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Google and privacy

Hello!
I´m interrested in Android as well as in the tm G1.
Now the G1 is announced here in Germany for the second of february.
My problem at the moment is, that I have read and heard, that google is collecting data (everything)! So if you read the "terms and conditions", what do you think about that or don´t you care? I mean they have the rights over everything you load/send/post/get....and more!
How do you handle that fact personally for you?
Greetings!
Carter

That's just the nature of the emphasis on cloud computing. Personally my stance is simply to not conduct any business on my G1 that I would mind Google knowing/datamining. Regardless of what companies claim in their privacy policies, the very best way to 100% guarantee your data will be misused is simply to not willingly give it out.
Edit: also keep in mind that the (potentially) datamining portions of Android generally revolve around those apps and services which are closed-source apps provided by Google that are not a part of the Android Open Source Project. These include for example the Market, GMail, GTalk, and so forth.

ok, I get your point, but what is the G1 without Gmail/Calendar etc.
And thats all google.
Because of the poor response on my question I think that the majority doesn´t care about google´s data collecting hype.
In my eyes their acting is scary....imagine the details they know about you and many many other people....
just my opinion...
Greetz!

They don't collect any personal information. Not only that but they don't have people looking at these records. A computer does all the work, and is only used to find keywords.
Look at this site's search (the one on xda not google) it works by taking every word and putting it in a database and when you search the word it shows the corresponding posts. so post1 has wordA and post2 has wordA and wordB, and when you search for wordB you only get post2. The same concept is in place for google... except it goes one step further. The spider takes out words that are not needed. Well they have been using this for your GMail for sometime as well. It is why they have excellent spam control and it is why google is so awesome. They use the same process to check emails when you click links. Basically they are just trying to find out who uses what sites for what reasons. If they figure out all this they can better help you and the company you were visiting.
Chances are if you are on a site that is doing something illegal Google already knows it exisists.

someone can always watch if they want, on a g1 or PC, or anything connected. Just don't do anything dumb.

i think its obscene and absurd how gung hoe they are with it. If you want access to the playstore gawdam they better have every member of your family and every person you've ever met profiled as well as around the clock location tracking with a serial # and every keystroke on your device. And dont you dare make any attempts to disable any of their spyware or you can kiss YouTube apps and the play store goodbye. Its pathetic what they've done to Android and its users. And the reason it pisses me of the most is because I don't even really use free apps. They're all either paid for or open.

Lookout mobile security - stealing info?

I have lookout since i gut my tab, iv gut a mail from my google account, i dont really know how the gut my account name:S
If u look at the EUAL you can see that they are taking litterily all your information you gut on you phone and most likely are selling it.
Someone conferm for me?, several people is saying this, thats where i gut my info.
First thing i did yesterday was using droidwall and blocking the internet connection for the lookout, so now it should be OK, and yes i know if they have a update i cant take it, so i need to lock it up sometimes but then they take all my info, or i need to change.
I just wanna know what you others thinkg of this, and can rek a good antivirus software

They had a post on their blog explaining why they need the permissions
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Thanks for your interest in Lookout. Stated boldly in our privacy policy is:
We don’t sell your personal information.
-It’s that simple: we don’t sell your personal information.
We don't barter, trade, share, swap, give access to, or allow shoulder surfing of your information. Full stop.
We produce revenue for the company by selling a premium version of the product and are a venture-capital backed firm. We just raised $19.5M to help provide for the free service we offer, you can read about that more it at venturebeat.com.
As far as why does Lookout need permissions to all aspects of my phone?
Lookout needs the level of access it does to keep your phone secure. As an analogy, think of someone protecting your home by installing an electronic security system. You have to let them in to your house to install the gear, they have to hook it up to your home's electronic system, they provide you with keys/codes/access to your home, they may even have the ability to open the door if you get locked out, and you probably hand them a credit card to pay for it all. Think of all the trust you put into that service to secure what is dear to you. You wouldn't let just anyone perform that service and the same goes for your smartphone. Lookout secures your device from malware and we have a strong reputation as being a security-based organization. You can see for yourself the press we've received on our website (mylookout dot com).
For a more thorough review of the permissions we employ, see our blog post about it at blog.mylookout.com/2010/11/android-app-permissions-dissected.
Let me know if you have more questions, you can always email me: support at mylookout dot com.
Cheers,
Brian

I've had Lookout on my OG Droid for months now, and even opted in on their $1 Premium offer, and I've always felt pretty safe in trusting them. It's good to be paranoid at times, but, in the end, it'd be pretty destructive for a security firm to destroy their revenue and dissipate their userbase for a little demographic info that's all to easy for advertisers to grab from other sources anyway.

