At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the LG V30's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
I am coming from a Pixel 1 which had an excellant camera and so far I have not been let down at all. I wanted the manual controls and was pissed when the Pixel wouldn't let me keep the shutter open for more than a second, the v30 allows up to 30 seconds!!!
Here are some pictures I took tonight while at kings island. All the pictures were MUCH darker than what they look like here:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/fAG370lZHqqc8VVA3
https://photos.app.goo.gl/fAG370lZHqqc8VVA3
Most of the pictures show both the normal and wide camera. The ones on the table outside were at 9pm EST. It was pretty much pitch black out. And that's only at 20 second shutter speed. The garage shot is in complete darkness. The shots of Kings Island were on Auto
youtu*be/BZIOOdkscvQ
What do you mean 20sec shutter?
robamacaf said:
I am coming from a Pixel 1 which had an excellant camera and so far I have not been let down at all. I wanted the manual controls and was pissed when the Pixel wouldn't let me keep the shutter open for more than a second, the v30 allows up to 30 seconds!!!
Here are some pictures I took tonight while at kings island. All the pictures were MUCH darker than what they look like here:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/fAG370lZHqqc8VVA3
https://photos.app.goo.gl/fAG370lZHqqc8VVA3
Most of the pictures show both the normal and wide camera. The ones on the table outside were at 9pm EST. It was pretty much pitch black out. And that's only at 20 second shutter speed. The garage shot is in complete darkness. The shots of Kings Island were on Auto
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Pretty good 20 sec considering iso was at 800 but since aperture is 1.6 it's way to much light . I would lower iso to 50 and you could get away with even 10 sec exposure and cleaner photo . As for auto settings I only use it in broad day light . Once it gets dark you have to play with manual . It irritates me that people use auto mode at night and then complain how bad photos are . I don't care how much you paid for your camera ( Almost ) all cameras make bad decisions at night in auto mode .
I assume a tripod is mandatory with those extended shutter speeds. DIdnt even know this could be done on a phone. Nice!
I currently have the V20 and I am looking to upgrade to the V30, depending on how much the camera has improved. Manual mode which I love, is how I shoot all my shot. A tripod is required for even more than a second of shutter speeds. This was shot using the V20 with a stutter speed of 30 sec and a ND filter with a tripod.
Just took this low light photo at 1030 at night. You can easily see the Pleiades Cluster of stars right above the trees. 30 Second Shutter, 100 ISO (I believe, it might have been 50)
After doing some research I found out you can even see Andromeda Galaxy near the top center of the photo, it's the "blurry star"
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Just took this low light photo at 1030 at night. You can easily see the Pleiades Cluster of stars right above the trees. 30 Second Shutter, 100 ISO (I believe, it might have been 50)
After doing some research I found out you can even see Andromeda Galaxy near the top center of the photo, it's the "blurry star"
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That's pretty.... stellar! I couldn't help it. But really, that's amazing for coming from a cellphone camera. I'll have to give it a try. I have a photo idea on tap that needed a night sky shot. I was going to do it with a larger camera but I will have to try it with the phone so that I can have an all in phone shot.
So far, I've been extremely impressed with the main camera in low light most of the time. Once in a while there's a little bobble here and there but overall, really good stuff. I was able to shoot with it in an area I normally test larger cameras. The wide angle is far better than that on the V20. I even shot one shot in the museum that I later used for a composite. The V20 was a pretty good photo tool but the V30 is looking to be much better! I've already got a handful of shots with it that I really like.
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That's pretty.... stellar! I couldn't help it. But really, that's amazing for coming from a cellphone camera. I'll have to give it a try. I have a photo idea on tap that needed a night sky shot. I was going to do it with a larger camera but I will have to try it with the phone so that I can have an all in phone shot.
So far, I've been extremely impressed with the main camera in low light most of the time. Once in a while there's a little bobble here and there but overall, really good stuff. I was able to shoot with it in an area I normally test larger cameras. The wide angle is far better than that on the V20. I even shot one shot in the museum that I later used for a composite. The V20 was a pretty good photo tool but the V30 is looking to be much better! I've already got a handful of shots with it that I really like.
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The way I achieved it was the way most people with DSLR takes night photos. I had it propped up (Don't ever hand hold star photos) and took 7 pictures. I then used the free windows program Sequator which stacks the photos and compares the differences between the photos to remove noise. It only takes about 20 seconds to do it. Then WALA. The final picture came out about 22 meg in size and looked amazing. I want to go out to a place with less light bleed from the environment to take some but it might be a while
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I want to go out to a place with less light bleed from the environment to take some but it might be a while
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I might be able to test that tonight I'm heading into Joshua Tree to check out the meteor shower. I'll be doing most of my shooting on my DSLR but I'll grab a couple from the v30 as well. I don't have a cell phone tripod but I'll just lean it up against something.
I'll test both cameras. I'm expecting slightly better results from the wide angle than main camera just because the shorter focal length will allow for longer exposure without star trailing. but that f1.6 would let it some pretty decent light too. I'll try and update when I can with results, sometime this weekend!
Can someone upload some more pictures in LL please? I wish I could get some more samples with real environment. Could be outside and interior sceneries. Please give us some more.
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Can someone upload some more pictures in LL please? I wish I could get some more samples with real environment. Could be outside and interior sceneries. Please give us some more.
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Here's my V30 photos on Flickr so far:
https://flic.kr/s/aHsm4J9TWL
EXIF info is open for viewing for each shot. Anything shot in the museum or a performance setting is low light. (There is a "duplicate" which is a concept I was working on with one rough three minute job and the other a little more worked over.)
can somebody do a camera comparison with note8 and google pixel 2 xl? I want to buy v30 but not sure if camera is good enough
@CHH2 thx @serhiopinkoli I'm also wondering **** one to those of those two. I heard that camera sensor is really little in v30 and pixel aren't big that could be complicated in LL conditions. Sometimes can get his shot, sometimes not - depend on scene and software correction, that's how I thing. It's more sure to get more with bidet pixels in sensor and better software, but less mpix rich is also not to good now I've got 19 mpix with pixel size as v30 has about 1,12 and in the dark outs terrible also because of poor software and dark camera glass f=2.0. But I like it with good light conditions . Shots has far more details than note 8. So this 16 mpix in v30 really make me confused, if note had some more mpix it wasn't even a question.
That's why I also wanted some real live pictures. It was the best to get comparison.
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@CHH2 thx @serhiopinkoli I'm also wondering **** one to those of those two. I heard that camera sensor is really little in v30 and pixel aren't big that could be complicated in LL conditions. Sometimes can get his shot, sometimes not - depend on scene and software correction, that's how I thing. It's more sure to get more with bidet pixels in sensor and better software, but less mpix rich is also not to good now I've got 19 mpix with pixel size as v30 has about 1,12 and in the dark outs terrible also because of poor software and dark camera glass f=2.0. But I like it with good light conditions . Shots has far more details than note 8. So this 16 mpix in v30 really make me confused, if note had some more mpix it wasn't even a question.
That's why I also wanted some real live pictures. It was the best to get comparison.
