At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the Nokia 9 PureView's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
This is the area that I most confused about. They say that it lets 10x more light in than other phones, but the low light is not better than my Pixel 2 without Night Sight, let alone when I turn Night Sight on. It gets good results if you can do a longer exposure but in very low light to no light, this phone is not performing well for me.
Yup it couldn't beat an iPhone XS Max with just point and click. Might actually return this one. Darker grainier image is the Nokia. Lumia 1020 beats this one. Sorry.
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Yup it couldn't beat an iPhone XS Max with just point and click. Might actually return this one. Darker grainier image is the Nokia. Lumia 1020 beats this one. Sorry.
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And does it have night mode?
I agree. Basically lo light is rubbish.
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Yup it couldn't beat an iPhone XS Max with just point and click. Might actually return this one. Darker grainier image is the Nokia. Lumia 1020 beats this one. Sorry.
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If that's the best it can do in low light, I'm cancelling my pre-order.
Looking at photos, honestly it looks like the extra cameras are only used in raw shots. I think it's a really bad decision for that, but that's how it appears to me.
See the screenshots attached. Darker image is 'point and shoot'. Brighter image is raw of the same shot.
Edit for Google Drive link. DNG and original JPG are in there. Screenshots of both as well, in case you don't want it check the DNG file.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1-3ocYSlKpKW1gqi_ybGJOw1hEGo2jf0C
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Looking at photos, honestly it looks like the extra cameras are only used in raw shots. I think it's a really bad decision for that, but that's how it appears to me.
See the screenshots attached. Darker image is 'point and shoot'. Brighter image is raw of the same shot.
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I don't think that's the case, the 5 cameras are always used.
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I don't think that's the case, the 5 cameras are always used.
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I think they're supposed to always be used, but based on low light performance, I strongly doubt that they are.
I was only interested in this phone for the camera. To see a 2 Lens iOS device beat this one is atrocious. A lumia 1020 till this day gives you thrills for the photos it takes.
Look at this picture of a cat taken in a lit room, the one with a warmer tone (first pic) is the one with the XS and is closer to how the room looks in real life. Both pics taken with flash.
This is going back. What a waste. Will wait for the Xperia 1.
Nokia, step up your game.
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I was only interested in this phone for the camera. To see a 2 Lens iOS device beat this one is atrocious. A lumia 1020 till this day gives you thrills for the photos it takes.
Look at this picture of a cat taken in a lit room, the one with a warmer tone (first pic) is the one with the XS and is closer to how the room looks in real life. Both pics taken with flash.
This is going back. What a waste. Will wait for the Xperia 1.
Nokia, step up your game.
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as some review have said, N9 is not really flattering for PnS without retouching, have you tried lightroom to get to the same color mood? Then try to compare, because the details in the cat's fur is good, but it needs to be retouched
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I was only interested in this phone for the camera. To see a 2 Lens iOS device beat this one is atrocious. A lumia 1020 till this day gives you thrills for the photos it takes.
Look at this picture of a cat taken in a lit room, the one with a warmer tone (first pic) is the one with the XS and is closer to how the room looks in real life. Both pics taken with flash.
This is going back. What a waste. Will wait for the Xperia 1.
Nokia, step up your game.
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First , your shooting with flash. Since it are 2 different phones your shooting with 2 different flashes, so your actually comparing the flash here. Shooting with different lighting (flash) makes it difficult to compare the images.
From what i can see in the cat pictures : the Nokia's flash is much brighter : look at the reflection on the rear wall, and the cat is brighter illuminated, on the XS photo the backlights are to bright and close to the cat for my taste , they give me a "get that light out of my face" feeling .
In this case it destroys the mood a bit , in other cases it wil be usefull if the subject is a bit farther away.
Also if you have auto whitebalance set to on then it should compensate for the yellow lights in the room and return a picture more adjusted to white light , so +1 for the nokia if that was the case.
Here's a sample comparison without flash.
I understand that with lightroom, and time spent, that one can probably get truly great photos out of this camera. But on the other hand, unlike the 1020, the pics out of the box are just meh. So in this case, its a good thing they made this a limited run, because most people will not go for this phone anyway. Also, they should have made it at least a 6.5 inch phone. The display is too small to truly appreciate the photos this thing can eventually take. The lag time for processing is excessive as one cannot edit a photo with a depth map unless one waits atleast 5-10 seconds.
Needless to say, the one that's darker is the Nokia.
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Here's a sample comparison without flash.
I understand that with lightroom, and time spent, that one can probably get truly great photos out of this camera. But on the other hand, unlike the 1020, the pics out of the box are just meh. So in this case, its a good thing they made this a limited run, because most people will not go for this phone anyway. Also, they should have made it at least a 6.5 inch phone. The display is too small to truly appreciate the photos this thing can eventually take. The lag time for processing is excessive as one cannot edit a photo with a depth map unless one waits atleast 5-10 seconds.
Needless to say, the one that's darker is the Nokia.
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to my eye, the iPhone one is more pleasing to the eye at first sight, due to the warm color balance and slightly upped saturation.
but if you look at the N9 one, the details and color of the cat fur is better preserved, as are the sharpness of the background, but maybe that's due to wrong focus.
So, if you want photos that looks good at first sight, go for iphone, but if you prefer details and dont mind doing post processing, keep the N9
Personally i post process everything i post anyway, so i prefer the N9
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Here's a sample comparison without flash.
I understand that with lightroom, and time spent, that one can probably get truly great photos out of this camera. But on the other hand, unlike the 1020, the pics out of the box are just meh. So in this case, its a good thing they made this a limited run, because most people will not go for this phone anyway. Also, they should have made it at least a 6.5 inch phone. The display is too small to truly appreciate the photos this thing can eventually take. The lag time for processing is excessive as one cannot edit a photo with a depth map unless one waits atleast 5-10 seconds.
Needless to say, the one that's darker is the Nokia.
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you might have a point there.
The multiple lenses and the ability to do post related work like blurring ect ... probably indicate that this is not really the best value for your money if your only going to do "point click and send" type of stuff.
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Here's a sample comparison without flash.
I understand that with lightroom, and time spent, that one can probably get truly great photos out of this camera. But on the other hand, unlike the 1020, the pics out of the box are just meh. So in this case, its a good thing they made this a limited run, because most people will not go for this phone anyway. Also, they should have made it at least a 6.5 inch phone. The display is too small to truly appreciate the photos this thing can eventually take. The lag time for processing is excessive as one cannot edit a photo with a depth map unless one waits atleast 5-10 seconds.