Lookout FTW!

edit...wrong thread, sorry

Just to let everyone something to think about...

Read this link. Read it carefully. It's not just about Google being able to run whatever code they like on your devices, it's about Google DOING it, remotely, without any user intervention/confirmation.
What's next ? Let me throw some wild and far fetched guesses...
* Applanet like apps being killed off on the devices to fight piracy...
* Anything not from the market being wiped out from time to time, for the same reason...
* Users are hunted down and being prosecuted for piracy based on their devices content...
* The system is rigged/updated to block inappropriate content, such as pedophile sites...
* Users are being prosecuted for possessing and/or visiting inappropriate content/providers...
* The "inappropriate" extends to warez sites and regular porn sites, "bad" users are still prosecuted...
* The "inappropriate" extend to the "wrong" political sites, "bad" users are still prosecuted...
* .......
I bet you get the idea. And yea, i know i am taking it too far, but still
PS: Let me add something... the builds we are running on our HD2 are often partially illegal (gaps) etc... hint hint

maybe a little paranoid, ok, well maybe a lot
InfX said:
* The system is rigged/updated to block inappropriate content, such as pedophile sites...
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not sure why you mentioned this, anyone in their right mind would welcome this particular point.

kam333 said:
maybe a little paranoid, ok, well maybe a lot
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A lot, exaggerated to the max, of course. But that doesn't turn what Google does right.
kam333 said:
not sure why you mentioned this, anyone in their right mind would welcome this particular point.
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Thats EXACTLY why i mentioned it.

InfX said:
A lot, exaggerated to the max, of course. But that doesn't turn what Google does right.
Thats EXACTLY why i mentioned it.
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personally, i think google already knows tooooo much about its users, but in the case of malware, google is definitely the lesser of the 2 evils
let me ask you this, would you rather the big G have some remote access to your device or hackers collecting your personal info. Its the connected world, there's no turning back!!!
only real solution for anyone worried about companies interfering with their device... remove the sim card... for ever.
gnight & dont have nightmares

kam333 said:
would you rather the big G have some remote access to your device or hackers collecting your personal info.
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Guess what... neither of those

Also, there are terrorists under the bed,chemtrails in the sky, bromine in the water,drug dealers at the school gates, drunks on fones in cars, bondage freaks at work,human traffickers, religious zealots bent coppers paedo nursery workers racists fanatics and plain clothes Google operatives spreading FUD in forums cos its cheaper and gets more results than million pound lawsuits. Oh and bloody clowns.
Just a random outpouring,please continue.

Infx may sound paranoid, and no person of any kind of moral decency would condone anbody using pedophelia porn or any other form of content that causes any kind of harm to anyone. But those are matters for the authorities to deal with, not google. If the internet's morality policies were enforced by a huge internet based company, wouldn't that be considered some kind of a conflict of interests somehow? I mean imagine if Disney were the biggest internet company, we'd never see so much as a single cuss-word or titty. Big companies shouldn't be able to impose their own commercialized morals upon users, the internet will inevitably grow more and more watered down. I don't consider myself a paranoid person, but this type of issue stinks of denial of 1st amendment rights, one step closer to completely government/corporate filtered news-tainment, and corporate control of the masses.

Huggs, i totally agree, thata why i posted this, not because i am actualluly that paranoid (would i still use Internet if i was ?). What i tried to do in my post is to demonstrate a worst case scenario, how would google start with somethimg that should be totally accepted by everyone (fighting pedophily) yet slowly move to fighting things we no longer want it to fight (political opinions).
PS: This little remote control thing is the first step for a corporate giant to become a corporate government, a corporate dictator. And the onlu things corporations care for is money, not their users.
PPS: Just my personal opinion, feel free to disagree.