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I was really worried about the smaller sensor also. So I was able to reach out to a contact at T-Mobile to arrange a no restocking fee purchase so I could test it out and if I didn't like it, return it. I was really worried it would be worse than the V20. Well, I'm keeping it. It's better than the V20. I still get a weird photo once in a while but a very large majority of the time, I'm really surprised at how well the V30 does. You won't be doing action shots at night. That's just not the realm of cellphones, that's why there are still massive DSLRs. I still have quite a bit of testing to do. I still want to shot a low light portrait as I'm looking for a certain characteristic that I've had to give up on DSLRs for smaller sensors still have.
@ CHH2,
WOW! Those V30 shots you have on Flickr are great. That pretty much put me in the 'Should I get the V30 camp", LOL, it seems a lot of people dont realize that LG offers a boat-load of camera options to use. I have looking around and wondering what cell phone to get and I love how the LG 30 looks as I dont really care for the Sammy thinner style at all. SO after seeing a lot of pros and negs reviews about the V30 I'm sure glad I saw your V30 photos, plus you know how to set up a camera so that helps too.
Finally on Oreo on yesterday, and while the camera was already good for low light, the new Bright Mode does an excellent job (IMO) - for those who do not want to fiddle around with Manual mode. Pretty much surprised, that a smaller sensor (than the competition), can pull off good low light pictures.
http://drtechnno.com/2018/05/10/lg-...e-camera-and-lg-v30-camera-app-in-oreo-build/
See my comparison with the Google camera app in Oreo. Hope it helps someone.
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I know it's not low light, but i am amazed at what this camera can do...
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I Really got frustrated by how they review cameras in web sites.
Although am not a photographer but atleast i know the basics and photography is my hobby.
First if all; What made me write (type!) This post because i noticed that many maanyyy dont know how to deal with this beast inside ?
So i have owned every well made camera phone till i settled with the one. I used the 808 pureview the N8 S3 and S4 also the Note2 so the pris and cons for each i passed through till am satisfied now with the One.
So first what is UltraPixel. Its a big sized pixel 2 micron which allow it to be able capturing more light than usual. Just for comparison the iphone5s pixel size is 1.5 micron (was adv. As super light sensitive)
Pixels and sensor size are directly proportional the bigger size of both the better light performance. So basically more megapixels (13) with the same sensor size mostly used (1/3") means smaller pixel size so lower light sensitivety and more noisy capture.
Most phone makers to get bright low light pics they raise the iso. Raising iso really gives more bright image but with more noise. So the right formula is to long expose the sensor to more light with bigger pixel size to get the perfect shot.
The draw back is the long exposure the slower shutter so the more blurred pics you have.
Htc added optical image stabilizer to compensate for hand shakes during longer exposure time to get blur free pics.
So Htc One is getting very near to the perfect formula a bigger pixel size (but same small sensor) with ois and some how longer exposures to get a better low light performance.
So why didnt they put a larger sensor with more pixel and join the megapixel race? The point is a big camera bump at the back as the 808pv or lumia1020 which ruins the beauty of the phone.
Htc one went for fewer pixel to allow a bigger size on the same thin and small sensor adequate for cellphone.
This very long introduction was mandatory just for everyone to know what to read when comparing cell phone camera spec.
F 2.0 means wider basically wider aperature to receive light so faster capture. So now we have a device with
Ultra big pixel f2.0 and ois
With my trials with the one to get the best pic i found that it works best with touch to focus
So just touch the area you want the phone to focus then tab the shutter button.
I found that the phone uses a matrix or centre focus metering mode by default. So you may find your self getting a very bright over exposed pic. Just touch to where you want and the metering mode will turn to Spot meter mode. Example is the lamp pic. First the phone used a centre weighted metering mode but to spot the lamp i touch to focus the lamp and its clear now.
The htc one flash is amazing. Its the only flash i used in phones that preserve the human skin tine perfectly not blue washed as samsungs or yellow washed as iphones. Try it and u will be amazed.
The flash is very strong really strong u may say double the S4 power! It never failed me. (But no near to xenon)
The Night mode in the htc one apply longer exposure time and lowers the iso to get a perfect clear bright night shot. The only draw back is u have to be steady even with the ois and be sure to touch focus on what you want and notice the focus. .. once it locked correctly press the shutter.
There is also l0ck af/exposure feature. Long press on area and the phone will lock the focus and exposure so you can talk dramatic nice shots!
The htc one captures videos @60 fps i dont know why all reviewers dont mention it while they mention it say for the note3 as a premium feature! The htc one captures 720p @60fps thats a very fluid hd video recording try it.
I like how they decided to go 720p instead of the 1080p for the @60fps cause the file size for the 1080p will be amazingly huge that u may find your self filling your 32gb version in alittle period if time.
The hd recording is just fine plenty of details and balanced video file size.
So the point is touch to focus then the shutter.
In video mode the focus is locked so to not let the phone hunts for focus every now and then. But if u want to let hunt for focus turn this feature off (not recommended in low light)
ironically the reviewers when comparing with other phones the point the device to focus during video comparison and sure its locked by default then they say mmm... Failed to focus bad camera ??
Other reviewers take a shot in dim conditions and say mmm.... The one didnt light up the scene as phone x.. . Thats because pointing the phone into bright direct point turns to spot metering it and dims the scene down ... ?? why you dont just touch focus and see the magic! I dont know!
Here is some pics i clicked hope u like it. Feel free to correct/add any part ?
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All Default / Just touch to focus Once locked perfectly i tab the capture.
The Boat/Moon photos are Night Mode with touch to focus (5 trials were made to get the perfect focus)
Another perfect shots are found in the other thread of sharing the one photos.
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You forgot to mention all the people with defective (or so we would hope) cameras. Some issues include: Purple tint in the picture, noise, inability of the camera to focus in dim settings, inability of the camera to focus at long distances, inability to focus on one side of the picture, inability to stabilize etc.
Moral of the story: if you are extremely lucky, you can get your hands on a perfect One and you'll have a great camera. For the rest of us, nothing has changed.
And does it record at 60 fps by default? I thought you had to select Fast HD from the settings for that.
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You forgot to mention all the people with defective (or so we would hope) cameras. Some issues include: Purple tint in the picture, noise, inability of the camera to focus in dim settings, inability of the camera to focus at long distances, inability to focus on one side of the picture, inability to stabilize etc.
Moral of the story: if you are extremely lucky, you can get your hands on a perfect One and you'll have a great camera. For the rest of us, nothing has changed.
And does it record at 60 fps by default? I thought you had to select Fast HD from the settings for that.
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the camera sure will not focus in pitch black cause due to the lack of auto-focus assist light
and yes in very dim conditions it takes many trials about 5 times to get the perfect focus point.
up in the boat pics my previous S4 failed to focus. it focused only after many trials on the moon.
Sometimes it focus automatic but you will have to re-focus again by touch focus. thats too in all cameras. All this issues in dim conditions not in bright light.
the purple tint i saw some sadly affected with it and heard that in the rolling out update 4.3 will be fixed. And yes my screen turns Red when i cover the lens with my hand.
No the 60fps isn't default but its very nice to have it specially in sporty occasions that needs fast buttery smooth HandyCam video recording
Fast HD (60 FPS 720p) is not enabled by default.
My thoughts?
IMO HTC One has a great macro shot capability. It also has an amazing HDR capturing ability. Using it during low light conditions also sometimes gives amazing shots. Everything else for me is decent.
is your camera settings set to default or customized some ?
