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Often ROM's instruct you to install the gapps package (http://goo.im/gapps ), which adds a collection of Google Apps. I'm often surprised that more people don't know, even sometimes Rom Developers themselves, that you don't always need them.
In fact not installing them, saves not only space, but ram & cpu usage. You end up with a faster device. Everything you need is already added in almost every standard Rom (including Chameleon OS for example).
For example, checking Gmail. You don't need Gmail App. The normal e-mail program that comes with Android already supports Gmail (and other e-mail providers).
You also don't need Google Search. The stock browser already uses it when you search. You save about 20 MB Ram (sometimes more, depending on which Rom you use), by not having Search on the desktop.
About the only con (drawback) is if you're flashing a phone, you're going to want or need gapps as that includes the voice commands (if I recall correctly). But if that's something you feel you can live without or don't need (because you have a tablet or maybe you don't use them on your phone), then not installing gapps can make things easier.
So do you install gapps (Google Apps)?
Actually, for some custom roms, in order for all the features to work, you need to flash Gapps. But for most you dont need. I have never had any bad things from flashing or not flahsing. But i always do flash so i can sync my purchases and apps.
I never flash the Gapps packages for any ROM I use. I only will add the Google Play Store, Google Services Framework and the Account Manager (for JB). All those Google apps are pointless and like stated earlier, will bog down the battery life and performance. Usually I will freeze the Play Store and such when not using them.
Its quite easy to put the required apps in the /system/app folder, set permissions correctly and reboot to get ONLY the Google Play Store. Of course you will need a root explorer like app to do this.
Guitarman2010 said:
I never flash the Gapps packages for any ROM I use. I only will add the Google Play Store, Google Services Framework and the Account Manager (for JB). All those Google apps are pointless and like stated earlier, will bog down the battery life and performance. Usually I will freeze the Play Store and such when not using them.
Its quite easy to put the required apps in the /system/app folder, set permissions correctly and reboot to get ONLY the Google Play Store. Of course you will need a root explorer like app to do this.
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Every ROM I've ever used had Google Play already installed. I believe Framework and Account Manager are already inside as well. So I've not needed to track down the actual app for it.
Socially Uncensored said:
Every ROM I've ever used had Google Play already installed. I believe Framework and Account Manager are already inside as well. So I've not needed to track down the actual app for it.
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Sometimes I'll get lucky and the Play Store is preloaded like SBlood's CM7. I usually use twa_priv's ROMs as my primaries in which I most always have to add Google Play, except I think the latest release (4-19-13), I believe that had it built in.
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Sometimes I'll get lucky and the Play Store is preloaded like SBlood's CM7. I usually use twa_priv's ROMs as my primaries in which I most always have to add Google Play, except I think the latest release (4-19-13), I believe that had it built in.
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Google Play store updates its self. So no matter which version you installed, it will be current sooner rather than later.
Socially Uncensored said:
Google Play store updates its self. So no matter which version you installed, it will be current sooner rather than later.
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I am well aware of that but thanks for mentioning it as maybe it will enlighten other users
I use this Gapps package. It is light apps and RAM usage.
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I think some of you have misunderstood the Gapps.
AFAIK, every AOSP-based ROM will have separate Gapps. Some REQUIRED, some not. You can choose to install or not. NOTE: if you won't install Gapps, you WON'T get Google Play.
Or connection to google services. If you do not flash Google Apps, you get nothing google (beside the software) so your wifi signal, will always be grey, instead of that nice blue. Thats the reason why i flash, that grey bugs me, I only want the blue colour(;
votinh said:
I think some of you have misunderstood the Gapps.
AFAIK, every AOSP-based ROM will have separate Gapps. Some REQUIRED, some not. You can choose to install or not. NOTE: if you won't install Gapps, you WON'T get Google Play.
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That's not true or at least its not try with the ROMs I use. Google's app store is there without me having to add all the extras that come with Gapps
tobiascuypers said:
Or connection to google services. If you do not flash Google Apps, you get nothing google (beside the software) so your wifi signal, will always be grey, instead of that nice blue. Thats the reason why i flash, that grey bugs me, I only want the blue colour(;
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Also not true. I have a nice Wifi signal without Gapps. I also connect to my Gmail using the stock e-mail problem.
This was posted using the stock browser without gapps installed.
Well, seeing this thread, I've tried freezing several system apps on my devices. After freezing backupconfirm and sharebackup, apps seems to open up faster and the device snappier..