Needless to say, the one that's darker is the Nokia.
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Do you try to say that yellow photo is better ? - it is clearly worse one.
alinefx said:
Here's a sample comparison without flash.
I understand that with lightroom, and time spent, that one can probably get truly great photos out of this camera. But on the other hand, unlike the 1020, the pics out of the box are just meh. So in this case, its a good thing they made this a limited run, because most people will not go for this phone anyway. Also, they should have made it at least a 6.5 inch phone. The display is too small to truly appreciate the photos this thing can eventually take. The lag time for processing is excessive as one cannot edit a photo with a depth map unless one waits atleast 5-10 seconds.
Needless to say, the one that's darker is the Nokia.
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The iphone image is objectively much worse. Much less detail, much more noise, much lower dynamic range. Colour balance can be changed easily in LR (which is on the phone).
However, something definitely does appear to be amiss with low light images. They should be far, far better than they are if they're really stacking images / data from all 5 sensors. The XS Max is far worse than Samsung or Huawei's latest offerings, or the product of GCam in low light.
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The iphone image is objectively much worse. Much less detail, much more noise, much lower dynamic range. Colour balance can be changed easily in LR (which is on the phone).
However, something definitely does appear to be amiss with low light images. They should be far, far better than they are if they're really stacking images / data from all 5 sensors. The XS Max is far worse than Samsung or Huawei's latest offerings, or the product of GCam in low light.
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I'm pleased with most of the pictures posted in this discussion because of the amount of information captured and the balanced exposure. I agree that they aren't always as immediately appealing as other phones which step in to tinker with the images. But at the same time I appreciate the potential gains from having your images available in this format.
Having the option of automated processing would be nice for when you don't have time to play around in Lightroom. And they may do this through software. But seeing as they have already stated that their target audience is camera enthusiasts then they might leave it alone.
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At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the Nokia 9 PureView's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
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I own a P20 Pro , and while the night mode is a nice gimmick it's nothing more than that.
I much rather have the quality of the images under normal light that this nokia produces. And not the over processed jpg's and the unusable raw files that i get from my P20 Pro. Nightmode or not.
Very good when using Raw.
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At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the LG V30's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
I am coming from a Pixel 1 which had an excellant camera and so far I have not been let down at all. I wanted the manual controls and was pissed when the Pixel wouldn't let me keep the shutter open for more than a second, the v30 allows up to 30 seconds!!!
Here are some pictures I took tonight while at kings island. All the pictures were MUCH darker than what they look like here:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/fAG370lZHqqc8VVA3
https://photos.app.goo.gl/fAG370lZHqqc8VVA3
Most of the pictures show both the normal and wide camera. The ones on the table outside were at 9pm EST. It was pretty much pitch black out. And that's only at 20 second shutter speed. The garage shot is in complete darkness. The shots of Kings Island were on Auto
youtu*be/BZIOOdkscvQ
What do you mean 20sec shutter?
robamacaf said:
I am coming from a Pixel 1 which had an excellant camera and so far I have not been let down at all. I wanted the manual controls and was pissed when the Pixel wouldn't let me keep the shutter open for more than a second, the v30 allows up to 30 seconds!!!
Here are some pictures I took tonight while at kings island. All the pictures were MUCH darker than what they look like here:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/fAG370lZHqqc8VVA3
https://photos.app.goo.gl/fAG370lZHqqc8VVA3
Most of the pictures show both the normal and wide camera. The ones on the table outside were at 9pm EST. It was pretty much pitch black out. And that's only at 20 second shutter speed. The garage shot is in complete darkness. The shots of Kings Island were on Auto
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Pretty good 20 sec considering iso was at 800 but since aperture is 1.6 it's way to much light . I would lower iso to 50 and you could get away with even 10 sec exposure and cleaner photo . As for auto settings I only use it in broad day light . Once it gets dark you have to play with manual . It irritates me that people use auto mode at night and then complain how bad photos are . I don't care how much you paid for your camera ( Almost ) all cameras make bad decisions at night in auto mode .
I assume a tripod is mandatory with those extended shutter speeds. DIdnt even know this could be done on a phone. Nice!
I currently have the V20 and I am looking to upgrade to the V30, depending on how much the camera has improved. Manual mode which I love, is how I shoot all my shot. A tripod is required for even more than a second of shutter speeds. This was shot using the V20 with a stutter speed of 30 sec and a ND filter with a tripod.
Just took this low light photo at 1030 at night. You can easily see the Pleiades Cluster of stars right above the trees. 30 Second Shutter, 100 ISO (I believe, it might have been 50)
After doing some research I found out you can even see Andromeda Galaxy near the top center of the photo, it's the "blurry star"
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Just took this low light photo at 1030 at night. You can easily see the Pleiades Cluster of stars right above the trees. 30 Second Shutter, 100 ISO (I believe, it might have been 50)
After doing some research I found out you can even see Andromeda Galaxy near the top center of the photo, it's the "blurry star"
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That's pretty.... stellar! I couldn't help it. But really, that's amazing for coming from a cellphone camera. I'll have to give it a try. I have a photo idea on tap that needed a night sky shot. I was going to do it with a larger camera but I will have to try it with the phone so that I can have an all in phone shot.
So far, I've been extremely impressed with the main camera in low light most of the time. Once in a while there's a little bobble here and there but overall, really good stuff. I was able to shoot with it in an area I normally test larger cameras. The wide angle is far better than that on the V20. I even shot one shot in the museum that I later used for a composite. The V20 was a pretty good photo tool but the V30 is looking to be much better! I've already got a handful of shots with it that I really like.
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That's pretty.... stellar! I couldn't help it. But really, that's amazing for coming from a cellphone camera. I'll have to give it a try. I have a photo idea on tap that needed a night sky shot. I was going to do it with a larger camera but I will have to try it with the phone so that I can have an all in phone shot.
So far, I've been extremely impressed with the main camera in low light most of the time. Once in a while there's a little bobble here and there but overall, really good stuff. I was able to shoot with it in an area I normally test larger cameras. The wide angle is far better than that on the V20. I even shot one shot in the museum that I later used for a composite. The V20 was a pretty good photo tool but the V30 is looking to be much better! I've already got a handful of shots with it that I really like.