Nokiacrazi said:
Fast HD (60 FPS 720p) is not enabled by default.
My thoughts?
IMO HTC One has a great macro shot capability. It also has an amazing HDR capturing ability. Using it during low light conditions also sometimes gives amazing shots. Everything else for me is decent.
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yes .. you are totally right. one guy made a light paint with the hdr mode at night
Nightf0x_007 said:
is your camera settings set to default or customized some ?
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All Default / Just touch to focus Once locked perfectly i tab the capture.
The Boat/Moon photos are Night Mode with touch to focus (5 trials were made to get the perfect focus)
ashouhdy said:
the camera sure will not focus in pitch black cause due to the lack of auto-focus assist light
and yes in very dim conditions it takes many trials about 5 times to get the perfect focus point.
up in the boat pics my previous S4 failed to focus. it focused only after many trials on the moon.
Sometimes it focus automatic but you will have to re-focus again by touch focus. thats too in all cameras. All this issues in dim conditions not in bright light.
the purple tint i saw some sadly affected with it and heard that in the rolling out update 4.3 will be fixed. And yes my screen turns Red when i cover the lens with my hand.
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Browski, I'm not exactly sure if you're trying to insult me, but it's not going to work. I realize that no camera will focus when there is no light. I'm saying that my camera, once in a while, simply refuses to focus, even though the lighting is somewhat decent. I'm not saying that you are lying or wrong. I'm just saying that it's apparent that not all One's created equal and therefore not everyone will be able to get the same experience as you did.
People in the Taiwan forums and those with dev editions have confirmed that the 4.3 update doesn't fix the camera tint problem. Go figure.
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Browski, I'm not exactly sure if you're trying to insult me, but it's not going to work. I realize that no camera will focus when there is no light. I'm saying that my camera, once in a while, simply refuses to focus, even though the lighting is somewhat decent. I'm not saying that you are lying or wrong. I'm just saying that it's apparent that not all One's created equal and therefore not everyone will be able to get the same experience as you did.
People in the Taiwan forums and those with dev editions have confirmed that the 4.3 update doesn't fix the camera tint problem. Go figure.
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Hey! Why should i insult you or even be rude! We r just discussing a simple point dont get the point wrong here.
Am sad you got a defective unit i think u should return it if the tint bother you alot.
Other people here in xda confirmed the purple issue gone after the 4.3 update ... I will get u the link.
Wish you best of luck. And i didnt made the thread to say that the purple tint is user fault am just trying to help other users with a simple info or trick for better photography.
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Here u are
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=
The issue with the purple tint is the camera software telling the camera to crank up the ISO and exposure automatically.
It's possible to keep the photo ISO down and there's no purple tint. But when recording video there are no manual settings options other than changing the resolution. Cinedroid sort of allows you to manually override the exposure level but the ISO is still maxed out so the image is underexposed but the purple tint remains and the image doesn't look anywhere near the way it should look as if it was a photo.
So a software update should be able to fix it.
Is it hard for htc to turn on this assist light while AFing? Its ridiculous
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Is it hard for htc to turn on this assist light while AFing? Its ridiculous
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Yeah, that would save lots of problems.
There is a workaround but it takes too much time.
What's that mate?
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To get rid of the purple try adding contrast to the photo. +2 will end it completely
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What's that mate?
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Start video recording , hold on the spot you want to picture so you lock the focus then turn off recording and snap the photo ( remember don't touch anything after stopping the recording ) keep in mind this can mess things up sometimes and make super bright photos.
Here's one tip for far flash photos :
Increase exposure , if you use max exposure you better be 10/15 meters from the target , flash is very powerful with increased exposure , especially if using max , it performs like it has xenon.
If using max exposure + max contrast you better be 20+ meters away it's even more powerful.
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Shan89 said:
Start video recording , hold on the spot you want to picture so you lock the focus then turn off recording and snap the photo ( remember don't touch anything after stopping the recording ) keep in mind this can mess things up sometimes and make super bright photos.
Here's one tip for far flash photos :
Increase exposure , if you use max exposure you better be 10/15 meters from the target , flash is very powerful with increased exposure , especially if using max , it performs like it has xenon.
If using max exposure + max contrast you better be 20+ meters away it's even more powerful.
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I will try it but i guess will be noisy and over exposed.
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Here is a simple comparison from my x-phone the Nokia 808 pv vs htc one at the same places. old pic found on my flickr account when i had the 808 ... photobucket links for larger resolution. i dont believe in the cropping thing and comparing minute pixels. i believe in the overall picture apperance as i view them on my monitor !
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s445/ashouhdy/1003833_Fotor_Collagevs2_Fotor_zpsf5225095.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s445/ashouhdy/10k_Fotor_Collagevs1_Fotor_zps77461877.jpg
Is it so difficult for a developer to make a tweak to give us flash when touch to focus? This is the biggest problem of the camera in my opinion as I never had purple tint
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Is it hard for htc to turn on this assist light while AFing? Its ridiculous
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Corduroy-21 said:
Yeah, that would save lots of problems.
There is a workaround but it takes too much time.
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Is it so difficult for a developer to make a tweak to give us flash when touch to focus? This is the biggest problem of the camera in my opinion as I never had purple tint
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me too is wondering what prevented them from adding the led focus assisst in low light. it already fire before focusing !
To switch to Night mode video capture. Just choose Night Mode then tab the video capture
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http://www.gsmarena.com/iphone_6s_galaxy_s6_xperia_z5-review-1329p2.php
Xperia Z5 took top honors, and the ranking look more like the Dxomark ranking
I honestly dunno how the Z5 managed to win. The whole contest was stacked against it. I didn't have to look at the pics to know that it wasn't gonna do well using the 23 MP mode in low light (gah!).
But the worst part was the flower pic on the balcony. The Z5's FOV was so large, it detected it as a low light outdoor scene, rather than a photo of flowers. How can they run a "blind" test when the pics are so different that one camera will detect it as a different scene?!?
Based on the GSMArena and Android Authority (not-so-)blind tests, I still don't have a clear understanding when SA will act flaky. I don't believe it's a lack of OIS because if it were, the 6S would have suffer from the same problem. Bad focusing algorithm under certain conditions? Not correctly detecting landscape scenes with close objects?
@joe_dude, SA has received some interesting changes - it's too shy to use high ISO now lol
Check out these two, not my best efforts as I had to shoot with both hands
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/22325128049/in/album-72157659529471088/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/21889222884/in/album-72157659529471088/
Now that it's too shy to go for high ISO, let's take a took at these three. One of my goals was to capture that logo (please excuse the mess) that no other phone could do it for me so far
Z3+ detected this as low-light, shot at ISO 4000 & got its job done without breaking any sweat.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/21889541194/in/album-72157659529471088/
So I pulled out Z5, SA detected some motion & selected 'night scene' & gave me this!!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/22324812888/in/datetaken/
By then SA figured out things have stabilized, a tripod sign showed up right below the 'night scene' icon & I got this
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/22499088172/in/datetaken/
Finally, I realized that the sucker was set to 20mp (I'd never use that for indoor/evening/night or even day shots). Anyways, Z5's key strength is color & you can't rush in SA mode. Stabilize your hands & wait for that tripod to show up & then shoot if you want to use that night scene selected by SA.
