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as it stands im torn between getting the Desire Hd or the SGS, With this phone just less than 2 weeks away from launching. I find it strange that its not been reviewed yet by the likes of Engadget or GSMArena i would have thought HTC would have sent out a Review handset even with BETA firmware. The way its looking it will be onsale before its even been reviewed. I want to read a few reviews before making my mind up on which handset to get. I want a handset that takes good photo'S and videos and i know the SGS is great there but im put off with the problems GPS,LAG etc. I was hoping the DHD would be good but ive got a feeling that the samsung will be better for photo's and videos. Then again i know that HTC will most probably have more updates and the most likly to get gingerbread. Oh this is hard
Look! The database ate yesterday's replies!
Engadget is a US-only site and certainly won't review a phone that doesn't support their oddball 3G frequencies.
Volker1 said:
Look! The database ate yesterday's replies!
Engadget is a US-only site and certainly won't review a phone that doesn't support their oddball 3G frequencies.
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That's not necessarily true. Engadget reviewed the original Desire and the Legend.
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That's not necessarily true. Engadget reviewed the original Desire and the Legend.
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True, but with the old Desire it was clear that it would be available in the US later (and, in fact, currently is in a CDMA-version). I don't know why they reviewed the Legend without mentioning the 3G bands supported, though
The DHD is basically Europe's etc EVO 4G without the LTE bands (from what I've read and seen). So I'm hedging my bets that the DHD and EVO will perform very similarly in regards to camera and video quality. Performance wise I've heard the DHD is better than the EVO but I can't remember the exact benchmark results, I'm sure googling knows the answer though.
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The DHD is basically Europe's etc EVO 4G without the LTE bands (from what I've read and seen). So I'm hedging my bets that the DHD and EVO will perform very similarly in regards to camera and video quality. Performance wise I've heard the DHD is better than the EVO but I can't remember the exact benchmark results, I'm sure googling knows the answer though.
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Im forced to disagree with your opinion on camcorder similarities. The EVO records up to 23 fps. If u see the vids it looks really choppy and not smooth at all.
I'll agree with many people here that, from what we've seen, the quality of the DHD isnt great, but it keeps a solid 30 fps throughout the clip and is far more smooth than the EVO (or any other HTC phone for that matter).
May be so but the actual hardware are identical in specs if you compare them on paper. May just be firmware or driver differences that make the difference in recording. (but honestly I don't know I'm just comparing the specs of both phones).
DHD and Evo have nothing in common except for the 4.3" screen. But that doesn't change the public perception that they are similar... even Engadget proclaimed that the DHD is "an Evo for the rest of the world". But then, as their recent editorials have shown, Engadet editors aren't too technically apt
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May be so but the actual hardware are identical in specs if you compare them on paper. May just be firmware or driver differences that make the difference in recording. (but honestly I don't know I'm just comparing the specs of both phones).
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I'm not sure where you got that idea. The processor speed may be the same but it's a different CPU / GPU (and the GPU is a *lot* faster).
I am well aware the CPU and GPU are newer and much more efficient. My point in reply was that the physical camera could easily be the same model used in the EVO. As people have seen with the N1 and Desire a software update can bring in new features such as the 720p recording and so on.
Anyway I wouldn't be worried about the lack of reviews. HTC may be preventing the reviews from being published until release, it isn't unknown for companies to with hold reviews at their discretion for whatever reason. I wager the review units are out their and being played with and put through their paces right now and when ready you will see them in print and online.
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May be so but the actual hardware are identical in specs if you compare them on paper. May just be firmware or driver differences that make the difference in recording. (but honestly I don't know I'm just comparing the specs of both phones).
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You must be comparing them in your head or something then, because the Desire HD has a 8255 Snapdragon processor, where as the EVO has a 8650 Snapdragon processor.
Both are 1 GHz in clock speed, but that's about all they share. The 8255 has a 45nm manufacturing process, which means less power consumption and lower heat compared to the 8650's 65nm manufacturing process, and the onboard GPU on the Desire HD is an Adreno 205 compared to the 200 on the EVO 4G.
Do a search for Adreno 205 on YouTube and you'll see just how much more advanced the 205 is. This will be really good when Android 3.0 comes out and we see an accelerated GUI.