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The way I achieved it was the way most people with DSLR takes night photos. I had it propped up (Don't ever hand hold star photos) and took 7 pictures. I then used the free windows program Sequator which stacks the photos and compares the differences between the photos to remove noise. It only takes about 20 seconds to do it. Then WALA. The final picture came out about 22 meg in size and looked amazing. I want to go out to a place with less light bleed from the environment to take some but it might be a while
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I want to go out to a place with less light bleed from the environment to take some but it might be a while
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I might be able to test that tonight I'm heading into Joshua Tree to check out the meteor shower. I'll be doing most of my shooting on my DSLR but I'll grab a couple from the v30 as well. I don't have a cell phone tripod but I'll just lean it up against something.
I'll test both cameras. I'm expecting slightly better results from the wide angle than main camera just because the shorter focal length will allow for longer exposure without star trailing. but that f1.6 would let it some pretty decent light too. I'll try and update when I can with results, sometime this weekend!
Can someone upload some more pictures in LL please? I wish I could get some more samples with real environment. Could be outside and interior sceneries. Please give us some more.
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Can someone upload some more pictures in LL please? I wish I could get some more samples with real environment. Could be outside and interior sceneries. Please give us some more.
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Here's my V30 photos on Flickr so far:
https://flic.kr/s/aHsm4J9TWL
EXIF info is open for viewing for each shot. Anything shot in the museum or a performance setting is low light. (There is a "duplicate" which is a concept I was working on with one rough three minute job and the other a little more worked over.)
can somebody do a camera comparison with note8 and google pixel 2 xl? I want to buy v30 but not sure if camera is good enough
@CHH2 thx @serhiopinkoli I'm also wondering **** one to those of those two. I heard that camera sensor is really little in v30 and pixel aren't big that could be complicated in LL conditions. Sometimes can get his shot, sometimes not - depend on scene and software correction, that's how I thing. It's more sure to get more with bidet pixels in sensor and better software, but less mpix rich is also not to good now I've got 19 mpix with pixel size as v30 has about 1,12 and in the dark outs terrible also because of poor software and dark camera glass f=2.0. But I like it with good light conditions . Shots has far more details than note 8. So this 16 mpix in v30 really make me confused, if note had some more mpix it wasn't even a question.
That's why I also wanted some real live pictures. It was the best to get comparison.
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squo_85 said:
@CHH2 thx @serhiopinkoli I'm also wondering **** one to those of those two. I heard that camera sensor is really little in v30 and pixel aren't big that could be complicated in LL conditions. Sometimes can get his shot, sometimes not - depend on scene and software correction, that's how I thing. It's more sure to get more with bidet pixels in sensor and better software, but less mpix rich is also not to good now I've got 19 mpix with pixel size as v30 has about 1,12 and in the dark outs terrible also because of poor software and dark camera glass f=2.0. But I like it with good light conditions . Shots has far more details than note 8. So this 16 mpix in v30 really make me confused, if note had some more mpix it wasn't even a question.
That's why I also wanted some real live pictures. It was the best to get comparison.
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I was really worried about the smaller sensor also. So I was able to reach out to a contact at T-Mobile to arrange a no restocking fee purchase so I could test it out and if I didn't like it, return it. I was really worried it would be worse than the V20. Well, I'm keeping it. It's better than the V20. I still get a weird photo once in a while but a very large majority of the time, I'm really surprised at how well the V30 does. You won't be doing action shots at night. That's just not the realm of cellphones, that's why there are still massive DSLRs. I still have quite a bit of testing to do. I still want to shot a low light portrait as I'm looking for a certain characteristic that I've had to give up on DSLRs for smaller sensors still have.
@ CHH2,
WOW! Those V30 shots you have on Flickr are great. That pretty much put me in the 'Should I get the V30 camp", LOL, it seems a lot of people dont realize that LG offers a boat-load of camera options to use. I have looking around and wondering what cell phone to get and I love how the LG 30 looks as I dont really care for the Sammy thinner style at all. SO after seeing a lot of pros and negs reviews about the V30 I'm sure glad I saw your V30 photos, plus you know how to set up a camera so that helps too.
Finally on Oreo on yesterday, and while the camera was already good for low light, the new Bright Mode does an excellent job (IMO) - for those who do not want to fiddle around with Manual mode. Pretty much surprised, that a smaller sensor (than the competition), can pull off good low light pictures.
http://drtechnno.com/2018/05/10/lg-...e-camera-and-lg-v30-camera-app-in-oreo-build/
See my comparison with the Google camera app in Oreo. Hope it helps someone.
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I know it's not low light, but i am amazed at what this camera can do...
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
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A pretty decent photo quality, however if you do not use the "Vivid colours" your images can appear quite washed out.
I am excited about this
https://www.news.com.au/technology/...e/news-story/29aefcf847fb39e2e37a17c4bb3f9510
Okay - article pumps up the phone... but then LOOK at the PHOTO sample v the iphone...... why is it that bad? I don't want to go near this phone, if this is its output. Who do we trust though? All reviewers saying it is amaaaaazing... Reminds my how I got sucked into my last huawei - Nexus 6P
The hundred or so (seemingly that amount) of youtubers who got the free trip top London and the early release, or the mainstream media? Or what?
That image comparison though - can't get past it
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...That image comparison though - can't get past it
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Judging from the small images I would assume that the Mate 20 had bokeh-effect on, the flowers seems to be pretty sharp and focussed but the background looks delibarately out of focus.
photo quailty is insane check what i took
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=d0J2cnRLRWF6MDdqQXVHSHlPUHBRS3pYSVlxMW1R
nice little tip use night mode at day to get crazy HDR pictures like the one of the cars ^^
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photo quailty is insane check what i took
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=d0J2cnRLRWF6MDdqQXVHSHlPUHBRS3pYSVlxMW1R
nice little tip use night mode at day to get crazy HDR pictures like the one of the cars ^^
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your photos look lovely - however the photo's ive tried taking so far in my office etc look very poor quality, right now my oneplus3 is better! which firmware are you on? im on 108.. still haven't received tany updates yet
ooMoo said:
your photos look lovely - however the photo's ive tried taking so far in my office etc look very poor quality, right now my oneplus3 is better! which firmware are you on? im on 108.. still haven't received tany updates yet
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I'm on 122 and there were camera improvements as well as new camera features. I've found night mode to be inconsistent but when it works is glorious!
Coming from the p20 pro to this the seflie camera on the mate is terrible looks like we gone back a few years on the front camera almost makes it unusable for me...
Hi all,
I am on my third day of HM20 Pro.