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@joe_dude, SA has received some interesting changes - it's too shy to use high ISO now lol
Check out these two, not my best efforts as I had to shoot with both hands
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/22325128049/in/album-72157659529471088/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/21889222884/in/album-72157659529471088/
Now that it's too shy to go for high ISO, let's take a took at these three. One of my goals was to capture that logo (please excuse the mess) that no other phone could do it for me so far
Z3+ detected this as low-light, shot at ISO 4000 & got its job done without breaking any sweat.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/21889541194/in/album-72157659529471088/
So I pulled out Z5, SA detected some motion & selected 'night scene' & gave me this!!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/22324812888/in/datetaken/
By then SA figured out things have stabilized, a tripod sign showed up right below the 'night scene' icon & I got this
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/22499088172/in/datetaken/
Finally, I realized that the sucker was set to 20mp (I'd never use that for indoor/evening/night or even day shots). Anyways, Z5's key strength is color & you can't rush in SA mode. Stabilize your hands & wait for that tripod to show up & then shoot if you want to use that night scene selected by SA.
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Thanks a lot! After looking at your pics, I also went back to Tim's 20 MP vs. 8 MP comparison pics.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/22126137922/in/photostream/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/21515893794/in/photostream/
If you look at the EXIF info, they both used the same shutter speed, but the 8 MP used a higher ISO. Better exposure and less noise, so 8 MP mode is better for low light, as Tim has shown. Tim also waited for the tripod symbol for his 20 MP night shots.
So my question is this: Does the tripod symbol show up for non-night scenes? Like in moderate to bright light? It seems to me the Z5 has two AF modes - fast vs. slow AF. Fast AF is super fast, but only good for capturing a specific subject (and tends to blur the background). Slow AF does full scene analysis and takes longer. It would explain why people are getting such wildly varying results with the Z5.
Anyone wanna test and see? Please?
I don't remember seeing tripod symbol in any non-night mode. Tim's 20mp was done in tripod night mode? The ISO seems a bit high though (ET also seems smaller). It looks more like a regular night mode. But I could be wrong. Tripod mode basically drops ISO, increases ET even more (the max I have seen so far is 1/1 s) compared to 'regular' night scene as you could see from my last two EXIFs . I'd have to do a 20mp vs 8mp comparison soon. Z5's SA is quite different than the SA we had on previous Xperias!
Edit: I forgot about the brightness slider in new SA mode. It lets you control the ISO - well, indirectly.
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I don't remember seeing tripod symbol in any non-night mode. Tim's 20mp was done in tripod night mode? The ISO seems a bit high though (ET also seems smaller). It looks more like a regular night mode. But I could be wrong. Tripod mode basically drops ISO, increases ET even more (the max I have seen so far is 1/1 s) compared to 'regular' night scene as you could see from my last two EXIFs . I'd have to do a 20mp vs 8mp comparison soon. Z5's SA is quite different than the SA we had on previous Xperias!
Edit: I forgot about the brightness slider in new SA mode. It lets you control the ISO - well, indirectly.
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Sorry, you're right. There's is only one pic in Tim's collection that activated tripod mode (in 8 MP SA) I believe, and it had an exposure time of 0.8 sec. From the various pics I've seen, it seems the limit for SA is 1/8 sec without the tripod icon. I hope Tim's reading this. Something new to play with! :victory:
Still not sure why some pics from various reviews have AF problems in moderate to good lighting. Are there any extra icons that pop up after a short time when it gets a solid "lock" on a scene?
Edit: Wait a minute... is there a landscape icon that pops up in SA during scenery shots?
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Sorry, you're right. There's is only one pic in Tim's collection that activated tripod mode (in 8 MP SA) I believe, and it had an exposure time of 0.8 sec. From the various pics I've seen, it seems the limit for SA is 1/8 sec without the tripod icon. I hope Tim's reading this. Something new to play with! :victory:
Still not sure why some pics from various reviews have AF problems in moderate to good lighting. Are there any extra icons that pop up after a short time when it gets a solid "lock" on a scene?
Edit: Wait a minute... is there a landscape icon that pops up in SA during scenery shots?
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Only extra icon beside the tripod (mutually exclusive) is a runner icon. It basically means SA is 'busy' trying to find out a suitable scene mode. So if it's not there, I think we got the 'lock' lol
SA Landscape mode has some icon (same as the one you'd get from manual -> scene -> landscape) , but it rarely shows up lol Actually I haven't seen any icon at all
while taking most of the daylight shots. I think SA doesn't want to tell you much proly because it feels confident in those cases lol
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Only extra icon beside the tripod (mutually exclusive) is a runner icon. It basically means SA is 'busy' trying to find out a suitable scene mode. So if it's not there, I think we got the 'lock' lol
SA Landscape mode has some icon (same as the one you'd get from manual -> scene -> landscape) , but it rarely shows up lol Actually I haven't seen any icon at all
while taking most of the daylight shots. I think SA doesn't want to tell you much proly because it feels confident in those cases lol
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Hmmm... those are the same icons as on my Z Ultra. The runner means it detects movement, I believe. It takes a few seconds to go into night mode, and tripod icon needs something to brace against to appear. So how quickly/easily does the night mode and tripod icon appear?
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Hmmm... those are the same icons as on my Z Ultra. The runner means it detects movement, I believe. It takes a few seconds to go into night mode, and tripod icon needs something to brace against to appear. So how quickly/easily does the night mode and tripod icon appear?
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Man, ZU & Camera. It's my favorite Xperia though. It was also the phone that forced me explore manual mode
I think there is another runner icon (without two white bars) that appears during the mode selection. I think it means 'busy' ? On Z2, I mostly get 'only tripod' SA mode. The one I was talking about is NS + tripod (or low-light + tripod). I don't think you'll get it right after opening the camera (proly because of the mandatory initial movement). It's not that hard to get it right before the next shot though - around 1 second or less. I do apply mild downward force from both index fingers & upward one from left thumb. My hands are not super steady, so I think anyone can do it after few trials. But remember the longer ET, so I think tripod may backfire at times hehe
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Man, ZU & Camera. It's my favorite Xperia though. It was also the phone that forced me explore manual mode
I think there is another runner icon (without two white bars) that appears during the mode selection. I think it means 'busy' ? On Z2, I mostly get 'only tripod' SA mode. The one I was talking about is NS + tripod (or low-light + tripod). I don't think you'll get it right after opening the camera (proly because of the mandatory initial movement). It's not that hard to get it right before the next shot though - around 1 second or less. I do apply mild downward force from both index fingers & upward one from left thumb. My hands are not super steady, so I think anyone can do it after few trials. But remember the longer ET, so I think tripod may backfire at times hehe
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Yeah, I think the ZU was the best phone of all time (when it came out). On light use, I've gotten 4 to 5 days out of it on a single charge. And Kitkat 4.4 and Lollipop 5.1.1 have been rock solid. If there were a Z5 Ultra (or Z6 Ultra), I'd get it in a heartbeat.
Anyway, I should be able to do some testing with the Z5 and a G4 shortly (yea!), but I don't have a lot of free time, so I'm gonna try to grab a bunch of shots and analyze them later. Oh well, RL comes first.
Hope to see the update which will bring proper software to the table, Specially low light performances. Cause sensor is really good yet the software, specially SA doesn't do a great job.