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You must be comparing them in your head or something then, because the Desire HD has a 8255 Snapdragon processor, where as the EVO has a 8650 Snapdragon processor.
Both are 1 GHz in clock speed, but that's about all they share. The 8255 has a 45nm manufacturing process, which means less power consumption and lower heat compared to the 8650's 65nm manufacturing process, and the onboard GPU on the Desire HD is an Adreno 205 compared to the 200 on the EVO 4G.
Do a search for Adreno 205 on YouTube and you'll see just how much more advanced the 205 is. This will be really good when Android 3.0 comes out and we see an accelerated GUI.
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My previous post before yours explains what I was actually talking about in the first place. My fault for not making clear I was only talking about the camera.
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My previous post before yours explains what I was actually talking about in the first place. My fault for not making clear I was only talking about the camera.
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I see, I must have been busy replying when you posted.
Just youtubed the 205 and you're right it does look pretty special. I think I'm going to bully my iPhone 4 toting friends when i get my DHD. Can't wait!
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Just youtubed the 205 and you're right it does look pretty special. I think I'm going to bully my iPhone 4 toting friends when i get my DHD. Can't wait!
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Yeah, that game they showcased looked amazing to me.
My only real concern is battery life, but hopefully having a power efficient CPU/GPU should ease the drain. I'd be more than happy with a 2 day battery, I can just about squeeze that out of my Hero running Elelinux 1.9 - moderate to heavy use.
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My only real concern is battery life, but hopefully having a power efficient CPU/GPU should ease the drain. I'd be more than happy with a 2 day battery, I can just about squeeze that out of my Hero running Elelinux 1.9 - moderate to heavy use.
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if you buy a spare battery then you'd never have to worry about the phone dying on you again. You're effectively doubling your battery life, and it only costs like 15-20 pounds extra.
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if you buy a spare battery then you'd never have to worry about the phone dying on you again. You're effectively doubling your battery life, and it only costs like 15-20 pounds extra.
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Probably the best idea, will wait and see my upgrade is due just after release so I'm hoping orange will stock it in enough numbers so I can get it. In fact I'll call them this week and find out, assuming they're not going to ignorant and unaware of it's existence still
I've been searching like crazy for reviews as well.
For some reason, HTC seems to be withholding them. I have no idea why, but I think positive reviews would only increase pre order sales and general perception of what is soon to be their flagship phone!
Seems a bit strange, but oh well!
Review
Hi there,
Been using the phone for 3 days (from saturday on):
Battery consumption overnight (8.5h with BT and WiFi on; 3G network): 10%
Phone is running smooth and fast.
Compared to my HTC HD2, the screen reacts faster and more precise.
Seems to be a bit heavier than HD2 and definitely is somewhat longer. No problem though to keep it in shirt breast pocket.
Screen is nice and clear, pixels not showing and less saturated colors than Samsung I9000 Galaxy.
WiFi is very fast.
BT is OK to other laptops, mobiles and carkit.
Voice quality is fine both incoming and outgoing.
The only thing nagging me: I can't change the color of my Exchange agenda items. It works ok with Google agenda's as long as you use the bottom three rows of colors. Exchange won't do it.
Recommend it to anyone searching for top smartphone.
Regards,
Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?
Benchmarks mean nothing, the phone runs fine and quickly, games play fine at good frame rates, so its pointless doing this.
Transferring heat away from a components thats designed to handle it to a component that isnt is a bad idea. You may not think the screen is getting heated, but there a layers of very insulating glass between you and the LCD, you wont be aware just how warm it is. Heat affects LCDs, in time you might end up with a dark spot where the CPU is.
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Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?
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What exactly is the "bang for your buck" that you require? What does the G2 not do for you that the Note 3 or Z1 does that is so crucial to daily life?
Because if it is just benchmarks, then as mentioned above, they mean nothing.
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Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?
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not long ago the g2 rocked the benchmarks mwahhaha so there with your thermal grease
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not long ago the g2 rocked the benchmarks mwahhaha so there with your thermal grease
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the kk update killed the bench score, i think mine dropped like 10k.