I like that idea: http://code.google.com/p/open-android-alliance/

InfX said:
Guess what... neither of those
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you really dont have a great deal of options
android, rim, ios & wp7 all have the ability to "spy" on their users to some degree,
mostly its just basic info such as: gps location, installed apps & how often they're used, crash logs, etc
some apps on ios have been caught out sending even more personal data. The point is, whilst i dont disagree fully with your concerns, i do see your post as somewhat hysterical.
There was no suggestion in the article you linked (or any other that ive read) that google is planning any of things you mentioned, so why mention them, as doing so only makes you a part of the current media trend of FUD as samsamuel put it.
this isnt about deny that all companies are in it 1st for the £$€, then customer welfare further down the list, im talking about being realistic. at this moment in time i cannot see google taking the path that you suggested, i also have far more immediate and real life things to focus on.
im all for a good conspiracy theory, fema detention camps springing up all over the usa (REX 84), the western so called "powers" planting the seeds of unrest in africa & the middle east so they can insert more puppets to secure natural resources (be it oil, gold, diamonds...), i could go on, but this isnt the place.
so let bring it back to google, you are in denial if you think cyber crime isnt going on, and with the rise of the smartphones we will see a rise of cyber crims trying to gain access. so i ask again who would you rather have access to your device?
if you still think or say neither, il know for sure you have lost the plot or you have taken my advice & binned your sim card cause thats the only other option you have.
@huggs, normally your post are quite informative & rational, that last post wasnt imho
no one was talking about censorship, the 1 point about google blocking access to child porn is something i would vote for, this has nothing to do with internet policing, you say thats down to the authorities, but they are not all seeing (no yet anyway) hence the use of informants by law enforcement the world wide, n thats all i would support. yes its possible that you give them a small mandate they will take it further but il worry about that IF the signs arise.
ppl who get there kick this way should have no rights, & should be actively hunted by whatever methods are available & taken out of the general population.
P.S.
Man i would love to have such a care free life that i need to start imagining then stressing about what may or may not happen, but i dont, my concerns are here & now, What you are talking about ISNT.
sorry for the lengthy post but your suggestions/posts are a subtle form of propaganda and a 1 line response really wouldn't cut it.
all the best
Kam

I say if we are doing something wrong and get caught that's our own fault.

How is it illegal? Isn't android open license ie freeware?
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

@kam333, i may be way less paranoid than you may think, mind the fact i've posted this as a VERY far-fetched and unrealistic speculation that only got slim to nil chance of actually happening, but it does demonstrate a possibility of undoubtedly good things becoming a base to slowly advance into nasty control-it-all direction. And, yea, your suggestion about binning the SIM card won't work. I still got WiFi
@dung8604, search the net about why Cyanogen mod no longer includes Google apps.

Well, I'm running a cooked rom without a Google account set up. So I can cross that off of the paranoid list.

I can't say I'm surprised by anything written in the article.

Did a quick search and from what i can tell, only Google apps are proprietary. Nothing about the OS itself though
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Admob has banned me

Hi guys, today I woke up with a horrific news. I wanted to kill myself when I logged in to my Admob account. I am banned without a warning or at least a courtesy mail. I have been trying to find out the reason, I have read tons of similar posts and it looks like it is not very likely that they will reactivate my account. I need some suggestion about the mail that I will send them in order for them to understand that I did nothing wrong and that what they did is actually wrong.
I was getting 30k impressions daily and I am suspicious that somebody has attacked my application; however, isn't admob supposed to understand that and filter out those clicks?
This is so frustrating, any comment on this issue would be great.
Thank you so much.

That's a really sad news.. I think it could be possible that some user just clicked your ads over and over again, just to get you banned.. Normally, I would suggest that admob is able to filter this clicks out, but it seems not in your case.
If i remember correct, there should be an official "protest"-formular online. But I would not put to much hope in int.
Maybe you should just try a new network, as soon as possible.