P.S: I really hope one of these great Dev come up with an idea to use the camera beyond Sony could expect it so they can hire him or just use that software.
Like this one. Never tested but thought of giving it a shot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony-themes-apps/mod-xperia-camera-unlocked-t3071161
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Hope to see the update which will bring proper software to the table, Specially low light performances. Cause sensor is really good yet the software, specially SA doesn't do a great job.
P.S: I really hope one of these great Dev come up with an idea to use the camera beyond Sony could expect it so they can hire him or just use that software.
Like this one. Never tested but thought of giving it a shot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony-themes-apps/mod-xperia-camera-unlocked-t3071161
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Yeah, a fully unlocked camera would be really cool. Well, for us geeks anyway. I think Sony's simplified manual modes are still not simple enough for the average consumer. But that's a problem with the average consumer, not the phone. xD
As for low light performance, let's see how it does in comparisons using the default 8 MP SA. Even if the tests don't adjust for its 24mm lens, I think it'll do a lot better than in 23 MP mode.
If things go well I might have my Z5 next week.
And do some proper testing with Z5 and Z2 which I know really well since I have it for over 1,5 years.
I should do a proper comparison. All the questions will be answered.
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I honestly dunno how the Z5 managed to win. The whole contest was stacked against it. I didn't have to look at the pics to know that it wasn't gonna do well using the 23 MP mode in low light (gah!).
But the worst part was the flower pic on the balcony. The Z5's FOV was so large, it detected it as a low light outdoor scene, rather than a photo of flowers. How can they run a "blind" test when the pics are so different that one camera will detect it as a different scene?!?
Based on the GSMArena and Android Authority (not-so-)blind tests, I still don't have a clear understanding when SA will act flaky. I don't believe it's a lack of OIS because if it were, the 6S would have suffer from the same problem. Bad focusing algorithm under certain conditions? Not correctly detecting landscape scenes with close objects?
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Please read the whole review clearly. The flower test was going to test the flash system not other things, S6 LED flash is very well designed confirmed by all other reviews. In reality, 99% of smartphone users are using Auto so they just let all shot with Auto which is a reasonable testing method though I understand it is unbelievable to some xda members here.
There's no review against Sony I've seen on net regarding the question of fov because we are testing the whole camera module now, not solely the sensor raw performance, or else we'll also need to take out the OIS on S6 bcoz it's unfair to Z5. The fov on Z5 is wider but it also got many more pixel counts while S6 got a smaller fov with 16MP and the same happened on 6S as well, it is a fair race.
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Please read the whole review clearly. The flower test was going to test the flash system not other things, S6 LED flash is very well designed confirmed by all other reviews. In reality, 99% of smartphone users are using Auto so they just let all shot with Auto which is a reasonable testing method though I understand it is unbelievable to some xda members here.
There's no review against Sony I've seen on net regarding the question of fov because we are testing the whole camera module now, not solely the sensor raw performance, or else we'll also need to take out the OIS on S6 bcoz it's unfair to Z5. The fov on Z5 is wider but it also got many more pixel counts while S6 got a smaller fov with 16MP and the same happened on 6S as well, it is a fair race.
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There is lots of incompentence in reviews regarding the camera. He is right regarding FOV as that affects how the camera measures what is in focus. Due to the wider FOV of the Z5 it put focus on the background which took up more sensor space than the flowers. This resulted in upping ISO to combat dark environment. Also becouse the Z5 has wider FOV the photos has to be taken a bit closer else they need to zoom in the Z5 photo (disadvantage for Z5) and something several tests do and it is not professional.
Look at this, this is photos from a comparision at Phonearena which provided unmodified full resolution photos of all cameras. I have downscaled the 23MP Z5 image to 16MP to be same as G4 and S6 and also changed the aspect ratio. You can clearly se the concept of how wider FOV provides unfair advantage to competition but with same aspect and same MP size you can see the Z5 races well against the G4 and S6 unlike what the OP of this thread showed which was the zoomed in Z5 vs the competitions non zoomed in view. That's why most reviews and comparisions with the Z1+ range phones gives the competition an unfair advantage which doesn't translate to real world detail as you downscale the image for given media you use or just as is.
First photo is Z5 (1/64 ISO 80), second S6 (1/33 ISO 80) and third G4 (1/30 ISO 100). I wonder though why the Z5 didn't choose shutter speed of around 1/30 to get a more lit up capture.. Guess they need to iron that out with updates or some kind of anti shaking mechanism kicked in making shutter faster.
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There is lots of incompentence in reviews regarding the camera. He is right regarding FOV as that affects how the camera measures what is in focus. Due to the wider FOV of the Z5 it put focus on the background which took up more sensor space than the flowers. This resulted in upping ISO to combat dark environment. Also becouse the Z5 has wider FOV the photos has to be taken a bit closer else they need to zoom in the Z5 photo (disadvantage for Z5) and something several tests do and it is not professional.
Look at this, this is photos from a comparision at Phonearena which provided unmodified full resolution photos of all cameras. I have downscaled the 23MP Z5 image to 16MP to be same as G4 and S6 and also changed the aspect ratio. You can clearly se the concept of how wider FOV provides unfair advantage to competition but with same aspect and same MP size you can see the Z5 races well against the G4 and S6 unlike what the OP of this thread showed which was the zoomed in Z5 vs the competitions non zoomed in view. That's why most reviews and comparisions with the Z1+ range phones gives the competition an unfair advantage which doesn't translate to real world detail as you downscale the image for given media you use or just as is.
First photo is Z5 (1/64 ISO 80), second S6 (1/33 ISO 80) and third G4 (1/30 ISO 100). I wonder though why the Z5 didn't choose shutter speed of around 1/30 to get a more lit up capture.. Guess they need to iron that out with updates or some kind of anti shaking mechanism kicked in making shutter faster.
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I gonna repeat it again. The S6 flash system is excellent so it is actually the S6 flashed the object beautifully(6S also performed correctly just not as nice as S6). On the other hand, though I don't deny the wider fov might be a bit affected to the detecting of environment but from the flash lighting it spreading out, it is clearly the flash system on Z5 doesn't come close to S6.
Though the Z5 got wider fov but it also got more pixels plus bigger sensor size to fullfill the wider scene so you can't just said that they are all not fair to Sony. If you put it in this way, it would be unfair to Samsung or Apple turned out this time.
Reviewers(and customers) are only interested to test the whole camera module because it is a final product. They are not engineers to test individual parts and theirs raw performance.
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/11/02/samsung-in-talks-with-sony-for-new-galaxy-s7-camera-sensor/
It is funny how Samsung is now trying to deal with Sony to put the Z5 sensor(IMX300) on the upcoming S7.
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I gonna repeat it again. The S6 flash system is excellent so it is actually the S6 flashed the object beautifully(6S also performed correctly just not as nice as S6). On the other hand, though I don't deny the wider fov might be a bit affected to the detecting of environment but from the flash lighting it spreading out, it is clearly the flash system on Z5 doesn't come close to S6.
Though the Z5 got wider fov but it also got more pixels plus bigger sensor size to fullfill the wider scene so you can't just said that they are all not fair to Sony. If you put it in this way, it would be unfair to Samsung or Apple turned out this time.