Benchmarks are the worse thing to ever happen to android. You would think that the moto x with its "out of date" specs still running smoother then the s5 would prove once and for all that benchmark scores are pointless. I don't care if the note 3 or s5 put up record breaking omg wtf fml scores...it still lags and mine doesn't! Lol....
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To add to this.... lets say you bought 2 cars. Both cost the same, one car says 700 hp, 0-60 in 3 seconds. The second car has 300 hp, 0-60 in 6 seconds. But once you get on the road, the 300 hp drives better, feels faster in every way and gets much better gas mileage. There's what's on paper, and there's real life.
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the kk update killed the bench score, i think mine dropped like 10k.
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but user experience increased a lot right? ui flluidness/ opening of apps?
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Benchmark d*ck swinging - The rankings equivalent of being the moron who still says 'FIRST' on a comments section
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lol, I dont mind good benchmarks, there just arent any on android that measure fluidness/real life snappyness.
First! after the guy who doesnt like firsts.
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but user experience increased a lot right? ui flluidness/ opening of apps?
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i dont see it. my phone was snappy and fluid before the update, its the same now.
as for the benchmark comments. i agree to a degree that they dont mean a lot, but a 25-35% drop seems a bit extreme for an update.
seems like they boosted the benches to boost sales when it was new.
The fluidity and the battery are awesome. I love everything on that phone. Even if LG doesn't keep it updated it will still be one great phone that i own/ed...
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Its pathetic you ACTUALLY care about benchmarks, lol.
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I don't care bout benches, I care about what I paid for, and I use, as everyone else does, benches to prove that my item works as intended. Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas? when phone overheats and process too long, longer than it must? It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? Everybody did. Maybe it partly is because of early frequency drop, maybe not so.
And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/
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I don't care bout benches, I care about what I paid for, and I use, as everyone else does, benches to prove that my item works as intended. Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas? when phone overheats and process too long, longer than it must? It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? Everybody did. Maybe it partly is because of early frequency drop, maybe not so.
And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/
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But you didn't pay for a device that guarantees you any particular score in artificially inflated benchmark tests though. No manufacturer will launch a device guaranteeing someone a set score all the time. So what is it that you think you should have that you haven't got now? I thin that is what we can't understand.
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But you didn't pay for a device that guarantees you any particular score in artificially inflated benchmark tests though. No manufacturer will launch a device guaranteeing someone a set score all the time. So what is it that you think you should have that you haven't got now? I thin that is what we can't understand.
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Man, I want it to not lag earlyer than do another smartphones. Did you hear of lags when playing Spiderman 2? I've heard that G2 is not capable of playing this recent new game smoothly, as device with SD800 should. OK I don't play Spiderman2 and did not by to play benchmarks, I only use benchmarks as examples that internally G2, Nexus 4, Nexus 5 do not constructed properly. And as I did http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2299888 when I complained of improper color temperatures of G Pro LG reacted and made G2 display perfectly calibrated and on par with HTC One and iPhone 5S. So I think that in future G3 they'll do something with SoC cooling and improve performance when gaming for long time
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And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/
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These things have nothing to do with benchmarks:
Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas?Overheating can be many things, I have yet to find a phone that doesnt overheat sometimes. Usually a clean instal fixes this nicely. Its Android I guess and faulty install scenarios.
It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? -> slow focus is the automatic focus, press on screen where you want focus and its almost instant. Google camera is pretty good. there are other settings that can tweak this.
That said, benchmarks in my opinion do nothing good for true user experience.
I do believe Android needs to step up on the user experience game as my comments above prove enough that this device, I say all android devices, need to much customization to be perfect. All these workarounds To fix these real issues that some users find anoying, not higher benchmarks are needed.
lol, and does kitkat score less in that? didnt see you post scores once with that nor found your arguments on it.Stop trolling yourself and post some proof then.
so my arguments from that standingpoint still hold.
I also couldnt find it featured on any major android website, wonder why.
the one benchmarktool I dont know, its only got 33 reviews, hardly antutu level. wonder if its representative.
This could be a benchmark that actually does measure some important stuff I am talking about. Interesting. thanks for sharing
omg the downloading is soo slow wow
ok ran the benchmark. but I am not impressed as it benchmarks with its own gui, not the actual phones gui. Also it doesnt benchmark the panorama shots or any camera shots for that matter.