Love it all and the photos sure, great
Have you guys tried to take photos from the messaging apps? Signal, message, whatsapp?
I cannot believe the... Worst quality ever!! Is there any config I am missing?
Just try it.. Send an MMS via the messaging (not taking the photo before, but actually from within the app) and let me know....
About to pack my new phone and return it....
Thanks for your comment!
The camera is awesome... Maybe not as good as the P20 Pro though at night time
i just stuck a Vodafone sim in for a few seconds to get the 122 update - camera is definitely a bit better! not had a chance to test much yet though, but from the few I have taken shots are appearing less grainy now.
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The camera is awesome... Maybe not as good as the P20 Pro though at night time
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I feel with software it will beat the p20p. So far I'm satisfied as it's leaps better than my 10p I sold.
Automaticmode by Fog
This phone camera is a complete missery!
I've switched from Samsung Galaxy S7 and completely disappointed. I feel like my S7 did better photos than Mate 20 Pro. Here is a list of issues (aside of Gluegate - which affected my phone).
Front camera:
- overexposes selfies in almost all conditions
- HDR mode is quirky and either doesn't make any difference or renders too flat results
- This silly toast "please hold camera steady whike your photo is sharpening" pops up almost all the time, regardless of light conditions
Rear camera
- HDR mode is just useless
- there is no "auto HDR" settings and switch HDR on is taking too many clicks
- and yet again... toast from hell "please hold camera steady whike your photo is sharpening"... THIS IS RIDICULOUS! Even in super bright conditions, where single lens camera would do perfectly well, Huawei asks me to hold my camera steady for 1 sec? Come on!
I really hope Huawei fixes all of that because it's a complete joke.
Good luck
From what i read it seems that Mate20pro is same as p20pro release and it will need few months before the software is actually as good as the hardware .
P20pro release was a disaster, photos looked like a cartoon .
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I've switched from Samsung Galaxy S7 and completely disappointed. I feel like my S7 did better photos than Mate 20 Pro. Here is a list of issues (aside of Gluegate - which affected my phone).
Front camera:
- overexposes selfies in almost all conditions
- HDR mode is quirky and either doesn't make any difference or renders too flat results
- This silly toast "please hold camera steady whike your photo is sharpening" pops up almost all the time, regardless of light conditions
Rear camera
- HDR mode is just useless
- there is no "auto HDR" settings and switch HDR on is taking too many clicks
- and yet again... toast from hell "please hold camera steady whike your photo is sharpening"... THIS IS RIDICULOUS! Even in super bright conditions, where single lens camera would do perfectly well, Huawei asks me to hold my camera steady for 1 sec? Come on!
I really hope Huawei fixes all of that because it's a complete joke.
Good luck
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Actually, I did some test with rear camera, multiframe stacking is always on in photo mode, so you have your auto HDR on all the time and that's probably why it asks to hold steady. I think it's merging 4 pictures.
The camera app is just too complicated, with different modes that do basically the same things.
It ends up being inconsistent when you leave everything on auto.
Sometimes it will be flat and washed out with no vignetting, other times it will have ton of constrast, oversatured colors and vignetting.
So now I did choose one mode and color parameter that consistently give results I like and stick with it.
This video night mode quality
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Danmike said:
Coming from the p20 pro to this the seflie camera on the mate is terrible looks like we gone back a few years on the front camera almost makes it unusable for me...
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Front camera is complete garbage imho
kai84m said:
Front camera is complete garbage imho
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Completly agree with this either the software is ruining it or just poor production ?
One big reason for getting the phone was the camera. I had the LG v30+ previously and I loved it for the ultrawide focal length. I'm glad that mate 20pro added this. I'm really enjoying the big sensor also. The dng files look great so far. The LG v30 always had grain/noise in the raw files at no matter what ISO. I'm not seeing the grain being so intrusive with the mate20pro
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I've been using the light L16 for a long while. I assume it would work the same. Images on the Pure View may render a bit slow "on device" , since it dosent have to be exported into lights Lumen software. I'll see once mines arrives though.
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I've been using the light L16 for a long while. I assume it would work the same. Images on the Pure View may render a bit slow "on device" , since it dosent have to be exported into lights Lumen software. I'll see once mines arrives though.
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Yes, with all the sensor data on it does take a while to merge all the image data. The amount of time varies based on the scene and detail.
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Yes, with all the sensor data on
it does take a while to merge all the image data. The amount of time varies based on the scene and detail.
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It's instant surprisingly, their software team has done a excellent job on that part. Even though it uses the SD820 and their custom ASIC together, everything works just fine. I'm sure with the SD845 and the ASIC chip, things would work much better on that device.
https://light.co/technology
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It's instant surprisingly, their software team has done a excellent job on that part. Even though it uses the SD820 and their custom ASIC together, everything works just fine. I'm sure with the SD845 and the ASIC chip, things would work much better on that device.
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I meant it takes a while on the Nokia 9 Pureview. I've had everywhere from about 4 seconds, up to 25ish seconds to process a photo.
As I'm eager to get my hands on this device mainly for the capabilities of the camera, is it possible for some of the lucky early owners to share a few RAW files.
At least two people here have it, and we don't have one real-life sample to check out.
I really can't believe there are no real and meaningful reviews for this phone...
here is a sample
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As I'm eager to get my hands on this device mainly for the capabilities of the camera, is it possible for some of the lucky early owners to share a few RAW files.
At least two people here have it, and we don't have one real-life sample to check out.
I really can't believe there are no real and meaningful reviews for this phone...
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Here's three in a wetransfer link. Too big to post DNGs on here. These have quite a bit of good depth data and were fun to edit. Didn't share my edits in this grouping though.
https://we.tl/b-AHQfp0iCcp
Thanks man, can I reuse the link and/or unedited exported with LR images on other forums, to shutdown some huawei fans
I'm amazed by the details, it is really good. Could you share some b/w dng's please? Huawei mate 9 with only one bw sensor took amazing shots , so I'm really curious at what the Nokia 9 can do
More dng samples please
Guys, can you please post more dng samples? outdoors for base iso, indoors for high iso? When I developed the dngs posted here, they are all quite great actually, even at iso 1600. That's the flowers shot. The same flower shot in jpg is quite oversharpened and noisy, with ugly artefacts, dark shadows and blown out highlights that are not present in the jpg. The subway shot is iso 1400, basically noise free. The doughnut shot is iso 208 and man, it is absolutely amazing in terms of both detail and noise. I think the bad quality you see in jpgs is simply bad processing by the nokia camera app. I think that this hardware is capable of great photos. Wondering if SNAP camera HDR app would work on this. Thanks!