Reviewers(and customers) are only interested to test the whole camera module because it is a final product. They are not engineers to test individual parts and theirs raw performance.
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/11/02/samsung-in-talks-with-sony-for-new-galaxy-s7-camera-sensor/
It is funny how Samsung is now trying to deal with Sony to put the Z5 sensor(IMX300) on the upcoming S7.
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Yeah, I just read that too. It'll be interesting to see if Sony gives Samsung the new sensor, and what Samsung can do with it.
In any case, the Z5's flash is rated better by DXOMark than the S6. So it was obvious that the GSMArena's flowers flash test had some kind of problem. I mean just look at the pic - the Z5's pic was mostly of the night sky, while the S6 and 6S were mainly on the flowers. Because they didn't consider the FOV and framed the shot incorrectly, the Z5 detected it as a night scenery pic with flash fill, not a flash pic of flowers. There are examples from other reviews that show the Z5's flash working well and as expected.
Reviewers are expected to understand and be knowledgeable about the product they are reviewing. Would you ever buy a car magazine where the reviewers don't know what kind of engine is in the car, or how much gas it uses? Reviews that give false, misleading and/or incomplete information are bad for everyone.
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First photo is Z5 (1/64 ISO 80), second S6 (1/33 ISO 80) and third G4 (1/30 ISO 100). I wonder though why the Z5 didn't choose shutter speed of around 1/30 to get a more lit up capture.. Guess they need to iron that out with updates or some kind of anti shaking mechanism kicked in making shutter faster.
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The ISO part, I can answer, since I've tested it. SA uses face detection (or moving objects) to prevent motion blur. Whenever the "people" icon appears on screen, the ISO and/or shutter speed goes up. I dunno if Sony really needs to do that, but I guess sometimes a usable shot is better than a blurred shot...? SA constantly fiddles with the exposure time, depending on the objects/movements it detects. So far, I haven't gotten pics with bad lighting though. Maybe it was fixed in the latest firmware?
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The ISO part, I can answer, since I've tested it. SA uses face detection (or moving objects) to prevent motion blur. Whenever the "people" icon appears on screen, the ISO and/or shutter speed goes up. I dunno if Sony really needs to do that, but I guess sometimes a usable shot is better than a blurred shot...? SA constantly fiddles with the exposure time, depending on the objects/movements it detects. So far, I haven't gotten pics with bad lighting though. Maybe it was fixed in the latest firmware?
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Ah that explains it and no I dont believe they need to as it seems way to aggressive. Also this would mean the photo was taken in SA 23MP mode. In such conditions manual would be far better.
Have you gotten around testing the FV-5 app? I get 'Night Mode' equivalent with it at 21MP which makes for great low light 'high detail' photos. Works great and it handles the shutter speed and ISO in a good balanced way. This sample is 21MP, 0,77, ISO 250 at night on the Z1 with FV-5 "Long" mode holding it fairly stable with my hands and elbows on the table.
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Yeah, I just read that too. It'll be interesting to see if Sony gives Samsung the new sensor, and what Samsung can do with it.
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I'm going to buy Z5c today(not sure, but most probably, if I could find a cheaper one for sales) and let me see how well the camera. Actually, I think it is worthless to discuss the camera before any big updates.
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Ah that explains it and no I dont believe they need to as it seems way to aggressive. Also this would mean the photo was taken in SA 23MP mode. In such conditions manual would be far better.
Have you gotten around testing the FV-5 app? I get 'Night Mode' equivalent with it at 21MP which makes for great low light 'high detail' photos. Works great and it handles the shutter speed and ISO in a good balanced way. This sample is 21MP, 0,77, ISO 250 at night on the Z1 with FV-5 "Long" mode holding it fairly stable with my hands and elbows on the table.
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No, I'm still playing with SA. As much as I want to fiddle with the camera, I'm gonna have to cut the experimenting short to get back to other RL things. Sigh. But thanks for the suggestion... I'll keep in mind!
FYI, I did more analysis on the IFA photo you had posted. Believe it or not, I think the Z5 was correct with the exposure. Look closely at the pics - in the other two pics, the model was over-exposed. In the Z5 pic, she had a nicely balanced colour and brightness. The other phones did not do face detection, so measured the exposure based on the entire frame, and not on the model. Since the pic was primarily of the model, the Z5 took the picture as it had been intended.
This is part of the problem - we assume if the Z5's pic looks different, it is "incorrect". I'm starting to understand SA tries to do a lot, although sometimes it will guess incorrectly. But I think Sony needs to tweak SA to work better/more consistently.
At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the LG V30's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Really sucks!
Santa Monica pier from 300+ yards away you can leave your own thoughts. Mind you hand held no tripod or anything. Yes 100% daytime photos are better but still for what it is. Amazing. 2nd shot is using the pop out feature that I love.
Please note the 4 lane freeway sign is even decently clear.
Lol good.
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it's really bad. judge for yourself:
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First one is LG V30 and the second is my old HTC 10
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it's really bad. judge for yourself:
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First one is LG V30 and the second is my old HTC 10
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Looks like you are on wide angle mate ☺ it does not have the upper hand when it comes down to low light
I LOVE IT
Just took this low light photo at 1030 at night. You can easily see the Pleiades Cluster of stars right above the trees. 30 Second Shutter, 100 ISO (I believe, it might have been 50)
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it's really bad. judge for yourself:
First one is LG V30 and the second is my old HTC 10
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its not the camera. Its Bayern münchen!! :laugh:
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First one is LG V30 and the second is my old HTC 10
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How can anyone take you seriously after that...
It's obvious that the pic is taken with the wide angle camera instead of the regular one.
Did a thread cleanup. Please, if you are an actual reviewer and own the device participate in this thread.
Back on topic.
Took my first shot last night with my brand new Nov 17 built 933 with the only light being the glow from the TV on one side (TV screen is out of the shot) and a little light glow from the light on in another room on the other side and it was amazing, I couldn't be happier. Quick focus, great pick, sharp considering and surprising colors.
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Took my first shot last night with my brand new Nov 17 built 933 with the only light being the glow from the TV on one side (TV screen is out of the shot) and a little light glow from the light on in another room on the other side and it was amazing, I couldn't be happier. Quick focus, great pick, sharp considering and surprising colors.
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Ye right. Then post it to proof that.
I also took in absolutely dark and it was amazing black...
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Regardless of optical material, improved aperture, or better controls and software modes... The camera on this phone is terrible for this price point. Side by side, my LG G4 and LG G5 performs comparably (and even favorably) in most, if not all, conditions compared to the V30. The front face ING camera is especially terrible.
I really WANT to love this phone, but the terrible camera is INEXCUSABLE. My wife's Note 8 and my LG G5 (another hunk of junk that had a terrible screen and a body that destroys itself with the battery door under normal usage) both have better camera's than this thing, SPECIFICATIONS BE DAMNED.
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Ye right. Then post it to proof that.
I also took in absolutely dark and it was amazing black...
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I don't post content on sites unless they provide the hosting for it, i.e. allow me to upload an image.
Use a Google Cam port - low light pics are 100x better
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You can attach an image to a post on XDA. I do it all the time.
This phone is just terrible in low light. Way too much noise and lacks detail.
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Just as an fyi I create albums on facebook and link the photos here.