I guess I wasnt wrong after all... sad was hoping big on this benchmarking tool to finally have a representative view of a gui from a user point of view.
People, so upsest with benchmarks, its not like its a gaming computer/server where you squeeze every bit of performance regardless of powerdraw etc, its a phone lol, and its smoother than before KitKat. Xperia Z is a good example of benchmarks vs sucking in real life ex horrible battery life....
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ok ran the benchmark. but I am not impressed as it benchmarks with its own gui, not the actual phones gui. Also it doesnt benchmark the panorama shots or any camera shots for that matter.
I guess I wasnt wrong after all... sad was hoping big on this benchmarking tool to finally have a representative view of a gui from a user point of view.
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Well, from the user point of view you should your Gallery scroll, Zoom scroll, list scroll results. The gallery scroll is what fubar in LG's UI. It scores around 35-37FPS, right? But on the Nexus it scores 50-55 fps or near. All other scrolls on LG are pretty near 60 fps, so as on every other smartphone and all right with them. But gallery scroll is bad. Did you use Tapatalk ever? Have you noticed when you try to swipe from right to left to open next page the tapatalk just stagger, hangs for .5sec, and then completes the move? It shouldn't, scroll must be buttery as is in HTC phones
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People, so upsest with benchmarks, its not like its a gaming computer/server where you squeeze every bit of performance regardless of powerdraw etc.
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Check my hwbot prime score it is 1688 and compare to Nexus 5 scores that has same MSM8974A packed in LG box. 2923 points. pretty 50% increase just because of software, huh. Or the next result , 3075
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Well, from the user point of view you should your Gallery scroll, Zoom scroll, list scroll results. The gallery scroll is what fubar in LG's UI. It scores around 35-37FPS, right? But on the Nexus it scores 50-55 fps or near. All other scrolls on LG are pretty near 60 fps, so as on every other smartphone and all right with them. But gallery scroll is bad. Did you use Tapatalk ever? Have you noticed when you try to swipe from right to left to open next page the tapatalk just stagger, hangs for .5sec, and then completes the move? It shouldn't, scroll must be buttery as is in HTC phones
Check my hwbot prime score it is 1688 and compare to Nexus 5 scores that has same MSM8974A packed in LG box. 2923 points. pretty 50% increase just because of software, huh. Or the next result , 3075
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OK, since you mentioned it I did that and got 2745 in HBOT Prime which is not too far off from the N5.
As for HTC I agree, since the One X days they have gone pretty far, they are probably best Android manufacturer at Battery/Performance optimization IMO, and Sony is the worst.
My HTC Butterfly (Int DNA) with 2000 mAh battery lasts longer than the Xperia Z (2330 mAh) per charge. Sony Exmor cameras in iPhone and Galaxy S4 perform better than the Z1. At least LG aren't like Sony.
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OK, since you mentioned it I did that and got 2745 in HBOT Prime which is not too far off from the N5.
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So, well, at least it is for me to think over, is it something wrong with my unit or its just my latest ROM with knock code has bad optimization, and it will be improved in future. Or, maybe, my PVS of 3 has to do with too early heating of SoC than yours CPU. Maybe you have PVS of 0 or 1
Blatant admission from HTC employee:
Well, let me reply to a joke by some inside info.
The phone isn't really getting hot. We tried to manipulate the benchmark results by removing the thermal limits when these are running. Others would maybe consider it cheating, but we really just trying to show what this Snapdragon 810 is capable of. That kind of backfired.
We removed the benchmark exception in the final software, so it should not overheat. We also improved some of the algorithms in the camera software in the final software.
I may not be allowed to say this, but I couldn't stand to watch you make all these jokes. The phone doesn't overheat at all without benchmarks. You shouldn't have to wait too long for other reviews than the Dutch one. The embargo should lift on Sunday afternoon (Pacific time)
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http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2zquqo/htc_one_m9_already_on_sale_in_dubai/
Does this mean everything else except overheating numbers from tweakers.net is accurate? All that they did was remove the throttling exception according to him. No kernel optimizations like people were hoping for.
