but it is susceptible to attack. It is a growing market (300,000+ phones activated daily), filled with non-technical, clueless users, as well.
Here's one more, from another news source, from yesterday. Fifty apps. Five-Zero. In Android Market:
Google Removes More Malware from Android Market
The only alternative app market I've ever seen is appbrain, and that re-routes you to the standard market. Why would you use something other than the android market? Outside of pirated apps, it seems pretty pointless. Am I missing something?
Well thats the beauty of open community even if anything does show up it is quickly identified and users blow the whistle on it. Other than that you need walgarden based market like Apple's App Store which takes time and forever to post as this is fine as is. This is why user recommendation is important and mostly everyone use similar.
Far as virus thing goes its pure void I mean if it was identified then the source wouldn't be available in first place. You DON'T need anything as thats what they want you to think as they pray on your fear to buy these BS app which you don't even need with little caution you can be safe.
^^^^ lol Blackshelf is never wrong
.. at least that's what he thinks... ARROGANT
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surfnhawaii808 said:
^^^^ lol Blackshelf is never wrong
.. at least that's what he thinks... ARROGANT
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So why don't you prove me wrong here? are you actually trying to debate this? Last time I checked I was the one behind *nix system for past 12+ years. Thats like driving your car with your eyes closed and when you get in accident you blame the car, no you only have yourself to blame. As this same concept apply for system. Fine lets drop this subject ill let you prove your own point so did you ever find the docs about your "VICC 4G Sim Card"? How did that go for ya? how do I get one? will you sell me one for $9.99? lol
So since I don't need antivirus, and mal-ware is all I am looking for, what then is the best methods for telling if an App is laced with mal-ware? I am very careful in what I grant SU access and look at the permission before I install. I usually install from the app market. Any other helpful hints?
Well when you need something as the community for recommendations on which app would be appropriate for your need I mean if you Google it you will find answer as I'm sure someone asked, this way based on top pick what everyone use you can get.
Second is be cautious and what I mean by that is look for abnormalities like the app is asking for permission which wouldn't have news for to function.
Third is the most important part to where you get it ask you can reduce the risk by downloading from app market and not downloading from 3rd party of by pirated *.apk's as you wont know where it came from or what it contained.
If you follow these simple methods you can reduce the risk factor by large margin, now I am no fool I know you still can get it even after this but this way it wont be long before someone blow the whistle on it and app gets pulled from the market. This is just common sense you should follow.
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Antivirus software?
The most widely used free anti-virus software is AVG from Grisoft which makes money by selling virus protection to small businesses. To promote this, it offers domestic users a very professional free version which allows regular updates.
New to smartphones, I was just wondering do I need an antivirus for my Galaxy Note? And if the answer is yes, what do you guys recommend?
All you need to know about this subject is right here.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
All you need to know about this subject is right here.
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Dave
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That's exactly the article I read that made me ask the question
Since it came from google, the manufacturer of android, I think they would try to protect the integrity of their product, so I am not sure....
Checkout these articles: http://www.neowin.net/news/free-android-anti-virus-products-virtually-useless - http://www.neowin.net/news/wp7-avg-antivirus-app-is-possibly-spyware
I personally feel Google trying to do their down things does allow malware to get in once a while and need to improve Android security. I am more worried with the privacy issue (Carrier IQ). I still feel there is a level of openness with Android, its not entire open source, but at least you can see something unlike some competing mobile os.
Personally I use AdFree (which does more than block ads since it block malware sites from loading, it basically adds IP blocklist to your /etc/hosts file, which you can also do manually) and LBE Privacy Guard (which seems to be a great concept allowing to deny permissions of apps, my only concern of it is being closed source, there is a big thread about it).
having an antivirus is useful. a few months ago my motorola atrix was having a bug where the screen would only light up when i first turned it on. if i locked it and then tried to unlock it, the screen would work, but the backlight wouldnt work.
i grabbed dr. web light, not expecting it to really do anything. ended up finding malware, and after removing the malware, screen backlight started working properly again.
on a phone like the galaxy note, theres more than enough processing power to run a background virus scanner without running out of puff, so i say, why not?
The answer to this question is really quite simple, it depends on this:
Do you carefully watch the permissions of apps you are about to install?
If your answer is: "yes, I carefully watch the permissions and don't install apps such as tetris which wants access to sms" then you can quite safely go without any anti malware software.
If your answer on the other hand is: "no, I just install interesting apps and quickly click through the permission page to start the download" then yes, you might benefit of software to protect your device.
The beauty of Android is that whatever app you are about to install INCLUDING malware states clearly what part of your device it is going to access. If people don't bother reading the permissions then a big part of fault is on them also. However this isn't really too well explained, especially for new users, so I assume a majority of users don't really understand WHY the permissions are shown before downloading an app. This is something Google could improve on in my opinion.
And lastly, the fact that apps coming to Apples app store are screened doesn't make it any more secure than Android. It just has people making the choices FOR you. If something well hidden is slipped past them, not a single user will know about the threat. Just as one app developer showed in public a few weeks ago and as a result got his developer status cancelled by Apple.