Auto mode, unedited. I think it is too bright as the actual scene was way darker. Still, pretty good.
Unedited. I think this photo is a bit too bright as the actual scene was way darker. Still pretty good.
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
A pretty decent photo quality, however if you do not use the "Vivid colours" your images can appear quite washed out.
I am excited about this
https://www.news.com.au/technology/...e/news-story/29aefcf847fb39e2e37a17c4bb3f9510
Okay - article pumps up the phone... but then LOOK at the PHOTO sample v the iphone...... why is it that bad? I don't want to go near this phone, if this is its output. Who do we trust though? All reviewers saying it is amaaaaazing... Reminds my how I got sucked into my last huawei - Nexus 6P
The hundred or so (seemingly that amount) of youtubers who got the free trip top London and the early release, or the mainstream media? Or what?
That image comparison though - can't get past it
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...That image comparison though - can't get past it
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Judging from the small images I would assume that the Mate 20 had bokeh-effect on, the flowers seems to be pretty sharp and focussed but the background looks delibarately out of focus.
photo quailty is insane check what i took
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=d0J2cnRLRWF6MDdqQXVHSHlPUHBRS3pYSVlxMW1R
nice little tip use night mode at day to get crazy HDR pictures like the one of the cars ^^
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photo quailty is insane check what i took
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=d0J2cnRLRWF6MDdqQXVHSHlPUHBRS3pYSVlxMW1R
nice little tip use night mode at day to get crazy HDR pictures like the one of the cars ^^
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your photos look lovely - however the photo's ive tried taking so far in my office etc look very poor quality, right now my oneplus3 is better! which firmware are you on? im on 108.. still haven't received tany updates yet
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your photos look lovely - however the photo's ive tried taking so far in my office etc look very poor quality, right now my oneplus3 is better! which firmware are you on? im on 108.. still haven't received tany updates yet
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I'm on 122 and there were camera improvements as well as new camera features. I've found night mode to be inconsistent but when it works is glorious!
Coming from the p20 pro to this the seflie camera on the mate is terrible looks like we gone back a few years on the front camera almost makes it unusable for me...
Hi all,
I am on my third day of HM20 Pro.
Love it all and the photos sure, great
Have you guys tried to take photos from the messaging apps? Signal, message, whatsapp?
I cannot believe the... Worst quality ever!! Is there any config I am missing?
Just try it.. Send an MMS via the messaging (not taking the photo before, but actually from within the app) and let me know....
About to pack my new phone and return it....
Thanks for your comment!
The camera is awesome... Maybe not as good as the P20 Pro though at night time
i just stuck a Vodafone sim in for a few seconds to get the 122 update - camera is definitely a bit better! not had a chance to test much yet though, but from the few I have taken shots are appearing less grainy now.
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The camera is awesome... Maybe not as good as the P20 Pro though at night time
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I feel with software it will beat the p20p. So far I'm satisfied as it's leaps better than my 10p I sold.
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This phone camera is a complete missery!
I've switched from Samsung Galaxy S7 and completely disappointed. I feel like my S7 did better photos than Mate 20 Pro. Here is a list of issues (aside of Gluegate - which affected my phone).
Front camera:
- overexposes selfies in almost all conditions
- HDR mode is quirky and either doesn't make any difference or renders too flat results
- This silly toast "please hold camera steady whike your photo is sharpening" pops up almost all the time, regardless of light conditions
Rear camera
- HDR mode is just useless
- there is no "auto HDR" settings and switch HDR on is taking too many clicks
- and yet again... toast from hell "please hold camera steady whike your photo is sharpening"... THIS IS RIDICULOUS! Even in super bright conditions, where single lens camera would do perfectly well, Huawei asks me to hold my camera steady for 1 sec? Come on!
I really hope Huawei fixes all of that because it's a complete joke.
Good luck
From what i read it seems that Mate20pro is same as p20pro release and it will need few months before the software is actually as good as the hardware .
P20pro release was a disaster, photos looked like a cartoon .
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I've switched from Samsung Galaxy S7 and completely disappointed. I feel like my S7 did better photos than Mate 20 Pro. Here is a list of issues (aside of Gluegate - which affected my phone).
Front camera:
- overexposes selfies in almost all conditions
- HDR mode is quirky and either doesn't make any difference or renders too flat results
- This silly toast "please hold camera steady whike your photo is sharpening" pops up almost all the time, regardless of light conditions
Rear camera
- HDR mode is just useless
- there is no "auto HDR" settings and switch HDR on is taking too many clicks
- and yet again... toast from hell "please hold camera steady whike your photo is sharpening"... THIS IS RIDICULOUS! Even in super bright conditions, where single lens camera would do perfectly well, Huawei asks me to hold my camera steady for 1 sec? Come on!
I really hope Huawei fixes all of that because it's a complete joke.
Good luck
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Actually, I did some test with rear camera, multiframe stacking is always on in photo mode, so you have your auto HDR on all the time and that's probably why it asks to hold steady. I think it's merging 4 pictures.
The camera app is just too complicated, with different modes that do basically the same things.
It ends up being inconsistent when you leave everything on auto.
Sometimes it will be flat and washed out with no vignetting, other times it will have ton of constrast, oversatured colors and vignetting.
So now I did choose one mode and color parameter that consistently give results I like and stick with it.
This video night mode quality
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Coming from the p20 pro to this the seflie camera on the mate is terrible looks like we gone back a few years on the front camera almost makes it unusable for me...
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Front camera is complete garbage imho
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Front camera is complete garbage imho
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Completly agree with this either the software is ruining it or just poor production ?
One big reason for getting the phone was the camera. I had the LG v30+ previously and I loved it for the ultrawide focal length. I'm glad that mate 20pro added this. I'm really enjoying the big sensor also. The dng files look great so far. The LG v30 always had grain/noise in the raw files at no matter what ISO. I'm not seeing the grain being so intrusive with the mate20pro
At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the Nokia 9 PureView's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
This is the area that I most confused about. They say that it lets 10x more light in than other phones, but the low light is not better than my Pixel 2 without Night Sight, let alone when I turn Night Sight on. It gets good results if you can do a longer exposure but in very low light to no light, this phone is not performing well for me.
Yup it couldn't beat an iPhone XS Max with just point and click. Might actually return this one. Darker grainier image is the Nokia. Lumia 1020 beats this one. Sorry.
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Yup it couldn't beat an iPhone XS Max with just point and click. Might actually return this one. Darker grainier image is the Nokia. Lumia 1020 beats this one. Sorry.
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And does it have night mode?
I agree. Basically lo light is rubbish.
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Yup it couldn't beat an iPhone XS Max with just point and click. Might actually return this one. Darker grainier image is the Nokia. Lumia 1020 beats this one. Sorry.
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If that's the best it can do in low light, I'm cancelling my pre-order.
Looking at photos, honestly it looks like the extra cameras are only used in raw shots. I think it's a really bad decision for that, but that's how it appears to me.
See the screenshots attached. Darker image is 'point and shoot'. Brighter image is raw of the same shot.
Edit for Google Drive link. DNG and original JPG are in there. Screenshots of both as well, in case you don't want it check the DNG file.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1-3ocYSlKpKW1gqi_ybGJOw1hEGo2jf0C
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Looking at photos, honestly it looks like the extra cameras are only used in raw shots. I think it's a really bad decision for that, but that's how it appears to me.