I used to install gapps every time, now I usually dont. I like the email app in JB a lot better than the gmail app. Usually install the play store and maps
I like the maps and play store hate the gmail
I find that installing gapps, especially Google play services causes more bugs
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Had no idea!!!!!!!!!
hey guys,thanks for this post i was under the impression I HAD NO OTHER CHOICE...every time i have asked this in a specific rom ...always told to read the beginning of the 1st post on how to install before i post.....maybe wasnt making myself clear..thanks for answering my question...time to experiment !!!!!!!! :good::good::good::good:
Does anyone know exactly what Google flavored apps are required for the just the Play Store to function properly?
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I install gapps everytime because I am always getting new apps. It is interesting to hear that it isn't needed and can make things snappier if you don't need to download new apps.
paulsonmcreilly said:
I install gapps everytime because I am always getting new apps. It is interesting to hear that it isn't needed and can make things snappier if you don't need to download new apps.
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I want to know exactly which ones are absolutely necessary so I can either remove or freeze the ones I don't need. I'm all about battery life and performance
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tried 3 or 4 different AOSP roms including vanir and cm and on all of them i can get the play store to work. some google services (gmail, google+) work while others dont (store, hangouts). what am i doing wrong. i have done full wipes between the different rom installs.. when i go back to stock LG rom with/ root the play store works fine
Sounds like a gapps issue. I use PA mini and have zero issues.
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truckroot said:
Sounds like a gapps issue. I use PA mini and have zero issues.
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some of these roms come with gapps included. and i tried 2 other gapps. anyhow i did find a solution. I went into settings and apps manager and i cleared data on all google play services, google play store, google framework, google account settings and low and behold it now work.. i must note that my LTE/ WIFI/cell reception still stay white and never turn blue (indicating connected to g-services) but at least they all work..
Hello everyone, to start let me tell you a little about myself. I have been on XDA for over 4 years now, and haven't really posted too much. More or less just sat on the side lines to see what developers could create. Now, I'm not much of a developer myself, (know some code) but I am huge into security.
Recently a lot of companies security tactics are being questioned, and since Google is showing little effort to no effector to protect us from the government listening in on our calls and intercepting texts. I've decided to start building a ROM that is not Google based, and preconfigured to work once flashed. This, won't be the typical flash, it'll be a restore through TWRP.
I can build this ROM using any ROM requested, but for the first upload, I'll be using an Omni ROM with ElementalX kernel based ROM. The ROM also includes MicroG services, which has everything but Snapchat working. Including, but no limited to; Google Maps, Hangouts, Play Store, Pokemon Go, all location features, and all Google features. I am also including Xposed Frameworks, with PMP module and Sudo Hide preloaded. Both modules aim to help with privacy.
ll be uploading the link to the build ROM Sunday.
I will not ask for donations, all I ask is for help to build and keep making this better.
Apps Included:
AFwall+
BusyBox
Calculator
Calendar
Camera X
Clock
Documents
Downloads
DSPmamager
DuckDuckGo
Email
FDroid
Gallary
Kernel Auditor
Maps
MicroG
MicroG Framework
Mega
Mozilla Location Backend
NominatimGeocoderBackend
Omni Note
Tor (Browser and Service)
Phone
Play store
PMP (Protect My Privacy)
Protonmail
Signal
TugaBrowser
Xplore
XDA Labs
Xposed Installer
YouTube
About 90% of these apps can be removed upon installation. Each and every app installed can be used to help protect your privacy. Feel free to ask me why I chose certain apps.
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EDIT:Fix silly grammar and spelling mistakes. Add more details
Can I ask why Snapchat isn't working?
Rekan_ said:
Can I ask why Snapchat isn't working?
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I believe its a bug in MicroG, I've done some research and a work around I found was to use titanium backup. Backup the data of the app, and then restore it once installing MicroG. I personally haven't tried it.
Sounds great!
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Sorry but this is pointless. And claiming that it's not 'google based' is just stupid ... As if Omni made their ROM from scratch.
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Thread closed.
Placeholder threads are not allowed. When the OP uploads their build and posts the link here, they can PM me after the fact and I will reopen the thread.
Hi,
I'm looking for a stock ROM without any Google apps or services.
I want to test the phone without Google and see if it is usable.
Is there a script I can use to remove all Google files from the phone?
Thanks
halifage said:
Hi,
I'm looking for a stock ROM without any Google apps or services.
I want to test the phone without Google and see if it is usable.
Is there a script I can use to remove all Google files from the phone?