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Guys, can you please post more dng samples? outdoors for base iso, indoors for high iso? When I developed the dngs posted here, they are all quite great actually, even at iso 1600. That's the flowers shot. The same flower shot in jpg is quite oversharpened and noisy, with ugly artefacts, dark shadows and blown out highlights that are not present in the jpg. The subway shot is iso 1400, basically noise free. The doughnut shot is iso 208 and man, it is absolutely amazing in terms of both detail and noise. I think the bad quality you see in jpgs is simply bad processing by the nokia camera app. I think that this hardware is capable of great photos. Wondering if SNAP camera HDR app would work on this. Thanks!
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I will try to add some tomorrow. Did some compare shots with the xz3 and a rx100 vi
https://we.tl/t-N9cRshSrlb
If people are interested I can do a bit more in depth comparison
I think the shadow recovery is amazing, almost no noise increase, and this on a phone.
1st photo supplied by @phunkyp , increased the brightness of the dark background in a raw editor.
But i think the general sharpness isn't the best compared with well lit single sensor photos, what do you think? For example in the samples of @stefanve those details in the trees just look strange somehow. But there is definatly a lot to play with in the editor (2nd photo by him). Yes its a bit much.
Here are a couple of extra test shots. 3 files per scene. DNG, JPG from the default camera app and one from the LR camera. The LR shot should be using only one of the 5 camera's so we can see the difference between one vs 5 camera's
https://we.tl/t-deZimhn8Sz
Personally I don't think that the camera has on point focus (maybe that is why they use very aggressive sharpening in de jpegs) but overall I think it is really good for a phone, lots of detail and light. This is one of the view phones (that I used) that gives me usable photo's the other one being the Lumia 950 XL and the Mate 9 (but only in b&w)
Is Lightroom not capable to get raw from the Nokia cam? That would be interesting to compare, Lightroom single Cam dng vs Lightroom HDR dng vs Nokia 5 cam dng.
No sadly , it is not possible to save the raw data with de LR camera app.
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Here are some pictures with Nokia 9. All photos was taken with Auto mode and someone with bokeh or monochrome with raw. I'm not a professional of photography
https://photos.app.goo.gl/56KAUxN8mWk78qfL6
Enviado desde mi MI 5s mediante Tapatalk
I took a few pictures and I am not a professional photographer either, but hope it will help you. Nice weekend
https://photos.app.goo.gl/kgqrWZcYMxRYKGxm9
I will be free from work tomorrow. Then I go outside with the children and take pictures with this phone. I will then place them in the same folder.
Love the monochrome mode.
So here comes a long post, sorry upfront
Being a professional (fashion) photographer, and personally a true lover of good photos and all that entails photo quality, the main thing I look for in a smartphone is the best possible camera. So after some reviews I decided to get the new Samsung S10+.
And I am not happy at all.
Problems:
1. There are only «natural» and «vivid» modes for the screen «calibration». Natural shows really flat tones and saturation, and vivid (with all the other adjustments) can't get anywhere close to render tones appropriately. It washes out all the highlights to blend them with those a bit darker - no depth; some colors pop out intensely (strong reds for example) while others don't match.
Along with that neither of the two modes helps to get the dark tones shown as dark as they really are, the shadows are always too bright, which adds to the washed out look of photos/low contrast.
This alone made me want to return it, until I figured out a way to make it better - by leaving it on Vivid, and turning on blue light filter on 0 - 15% opacity. Not sure why from the blue light filter, but the colors and white balance are all much more true this way than on either natural on vivid, and the contrast is better a bit, so I suggest you try it out
2. Software in the camera has an inexcusable bug (at least I hope it's a bug and it will be fixed with an update soon):
HDR is not selected, I take a photo, immediately go open it, get a spinning circle on the lower part of the screen for maybe a second, and the photo shifts in front of my eyes to an HDR kind of photo.. washes out all the highlights, pumps and fades the shadows, leaving really noticeable blotchy artifacts where there were shadows (being a professional photographer I spot that immediately, so maybe some of you haven't payed attention, but I promise you there are blotchy artifacts in brightened shadows on any S10+ camera). Obviously it does that via software in the second after the photo was taken, so you can notice it only if you open the photo from the camera app immediately after it was taken. If you continue shooting the same scene (same light), for the next immediate shot you won't see it changing, so it obviously remembers some «settings» it applies. Just mentioning this if you go try out, you can see that shift best while changing the scenes you take photos of (brighter, darker, etc).
SO - S10+ takes HDR photos, or makes HDR processing to photos, when HDR is not turned on!
And it does a lousy job at it, because the photos in general look really washed out - the are no whites, no blacks, no contrast or depth. They obviously look better on my calibrated desktop screen, because as I mentioned before, the screen on S10+ lacks in contrast of the shadows as well as in the photos, so putting those together - all the photos on S10+ screen look dull and without contrast. Other issue is that most of the times when I tried photographing the same scene with HDR on and HDR off, photos looked the same, and in some cases with HDR on it would do just a stronger HDR. Please, please, does anyone have any idea how to stop it from processing photos taken without HDR to make them look like I actually wanted that dullness?
P.s. today I did a test with Note9 and S9+, neither have that problem.
3. This is not just Samsung's problem, at least I know Huawei Mate 20Pro has the same problem - photo effects inside the camera and extra ones that you can get are so outdated that they are unusable. In today's world driven by instagram and all the apps for color «filters» (VSCO, Snapseed, etc), these on Samsung are prehistoric. I tried to find a way to make my own and load them somehow, but can't find a way. Any ideas?
4. Same scene photographed with S10+ is 3mb, and with my older Samsung S7 it's 4mb. How can that be? Why isn't there no more a setting in the camera app to choose resolution?
Looking forward to your thoughts! I love everything else about this phone, but can't stand those HDR photos from the get go, would hate to go return it just because of it..
Go to Camera, settings, save options, check if you have "HEIF pictures" enabled.
This is the same format iPhones use now if i'm not mistaken. This format saves the pictures in half size as compared to JPEG.
Unselect it and test new pictures if it improves to your picture taste.
Another option is to use GCAM (Google Camera) app. This app is directly from Google for the Pixel phones converted to use in our Galaxy S10 phones. You can get them here in XDA
HEIF pictures are not enabled.