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Also a small note here. A virus is something that multiplies and spreads (weather it's bacteria or code doesn't matter). The malicious apps in the market are malware and spyware and because of this the word antivirus for Android isn't really correct. They don't stop viruses, they stop malicious apps.
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here's the link to the story of that Apple developer:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygre...per-program-for-proof-of-concept-exploit-app/
this just proves that app store isn't any more secure than Android market. It just has people who take a look at apps before they are approved, and as you can read, they are far from perfect.
How many of you guys use Antivirus?
Who here does not feel the need?
Does Google recommend it like Windows does for PC? (already read the article from one Google guy saying Antivirus companies are playing on our fears, but he is only one guy)
And to those who have used antivirus software, which software did you use on your Note specifically and has it slowed down your Note or increased the battery consumption?
knowsnophones said:
How many of you guys use Antivirus?
Who here does not feel the need?
Does Google recommend it like Windows does for PC? (already read the article from one Google guy saying Antivirus companies are playing on our fears, but he is only one guy)
And to those who have used antivirus software, which software did you use on your Note specifically and has it slowed down your Note or increased the battery consumption?
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You already have a couple fairly comprehensive answers to your first post but I'll answer these questions too:
I do not use any antivirus and I do not feel the need to
Aside from that article, I haven't seen a single mention from Google about needing any antivirus at all.
The so called antivirus programs that are made for Android right now suck. They don't stop enough malware to be worth the money or effort, here's a few source links for evidence: http://www.extremetech.com/computin...rus-apps-are-useless-heres-what-to-do-instead and http://www.informationweek.com/byte/news/231902823
Just by using common sense you will be fine with no antivirus app. If you really want an antivirus app, then go get it. It will be close to useless and it won't stop all threats anyway so you will still have to use common sense to be protected anyway.
I installed avast. it is free and no it doesn't slow down my note.
friedje said:
I installed avast. it is free and no it doesn't slow down my note.
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I got the AVG pro, might not really need it since I´m kind of anal about what I install on the GNOTE... But better safe than sorry...
+1 doesn´t slow things down.
akselic said:
You already have a couple fairly comprehensive answers to your first post but I'll answer these questions too:
I do not use any antivirus and I do not feel the need to
Aside from that article, I haven't seen a single mention from Google about needing any antivirus at all.
The so called antivirus programs that are made for Android right now suck. They don't stop enough malware to be worth the money or effort, here's a few source links for evidence: http://www.extremetech.com/computin...rus-apps-are-useless-heres-what-to-do-instead and http://www.informationweek.com/byte/news/231902823
Just by using common sense you will be fine with no antivirus app. If you really want an antivirus app, then go get it. It will be close to useless and it won't stop all threats anyway so you will still have to use common sense to be protected anyway.
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Just because YOU feel superior to most other users, doesn't mean that they have the knowledge or enough 'common sense' to understand the permissions some apps ask for. The fact that an antivirus is not 100% safe doesn't mean it is 100% useless.... If it stops just one threath it already made sense..
There are lots of good FREE antivirus programs so where is the reason NOT to install one ???
There are also ppl that don't take medics, because if they or their children die from FLU that was Gods will.......
Maybe you should consider that not all users of a smartphone are IT-gods like you
friedje said:
I installed avast. it is free and no it doesn't slow down my note.
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ville7805 said:
I got the AVG pro, might not really need it since I´m kind of anal about what I install on the GNOTE... But better safe than sorry...
+1 doesn´t slow things down.
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I have both installed, no slowdown issues and was running LBE too, may switch to droidwall or turn LBE back on. Worth noting the AVG pro is free if you qualify for the Samsung Hub exclusives.
Dave
I am using Lookout anti-virus ever since my first Android more than a year ago. It's never given me a hic-cup even when scanning.
Also, anyone knows an App which lists which App has what permission in a list form?
Thanks!
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Does a free antitrust do as good a job as a paid one
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Does a free antitrust do as good a job as a paid one
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For now they all do a rather lousy job, the free and the paid ones.
But the paid ones seem to score a bit better.
I installed LBE aswell, but you need root for it to work well.
Same goes for avast, it prefers having root access.
I use avg on my galaxy tab, works without any issues.
friedje said:
Just because YOU feel superior to most other users, doesn't mean that they have the knowledge or enough 'common sense' to understand the permissions some apps ask for. The fact that an antivirus is not 100% safe doesn't mean it is 100% useless.... If it stops just one threath it already made sense..
There are lots of good FREE antivirus programs so where is the reason NOT to install one ???
There are also ppl that don't take medics, because if they or their children die from FLU that was Gods will.......
Maybe you should consider that not all users of a smartphone are IT-gods like you
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No need to over react mate. I'm no IT-god, or a nerd or anything like an "advanced" user. The only common sense that I was referring to is something that everyone has. If you can read what the apps do, then you can read the permissions before installing them. There is no need to be an expert.
If you are installing a single player offline game that asks permissions for sms, phone calls and contacts and it isn't blacklisted by those antivirus apps yet, then it won't be detected and you can only blame yourself when you get a 600$ phone bill because the app has sent messages to premium numbers. It's not rocket science, just common sence.
If the tests conclude that 90% of androids antivirus programs manage 10-20% of malicious apps and you still want one, then go ahead and get one. No need to get offended when people are trying to give advice.