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That's a really sad news.. I think it could be possible that some user just clicked your ads over and over again, just to get you banned.. Normally, I would suggest that admob is able to filter this clicks out, but it seems not in your case.
If i remember correct, there should be an official "protest"-formular online. But I would not put to much hope in int.
Maybe you should just try a new network, as soon as possible.
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Thank you for your comments, It is really a shame if a person is able to make me banned that way. I have switched to another network but it will not be paying as good as Admob does. Anyways Google is the boss and I have no other option except abiding by whatever this giant wants.

Im surprised they couldnt filter out multiple clicks from one account. But they would probably just assume it was you telling someone to click on ads for them.
Can I ask what your app was?

koochooloo said:
Hi guys, today I woke up with a horrific news. I wanted to kill myself when I logged in to my Admob account. I am banned without a warning or at least a courtesy mail. I have been trying to find out the reason, I have read tons of similar posts and it looks like it is not very likely that they will reactivate my account. I need some suggestion about the mail that I will send them in order for them to understand that I did nothing wrong and that what they did is actually wrong.
I was getting 30k impressions daily and I am suspicious that somebody has attacked my application; however, isn't admob supposed to understand that and filter out those clicks?
This is so frustrating, any comment on this issue would be great.
Thank you so much.
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If my Admob Publisher account gets banned, what happens to my Google Developer account? will it get banned too?

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If my Admob Publisher account gets banned, what happens to my Google Developer account? will it get banned too?
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In most cases the ban of admob not involve the ban on the developer console since the services are not related. However it's really strange that admob ban persons in this way, are you sure that you have not put ads near buttons to increase the click?

Post some screenshots of the locations where you put your admob banners and the names of your apps so we can tell you why you got banned.

Hi! Sorry to hear about that. Based on my own experience conducting workshop for my students, we follows these guidelines:
1) Never click on your own app
2) Never open your admob account using public wifi
3) never open your admob account using the same gmail address as your google developer account.
There are few more advices we normally gives our students but those above is the major guidelines that students must follow.
I hope this helps you.
All the best. Never give up. Just continue open a new admob account as their new formats gives us better income.
Take care.
Kind regards.
Apps Master Builder.com

And what to do if your admob gmail acc is the same as developer acc?

Sergalt said:
And what to do if your admob gmail acc is the same as developer acc?
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Use MoPub.

Crichton333 said:
Use MoPub.
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Do you have experiences with both MoPub and Admob? I'm a new developer and I've been curious to see how MoPub mediation does against Admob's, numbers wise.

kabumere said:
Do you have experiences with both MoPub and Admob? I'm a new developer and I've been curious to see how MoPub mediation does against Admob's, numbers wise.
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Well Admob is the best but if you get banned the only alternative is MoPub.

It is sad to hear about that.
Though this post is created last year, I have some questions and hopefully if you could help. Thanks.
Did you contact AdMob support to get more information about the ban?
What happened to your App after the ban? Did it still show AD, Blanked, or simply make the App crashed?
Did you try another AD network, such as MoPub mentioned by others?

Crichton333 said:
Well Admob is the best but if you get banned the only alternative is MoPub.
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how satisfied are you with Mopub?

sekip said:
how satisfied are you with Mopub?
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I only use Admob.

Where did you place the ads? Did you abuse the system in any way? Could it be because of your apps? Did they contain copyrighted material?

MoPub allows you to mediate between a whole bunch of ad networks. The only disadvantage is that the support is very slow in answering your questions and in verifying your account. If you can live with that, I'd suggest changing to MoPub.

you can chose something else.
I don't think there is much to upset, you can chose so many other ad networks since it is really so easy, such as startapp, mobilecore and mobvista, so easy to switch..

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Unless you have a ton of impressions, a solution like MoPub may be overkill. MoPub is a mediation solution that allows you to optimize between multiple networks to best value your inventory. It really is just a little more savvy than having a single network manage your inventory, and you have the ability to serve house ads.

Hi!
I've been banned too 3 or 4 months ago I think, and I decided to move to Adbuddiz (which is not working for me at all, btw) without sending the reply form to Admob. Two days ago I said "let's give it a try" and send that form to Admob to see if can recover my account somehow, and yesterday my account was OK again!
So, you have nothing to lose in sending that reply form, as long as you send a logic explanation
PS: Sorry for my english.

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