I tried to find GCAM mod for Exynos S10+, but can't find one.. since you mentioned it, do you maybe know of one somewhere? Not sure if I'm missing something, new to XDA..
Thanks!
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So here comes a long post, sorry upfront
Being a professional (fashion) photographer, and personally a true lover of good photos and all that entails photo quality, the main thing I look for in a smartphone is the best possible camera. So after some reviews I decided to get the new Samsung S10+.
And I am not happy at all.
Problems:
1. There are only «natural» and «vivid» modes for the screen «calibration». Natural shows really flat tones and saturation, and vivid (with all the other adjustments) can't get anywhere close to render tones appropriately. It washes out all the highlights to blend them with those a bit darker - no depth; some colors pop out intensely (strong reds for example) while others don't match.
Along with that neither of the two modes helps to get the dark tones shown as dark as they really are, the shadows are always too bright, which adds to the washed out look of photos/low contrast.
This alone made me want to return it, until I figured out a way to make it better - by leaving it on Vivid, and turning on blue light filter on 0 - 15% opacity. Not sure why from the blue light filter, but the colors and white balance are all much more true this way than on either natural on vivid, and the contrast is better a bit, so I suggest you try it out
2. Software in the camera has an inexcusable bug (at least I hope it's a bug and it will be fixed with an update soon):
HDR is not selected, I take a photo, immediately go open it, get a spinning circle on the lower part of the screen for maybe a second, and the photo shifts in front of my eyes to an HDR kind of photo.. washes out all the highlights, pumps and fades the shadows, leaving really noticeable blotchy artifacts where there were shadows (being a professional photographer I spot that immediately, so maybe some of you haven't payed attention, but I promise you there are blotchy artifacts in brightened shadows on any S10+ camera). Obviously it does that via software in the second after the photo was taken, so you can notice it only if you open the photo from the camera app immediately after it was taken. If you continue shooting the same scene (same light), for the next immediate shot you won't see it changing, so it obviously remembers some «settings» it applies. Just mentioning this if you go try out, you can see that shift best while changing the scenes you take photos of (brighter, darker, etc).
SO - S10+ takes HDR photos, or makes HDR processing to photos, when HDR is not turned on!
And it does a lousy job at it, because the photos in general look really washed out - the are no whites, no blacks, no contrast or depth. They obviously look better on my calibrated desktop screen, because as I mentioned before, the screen on S10+ lacks in contrast of the shadows as well as in the photos, so putting those together - all the photos on S10+ screen look dull and without contrast. Other issue is that most of the times when I tried photographing the same scene with HDR on and HDR off, photos looked the same, and in some cases with HDR on it would do just a stronger HDR. Please, please, does anyone have any idea how to stop it from processing photos taken without HDR to make them look like I actually wanted that dullness?
P.s. today I did a test with Note9 and S9+, neither have that problem.
3. This is not just Samsung's problem, at least I know Huawei Mate 20Pro has the same problem - photo effects inside the camera and extra ones that you can get are so outdated that they are unusable. In today's world driven by instagram and all the apps for color «filters» (VSCO, Snapseed, etc), these on Samsung are prehistoric. I tried to find a way to make my own and load them somehow, but can't find a way. Any ideas?
4. Same scene photographed with S10+ is 3mb, and with my older Samsung S7 it's 4mb. How can that be? Why isn't there no more a setting in the camera app to choose resolution?
Looking forward to your thoughts! I love everything else about this phone, but can't stand those HDR photos from the get go, would hate to go return it just because of it..
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Pixel3
Mate20Pro
Yes, I have a S10.
Its the second one, the first was so bad with the screen and with the camera.
Se Second one is good in camera and very good in the screen.
But it not compares with my Mate20Pro in the camera.
Well, Pixel3 and Mate20Pro were definitely top choices along with S10+, shades decided.. I have a week left to return it and go for either of these two if I don't find a way to resolve this, or decide to play lottery by waiting on a software upgrade which would fix it. And that doesn't seem like a good idea..
What was wrong with the screen and camera of your first S10? Mine feels very wrong, my first instinct was to go exchange it, but then I tried out others in different stores and got the same thing with them concerning screen and camera :/ stunned it could be this awful.
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Well, Pixel3 and Mate20Pro were definitely top choices along with S10+, shades decided.. I have a week left to return it and go for either of these two if I don't find a way to resolve this, or decide to play lottery by waiting on a software upgrade which would fix it. And that doesn't seem like a good idea..
What was wrong with the screen and camera of your first S10? Mine feels very wrong, my first instinct was to go exchange it, but then I tried out others in different stores and got the same thing with them concerning screen and camera :/ stunned it could be this awful.
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my first S10 was updated and the camera was very bad.
The screen was dull, with low brightness comparing with my Mate20Pro.
This one didn't update an the camera is soo much good but the detail that my Mate20Pro captures its insane.
And the screen its top notch!
I think I will not update the software... for now..
For me, its a display problem. I looked at this photo comparing the XS and the S10 https:// photos5.appleinsider.com/gallery/30033-48976-iPhone-XS-Max-and-Samsung-Galaxy-S10-Plus-Human-Portrait-mode-l.jpg and compared it side to side from my s10 to my macbook and on the S10 its pale, like the guy is dead. What's the problem with the display?? I shouldnt have to activate color adjustment, no ?
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Just a heads up to everyone who has the S10. The color saturation of the screen even when Vivid is enabled doesn't display the saturation correctly... To fix this "enable blue light filter" and set it at the lowest possible then go back and look at a picture you will see how it is no longer washed out. I assume they are going to fix this in a future update. Cheers ?
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For me, its a display problem. I looked at this photo comparing the XS and the S10 https:// photos5.appleinsider.com/gallery/30033-48976-iPhone-XS-Max-and-Samsung-Galaxy-S10-Plus-Human-Portrait-mode-l.jpg and compared it side to side from my s10 to my macbook and on the S10 its pale, like the guy is dead. What's the problem with the display?? I shouldnt have to activate color adjustment, no ?
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Turn on Blue Light Filter and set the effect to minimum. This will correct the "dull" look and restore the full color saturation
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Well, Pixel3 and Mate20Pro were definitely top choices along with S10+, shades decided.. I have a week left to return it and go for either of these two if I don't find a way to resolve this, or decide to play lottery by waiting on a software upgrade which would fix it. And that doesn't seem like a good idea..