It could certainly explain the drop in single-core and multi-core performance on geekbench.
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Share your thoughts, are you concerned about this "new version" S810 V2.1 and any overheating issues?
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seems none of the phones with SD810 has a satisfactory performance, let alone z3+'s dreadful nightmare..
I feel this will repeat Sony's terror with the Z3+. They felt they "fixed" the problem as well but fell flat on their face.
The only thing that gives me a glimmer of hope is that with the little(big?) bits of bad press about CS and build quality they really WILL try to make this phone different because otherwise their company may be dead in the water, especially since the 1+2 will be at a higher pricepoint than their consumer base is used to. Any failure on their part will be cannibalised by everyone.
Lets hope that Oneplus has right about praising the new revision of 810 . But I am not afraid because there will be hopefully a lot of kernel builders who can also work on possible issues
They're underclocking it a tiny bit and it sounds like they're using a magnesium frame with graphite thermal interface.
Too early to worry about SD810 issues until a sample tested.
I'll be waiting for reviews. Apparently the Z3+ uses the 2.1 revision too so that doesn't give me much hope, but OnePlus's may or may not tame the beast.
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I'll be waiting for reviews. Apparently the Z3+ uses the 2.1 revision too so that doesn't give me much hope, but OnePlus's may or may not tame the beast.
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Xiaomi Note Pro also ran 2.1 and had patents for a "specialized" thermal system especially designed for Snapdragon 810 2.1 -- which fell flat on its face. Runaway thermals.
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Xiaomi Note Pro also ran 2.1 and had patents for a "specialized" thermal system especially designed for Snapdragon 810 2.1 -- which fell flat on its face. Runaway thermals.
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Ouch!! I really hoped that the 1+2's solution (magnesium frame functioning like an additional radiator) was nowhere else to be found...
Well... then I am a lil bit worried and will wait for the first reviews before buying one (I've heard we need AGAIN to jump through hoops and will still need to beg for invites ? )
I'm very worried, if a huge corp like Xiaomi can't get it right, how is a small team like OnePlus going to?
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I'm very worried, if a huge corp like Xiaomi can't get it right, how is a small team like OnePlus going to?
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They wont't. Just like they never fixed yellow bending on 1+1, or touchscreen issues.
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I never had any touchscreen issues, and my yellowing disappeared after a couple of days. I was just disappointed by the washed out low brightness screen and the really bad camera
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I never had any touchscreen issues, and my yellowing disappeared after a couple of days. I was just disappointed by the washed out low brightness screen and the really bad camera
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Probably because you root it and flash custom roms.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ItrVTqKO7k&feature=youtu.be
Very informative video about 810
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I'll be waiting for reviews. Apparently the Z3+ uses the 2.1 revision too so that doesn't give me much hope, but OnePlus's may or may not tame the beast.
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Both revisions are the same ...
AFAIK, they only merge/*add small changes on software level.
The main thing that , 1+ can/will/ or did, is adjust the CPU throttling and maybe add better heat sink(s).
cheers
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Both revisions are the same ...
AFAIK, they only merge/*add small changes on software level.
The main thing that , 1+ can/will/ or did, is adjust the CPU throttling and maybe add better heat sink(s).
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Wrong, there are some hardware changes from v2 and v2.1: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9388/comparing-snapdragon-810-v2-and-v21
The most significant changes is memory bandwidth within the cache of the SoC, which should feed the CPU and GPU better.
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Xiaomi Note Pro also ran 2.1 and had patents for a "specialized" thermal system especially designed for Snapdragon 810 2.1 -- which fell flat on its face. Runaway thermals.
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HTC M9 solved it. They have better thermals than LG G4. See notebookcheck.net reviews for both devices. Not optimal but still maintains better performance than S808.
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Wrong, there are some hardware changes from v2 and v2.1: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9388/comparing-snapdragon-810-v2-and-v21
The most significant changes is memory bandwidth within the cache of the SoC, which should feed the CPU and GPU better.
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Hi
Sorry for the late reply.
No. your wrong, it's all on SW level.
Time will (hopefully) confirm it.
Adjusting throttling, and hotplug / arm SoC policies, has nothing to do with Hardware.
In the mean time, one of my co-workers, got one for reviewing purposes .