Thanks
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Are you aware of it? You can't use the same apps with the same behavior as before. It's not a big deal. messenger apps for example uses google play services for instant messaging. Many other apps are unreliable without play services.
But you need to root your stock rom and can freeze Google play services(only this one is enough for first testing). It's the main service/app that's needed for every other Google service/app/connection.
strongst said:
Are you aware of it? You can't use the same apps with the same behavior as before. It's not a big deal. messenger apps for example uses google play services for instant messaging. Many other apps are unreliable without play services.
But you need to root your stock rom and can freeze Google play services(only this one is enough for first testing). It's the main service/app that's needed for every other Google service/app/connection.
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vielen Dank
I am fully aware of the repercussions. I want to dive in and delete the files, not just freeze them.
I've used the terminal debloater as suggested by @rajatgupta1998 but it doesn't offer the option to delete lib, jar, xml and other files.
At least i don't get the black screen after deleting, which is better than all scripts i flashed so far.
You could try NanoDroid, but make a backup before.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/module-nanomod-5-0-20170405-microg-t3584928
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You could try NanoDroid, but make a backup before.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/module-nanomod-5-0-20170405-microg-t3584928
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vielen Dank,
But i'm not actually looking install microG or any other form of GApps.
I just want to delete the ones that come with the stock ROM to have a Google-free stock ROM.
It seems certain files (like Google Services Framework) cause the phone to be stuck at black screen during boot.
halifage said:
vielen Dank,
But i'm not actually looking install microG or any other form of GApps.
I just want to delete the ones that come with the stock ROM to have a Google-free stock ROM.
It seems certain files (like Google Services Framework) cause the phone to be stuck at black screen during boot.
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As I wrote before, you can do the following on stock rom: just freeze/delete Google play services app and you cut every Google communications. You can't execute play store, YouTube, drive, accounts or whatever Google app. You'll see no Google play services wakelock anymore. If framework files are there after that doesn't matter.
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As I wrote before, you can do the following on stock rom: just freeze/delete Google play services app and you cut every Google communications. You can't execute play store, YouTube, drive, accounts or whatever Google app. You'll see no Google play services wakelock anymore. If framework files are there after that doesn't matter.
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Thanks.
Looks like my only option so far.
halifage said:
Thanks.
Looks like my only option so far.
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Just do this test and see if it's suitable for your purposes
strongst said:
Just do this test and see if it's suitable for your purposes
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Testing now.
@strongst It's actually kinda like having the best of both worlds. It turns out some apps that required the maps API still works, including Maps (from Google).
The added bonus is that is can switch play services on at will.
I just deleted Google apps that i don't use.
Phone has been working without any issues at all. I have very few apps (whatsapp, automateIt, etc). i use xperia keyboard, FOSS apps like new pipe (for youtube), Dnotes (for keep), yalp store (for playe store).
Battery life and SOT have almost doubled.
Hello everyone. I have using custom roms for a while now. Unlocked and re locked several times. Now I am running pixel experience latest build. Before that i was on havoc os latest one. Tested crdroid, superior os Phoenix, LOS 17.1 . The issue in every custom 10 rom i can not use my device microphone in messenger, imo, discord etc. To use voice service in these apps i have to use headset microphone. But the device microphone is working perfectly in phone app and WhatsApp. Any fix for this please. It would be great. I can not stand pie roms because i fell in love with the q gestures xD.
what i have tried so far
Give proper permissions
uninstall and reinstalling apps
clearing storage and cache
resetting
Loneshark said:
Hello everyone. I have using custom roms for a while now. Unlocked and re locked several times. Now I am running pixel experience latest build. Before that i was on havoc os latest one. Tested crdroid, superior os Phoenix, LOS 17.1 . The issue in every custom 10 rom i can not use my device microphone in messenger, imo, discord etc. To use voice service in these apps i have to use headset microphone. But the device microphone is working perfectly in phone app and WhatsApp. Any fix for this please. It would be great. I can not stand pie roms because i fell in love with the q gestures xD.
what i have tried so far
Give proper permissions
uninstall and reinstalling apps
clearing storage and cache
resetting
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Try to disable Ok google in google app. then you mic will work now in fb messenger.
go to Google app - more - Settings - Voice - Voice match then disable "Hey Google".
kayamokid said:
Try to disable Ok google in google app. then you mic will work now in fb messenger.
go to Google app - more - Settings - Voice - Voice match then disable "Hey Google".
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Thanks brother. You are a life saver.
Sorry to revive an old post, but I'm having this problem in CrDroid Android 12. I don't have any Google products installed.