What was wrong with the screen and camera of your first S10? Mine feels very wrong, my first instinct was to go exchange it, but then I tried out others in different stores and got the same thing with them concerning screen and camera :/ stunned it could be this awful.
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Turn on Blue light filter and set the effect to minimum, then go and check the color saturation ? I'm sure they will be fixing this in a future update.
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Turn on Blue light filter and set the effect to minimum, then go and check the color saturation I'm sure they will be fixing this in a future update.
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I wrote in my original post that the best you can get out of this screen is by turning on blue light at minimum; managed to find that, helps at least 80%. But the camera HDR shadowless dimensionless photos - worst software processing of any Samsung phone up to date. I have 5 days to return it for full amount, so I'll do that, don't want to take chances on waiting for that update if it even comes.. Then I'll just wait a bit for either them to fix it and I buy it again (I am only sad to leave the superior battery and wide angle camera, that's it) or wait for a new Huawei or Pixel to see what they're up to.
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Turn on Blue light filter and set the effect to minimum, then go and check the color saturation I'm sure they will be fixing this in a future update.
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Thank you so much!!! You made my day guys!
Professional photographer yet you don't know about HEIF?
As a professional fashion photographer you should also know that you shouldn't rely on what the picture looks like on the display because many different factors come into play. Some displays and brighter than others just like some are for saturated. As long as you know that you're lighting and exposure is correct you should be fine.
On another note you can also save a raw file of the image.
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As a professional fashion photographer you should also know that you shouldn't rely on what the picture looks like on the display because many different factors come into play. Some displays and brighter than others just like some are for saturated. As long as you know that you're lighting and exposure is correct you should be fine.
On another note you can also save a raw file of the image.
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Professional photographer yet you don't know about HEIF?
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@Corv0:
how can HEIF help me with lousy color and luminosity rendering (screen problem) and bad software processing (camera problem)?
@-Alan: maybe you should read my first post again? I already wrote that the screen on S10+ is poorly calibrated (no really dark tones = bad contrast, color shift, natural and vivid modes are both awful, blue light filter on low opacity saves it mostly, still not good enough compared to most other phone screens I used); and that photos look a bit better contrast wise on my calibrated desktop screen. That doesn't make it ok if I use a lousy screen on my phone all the time and look at photos on it which are miles away from saying "yeah, I know amoled phone screen can't be anywhere close to my Eizo but it's good enough for a phone".
There will always be compromises, but this is too big of a compromise if everything looks awful on the screen of a phone I use extensively every day.
That goes for the screen, and then there is the added problem of bad processing of photos from the camera, which I can't counteract on except shooting everything raw. So when you mention being ok with knowing the exposure is ok - for everyday use of phone camera I will never shoot anything in RAW because that would require spending extra hours and hours to postprocess everything on my own to usable jpegs, which is not why raw is there in phones in the first place. Camera in a phone like this should give you good enough starting point of their jpeg processing so you don't need to do it on your own to make it look ok for everyday stuff. This one doesn't. And if it forces users to shoot everything in RAW to make it look ok, that's a huge fail. On any professional SLR camera you will shoot RAW when it's important or desired to get the look of a jpeg better than the one the camera processes, but you can rely on mostly any SLR camera to give you a decent jpeg if your exposure is ok (shutter speed, aperture, WB, focus, ISO). S10+ simply does not produce a good enough jpeg to start with when the exposure is ok, because it processes that jpeg as a lousy HDR when HDR is off, and by lousy I mean shadowless, flat, wihout any depth and dimension. That is not my problem while taking photos (exposure wise), it's a software problem.
Well then either wait for updates or change phone Mr Photographer, I personally dont agree with you at any point so I can't provide any help either.
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Well then either wait for updates or change phone Mr Photographer, I personally dont agree with you at any point so I can't provide any help either.
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Lousy puns with no merit, but ok. Still didn't get a reply from you - how does HEIF help anything I outlined as issues on this phone? This MRS Photographer doesn't know so I'd be happy if you could enlighten me? Thanks.
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Lousy puns with no merit, but ok. Still didn't get a reply from you - how does HEIF help anything I outlined as issues on this phone? This MRS Photographer doesn't know so I'd be happy if you could enlighten me? Thanks.
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I never said HEIF is supposed to help anything.
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4. Same scene photographed with S10+ is 3mb, and with my older Samsung S7 it's 4mb. How can that be? Why isn't there no more a setting in the camera app to choose resolution?
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Just pointing out how this stupid question contradicts the rest of your boasting around, you should have studied that in your course.
But yes, you can change resolution by changing aspect ratio in the main interface, there's absolutely no other reason to provide multiple resolutions besides for ratio testing, if you are so worried about size you can digitally reduce the resolution in the post-processing phase.
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I never said HEIF is supposed to help anything.
Just pointing out how this stupid question contradicts the rest of your boasting around, you should have studied that in your course.
But yes, you can change resolution by changing aspect ratio in the main interface, there's absolutely no other reason to provide multiple resolutions besides for ratio testing, if you are so worried about size you can digitally reduce the resolution in the post-processing phase.
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You are really trolling me here.. first you write "Professional photographer yet you don't know about HEIF?", than I ask what you meant by that since I never mentioned HEIF anywhere, besides answering a question of another poster if it was turned on maybe, and the answer was no. HEIF has no influence on any problem I wrote of. Trolling.
As for the resolution, it hardly underestimates my profession or knowledge, which, I assure you is vast on matters like this. Older Samsung phones had a choice between two resolutions for the same aspect ratio (for example 4:3 in Samsung S7 you can choose 12M, or 6.2M; for 16:9 9.1M or 3.7M etc.). On S10+ there is only one resolution for 4:3 or any ratio, and its low.
So I still see no merit to your undermining my knowledge in what I do professionally, except to troll or just be rude.
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You are really trolling me here.. first you write "Professional photographer yet you don't know about HEIF?", than I ask what you meant by that since I never mentioned HEIF anywhere, besides answering a question of another poster if it was turned on maybe, and the answer was no. HEIF has no influence on any problem I wrote of. Trolling.
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Boy, HEIF is why files of the same resolution and scene occupy less space, other users already explained that, you need to engage a few more brain cells before calling trolls.
No need to be hostile because you failed to prove yourself, move on with your life.
At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the Huawei P40 Pro's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Any experience regarding blur when capturing moving objects (pets, kids, people) indoor?
For me p40 pro doing night photos like a beast.
For low light shots, using normal "photo" mode seems better than using night mode. Example in attachments. First shot is night mode, second is photo mode.