USB: Is so damm slow, the type C is just for marketing purposes, it's still cap at 2.x
Front camera: Just...bad
Cpu scalling: slow and not very well optimized
And some other issues concerning this device, i know the software can (will ? ) be improved, but for my standards the device is bad.
I quit this one. And will be giving away my invite.
Cheers
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HTC M9 solved it. They have better thermals than LG G4. See notebookcheck.net reviews for both devices. Not optimal but still maintains better performance than S808.
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I can confirm this. I got an M9 yesterday to replace my S6. I know it sounds weird, but I think of it as an upgrade. The S6 was fast on paper but painfully slow at times during normal usage. App launch time was great, but UI lagginess, awful design and general unresponsiveness lead me to opt for the M9, especially after reading great reports about the latest SW updates.
The 810 in the M9 is cooler than the S6, I can guarantee you. Any semi-intense app on the S6 made the CPU jump to absurd temperatures (80+ degrees C) and the device got extremely hot on the metal frame.
The M9 gets evenly warmish, and CPU management is spot on as it never goes full throttle when doing basic tasks like browsing (unlike some other phones).
To sum it up, I wouldn't worry too much about the S810, it seems to run just fine on the M9.
Touchscreen latency issues seemed to be buried with OP2 completely and OP3 at the beginning. There was one great article regarding OP3 xda-developer article and there was promises for better performance with OPV. If you haven't felt and appreciated the buttery smoothness of a Nexus, a Pixel or a iPhone OPV shouldn't be a problem but faster the better, right? So I don't want a phone with latency like OP2 or 3 did. I hope touch latency isn't a problem with OP5 and if it is I hope the problem doesn't get buried like it did with previous OPes.
Post experiences (and what you have compared it to)!
At least in the initial plethora of reviews all of them said the OP5 had a buttery smooth UI and when some compared it to the S8 said it was smoother. I'm not talking about the contentious bench mark tests either. These reviewers had the OP5 for two weeks before the release having signed a non-disclosure agreement.
Did you not watch the launch stream? There was a segment where they CLEARLY focused on fixing this issue.
This is a big problem, none of the reviewers seems to have focussed on. There is this french review which pegs the lags at 88 ms which IMHO is too high.
http://www.lesnumeriques.com/telephone-portable/oneplus-5-128-go-8-go-ram-p38963/test.html
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Did you not watch the launch stream? There was a segment where they CLEARLY focused on fixing this issue.
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Nitemare3219 said:
Did you not watch the launch stream? There was a segment where they CLEARLY focused on fixing this issue.
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Haven't had time. Should probably have but segment on launch stream isn't good enough for me because we all should know they aren't exactly 100% trustworthy.
Maybe I'm expecting a bit too much and a bit "ruined" because I use mainly my pc that has a 144hz monitor and a good mouse so it has as fast as available response time and I'm comparing phones a bit to that.
I think user amathur2k posted something worth noting. If OP5 truly has 88ms and iPhone 41ms so that's double difference and I'm sure it's meaningful. It's the difference of good and excellent. But now that I've looked up some articles (can't link them - forum's new user restrictions) maybe all devices are worse than I've expected and I'm expecting just too much from my phone.
So OK OnePlus 5 is fine but I want to see something like 10ms (I know i'ts not realistic currently)
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At least in the initial plethora of reviews all of them said the OP5 had a buttery smooth UI and when some compared it to the S8 said it was smoother. I'm not talking about the contentious bench mark tests either. These reviewers had the OP5 for two weeks before the release having signed a non-disclosure agreement.
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Sounds good based on reviews and especially if they say that in comparison to s8 but s8 isn't directly comparable because touchwiz has some "interesting" UI desicions and one of them is ensuring that touches are registered correctly so that escpecially wipes are ensured. I think galaxy does that by doing what for many is excessive smoothing but maybe better for a mainstream product like galaxy. So I think OnePlus is a bit more raw with it's input handling.
What worries me is that exactly the same was said about OnePlus 2 in reviews and especially now that reviewers have written a agreement ( I don't know if it's normal ) there may have been some pressure to say that it's smooth and as they propably haven't directly pressured the hypetrain definitely has.