See the screenshots attached. Darker image is 'point and shoot'. Brighter image is raw of the same shot.
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I don't think that's the case, the 5 cameras are always used.
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I don't think that's the case, the 5 cameras are always used.
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I think they're supposed to always be used, but based on low light performance, I strongly doubt that they are.
I was only interested in this phone for the camera. To see a 2 Lens iOS device beat this one is atrocious. A lumia 1020 till this day gives you thrills for the photos it takes.
Look at this picture of a cat taken in a lit room, the one with a warmer tone (first pic) is the one with the XS and is closer to how the room looks in real life. Both pics taken with flash.
This is going back. What a waste. Will wait for the Xperia 1.
Nokia, step up your game.
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I was only interested in this phone for the camera. To see a 2 Lens iOS device beat this one is atrocious. A lumia 1020 till this day gives you thrills for the photos it takes.
Look at this picture of a cat taken in a lit room, the one with a warmer tone (first pic) is the one with the XS and is closer to how the room looks in real life. Both pics taken with flash.
This is going back. What a waste. Will wait for the Xperia 1.
Nokia, step up your game.
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as some review have said, N9 is not really flattering for PnS without retouching, have you tried lightroom to get to the same color mood? Then try to compare, because the details in the cat's fur is good, but it needs to be retouched
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I was only interested in this phone for the camera. To see a 2 Lens iOS device beat this one is atrocious. A lumia 1020 till this day gives you thrills for the photos it takes.
Look at this picture of a cat taken in a lit room, the one with a warmer tone (first pic) is the one with the XS and is closer to how the room looks in real life. Both pics taken with flash.
This is going back. What a waste. Will wait for the Xperia 1.
Nokia, step up your game.
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First , your shooting with flash. Since it are 2 different phones your shooting with 2 different flashes, so your actually comparing the flash here. Shooting with different lighting (flash) makes it difficult to compare the images.
From what i can see in the cat pictures : the Nokia's flash is much brighter : look at the reflection on the rear wall, and the cat is brighter illuminated, on the XS photo the backlights are to bright and close to the cat for my taste , they give me a "get that light out of my face" feeling .
In this case it destroys the mood a bit , in other cases it wil be usefull if the subject is a bit farther away.
Also if you have auto whitebalance set to on then it should compensate for the yellow lights in the room and return a picture more adjusted to white light , so +1 for the nokia if that was the case.
Here's a sample comparison without flash.
I understand that with lightroom, and time spent, that one can probably get truly great photos out of this camera. But on the other hand, unlike the 1020, the pics out of the box are just meh. So in this case, its a good thing they made this a limited run, because most people will not go for this phone anyway. Also, they should have made it at least a 6.5 inch phone. The display is too small to truly appreciate the photos this thing can eventually take. The lag time for processing is excessive as one cannot edit a photo with a depth map unless one waits atleast 5-10 seconds.
Needless to say, the one that's darker is the Nokia.
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Here's a sample comparison without flash.
I understand that with lightroom, and time spent, that one can probably get truly great photos out of this camera. But on the other hand, unlike the 1020, the pics out of the box are just meh. So in this case, its a good thing they made this a limited run, because most people will not go for this phone anyway. Also, they should have made it at least a 6.5 inch phone. The display is too small to truly appreciate the photos this thing can eventually take. The lag time for processing is excessive as one cannot edit a photo with a depth map unless one waits atleast 5-10 seconds.
Needless to say, the one that's darker is the Nokia.
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to my eye, the iPhone one is more pleasing to the eye at first sight, due to the warm color balance and slightly upped saturation.
but if you look at the N9 one, the details and color of the cat fur is better preserved, as are the sharpness of the background, but maybe that's due to wrong focus.
So, if you want photos that looks good at first sight, go for iphone, but if you prefer details and dont mind doing post processing, keep the N9
Personally i post process everything i post anyway, so i prefer the N9
alinefx said:
Here's a sample comparison without flash.
I understand that with lightroom, and time spent, that one can probably get truly great photos out of this camera. But on the other hand, unlike the 1020, the pics out of the box are just meh. So in this case, its a good thing they made this a limited run, because most people will not go for this phone anyway. Also, they should have made it at least a 6.5 inch phone. The display is too small to truly appreciate the photos this thing can eventually take. The lag time for processing is excessive as one cannot edit a photo with a depth map unless one waits atleast 5-10 seconds.
Needless to say, the one that's darker is the Nokia.
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you might have a point there.
The multiple lenses and the ability to do post related work like blurring ect ... probably indicate that this is not really the best value for your money if your only going to do "point click and send" type of stuff.
alinefx said:
Here's a sample comparison without flash.
I understand that with lightroom, and time spent, that one can probably get truly great photos out of this camera. But on the other hand, unlike the 1020, the pics out of the box are just meh. So in this case, its a good thing they made this a limited run, because most people will not go for this phone anyway. Also, they should have made it at least a 6.5 inch phone. The display is too small to truly appreciate the photos this thing can eventually take. The lag time for processing is excessive as one cannot edit a photo with a depth map unless one waits atleast 5-10 seconds.
Needless to say, the one that's darker is the Nokia.
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Do you try to say that yellow photo is better ? - it is clearly worse one.
alinefx said:
Here's a sample comparison without flash.
I understand that with lightroom, and time spent, that one can probably get truly great photos out of this camera. But on the other hand, unlike the 1020, the pics out of the box are just meh. So in this case, its a good thing they made this a limited run, because most people will not go for this phone anyway. Also, they should have made it at least a 6.5 inch phone. The display is too small to truly appreciate the photos this thing can eventually take. The lag time for processing is excessive as one cannot edit a photo with a depth map unless one waits atleast 5-10 seconds.
Needless to say, the one that's darker is the Nokia.
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The iphone image is objectively much worse. Much less detail, much more noise, much lower dynamic range. Colour balance can be changed easily in LR (which is on the phone).
However, something definitely does appear to be amiss with low light images. They should be far, far better than they are if they're really stacking images / data from all 5 sensors. The XS Max is far worse than Samsung or Huawei's latest offerings, or the product of GCam in low light.
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The iphone image is objectively much worse. Much less detail, much more noise, much lower dynamic range. Colour balance can be changed easily in LR (which is on the phone).
However, something definitely does appear to be amiss with low light images. They should be far, far better than they are if they're really stacking images / data from all 5 sensors. The XS Max is far worse than Samsung or Huawei's latest offerings, or the product of GCam in low light.
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I'm pleased with most of the pictures posted in this discussion because of the amount of information captured and the balanced exposure. I agree that they aren't always as immediately appealing as other phones which step in to tinker with the images. But at the same time I appreciate the potential gains from having your images available in this format.
Having the option of automated processing would be nice for when you don't have time to play around in Lightroom. And they may do this through software. But seeing as they have already stated that their target audience is camera enthusiasts then they might leave it alone.
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At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the Nokia 9 PureView's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
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I own a P20 Pro , and while the night mode is a nice gimmick it's nothing more than that.
I much rather have the quality of the images under normal light that this nokia produces. And not the over processed jpg's and the unusable raw files that i get from my P20 Pro. Nightmode or not.
Very good when using Raw.