I think night mode is better when you have a tripod. Although I havent tried that.
EDIT: After further testing, I think it really depends on the situation. In some situations, night mode will produce better shots. In others, it will produce worse shots than normal photo mode. So, just in case, always take at least two photos. One in photo mode, one in night mode.
Just a small low light comparison with Huawei Mate 20 Pro. Night mode used on both devices. As you can see on the photo taken with the Mate 20 Pro, the text "co engineered with Leica" isn't as clear as on the pic taken with P40 Pro. Huawei keeps improving their night mode, it's actually very impressive. ?
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I do. A lot of pictures failed due do this. I expected a bit more from this phone on this point.
regarding low light, i had a few reviewers taking pictures in pitch darkness, yet the image comes out well. Just a point and shoot. is that in an update or its just fake? cause i have tried it, does not work
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I do. A lot of pictures failed due do this. I expected a bit more from this phone on this point.
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In that case, you need to expect a bit more from the fundamental laws of physics and optics.
Three approaches to low-light photos with a fixed aperture:
1) High ISO and short exposure - grainy pictures. The higher the ISO, the uglier the photo. Same with digital zoom, a real pestilence of modern times and death sentence of just any photo.
2) Low ISO and long exposure - in-motion unsharpness.
3) Multiple pictures taken with different ISO and exposure settings, "stacking".
That's it, eat or die. :/
Same with all digital cameras. There's no workaround to defy the laws of physics.
There's only one approach to taking low-light photos with a short exposure, thus being able to avoid in-motion unsharpness: High ISO, thus grainy pictures.
Taking high quality photos under bad lighting conditions always requires long exposures. And long exposures naturally cannot catch quick motions.
Okay, there's algorithms. But the worse the picture, the more the algorithms need to "guess". And guessing means "not knowing". Thus it's a kind of lottery if your low-light pictures showing moving objects turn out acceptable or bad.
If they're acceptable, be happy.
If they're bad, blame it on physics.
You are right about physics. Still there are difference between cameras/phones regarding blur. Pixel phones generally seem to capture movement better than, say galaxy phones. There has to be an acceptable weighting to faster shutter speeds, even if you end up with some grain. Its easier to fix grain afterwards than a light-trail-resembling face.
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You are right about physics. Still there are difference between cameras/phones regarding blur. Pixel phones generally seem to capture movement better than, say galaxy phones. There has to be an acceptable weighting to faster shutter speeds, even if you end up with some grain. Its easier to fix grain afterwards than a light-trail-resembling face.
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You've got four options:
1) Use the Night mode, which will take several pictures with different ISOs and exposures, will then stack the pictures taken to achieve a kind of HDR picture for low-light purposes. Drawback: Not suitable for motion.
2) Use the regular Photo mode, which will try to get a sound balance of ISO and exposure, then use proprietary algorithms for making the best out of the mess taken.
3) Try the Pro mode, which allows you to set ISO, exposure and exposure value compensation ("EV", for brighening/darkening the photo a bit further) with less algorithms wreaking havoc on the picture. That way, you can experiment with the effects of different parameters like ISO and exposure time.
4) Use the Pro mode, but save the picture as a RAW file. It will look horrible without all the manipulations of the software algorithms. - Then grab a good PC tool for "developing" and postprocessing the RAW image. That way, you might be able to achieve better results because you bring in the "human factor", yourself, taking care of the things you prefer, not the software.
If you're heavily into catching quick movements, you need to force your P40 Pro into using short exposure times, then play with the other parameters to achieve a sound balance.
Two great PC tools for picture postprocessing:
1) "Luminar 4" by Skylum - this is your choice if you're new to image processing, don't wish to spend months with learning. That software gives you almost instant success with creating pleasant pictures.
2) "Affinity Photo" by Serif - that's your choice if you are an old-stager of image processing, and/or willing to spend weeks or months with the real steep learning curve of that software. It's the "swiss army knife" of everything out there. Utmost capable, can do just everything. But as said: Takes ages to master.
Both tools are massively supported by YouTube videos and tutorials, there's no evil subscription bondage as with Adobe, just give it a try.
I can almost guarantee you won't regret spending a few bucks - as postprocessing is one of the key factors for creating stunning images.
But I need to repeat: If you're new to this matter, go for Luminar, not for Affinity.
Additional note on that: As Huawei doesn't use the standard Bayer sensor matrix, RYYB instead of the "classic" RGGB, you might need to wait for the developers to implement some special algorithms/camera profiles dealing with that to achive real outstanding results. I did not try, yet, maybe it's okay already.
Each phone and camera and camera software has it's benefits and drawbacks. Some work great in a specific situation, less great in others. Plus, there's the "moment momentum": Exactly the same scene might result in a great or an ugly picture, slightest changes of lighting, field of view (affecting exposure metering and more) or temperature (sensor temperature is a common source of picture noise) might cause a mighty difference. It's just a bit unpredictable, no hardware/software combination is able to deal with each and every challenge, for each benefit you usually pay with a drawback.
Just like with everything in live.
Great post, thanks is given?Yes, one can achieve good results, even with less expencive mobile camera phones, if you are willing to invest time and work. The lack of HDR in pro mode, for instance is a big handicap when developing pictures yourself. Blown out highligts, as an example, cant be brought back if the data is not there. But again, great tips and workarounds for getting the best out of what you have!
jericho246 said:
For low light shots, using normal "photo" mode seems better than using night mode. Example in attachments. First shot is night mode, second is photo mode.
I think night mode is better when you have a tripod. Although I havent tried that.
EDIT: After further testing, I think it really depends on the situation. In some situations, night mode will produce better shots. In others, it will produce worse shots than normal photo mode. So, just in case, always take at least two photos. One in photo mode, one in night mode.
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i´m agree with you, the normal photo mode es better than the night mode
Normal night mode without settings vs 100 iso (normal night mode)..
Ricardo_G said:
i´m agree with you, the normal photo mode es better than the night mode
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I don't agree fully.
Both modes work a totally different way - normal mode taking just one picture, night mode taking several pictures and combining ("stacking") them into one.
Thus both modes have their own usage scenarios, with the normal mode suitable for taking pictures in "medium" low light, night mode being able to take picture in almost completely dark environments.
You can also "abuse" the night mode for taking pictures of computer screens without that nagging moiré effect.
So both modes are specialists in their field, allowing you to choose the one best suited for different situations, with both of them having their own benefits and drawbacks.